Quote Originally Posted by truefan72 View Post
erm...not sure what you are talking about
the grosjean sainz thing was a marginal racing incidents and more likely Carlos simply turning in with no regard to his surroundings.
I've read through all these posts and tbh none of them have anything to do withe aero or turbulence or whatever.
If that were the case all 20 drivers would be banging into each other demolition derby style
Why is it so hard to accept that in both cases the ferrari drivers were completely at fault?
and due to some suspect race stewardship they both managed to come off easy in effectively punting off their main rival.
If it were the other way around you would be screaming bloody murder not finding some intricate way to apportion blame on aero packaging.
While i do agree that both incidents in france and england were not intentional, it is the severity of the punishment that leaves a lot to be desired.
I think vettel only got a 5sec penalty for france. and Kimi got a 10 second one in silverstone. That is nowhere near sufficient for either of those incidents,
The only conspiracy i see is an unwillingness by the fIA and the race stewards to met out proper punishment in order to manipulate the competition at the top.
I agree with your last point for sure. In both cases room was left and in both cases there was contact. That's all on the over taking driver.

Now to the other point on aero. Can someone explain to me how tactically taking air off an opponents front wing is any different from taking a non traditional line in order to make your opponent go the long way round and not down the inside or forcing them to try and get by on the marbles? All are tactical moves during the race like using a slower car to block your pursuer. There's no contact involved and no running your opponent off the track in any of those cases.

And the one other point on the latest incident. It seems all assume that Kimi understeered because of sudden loss of aero. The other possibility is that he just screwed up and went too deep on relatively cold tires. It does happen you know.