Silly Season 2020

About delfi.ee links - they are sponsors for Tänak, but mostly they don't produce any content theirself. Usually there should be "original" article somewhere else and often meaning is somehow lost in translation.

Questions from "journalists" from delfi.ee are often really embarrassing and inadequate. Previously Markko Märtin and also Ott Tänak both ignored estonian "journalists" for that reason, now Ott is kind of forced to answer to those "questions" as they are sponsors. delfi is considered as "yellow newspaper" and for their income they produce a lot of "clickbaits".

yep they are awful, and those two links what Andre posted are both translation of autosport articles

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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

Sordo and Evans in Tommi’s radar?
Ogier and Citröen out?
5 year deal to Kalle in M-Sport?

https://www.sport.delfi.ee/wrc/article.php?id=87233825

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What is the original source for these? Not on Autosport

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

What is the original source for these? Not on Autosport

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I would not really pay attention to what is written in Delfi. Piece of crap journalism.

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Originally Posted by cali

I would not really pay attention to what is written in Delfi. Piece of crap journalism.

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I was referring to what EstWRC posted

Often when wrc+ journalists ask comments from driver or team manager then delfi produces clickbait article for every sentence they say. So 3 sentences = 3 articles. I wish Ott would get himself more reputable sponsors.

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Originally Posted by wrc2017

He is only in it to win it. If he can't win, and get pummelled into 3rd place, 70-80 point behind Tanak this year, and there is no progress with C3, he will not do next year.. No way.

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thats my opinion too.
The only if for me is,if we have other driver changes in teams,and there is a seat at a winning car.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

What is the original source for these? Not on Autosport

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well maybe this one was written by himself, but usually they take autosport ones, translate those and then what really pisses me off that they want money for it

I notice Tanak said the Toyota 1-2-3 in Germany made no difference to his decision whether to go to stay.

Is he just playing hard-ball and making them sweat or would he really leave if he's not convinced Toyota have done enough ?

Much as I'd love him back at M-Sport, if I was him I wouldnt move. All cars have their reliabilty issues.

On Ogier, I'm tending more towards those that think he could quit if he loses the 2019 Title and sees no real progress in the C3.

He's a pure winner - not being in real contention for the rally wins and titles hurts him badly.

If Ogier was to simply just lose the championship in a close fought battle I dont think he'd leave. But as others have said, if by the end of the season he's miles off Tanak, and Citroen cant give him guarantees of when/if the car can be improved massively, then yeah I think he'll have a decision to make over whether 2020 in a citroen is worth it...

They've been working on aero improvements since December last year and still nothing, for example...!

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I notice Tanak said the Toyota 1-2-3 in Germany made no difference to his decision whether to go to stay.

Is he just playing hard-ball and making them sweat or would he really leave if he's not convinced Toyota have done enough ?

Much as I'd love him back at M-Sport, if I was him I wouldnt move. All cars have their reliabilty issues.

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He is just playing up any small issue with the reliability of Toyota, his main gripe.
Hyundai had gearbox issue
Ford with an electrical fault.
and Citroen... well its a Citroen.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

On Ogier, I'm tending more towards those that think he could quit if he loses the 2019 Title and sees no real progress in the C3.

He's a pure winner - not being in real contention for the rally wins and titles hurts him badly.

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He could go to Hyundai or M-Sport, without doubt. Toyota possibly.
And I'm certain a man of his professionalism will have a get-out clause in his contract if he isn't in position 'X' at a certain point in the championship.

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Originally Posted by T16

He could go to Hyundai or M-Sport, without doubt. Toyota possibly.

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No way, already one foot out the door to retirement

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I notice Tanak said the Toyota 1-2-3 in Germany made no difference to his decision whether to go to stay.

Is he just playing hard-ball and making them sweat or would he really leave if he's not convinced Toyota have done enough ?

Much as I'd love him back at M-Sport, if I was him I wouldnt move. All cars have their reliabilty issues.

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For me it seems more that decision is actually made or/and it's more paperwork/contract question.
rephrased quote: "In my head things are easier/more clear than on paper".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDCp2udW...jpg&name=small

I guess that magazine has the same Jack Benyon penned article published already on Autosport Plus

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

I guess that magazine has the same Jack Benyon penned article published already on Autosport Plus

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No think the autosport plus article is different - although I'm sure will touch on the same things we already know. Would be great if someone has access to it and could post it though.

This article just gone up on autosport will be the one that's in motorsport news today I'm sure.

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...ak-from-toyota

The new Autosport article has only quotes from the Plus article

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

The new Autosport article has only quotes from the Plus article

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Or even only quotes from Mr Wilson interview for WRC+?

Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure is writing that Hyundai is offering 5 million to Tänak but he (i suppose Märtin actually) wants 7 million. The dont know how much Toyota is offering.

i have no idea how trustworthy that newspaper is.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure is writing that Hyundai is offering 5 million to Tänak but he (i suppose Märtin actually) wants 7 million. The dont know how much Toyota is offering.

i have no idea how trustworthy that newspaper is.

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If it's Olivier de Wilde, you can take it with a pinch of salt.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure is writing that Hyundai is offering 5 million to Tänak but he (i suppose Märtin actually) wants 7 million. The dont know how much Toyota is offering.

i have no idea how trustworthy that newspaper is.

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Damn that's some coin, but Ott Tanak is unfreaking stoppable at this point. Dude is on fire. He can probably jump in current C3 WRC and win.

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Originally Posted by racerx1979

Damn that's some coin, but Ott Tanak is unfreaking stoppable at this point. Dude is on fire. He can probably jump in current C3 WRC and win.

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I don't think so, the C3 too flawed for that

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IF Tänak leaves Toyota, a weir decision have to say, and goes to Hyundai.
Then it is 6(7?) Drivers and 3 cars.
Loeb has a contract, but no one else?
Tänak and neuville full seasons, Loeb part time, sharing with who? Sordo? Or breen?
Mikkelsen and Sordo to Toyota or M-sport?

Heard that Toyota want to pay €2 mill to Tänak, then Hyundai can put €5-7 mill on the table.

That will shake up some things.

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Originally Posted by skarderud

Heard that Toyota want to pay €2 mill to Tänak, then Hyundai can put €5-7 mill on the table.



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what? they want to pay less than previous years?

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

what? they want to pay less than previous years?

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The information I have is that Tänak's current salary is 1,5 millions

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Originally Posted by skarderud

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Loeb has a contract, but no one else?

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Loeb and Neuville have contracts with Hyundai for next year

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

The information I have is that Tänak's current salary is 1,5 millions

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i have other information :D

I guess the 1,5M€ would be Tänak's base salary? On the rate he's been winning rallies (and is more than likely to grab the title at the end of the year) he'll end up making few millions more maybe.

The following is highly speculative as for some reason I haven't been invited to the negotiations Tänak/Märtin/Mäkinen have had, but assuming the rumor of Tänak asking for 7M€ (base per anno) is true, I - as an employer - would cut the performance bonuses quite radically.

https://i.imgur.com/otQN2eQ.png

The first box shows the basic salaries, the second box the bonuses from wins.

From Miika Wuorela's Penkalla magazine.

Remember that Tänak's contract is from 2017 when he wasn't yet a championship contender. His value has increased considerably after that.

I'm guessing the base salary is per year and 1,2 mil per win? Meaning he's racked up at least 7.5 mil already this season?

No, it says total bonuses before rally Finland.

EDIT: This would mean Tänak gets 400 000 from a win, Neuville 500 000 and Ogier a million.

Lappi and Mikkelsen salarys are so high?

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Lappi and Mikkelsen salarys are so high?

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Good manager?

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Good manager?

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Who then takes half...

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

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According to the AR podcast, M-Sport are after Tanak (with Ford's help) as they are looking forward to the 2022 hybrid and then electric cars.

They have a reputation for their new cars being fast 'out of the box' which may tempt Tanak, plus M-Sport think Tanak is a great one to help develop the car afterwards.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Lappi and Mikkelsen salarys are so high?

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Have to remember when they were signed.
Lappi got signed mid 2018 after he was clearly faster than Latvala whole first half of the season. So salary compared with Latvala (who was re-signed about at that point) as well as others is somewhat ok.

Mikkelsen got signed in 2017 either after Spain or GB, meaning right after he finished 2nd in Germany in C3 and then led Spain in his first day in the i20 and finished 4th in GB minutes ahead of Sordo/Paddon in same car. So at that point his value was quite high, matching this salary.

The biggest take there is how little money Evans gets, but again he was probably re-signed at end of last year when only good result was one podium from Spain and people wondering if he will continue at all.

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Originally Posted by mknight

Mikkelsen got signed in 2017 either after Spain or GB, meaning right after he finished 2nd in Germany in C3 and then led Spain in his first day in the i20 and finished 4th in GB minutes ahead of Sordo/Paddon in same car. So at that point his value was quite high, matching this salary.

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I thought they signed him already before Spain for two years

Yes after digging back it was before Spain.
So after Germany where he was 2nd ahead of Ogier and much faster than Meeke in same car.