[WRC] News & rumours (part III)

**Jack4688`** · 31st October 2014, 20:02

Originally Posted by Mirek

It's not the rules what makes the car small. You can make a Mondeo WRC if You like. The rules allow it. The problem is that Your car will be useless. The first reason why all use same size of cars is that it works.

But if the minimum length of the car was increased then surely we'd see bigger cars and a potential for more variety. I'm sure someone will show dimensions of a GT86 which will prove me wrong though

I'm all for the R5s being this size of car because it seems appropriate for the level below WRC. Also when you think of it at that level it easier to appreciate the look of the cars - the Fabia S2000 and R5 both look very impressive to me and the Fiesta in S2000, RRC, WRC and R5 forms doesn't look too bad either.

Originally Posted by Mirek

Second point is that marketing guys of the big car makers want to promote what they sell the most. I seriously doubt Toyota makes any reasonable profit out of GT-86. That's more an image-maker than a bestseller. On the other hand they sell millions of Yaris.

I certainly can't argue with that but with the WRC in the state it's in these little cars don't do the championship any favours. Maybe we need to see WRC versions of these image-makers or 'halo cars' because whatever car you are using, motorsport success reflects well on the car company as a whole.

Does grandma really need to see a car similar in appearance to hers winning the Monte? Or does the championship need to engage the fans with an exciting product? An exciting product that can be more easily promoted (unless the promoter happens to be a group of incompetent, feckless, mentally challenged imbeciles who will f**k up even the easiest of jobs)

**stefanvv** · 31st October 2014, 22:13

Originally Posted by Jack4688`

I read that in Autosport a few months ago but I think D segment is too far - a Passat or Mondeo WRC would look ridiculous... and not in a good way! I think C segment cars would look just right - Peugeot 308, Audi S3 (I can only dream) and maybe a few odballs like GT86 and Scirocco.

Well I didn't mean segment D per ce, I know it is as ridiculous as it sounds, never going to happen, just the idea of bigger cars. That was mentioned in autosport, true.

**Mirek** · 1st November 2014, 12:05

Originally Posted by Jack4688`

But if the minimum length of the car was increased then surely we'd see bigger cars and a potential for more variety. I'm sure someone will show dimensions of a GT86 which will prove me wrong though

So You would like to make this change by regulation? Why? I personally prefer to have regulations as free as possible and if in the end competitors come to similar result than ok, maybe we can think about changing regs to bring more variety but what variety You bring by changing minimal size? The only difference will be that instead of all being 3,95 meters long they all will be 4,20 for example. Maybe it changes something for You but for me it's a change just for the sake of changing something. IMHO rules shall encourage manufacturers to use different approaches instead.

**janvanvurpa** · 1st November 2014, 17:00

Originally Posted by pantealex

Bigger cars with 15" (gravel)wheels, forget it!!!

**Jack4688`** · 2nd November 2014, 11:08

Originally Posted by Mirek

So You would like to make this change by regulation? Why? I personally prefer to have regulations as free as possible and if in the end competitors come to similar result than ok, maybe we can think about changing regs to bring more variety but what variety You bring by changing minimal size? The only difference will be that instead of all being 3,95 meters long they all will be 4,20 for example. Maybe it changes something for You but for me it's a change just for the sake of changing something. IMHO rules shall encourage manufacturers to use different approaches instead.

True, they'd probably all settle for the same size car again but at least it would get rid of these shopping trolleys that we see these days. How do rules that 'encourage' manufacturers to do something work? We all know in motorsport the teams will do up to what is allowed to get the best performance out of their car. Encouraging a manufacturer to do something will only be met with a polite "thanks, but no thanks".

I fear that the only way the cars could be made more interesting and, crucially, less homogenised would be through the use of a more complicated rule set. Remember all the different connotations involved in the Group B rules? Not an ideal solution...

**bluuford** · 2nd November 2014, 12:57

Well.. I like to see fast cars. And when those shopping trollyes are potentially the fastest cars, then that is it. Do not insult cars because of their size ;-)!