Hyundai WRT

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Originally Posted by deephouse

And here we go again. Why would rulemakers even bother listen to them, if they will leave anyway, no matter what rule will be changed, just because of them. They threat now for so long. If there is really interest from manufacturers and tuners for 2027, I think that they should not change anything. And Hyundai, we are sick of complaining. Just go already and ashame yourself even in WEC, I bet Toyota and all others will beat them there too.

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I don't like it either. Who knows how many years the rumors have been around about Hyundai leaving—yet there's still no confirmation, and they keep demanding that the rules go their way.

and what if they are right instead? in the end, it's the manufactures that bring money and value to the championship. a privateer run main class in 2027 could send the wrc down the sink...

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Originally Posted by wyler

and what if they are right instead? in the end, it's the manufactures that bring money and value to the championship. a privateer run main class in 2027 could send the wrc down the sink...

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I agree. I just dont see a viable WRC without Manufacturers. It's never been done before so it's got to be questionable how it could now. I'd love to know who the 'tuners' are that are interested and whose car bodywork they are going to fit to the chassis ?

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I agree. I just dont see a viable WRC without Manufacturers. It's never been done before so it's got to be questionable how it could now. I'd love to know who the 'tuners' are that are interested and whose car bodywork they are going to fit to the chassis ?

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I well remember WRC after 2008-2009, when both Subaru and Suzuki pulled off, but eventually with the 1600 WRC cars it recovered very well.

It was the same story, high costs, low return of investment etc, but eventually WRC was able to rise back from its ashes. Let the Phoenix cook once again, if there's serious tuners (Prodrive or something like that I suppose?) or Manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I agree. I just dont see a viable WRC without Manufacturers. It's never been done before so it's got to be questionable how it could now. I'd love to know who the 'tuners' are that are interested and whose car bodywork they are going to fit to the chassis ?

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It was common in 60-70-80-90's.
Most semi-private, tuners and importers.
But it was buyable roadcars they tuned and raced.

A spaceframe formula without a manufacturer involvment is just a set of rules away.
If its anyone interested to build and race them we don't know.

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Originally Posted by skarderud

It was common in 60-70-80-90's.
Most semi-private, tuners and importers.
But it was buyable roadcars they tuned and raced.

A spaceframe formula without a manufacturer involvment is just a set of rules away.
If its anyone interested to build and race them we don't know.

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but we have a big hint from the erc... it's barely working at that level...
(I mean, no real team involved (official or private), not many drivers doing the entire championship, not even the tyres company -mrf aside- are making pr/marketing from it...)

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Originally Posted by typhoon

I well remember WRC after 2008-2009, when both Subaru and Suzuki pulled off, but eventually with the 1600 WRC cars it recovered very well.

It was the same story, high costs, low return of investment etc, but eventually WRC was able to rise back from its ashes. Let the Phoenix cook once again, if there's serious tuners (Prodrive or something like that I suppose?) or Manufacturers.

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true, but still 1600 wrc was a top class for manufactures, and privateers were using their cars also.
i agree that something similar to that era could work in term of tech reg...

In the earlier decades private teams used Manufacturers cars, they didn't make them from scratch. I can only think of one which was Prodrive and the Mini that I dont think was a factory car.

It's not even easy to get sponsors for WRC1. M-Sport as the only 'tuner' has struggled for years and only certain drivers bringing Red Bull has kept them viable.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

In the earlier decades private teams used Manufacturers cars, they didn't make them from scratch. I can only think of one which was Prodrive and the Mini that I dont think was a factory car.

It's not even easy to get sponsors for WRC1. M-Sport as the only 'tuner' has struggled for years and only certain drivers bringing Red Bull has kept them viable.

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Red Bull sponsor M-Sport because of Ford, not becauseo of drivers.....

I assumed Red Bull sponsored Ford so that the WRC product that they own doesn't lose its World Championship status and disappear completely.

What about Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Castrol they had on their cars. They can attract sponsors but, sponsors require some results. And with drivers not able to achieve anything, sponsors will be gone. I know that with results come also big paycheck for drivers, but when the situation with not enough seats, those who think that they deserve that much as Ogier, should lower their standards. They still earn more than normal mortal could ever earn.

I was quite surprised that Red Bull even stick with M-Sport (probably because F1-Ford future connection). Usualy they go with champions and champion winning machines. And interesting that they are not on Toyota, because when they came back, they straight away start winning.

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Originally Posted by deephouse

What about Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Castrol they had on their cars. They can attract sponsors but, sponsors require some results. And with drivers not able to achieve anything, sponsors will be gone. I know that with results come also big paycheck for drivers, but when the situation with not enough seats, those who think that they deserve that much as Ogier, should lower their standards. They still earn more than normal mortal could ever earn.

I was quite surprised that Red Bull even stick with M-Sport (probably because F1-Ford future connection). Usualy they go with champions and champion winning machines. And interesting that they are not on Toyota, because when they came back, they straight away start winning.

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Red Bull is part owner of the promoter. It's of their interest that M-Sport stays afloat.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

In the earlier decades private teams used Manufacturers cars, they didn't make them from scratch. I can only think of one which was Prodrive and the Mini that I dont think was a factory car.

It's not even easy to get sponsors for WRC1. M-Sport as the only 'tuner' has struggled for years and only certain drivers bringing Red Bull has kept them viable.

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Same was Subaru with Prodrive, maybe tuners getting some backing from a partner Manufacturer would ease the budget effort of the Manufacturers itself, but it could help out filling the entries with top-class cars?

I think that tuners like M-Sport (with all their difficulties) or Prodrive (which I think they learned from their mistakes with the Mini JCW) would bring good value together with manufacturers like Toyota and maybe any between Skoda and Stellantis, whatever brand they'll select to get back if it's their goal.

Sometimes a good shuffle can be a positive.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

In the earlier decades private teams used Manufacturers cars, they didn't make them from scratch. I can only think of one which was Prodrive and the Mini that I dont think was a factory car.

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Heading off topic, but Ralliart? Eventually got bought out by Mitsubishi.

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Originally Posted by WRCStan

Heading off topic

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Hyundai Mk 1? That was MSD.

what TURNERS actually mean? can I build the spaceframe and add some body pannels resembling a Chevy Sonic and compete? how the homologation thing works for Turners? or I have to choose between a few avaliable homologated bodies? (Puma, Yaris, Skoda, i20...?)