Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[denkimi]

Co-drivers should deserve the same level of attention as drivers do, they have atleast as important job as drivers do but normally they don't get as much of recognition as they deserve.
Hopefully Jared keeps doing what he does and learns to rally with notes aswell. We have a lot of young drivers but new and young co-drivers are always needed to keep the sport alive!

the thing is, if you put ogier next to some other codriver, he will probably still win. if you put ingrassia next to some other driver, they will most likely not win anymore.

no matter how important codrivers are, they will never be as important and thus get the same attention as drivers. but on the other hand, they also don't get the same shit when things go bad.

[Essaj]

the thing is, if you put ogier next to some other codriver, he will probably still win. if you put ingrassia next to some other driver, they will most likely not win anymore.

no matter how important codrivers are, they will never be as important and thus get the same attention as drivers. but on the other hand, they also don't get the same shit when things go bad.

That's also true but Usually when driver wins it's always just "ogier" winning but when crash happens it's always "Ogier and Ingrassia" who made the mistake.
It would be great if co-drivers would get more appreciation for what they do so maybe young kids would be more interested in that field aswell.
Okay I totally agree that it shouldn't be 50-50 as drivers are and will always be the bigger and visual part in the car but co-drivers totally deserve more.
like we saw in last years FIA price givings when Ogier received a big trophy while Ingrassia only got a small one.
Rally has and always will be co-op championship. Drivers will be the big stars but we also need star co-drivers to fill the roles of retiring co-drivers.

[danon]

Red or Blue?

Volkswagen Motorsport - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaCHFcfZBBs

[GravelBen]

Barman - Hi co-driver what would you like
Co-driver - Anything just make it strong and make it a double
Barman - What's wrong ? You really don't seem very happy
Co-driver - I've been calling notes for years and what have I achieved ? What chance do I have now ?
Barman - I don't understand, what's happened
Co-driver - Here read this https://www.star.kiwi/2018/03/co-dri...-rally-winner/

I hear he isn't actually the youngest rally winner in NZ, apparently Hayden Graves won Catlins rally (or was it Dusky? One of the ESCC club rallies anyway) co-driving for his dad (Andrew Graves, who also co-drives as well as driving) at the age of 12.

Great stuff all the same!

[sollitt]

Co-drivers should deserve the same level of attention as drivers do, they have atleast as important job as drivers do ...

There's a fairly obvious flaw in your argument. I wonder if you can spot it.

[N.O.T]

Co-drivers should deserve the same level of attention as drivers do, they have atleast as important job as drivers do but normally they don't get as much of recognition as they deserve.

can you name a co-driver that changed driver and made him world champion ?

Co-drivers are (almost) nothing.

[AnttiL]

Seppo Harjanne, champion first with Timo Salonen in 1985 and then with Tommi Mäkinen in 1996 and 1997, having ”coached” Mäkinen from the group N times in 1990 into a succesful factory driver.

[dupanton]

Co-drivers are (almost) nothing.

NO. Just no

[AnttiL]

I would say the importance of the selection of co-driver is in the mental side, in getting a good team spirit and having good time during the rallies. Also an experienced co-driver can help a younger driver. But co-driver cannot "perform" in the way as a driver can. All he can do is read the pace notes correctly at correct time, make sure the car is at schedule on time control and so on.

[dupanton]

I can't totally agree with that. If course ultimately it is the driver that makes the difference. But as a codriver you have a big influence on the mental side of driver. Some drivers need to be pushed to go fast, others need to be calmed down to stay out of trouble.
On a WRC level the codriver has less influence on that. But on a national level and with less experienced drivers, a codriver can make a huge difference.