Where does Nico Rosberg go from here?

[Nitrodaze]

I have been searching for footage from the camera on Hamilton's car to find out whether his actions at the first turn of Austin was intentional, the video clip on this article from Martin Brundle was the clearest l have found:-

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/240...top-in-america

From the look of this, Hamilton did not shove Rosberg of the track on purpose, he simply did not have any grip at the apex of the corner. He turned the steering wheel but the car continued on a wider arch than he intended. This would explain why the stewards took no punitive action. It was simply a racing incident, nothing more.

[Bagwan]

I have been searching for footage from the camera on Hamilton's car to find out whether his actions at the first turn of Austin was intentional, the video clip on this article from Martin Brundle was the clearest l have found:-

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/240...top-in-america

From the look of this, Hamilton did not shove Rosberg of the track on purpose, he simply did not have any grip at the apex of the corner. He turned the steering wheel but the car continued on a wider arch than he intended. This would explain why the stewards took no punitive action. It was simply a race incident, nothing more.

Lewis said it was his corner because he was inside , so , essentially , he was saying he had no intention of leaving room .
Perhaps the steering input was there because he didn't expect Nico to stick it around the outside , but Lewis sliding into him was based in his belief that he owned it already .

And , that isn't right , simply because Nico was able to put his car there .
That's why there's a rule that says you need to leave room .

Maybe it would be better worded as having the drivers be able to leave room , but not necessarily do it .
That way , if Lewis had , in fact , intimidated Nico enough to get him to back out , he could take the space , but if he's still there , he'd need to be able to leave room .

Kimi avoided a penalty today , with broken suspension , but I think we would have heard it again that he didn't leave Bottas any space .

[Mia 01]

That punk Bottas gave Kimi and Nico the answer yesterday, what a load of double standars among the stewards. I´m still furious!!!

[Nitrodaze]

Lewis said it was his corner because he was inside , so , essentially , he was saying he had no intention of leaving room .
Perhaps the steering input was there because he didn't expect Nico to stick it around the outside , but Lewis sliding into him was based in his belief that he owned it already .

And , that isn't right , simply because Nico was able to put his car there .
That's why there's a rule that says you need to leave room .

Maybe it would be better worded as having the drivers be able to leave room , but not necessarily do it .
That way , if Lewis had , in fact , intimidated Nico enough to get him to back out , he could take the space , but if he's still there , he'd need to be able to leave room .

Kimi avoided a penalty today , with broken suspension , but I think we would have heard it again that he didn't leave Bottas any space .

The facts are clear, but clearly you have a thing with Hamilton so you are not likely to accept the facts even as clear as they are. Try to get over it buddy. Mexico was great for Rosberg so you can take some comfort from that.

[The Black Knight]

Well, seems like Nico has landed back on his feet pretty nicely.

I tried searching for footage of Verstappen and Kimi but any footage I saw of the two in Austin doesn't have Max shoving Kimi out onto the kerbs so I can't add an opinion to what Kimi said.

As for Lewis, the first corners incident was racing and it's just being used by some people to bash a truly terrific racing driver. Moving on now... Brazil next!

[Bagwan]

The facts are clear, but clearly you have a thing with Hamilton so you are not likely to accept the facts even as clear as they are. Try to get over it buddy. Mexico was great for Rosberg so you can take some comfort from that.

How come you aren't accusing me of being hard on Kimi , too ?
He was an idiot for not leaving any room for a guy who had a wheel on his sidepod , and all and sundry seem to agree that because he knew he was there , he shouldn't have expected him to disappear .

The same idiot was penalized for not leaving any room a couple of races ago .


But when I question Lewis on the same count , with Nico being expected to disappear , I'm met not with debate , but rather with condescending remarks .
If I have a "thing" with Hamilton , then I think it fair to say that you do as well .

But your "thing" is different .

[Bagwan]

Well, seems like Nico has landed back on his feet pretty nicely.

I tried searching for footage of Verstappen and Kimi but any footage I saw of the two in Austin doesn't have Max shoving Kimi out onto the kerbs so I can't add an opinion to what Kimi said.

As for Lewis, the first corners incident was racing and it's just being used by some people to bash a truly terrific racing driver. Moving on now... Brazil next!

Kimi was asking if it's ok to push people up on the curbs if they are right beside you .

He was told that you need to leave space .
Whether Max did or didn't is almost irrelevant , really .

Is it ok or not ?

[Nitrodaze]

How come you aren't accusing me of being hard on Kimi , too ?
He was an idiot for not leaving any room for a guy who had a wheel on his sidepod , and all and sundry seem to agree that because he knew he was there , he shouldn't have expected him to disappear .

The same idiot was penalized for not leaving any room a couple of races ago .


But when I question Lewis on the same count , with Nico being expected to disappear , I'm met not with debate , but rather with condescending remarks .
If I have a "thing" with Hamilton , then I think it fair to say that you do as well .

But your "thing" is different .

Sorry buddy, no attempt on my side to be condescending to you. I like to go with facts. I would take issue with Hamilton if l thought for a second that he was wrong. As l would do with any driver on the F1 grid. I think you should try to support your arguments with some facts and l shall be the first to agree with you.

As far as the Kimi issue goes, there are two points to Kimi's question; one was to do with the maneuver that young Verstapenn pulled on Kimi that forced him off the track. Second, was his [Kimi's] maneuver on Bottas that took out of the race and a 3rd place podium position.

I have not seen the Verstapenn incident, hence l have not commented on it. I did see the Bottas incident and that was an over-ambitous move by Kimi. A rookie type move which he was duly penalized for.

Now there are two scenarios to being forced off track; the action was intentional or it was not intentional. Non-intentional counts for situations where the offending driver had little or no control on the situation that resulted in the other driver being forced off the track. The video evidence that l provided seem to show that Hamilton was making an effort to turn into the corner and as such leave some room.
The other scenario which is what the stewards are ruling against; is where the action is intentional. That's where the driver has full control of the direction of the car but can be seen to take visible action to push the other driver off the track. If the Verstapenn incident fall under this category, l would not know as l have not researched it. But Kimi's action at Mexico on Bottas fall under this category.

I hope this clears things up for you. And l don't have a thing for Hamilton. He is a brilliant racer and triple world champion, that is someone that one cannot help admiring.

[henners88]

Kimi got his answer yesterday and it all depends whether the driver you are pushing is willing to yield. Bottas could have driven off the circuit like Nico did but didn't and that is fine by me. Every incident is different too.

[The Black Knight]

Kimi was asking if it's ok to push people up on the curbs if they are right beside you .

He was told that you need to leave space .
Whether Max did or didn't is almost irrelevant , really .

Is it ok or not ?

I hear what you're saying Bagwan but every incident is different so one rule doesn't fit all, unfortunately.

In the case of Lewis and Nico, Nico could have just as easily backed off and kept second as easily as Lewis could have not given him room. Take Lewis at the start of the Mexico GP, he knew he couldn't get Rosberg around the outside so he didn't even attempt it even though they were alongside again. Rosberg could have done the smart thing Lewis did and backed out too in Austin.

As for Kimi, because very situation is different I can't say e.g. if I have momentum towards the outer-line and the other driver blindly and knowingly tries to go around me, why should I lift off? On the other hand, should I change my chosen entry line to intentionally push someone wide is different again, so we can't just apply one rule and say that it applies to every situation.

This is why I think that applying rules to overtaking maneuvers is so futile, much like track limit boundaries. All scenarios can never be fully encapsulated by a rule or set of rules because every incident is different.