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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I said: never compare what they did with 2wd. Never ever said Abbring was slower than Lefevre either. Just pointing there are others too. Not only that Mr Abbring even though I´m curious what he can do with decent drives during 2015.
    So why have You said that when You haven't referred to Lefebvre? He is the only one from Your list who was beaten in a straight fight by Abbring only in 2WD. There was nothing else anyhow connected to Abbring's 2WD performance in the whole discussion. I don't understand Your point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    He was very clearly faster then them. His car let him down every time but it was clear he is faster and he wasn't crashing as well. The managers of big teams are not blind...
    Not every time, but most of the time vs Kajetanowicz and only in Barum the difference was pretty big:
    Acropolis Rally 2014, ss4, Abbring, Kajto +15.3
    Sata Rallye Açores 2014, ss3, Kajto, Abbring +2.6
    Barum Czech Rally Zlín 2014, ss3, Abbring, Kajto +40.4
    Rallye du Valais 2014, ss3, Abbring, Kajto +11.7
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    Abbring on ERC 2014 before problems

    Acropolis: SS4 before engine problem (1. Abbring; 2. Breen +05,8; 3. Kajetanowicz +15,3)
    Ireland: SS5 before small off and engine problem on SS6 (1. Lappi; 2. Abbrib +07,7; 3. Breen +09,1)
    Açores: SS9 before powersteering problem (1. Abbring; 2. Breen +31,3; 3. Sousa +38,4)
    Ypres: SS13 before engine problem (1. Abbring; 2. Loix +20,9; 3. Cherain +1:26,9)
    Barum: SS3 before engine problem (1. Abbring; 2. Lappi +10,5; 3. Breen +11,8)
    Valais: SS2 before clutch problem (1. Abbring; 2. Wiegand +02,3; 3. Kajetanowicz +03,7)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    So why have You said that when You haven't referred to Lefebvre? He is the only one from Your list who was beaten in a straight fight by Abbring only in 2WD. There was nothing else anyhow connected to Abbring's 2WD performance in the whole discussion. I don't understand Your point...
    Never mind. Abbring will be good. Only that too much speculations only on him. Gets an unbalanced view of current drivers without seats. And be careful of judging drivers who only does fast times on specific stages. They have to reach finish in rallies as well.
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    I agree with You however I'm quite sure Abbring would finish a lot of rallies if the car was capable of doing so Abbring has never been a crash-prone driver. You can check his ewrc profile. There are only 3 accidents in 75 starts listed as a reason for retirement: http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?...=Kevin-Abbring

    Anyway let's see what the future brings. He sure deserves a chance. If he can adapt to the WRC car is another question and only time will bring the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Never mind. Abbring will be good. Only that too much speculations only on him. Gets an unbalanced view of current drivers without seats. And be careful of judging drivers who only does fast times on specific stages. They have to reach finish in rallies as well.
    Who are those drivers who do fast time on specific stages only?

    @Mirek, Abbring didn't have his 4WD debut in Wales 2011, and Lefebvre didn't have it in Wales 2014 either (Catalunya). Abbring did some national events (tarmac, but with sandy gravel sactions) with Subaru Group N before.

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    Might Abbring be getting some Hyundai outings? Bouffier is no longer with the team, looks like neither is Hänninen and Paddon is in for only 9 rounds. If Hyundai are (are they?) going to run the third car in all events besides Monte Carlo, there seems to be some openings for a driver like Abbring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    Who are those drivers who do fast time on specific stages only?

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    We already rounded up our discussion on Abbring, me and Mirek, but as you probably understand I meant Kevin Abbring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [WRCRR] View Post
    Might Abbring be getting some Hyundai outings? Bouffier is no longer with the team, looks like neither is Hänninen and Paddon is in for only 9 rounds. If Hyundai are (are they?) going to run the third car in all events besides Monte Carlo, there seems to be some openings for a driver like Abbring...
    It's Paddon in the third car everywhere except Monte...

    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/janua...2--12-12-.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom206wrc View Post
    I hope it'll be a DS3 WRC for Abbring
    I hope it will be a VW Polo WRC for Abbring
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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