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    for me this Ogier-Msport deal is basically done.

    i mean, he wont go to Toyota, Hyundai is full and not interested, Matton will pick up his call and have a chat IF Ogier calls but according to him they dont have the resources to make a fourth car and he wont fire/rotate the young ones, plus the fact that Meeke doesnt want him there.

    This then leaves M-sport for Ogier. Wilson has stated that they are already negotiating(while Matton is waiting the call) and he will do anything to get him and it seems to me that Ogier himself is very interested to work with him. The question now is will anyone suffer? Tänak was promised nr.1 status but that is gone now but it isnt a big suffer if at all. Will Camilli be devoted to Dmack or Evans will lose his Dmack seat because the Dmack car is going for a third car in the main team?

    Time will tell and i dont rule out that in the end he will go to Citroen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    for me this Ogier-Msport deal is basically done.

    Matton will pick up his call and have a chat IF Ogier calls.
    This then leaves M-sport for Ogier. Wilson has stated that they are already negotiating(while Matton is waiting the call).
    I totally agree with you on that point.
    Citroen is acting as if we were talking about Duval whereas Wilson is proactive on the subject.
    Citroen's behavior looks like: "he Will come to us with our conditions because we have the best car". The issue is that Ogier is provint this year that he can beat easily someone with an almost equal car (Hyundai) and he has been better than Latvala and Mikkelsen in the past 4 years.

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    I think it would be best for the sport that Ogier teams up with M sport or Toyota, since they seem to be the weakest teams for now. I really hope Red Bull stays in the WRC, hopefully with M-sport.

    But then there is Mikkelsen and Latvala...

    Interesting times! It's a pitty VW has quit, but it has opened the competition a lot! If not Hyundai nor Citroen gets Ogier, I'm really looking forward to the next season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaCo View Post
    I think it would be best for the sport that Ogier teams up with M sport or Toyota, since they seem to be the weakest teams for now. I really hope Red Bull stays in the WRC, hopefully with M-sport.
    That would be ideal. More than anything, I want Ogier to not be the-best-driver-in-the-best-car-dominating-everything again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    for me this Ogier-Msport deal is basically done.

    i mean, he wont go to Toyota, Hyundai is full and not interested, Matton will pick up his call and have a chat IF Ogier calls but according to him they dont have the resources to make a fourth car and he wont fire/rotate the young ones, plus the fact that Meeke doesnt want him there.

    This then leaves M-sport for Ogier. Wilson has stated that they are already negotiating(while Matton is waiting the call) and he will do anything to get him and it seems to me that Ogier himself is very interested to work with him. The question now is will anyone suffer? Tänak was promised nr.1 status but that is gone now but it isnt a big suffer if at all. Will Camilli be devoted to Dmack or Evans will lose his Dmack seat because the Dmack car is going for a third car in the main team?

    Time will tell and i dont rule out that in the end he will go to Citroen.
    If M-Sport somehow manages to find the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    If M-Sport somehow manages to find the money.
    I don't think it would be a money issue, because for sure he'll get paid by VW for stepping away from the sport and leaving him without a seat so late in the season.

    Apart from that, I'd bet Red Bull would take on the bills if he's going to drive for M-Sport.
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    He isn't going to drive for free just because he likes Wilson. Let's see but I am quite sure that money is what Wilson is now trying to sort out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    He isn't going to drive for free just because he likes Wilson. Let's see but I am quite sure that money is what Wilson is now trying to sort out.
    I didn't say he'd drive for free. But, if for example he wants 6 Millions a year and VW gives him 3 as contract buyout, M-Sport would only have to find 3 Millions. And don't you think Red Bull won't pay that sum to place its stickers on the Fiesta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsgrafica View Post
    I don't think it would be a money issue, because for sure he'll get paid by VW for stepping away from the sport and leaving him without a seat so late in the season.

    Apart from that, I'd bet Red Bull would take on the bills if he's going to drive for M-Sport.
    I think Mirek means, the money for developing the car and team through the season at the same level as Citroën and Hyundai.

    But I personally think the Ogier/M-Sport deal will happen and I also - like you - think it's gonna be in Red Bull colours. Red Bull will see this in the same way Marlboro saw the Schumacher deal with Ferrari in 1996 and switched their sponsorship from McLaren to Ferrari. And this is because of what the fans will follow, and they will follow that combi.

    Apart from that, I hope nobody believes Matton when he's saying he hasn't got the car for Ogier. That's not Mattons call, that's Linda Jackson's call. If Ogier signs for Citroën you can bet he will have whatever he's asking for, no matter what Matton says. He can have the C3 as team leader from the word "Go" in Monte...

    On a personal note, I have never been a fan of M-Sport or Ford or Malcom Wilson. And after 2011 I was done being an Ogier fan. But yet I would absolutely love and cheer for the combi of Ford+Ogier+M-Sport because it simply would be an amazing challenge that would spice up the championship like not seen in many many years. It would also change my view on Ogier from being arrogant, to being a real man taking a seriously difficult challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeD View Post
    I think Mirek means, the money for developing the car and team through the season at the same level as Citroën and Hyundai.
    Exactly! This is were M-Sport have fallen down in the last few years; money - not enough of it to develop, and pay for a top driver!! To get Ogier, and stay competitive, they're going to need a large budget - something they've not had for years. There doesn't seem to be any noise regarding the return of Ford...I suspect WorldRX is enough for them to promote the RS brand.

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