Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[mknight]

I wonder how much of an improvement you really can get in R5s lately.

Sure todays R5s are something else than first Fiesta R5 all those years ago. But when looking at the very top of the cars that are known to work well there doesn't seem to be much difference.

When Polo came it seemed like a bit of a step up for a moment, but then within 4-6 months over multiple rallies it somehow looked equal to Fabia (Evo) again. Similar with C3 that started good on tarmac and terrible on gravel and now it looks somehow similar to Fabia and Polo. (I purposely avoid I20 which seems to do very well a few times and then terrible next...)

Is it that everyone is closing up to the limit of regulations?

[Mirek]

No but the regulations restrain everyone from bringing groundbraking ideas and also restrain them to bring few larger improvements because the number of jokers is very small. Therefore the development of all cars is mostly about details which make them better but not that much to crush the others.

By the way Mikkelsen may have driven the new ultimate spec Fabia in Monte Carlo (next step is switch to Fabia III).

[Mirek]

According to Mr. Hrabánek Škoda sold already around 370 R5/Rally2 Fabias. He said he would be happy to reach 400 till the end of year.

[RS]

By the way Mikkelsen may have driven the new ultimate spec Fabia in Monte Carlo (next step is switch to Fabia III).

in his Monte vlog, he said at the pre-evemt test it was his first run in the ‘2021 car’

[Andre Oliveira]

[Jarek Z]

Have you heard that there is some guy in France who built a prototype Toyota Yaris Rally2 Kit?
https://rallyandrace.pl/toyota-yaris...PavDJPDZwpBLCk

[Mirek]

It's not a prototype. Everybody can build and homologate Rally2 Kit/R4.

[pantealex]

Have you heard that there is some guy in France who built a prototype Toyota Yaris Rally2 Kit?
https://rallyandrace.pl/toyota-yaris...PavDJPDZwpBLCk

This belongs to "R4 news and results" discussion.

[Sulland]

I wonder how much of an improvement you really can get in R5s lately.

Sure todays R5s are something else than first Fiesta R5 all those years ago. But when looking at the very top of the cars that are known to work well there doesn't seem to be much difference.

When Polo came it seemed like a bit of a step up for a moment, but then within 4-6 months over multiple rallies it somehow looked equal to Fabia (Evo) again. Similar with C3 that started good on tarmac and terrible on gravel and now it looks somehow similar to Fabia and Polo. (I purposely avoid I20 which seems to do very well a few times and then terrible next...)

Is it that everyone is closing up to the limit of regulations?

This is an interresting question.
If you have a R5 from Ford, Skoda, VW or Hyundai that has gotten all upgrades along the way.
How much slower are they than a new Rally2 car woth all their bells and whistles?

My impression is that a top notch driver can still do well in a well maintained Fiesta or Fabia from 2013/14 with all jokers onboard.
Maybe not in WRC, but at least in national/regional series and maybe also in ERC.

That is the best evidence of success of the formula of the R5/Rally2 cars.
Rally3 follows in the same path, and will hopefully be as successful when we look back in 8-10 years.

[RS]

This belongs to "R4 news and results" discussion.

But it’s called Rally2 Kit?