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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    maybe Ogier could have been faster, or maybe not.
    On Saturday's morning loop he lost already over a minute to Latvala without single mistake, that's when he gave up the fight. I can very well understand his frustration.

    I agree 100% with your points, including the ones in which the leading driver can have advantage on some conditions, this is not fair also for the rest of the drivers and even more to the spectators.
    There is no perfect solution, QS also, but is close to it in terms of driver to driver fair competition and excitement for the spectators. Yes, Ogier can still win almost every QS, though it is questionable on loose gravel as he will run first through it and again will be disadvantaged to choose his road position, but not that extremely disadvantaged.
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    FIA handed over a win to Latvala to shake the tree.
    Nice and consistent drive though, good for JML's confidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Again, how do You know?
    It´s my thoughts compared what Mads said. Don´t think he is slower than Sordo or Paddon on gravel. Other reasons must play a role. But it´s not scientificly proved. (Only that when people jelling a sentence enough many times it tend to be truth - in this case (Mads speed) it´s not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by b3637853 View Post
    People assume Fiesta is the slowest because for years there wasn't a fast driver behind the wheel. Kubica showed that you can win stages in Fiesta even without manufacturer's backup. I am sure Ogier would win rallies in Ford.
    How do you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchonen View Post
    Talking about QS and road position. It all comes to one word, dominance. We all were witnesses of what happens when one person dominance to much. All those Loebs years caused preety big damage to WRC. Losing factories, less and less followers. And FIA knows that they can't let anyone to dominate WRC too much, cause it is going to be same story again. Well now we have more or less VW dominance which is not perfect but still better than Ogier winning everything he can.

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    Its not for the FiA or promoters to 'even things up' - it's up to the other teams/ drivers to catch up. Motorsport series seem to have a major problem with dominance. Other sports put up with it.

    Latvala drove well, but in all honesty it was a pyrrhic victory - as his main opponent was severely handicapped by running first for 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    How do you know?
    If Kubica can win stages with it then faster and more consistent driver like Ogier would win rallies with Fiesta. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    Its not for the FiA or promoters to 'even things up' - it's up to the other teams/ drivers to catch up. Motorsport series seem to have a major problem with dominance. Other sports put up with it.

    Latvala drove well, but in all honesty it was a pyrrhic victory - as his main opponent was severely handicapped by running first for 2 days.
    Have some reservations over whether this was a 'pyrrhic victory'.
    This was at no cost to either Latvala's or Ogier's ability to remain competitive (winning despite heavy losses outwieghing the loser is the definition).
    Ogier ended the rally with JML having only made a 6 point dent in his championship lead. This was a champion's performance from Ogier, make no mistake. Road position was all, yet only Latvala had the speed / Polo to mount a credible challenge. Given the stats is the wise strategy to try to slug it out or to ensure you take second place and max Powerstage points. If Latvala had really been closer in the points tally I believe we'd have seen a bigger response from Ogier. Even if the pattern is repeated in Argentina and Portugal (which would require a step up in consistency from JML) that still leaves Ogier leading by 38 points going into rallies that he has won from the front in recent times.
    So Latvala has shown he really is the only competition for Ogier but will find it tougher the nearer he gets to Ogier in the points. As for Mikkelsen, he should have been a comfortable 3rd - that he failed to do says much about his lack of genuine title credentials. Given VW's research on altitude mapping it is no surprise the Polo was outstanding, looks like Hyundai are improving though.
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    Rally Wrc Mexicooo 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchonen View Post
    Talking about QS and road position. It all comes to one word, dominance. We all were witnesses of what happens when one person dominance to much. All those Loebs years caused preety big damage to WRC. Losing factories, less and less followers. And FIA knows that they can't let anyone to dominate WRC too much, cause it is going to be same story again. Well now we have more or less VW dominance which is not perfect but still better than Ogier winning everything he can.

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    WRC didn't lose manufacturers because of Loeb. They lost them because of FIA constantly changing the rules, the economic crisis, bad coverage, different corporate directions, their own inability and also going with rallies where there was little point going to (Jordan jumps into mind). Also, yes, some fans lost interest with Loeb winning everything, but that was just part of the story in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1 View Post
    Sordo given 2 minute penalty. Sordo used 29 tyres where the limit is 28. News from service park here in Mexico.
    So Mads up to 3rd... another payoff for a steady drive and no mistakes !

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