Tanak sideways on SD:
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Tanak sideways on SD:
https://twitter.com/El_Risson/status...01919118987271
Based on the shakedown, Ott has found something to make the Hyundai work for him.
In a tarmac rally like Croatia or Tour de Corse, most of the corners are "mid-speed", finding the limit of the grip and trying to go as fast as possible within that. In Ypres, there will be lots of tight handbrake turns and lots of flat out corners, but less of those "limit" corners, so maybe that works better for other drivers than Neuville?
That's all nice and well, but it won't help much if he'll suffer the same problem(s?) that Craig is enduring right now. Hopefully they'll get it fixed in time although I doubt they can do anything without incurring a penalty of sorts, unless it's an electrical fault or something. Again, all speculation, hopefully someone will enlighten the situation for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well yes Hyundai seemed to struggle most in "longer", "mid-speed" corners and as you say and there are few of those here.
That said it's shakedown where they remember every corner after 2-3 passes, in rally when there is many more unpredictable changes in corner and the car needs to react it might be more difficult (ref. C3).
Another point is that I think the SD is faster than most rally stages and Tanak (like Rovanpera and Breen) are best on "fast" rallies/stages.
As a final thought with regards to championship his only (very small) hope is to push. He won't close up by ending 3-4th, so question is if he goes crazy push level. (Historically he seems to be unmotivated if he only should "finish", like in Monza last year).
So I hesitate to read too much into it.
Only a shakedown but I like too what I’m seeing from Tänak so far. He was nowhere in Croatia shakedown.
As it has some similarities with Germany then I’m not that surprised but we will see.
On gravel. On tarmac it's a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
However we must also remember Tänak won Rally Deutschland three last times it was run, every time it was run on the current gen cars, and that's probably the closest rally to Ypres. At the same time, Tour de Corse was never Tänak's strongest rally.
Also, in Ypres all the stages have fast, mid-speed and slow corners, plenty of them. Just mixed in different amounts. For example shakedown has four tight junctions in 9.81 km, Something like 0.4/km SS1 will have 16 tight junctions in 15 kilometres, so it's close to 1/km, so it will be a slower stage.
Although I think i20 on tarmac is the opposite of C3. C3 seemed to be oversteering as hell like a racing car, whereas i20 is more like a FWD car, understeering and only controllable by pulling handbrake (like Neuville does).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Breen says he had a really good feeling with the car but some issues on each run mean his times dont reflect this.
A big point of Ieper is the cutting, the crews need to watch the stewards in case they lose the plot and start issuing penalties for cutting as has been done before, track limits need to stay in F1. There has been cases before where the full car has been off the road, I hope common sense prevails.
Meanwhile, new Hyundai Rally2 car seems good at least in Shakedown: https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/6...-2021/?ct=1018
Yes the C3 in its original set up was amazing on dry tarmac, see Meeke in Corsica/Spain in 2017. As they developed the car tho, it seemed to get better on gravel, but slower on tarmac, Ogier was always complaining about understeer on tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hyundai was an understeer monster on tarmac to start with, but has got better over years. Still does it though, that’s why Neuville has this strange handbrake use to get the best from it.
I still waiting for DirtFish preview video. Where are they? :D
I don't believe there will be such cases. At least in Rally Deutschland there was never any issues. In Monte and Safari there were clear shortcuts taken instead of just excessive cutting.Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
Yes. We all remember "I can't drive this car" in Deutschland 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
And this seems to be why other drivers than Neuville (and Sordo) have struggled with it.Quote:
Hyundai was an understeer monster on tarmac to start with, but has got better over years. Still does it though, that’s why Neuville has this strange handbrake use to get the best from it.
Was there not a similar complaint from meeke in some onboard from sweden? I remember hearing something about that but i never saw the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yeah, probably in Sweden 2017 already....and then in late 2019 it was a fast car on gravel, both fast and technical roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Reason why I mentioned C3 was that it was great when the right setup was found for a specific road, but when conditions changed or were mixed, it suddenly had issues. ("narrow operating window").
I20 seemed to have similar setup issues in 2017-2018 on wet gravel, dunno if car changed or if they just learned how to set it up.
Therefore I am a bit cautious about times on multiple SD runs.
Yes but the results are similar on the first SD run.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In first run I'd say everyone was the same, 0,9s between top4 on 9,8 km is nothing.
We'll see soon enough.
Differences will probably not be big. A few seconds per stage. Usually its hard to make up time here, so it's down to who makes the least mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes, but even being level with Neuville and Ogier is an improvement for Tänak, who was lagging behind in Croatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Here we go guys!!
good luck to everyone as its friday the 13th!
Oh well, 3-day screen-prison started again...
amazing hindsights from Mads again
Not big gaps really between the top guys
Neuville now stretching legs, 2 secs up in spl2Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Kalle all over the place
Tanak top concentrated now.
Järveoja corrected basicly every corner as much as i the onboard
Well done Ott!
Tänak: "car is behaving nice"
Looks like we are in for another early Hyundai show!!!
A bit déjà vu feeling already. Friday, Hyundai showing really good pace. Finish on Sunday, Toyota is taking the win and Hyundai is nowhere from points perspective.
Hyundai 1-2-3 so far
M-Sport cars like in a lower class, losing a lot.