New R4 Car - Think Tank

[AdvEvo]

If you want a new 4wd car you need to digg deep into your pockets for an r5. 200k plus and add some maintenance costs.

4wd rally has never been cheaper

[Gordini]

What is price of these cars?

Teemu/Rallirinki.net retweeted Jack Hintz ‏@rallymadmedia 14h14 hours ago
This looks familiar...excited that it has been revealed!



This is probably a part of the progress.

Bigger pick.

[OldF]

New R4 in the far future. Could it be this MotorsportMonday (page 94)? Probably it’s very similar to this one. Google translated Finnish section Mitsubishi Colt Evo - Build info. The Polish replica use the Kaps sequential gearbox but as said in the Google translation the gearbox is a H-pattern dog box with an Ikeaya Formula sequantial shifter because it’s a poor man’s option (=persaukisen).

Btw, it seems that the Maxi Rally Car formula isn’t as free as I though it is.

http://www.rally.com.au/arc-news/what-is-a-maxi-car-qaa

The cars all use a standard design safety cage together with control front and rear sub-frames, wishbones, hubs & uprights and are fitted to series production car body shells.

http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...axi-rally-cars

The suspension geometry and cross members are the same between each car, so effectively you can buy a “kit” from someone like Barattero, pick a body shell, then slice and dice the chosen car to accept all the parts. About the only thing that varies between them, other than appearance, is the wheel-base.

Maxi Rally Car spare parts from Baratec.
http://www.baratec-rally.com.ar/bajar/catalogo_ing.pdf

Gearbox sequential kit is from Modena Engineering.

Here are the specific regulations for Maxi Rally cars in Spanish
http://www.cdaaca.org.ar/be/%5Cadjun...6201417921.pdf

And Google translated
https://translate.google.com/transla....pdf&edit-text=

It looks pretty much the same as the S2000 specific regulations but section 5.3, paragraph h) and i) are not in the S2000 Regulations.

h) Front axle:
The same should be done according to the plan contained in the homologation respecting all
dimensions in the plane. (See homologation each illustrative diagram).
Installation of the front axle shall be effected in compliance with the dimensions and measurements shown in Alternative Kit "Maxi Rally".
i) Rear axle:
The same should be done according to the plan contained in the homologation respecting all
dimensions in the plane. (See homologation each illustrative diagram).
Installation of the front axle shall be effected in compliance with the dimensions and measurements shown in Alternative Kit "Maxi Rally"

What I also like is the max track instead of max body shell width.

[Sulland]

Yes, maybe the Polish option, that build on different shells could be a good option.

or maybe a RWD class ala the Touring Car class?
at least it will be fun to watch, and many drivers love RWD!!

[OldF]

What will it be this time? Something similar as maxi rally cars?

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=63e13dd9-0e32-4111-b2cd-3b2d5bf4e4df

Page 97

…and creating a new R4 kit category aimed at providing a budget-friendly four-wheel-drive category whose costs and performance lie between R3 and R5 cars.

[Rally Power]

…and creating a new R4 kit category aimed at providing a budget-friendly four-wheel-drive category whose costs and performance lie between R3 and R5 cars.

Are they serious? Why bother to sort a new 4wd category if they can’t manage to impose cost limits? R5 is growing up steadily, so why this sudden need to destabilize the market?

FIA just need to promote a sort of a pact with the involved manus in order to prevent R5 cars to get even more costly, assuring regs stability (to allow larger volume of sales) and ease up homologation methods (aiming private tuners to built them).

Only after that, and if manus persist reluctant to get their profit margins down, it'd be time to think on a new category.

[skarderud]

It should be easier to make the subaru's and Mitsubishi's (N4/R4/VR4's) good enough to fight with the R5's.

[Mirek]

I don't agree. There is no point in trying to help a dying man to run faster. Lancers are dead. No new model is planned by Mitsubishi and the last widely used Subaru on rally stages is not even from previous generation of the car! No manufacturers are interested in gr.N anymore. That's it.

On the other hand in my opinion R5 is enough. If they come again with something "cheaper" they will only make R5 more expensive. They shall concentrate on keeping an eye on R5. The formula isn't that bad and the mechanisms to drive the cost are set. It's about observing and enforcing them.

[Rally Power]

It should be easier to make the subaru's and Mitsubishi's (N4/R4/VR4's) good enough to fight with the R5's.

R4 was the opportunity to do so, but FIA miss it by putting aside larger restrictor and seq gearbox. Somehow it was understandable, because then R4 would match S2000 (and the coming R5) for a fraction of the cost, making harder for manus to get involved in R5 and turning national rally fields into a sort of endless Impreza's trophy...

Something similar can happen if FIA decides to introduce another 4wd rally formula, putting R5 growing at risk. FIA must also consider the continuous cutoff of second level categories (S2000, R4 and, in a near future, RRC), because the sport needs regs stability and R5 cost handicap can be diminish with proper pressure over manus.

[PLuto]

The idea of FIA is to make a rule, which allow to make a "kit", which you should be able to use in different cars...