Hyundai WRT

[wyler]

Some examples from latest years please?
Just those ones witch are related with his driving style.

oh come on... it's widely acknowledged that his driving style is stressing the car more than others. that doesn't mean he's crash-prone, just that his driving is hard on the car. his career is full of puncture, technical faults or reliability issues that teammates experienced with fewer or zero occurrences.

[cali]

Some examples from latest years please?
Just those ones witch are related with his driving style.

Well he has a point there as in 2018 and 2019 Yaris broke down a lot and Hyundai was very tank-like. Then after his move to HMSG suddenly the i20 started to break down a lot and even in the last season their suspension collapsed and had few more mysterious issues and only with Tänak. I guess his setup and being not easy with the car has to take some of the blame here. But rally is never easy for the car ofc.

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[flat_right]

It's hard to imagine that Huyndai, with all the monies they have thrown at their WRC team (have you seen their service park skyscrapper ?) cannot run 4 cars - just likke every other team. I get the idea of bringing a Mikkelsen-like driver (good n°2 to secure manu points, if not wins) then a sordo-sunninen 3rd pairing (they are pretty complementary on the events they like/dislike), but running a 4th car for young driver of the future would make a lot of sense now that there are enough chassis available. Unless there is no future ...

Then you should try harder It is not even a rumor that they don't have spare parts to run cars. IIRC Oliver tested in Finland for Rally Estonia because they were waiting for parts. So it seems you can have all the money but if your management is not pushing suppliers, then we have this situation.

from his whole carreer?

I don't have the numbers but I think over the past 5-6 years Ott has been one of the most consistent with very few crashes. I can remember Monte, Spain, Australia and in Poland... so this is less than 1 a year. Has someone been better? Maybe Sordo? Considering the speed he can drive, then this is a very good result. So the whole career talk is total BS.

[cali]

Then you should try harder It is not even a rumor that they don't have spare parts to run cars. IIRC Oliver tested in Finland for Rally Estonia because they were waiting for parts. So it seems you can have all the money but if your management is not pushing suppliers, then we have this situation.




I don't have the numbers but I think over the past 5-6 years Ott has been one of the most consistent with very few crashes. I can remember Monte, Spain, Australia and in Poland... so this is less than 1 a year. Has someone been better? Maybe Sordo? Considering the speed he can drive, then this is a very good result. So the whole career talk is total BS.

1. Parts shortage has created by Adamo. What I've heard how on he behaved with suppliers I'm amazed they receive parts at all.
2. See my reply above. It's not about crashes but how his cars are falling apart in general.

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[bandit12]

oh come on... it's widely acknowledged that his driving style is stressing the car more than others. that doesn't mean he's crash-prone, just that his driving is hard on the car. his career is full of puncture, technical faults or reliability issues that teammates experienced with fewer or zero occurrences.

Yeah. With that statement i can agree. I just thought that you meant that he is somehow more crash prone than the others.

[wyler]

Then you should try harder It is not even a rumor that they don't have spare parts to run cars. IIRC Oliver tested in Finland for Rally Estonia because they were waiting for parts. So it seems you can have all the money but if your management is not pushing suppliers, then we have this situation.




I don't have the numbers but I think over the past 5-6 years Ott has been one of the most consistent with very few crashes. I can remember Monte, Spain, Australia and in Poland... so this is less than 1 a year. Has someone been better? Maybe Sordo? Considering the speed he can drive, then this is a very good result. So the whole career talk is total BS.

the only total bs is replying out of topic. it's never been about crashes. it is about stressing the car to technical failure, glitches, and punctures (mostly for broken rim). for his whole career, tanak was the most "unlucky" with this in his team. then one can believe in pure luck, while another starts to think what can cause so many ruptures. remember the classic interview "toyota has to build stronger rims"

[EstWRC]

the only total bs is replying out of topic. it's never been about crashes. it is about stressing the car to technical failure, glitches, and punctures (mostly for broken rim). for his whole career, tanak was the most "unlucky" with this in his team. then one can believe in pure luck, while another starts to think what can cause so many ruptures. remember the classic interview "toyota has to build stronger rims"

Cmon dude. Toyota admitted themselves later that the rims were faulty design and they changed the design later. And Ott wasn’t the only one who had punctures because of that. Meeke was as vocal about that subject

About rim change https://www.wrcwings.tech/2019/08/26...y-deutschland/

What always irritates me is the fact that people talk about 18-19 years like only Tänak had problems with Toyota and other drivers didn’t. From 2019 from top of my head I remember damper problem on rally Argentina or Portugal? And ofc the famous power steering failure on last stage of sardegna and was it 2019 turkey with a electronical problemwhen car just didn’t start anymore? Can we really blame him with the last two issues I mentioned?

Go back and you can see that all of the drivers had problems often.

[wyler]

Cmon dude. Toyota admitted themselves later that the rims were faulty design and they changed the design later. And Ott wasn’t the only one who had punctures because of that. Meeke was as vocal about that subject

About rim change https://www.wrcwings.tech/2019/08/26...y-deutschland/

What always irritates me is the fact that people talk about 18-19 years like only Tänak had problems with Toyota and other drivers didn’t. From 2019 from top of my head I remember damper problem on rally Argentina or Portugal? And ofc the famous power steering failure on last stage of sardegna and was it 2019 turkey with a electronical problemwhen car just didn’t start anymore? Can we really blame him with the last two issues I mentioned?

Go back and you can see that all of the drivers had problems often.

yes. everybody has had problems sooner or later. I'm just saying and it is vastly acknowledged that tanak's driving style is more aggressive on the car than others. then, of course, you can build stronger cars and adjust for it (at least to a certain limit), still, the fact that has this nuance in his driving stays.

[Danny0405]

I'm thinking exactly the same. What if Solberg was dropped because Tänak just decided to leave Hyundai? They know what Neuville delivers but Solberg still needs developing time. So to have any chance in manufactures, they need more experienced drivers.

Personnally, I would think exactly the opposite (but just my opinion)
If Tanak is leaving, we know what happened to Mikkelsen last time he was full-time and he has spent 3 years out of RC1 and don’t know Rally1 cars: I don’t see how Mikkelsen could do better than a 2-3 podium season if full-time considering the competition and he would clearly not be enough against Toyota line-up (and if Breen instead of Mikkelsen, well, just see his current season) all the more than it would imply a 4th driver being a big question mark such as Suninen or Paddon. So for me, if Tanak is leaving, Hyundai has no chance to win the manufacturer title and they should play all on Neuville for WDC and try a bet with a young driver with the hope he can skyrocket (like Solberg, and here they clearly said they want an experienced guy).

Whereas, as a part-time driver with road position advantage, yeah, Mikkelsen or Breen could do a Sordo-like season perhaps so it makes sense to try this.

So IMO, Solberg being dropped should be more a sign of Tanak is staying.
The only other realistic possibility is maybe Hyundai going back to a 2019 strategy with only one full-time driver and 3 or 4 part-time drivers (from 6 to 10 rounds). For example, something with Mikkelsen, Sordo, Suninen and Breen at the same time in the team or why not Loeb who could maybe be a bit fed up with M-Sport reliability (but Hyundai would be more complicated in terms of calendar). But if then, I don’t see the point of «*excluding*» Solberg that early in the process.
So I would still go by Tanak is staying (with Mikkelsen/Sordo in 3rd car and Paddon replacing Suninen as Rally2 lead driver).

[mknight]

we know what happened to Mikkelsen last time he was full-time

He finished 4th in WRC behind Tanak-Neuville-Ogier even while being dropped for multiple rallies (3) and while having no pace in the car on tarmac. Beating Evans (with same number of rallies) as well as Latvala, Meeke and Lappi with 3 more starts. Basically a season rather similar to Evans this year.

Yes it is possible he will do worse now (3 years, Rally1) but also that he will do better (See Loeb in i20 vs Puma and Tanak in old car on tarmac vs new).

On topic:

I'd also say dropping Solberg means it's more likely Tanak is staying.
But there is still a possibility that they want to aim for manu title at all costs because Tanak is leaving reducing their driver title chances. In that case Sordo-Mikkelsen-Suninen (or Evans in one car albeit unlikely) rotating in 2 cars could be a possible strategy.

I'd rate it like 70% for Tanak staying and 30% against.

PS: Find it close to impossible that Hyundai would be interested in hiring Breen for next year (likely would even need to pay him out of his contract).