WRC main class in 2025

[HKSjbg]

Dirtfish has used a bit misleading headline for this. Kalle actually approves the idea about more powerful Rally2 cars.

The Rally2 on steroids would still be enjoyable to watch.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rovan...rally2-switch/

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I would say its also misleading to say ‘Rovanpera actually approves of more powerful Rally2’

The article reads like the question of Rally2 as the top class was put to him and he said no, they would need more power to be exciting enough to watch. I bet if he was specifically asked should Rally2+ replace Rally1 he’d still say no.

[WRCStan]

I bet if he was specifically asked should Rally2+ replace Rally1 he’d still say no.

That was in his answer.

But, if we really wanted to go [with them as the top class in WRC] we...

[Mirek]

The article reads like the question of Rally2 as the top class was put to him and he said no, they would need more power to be exciting enough to watch. I bet if he was specifically asked should Rally2+ replace Rally1 he’d still say no.

More powerful Rally2 will be less reliable -> redesign -> more cost -> two different classes again or more expensive Rally2

Anyway the CE Rally2 are absolutely fine for private teams but useless for the manufacturers because they bring very low marketing value for what they need to promote the most because it costs them hell lot of money and does't sell easily (hybrids and EV).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All this talk about what should be the future top class cars in WRC all stems from the change to the "WRC+" cars in 2017. This then lead on to the Rally1 hybrids from 2022.

In hindsight, both seem to have been a mistake. Very spectacular looking and super-fast, but too expensive and complicated for new manufacturers and private drivers.

The talk of WRC2+ cars for the future makes me think of the 2011-16 WRC cars. These were really all that was needed with enough power, tech and aero to be exciting but also more affordable.

Was there really anything wrong with this sort of action...

https://youtu.be/Q42jT7AsNFE?si=XKxUAeZmPnRhVOlq

[WRCStan]

All this talk about what should be the future top class cars in WRC all stems from the change to the "WRC+" cars in 2017. This then lead on to the Rally1 hybrids from 2022.

In hindsight, both seem to have been a mistake. Very spectacular looking and super-fast, but too expensive and complicated for new manufacturers and private drivers.

The talk of WRC2+ cars for the future makes me think of the 2011-16 WRC cars. These were really all that was needed with enough power, tech and aero to be exciting but also more affordable.

Was there really anything wrong with this sort of action...

https://youtu.be/Q42jT7AsNFE?si=XKxUAeZmPnRhVOlq

Looks good to me but 2016 were much improved on 2011.

Coincidentally you picked highlights of the rally where the winning and third place cars were not entered into the manufacturers.

Looking at same rally entry list you have a lot of privateer RC1 entries without manufacturer support.

Depends on your position if there is a problem or not. I think the rulemakers/promoter saw a problem, amongst other important new things now.

[Mirek]

All this talk about what should be the future top class cars in WRC all stems from the change to the "WRC+" cars in 2017. This then lead on to the Rally1 hybrids from 2022.

In hindsight, both seem to have been a mistake. Very spectacular looking and super-fast, but too expensive and complicated for new manufacturers and private drivers.

The talk of WRC2+ cars for the future makes me think of the 2011-16 WRC cars. These were really all that was needed with enough power, tech and aero to be exciting but also more affordable.

Was there really anything wrong with this sort of action...

https://youtu.be/Q42jT7AsNFE?si=XKxUAeZmPnRhVOlq

Eddie, you can't judge from your fan's point of view. It's not the decisive one. The world is different than in 2011 and what worked for the manufacturers in that time makes no sense for them now.

[wyler]

how's a price comparison between wrc, wrc'17 and rally1?
is it really that much?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, you can't judge from your fan's point of view. It's not the decisive one. The world is different than in 2011 and what worked for the manufacturers in that time makes no sense for them now.

Which Manufacturers ? No new ones have joined the top level for a decade. WRC+ cars saw Citroen pull out, and Rally1 only seems to make sense for two (and a half) makers. And Toyota and Hyundai dont even promote the hybrid element with the word hybrid on their cars.

[Mirek]

Which Manufacturers ? No new ones have joined the top level for a decade. WRC+ cars saw Citroen pull out, and Rally1 only seems to make sense for two (and a half) makers. And Toyota and Hyundai dont even promote the hybrid element with the word hybrid on their cars.

No manufacturer wants 2011 WRC cars, not even the two currently involved. The promoter doesn't want it and FIA also doesn't want it.

Anyway the target of any change in the tech regs MUST be attracting new manufacturers. Everything else is simply wrong in the current situation.

[macebig]

WRC needs to open back the doors to privateer firms. Prodrive has the capability to produce a WRC level car. Help them do it. Oreca can too. Holzer created a Corsa R5. Melvyn Evans did the Proton and the Mitsubishi Mirage. That's 5-6 cars that can definitely work on WRC level with reasonable budget and minimum manufacturer expenses. Even Richards says in the video with Howard Davies posted here that R1s are going nowhere and R2s are the best solution for now. Ben Sulayem should probably stop fiddling around with Liberty and F1 teams and focus on fixing WRC.