Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.
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Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.
Evand and Neuville both race in ERC 1st round in Spain - Rally Sierra Morena
"The event will provide the title contenders with a chance to directly compare pace. However, the main objective of the test event is to fine-tune Rally1 car setups ahead of the next WRC round, which will be held on the tarmac roads of Gran Canaria at the end of April"Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
https://rallyjournal.com/toyotas-ans...ext-wrc-round/
That was the question; what are the rules if you'd like a good set that deviates from the heritage of rally and the need for manufacturers and homologation? Would you want or not want cross carts, sofas or whatever else can be made in a shed?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Quite far-fetched to think rally going to be running sofas if we stop the need for manufacturers homologation.
How can a safety cell based car with Rally2 technology end up as a sofa?
Every tuner buy that cell, engine, geometry etc is "free", no expensive materials, need a brand in front maybe, some extra aerodynamics, voila you have the new Rally1car. The cell has a worldwide certification so you can use it on normal roads as an purposebuild rallycar.
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I'm not sure to what extent you mean "Rally2 technology" beyond power train; but if you want either a production touring car chassis or a "brand upfront" (ie current Rally1 lookalikes); you should still expect manufacturers and a homologation process, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
A safety cell is not a chassis, so everything you've described so far could still be a buggy - no body panels, no windscreen etc, maybe something like this. If that's what you propose, fine, I'm just trying to understand your POV.
No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.
Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.
Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.
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you mean like, these teams being able to choose ANY brand they want (like, I want to Run a 80's LADA) or you are talking about a "generic" car not related to any brand?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
like this hatchback https://omse.se/vehicles/fc2
or this SUV https://omse.se/vehicles/fc1
This is where I could say that a buggy, or that sofa, is a car, but I think I get your point. The main point...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I can't ever see the FIA allowing modifying cars of a brand, imitating a brand's car, or using a brand on an independent car design, without that manufacturer being involved. What you linked to here would be a lot more likely. Although, it would have to be zero manufacturers involved for the private tuner bespoke designs to be allowed in 2027. They're keeping options open now but business would get in the way of competition, as it always has.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Didn't they try something very like this with the Oreca R4 Kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Some people are thinking way too hard. Just think of the rules as if it were rallycross or dakar. It has to slightly resemble a streetcar, but there doesn't have to be a brand.
Well, there are side-by-sides, buggies, trucks and bikes besides the production and prototype cars in Dakar... and Rallycross doesn't have to worry about being road legal and is dying at world level. It's essentially the same sport as autocross with a joker lap and some tarmac; autocross is a growing sport and has cross carts as the promoted option for hitting the costs right.
This discussion is the identity of the rally sport under threat and question. The consequences of a rule change or not doing anything are huge.
car brands are producing more suvs and thats a fact... so they gotta move into that direction. power train will have to allow simple ICE on renewable fuel otherwise rallying is dead. then its a matter of having, idk, skoda and msport building rally2 inside bigger models... and hoping for more brands (because homologation) and builders to start partnerships focusing on rally. i dont think its an impossible thing. skoda, msport will probably be there. maybe going after stellantis to choose a brand and find a race partner (prodrive?). idk, at least for the whole rally2 program, so we can keep slowly updating this fórmula in more countries/national chanpionships.
A point missed for those interested is that engines have to come from production runs whether for Rally1 or 2, thus still a homologation step.
So current Rally1 with a production based engine and a provision in the rules that allows manufacturer independent cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
https://youtu.be/4BQVtJB6Iug?feature=shared
these fellas were rallying SUVs 12 years ago haha we are always late with wrc eh?
(skip to 3:43 or so, when they start to push a little.) boy, i find SUVs so ugly haha these old ones are better for the eye tho
Robert Reid has quit his role as FIA Deputy President for Sport, effective immediately ❌
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/reid-...uty-president/
Actually not surprised.
Having different opinion about things and trying to improve smth aand
abracadabra sim-sala-ben.. bye.
This has to be a big hit for the FIA President.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Confidence is a major asset. Inspiring confidence, that is. Without it, even the best intentions can ebb away and be consigned to a garbage heap.
Finally a guy who has the balls to say something
“When I took on this role, it was to serve the FIA’s members, not to serve power"
excellent comment by him. but theres no turning back now.
and the new fia president will probably be either as shitty as MBS ...or as shitty as MBS but more discreet. (idk which is worst)
Sordo to return in (4th) Hyundai for Greece & Sardinia, quotes from Neuville ...
https://rallyjournal.com/a-big-revel...oming-tactics/
Also, the F1 star who tested a Rally1 Car is revealed... and it wasn't Bottas ! ;)
https://rallyjournal.com/name-of-f1-...credibly-good/
Props to the user here who reported it at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Interesting interview with the hero from Gran Canaria, Luís Monzón
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/luis-mon...islas-canarias
TOO MUCH WEAR?!
The WRC crews will have 8 more tires in Rally Portugal so the total available for each car goes from 28 to 36 (shakedown included).
This change was made official through the “Bulletin 1” of the event.
Considering that two more sets of tires are a lot and this change is important there must be an explanation that could be excessive tire wear.
We have already hypothesized in another post that the Hankook tires are too hard and that in Kenya there were 23 punctures attributable to this robustness but the African event had a soft surface that did not wear the tires excessively.
The triptych of gravel roads arriving Portugal-Sardinia-Greece instead has a lot of wear and higher temperatures that could lead to problems with the integrity of the tires.
In support of OUR hypothesis there would be the length of the special stages in Portugal:
24 special stages with maximum lengths of 15 km with the exception of the Amarante stage which will be 24.
However, the Amarante stage has always been 37 km and this shortening combined with the addition of tires make us think.
Apologies if this video was shared in another thread, and this is probably the wrong thread for the topic but it's related to a few pages ago where we were having a chat about what a car is and the identity of rally (sofas, buggies, crosskarts and side by sides etc..) Here's Rich Millener being recorded at about the same time on side-by-sides: 'I personally think a modified version of this could be the answer to the problems in rally of entry level vehicles'
https://youtu.be/1xsKjcptLjc?t=785
Strongly recommend to watch the whole video, Rich is quite open.
a few websites are covering this, Lando said it wasnt him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://racingnews365.com/norris-res...ome-a-headline
"I said a couple of years ago, I'm not allowed. Zak [Brown, McLaren CEO] doesn't let me drive rally cars, probably for a good reason, but I've said many times I would love to. It's so weird how people come up with such things in the media. That's how terrible it is sometimes, rather than just asking me before publishing things."
Surprise driver for top-tier Rally1 car in Portugal:
https://rallyjournal.com/source-surp...yundais-plans/
Ben Sulayem proposes Malcolm Wilson as Robert Reid's successor at FIA...
https://www.autosport.com/general/ne...date/10716162/
https://www.autosport.com/general/ne...date/10716162/
Wonder whether having given Malcolm/M Sport so much trade over the years MBS will think him "loyal to the cause"
In the way he should. Loyal to the manufacturers best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
and so far no one is on the run for fia's election this year against mbs
which is kinda weird because he is NOT doing a good job, everybody knows that... but apparently his money (intimidation???) can buy all the votes. idk, i dont like this guy. it sounds "islamophobic" but its not that. its just....it always something stupid.
like these new MEDALS they are going to give to WRC race winners. "ohh they are made of recycled metals"
ok... but if you DONT PRODUCE these pointless medal, you would release LESS Co2!! how about that? its even MORE GREEN than recycled metals!!! nope... medals for everyone! screw the emissions! haha its all a big dumb hypocrital PR machine.
That's one of the most beautifully worded posts I've read on this forum. Not saying I agree, but well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
AG Rally:
Total Energies has raised the price of fuel to €8.75 per litre excluding VAT, creating discontent in the circus since the previous price, of P1 Fuels, was €6.96 per litre.
The price increase was validated by the Rally of the Canary Islands, that is, since Total Energies took over from P1 Fuels as the sole supplier of fuel for the WRC.
The new price has been increased by 25% which has a significant economic impact:
•WRC teams purchase fuel in blocks of 50L. Now each block of 50L costs €437.50.
•Considering that on average an event consumes between 450 and 500L of fuel, each team spends approximately €4000 plus VAT for each car.
*Quantity of fuel and total price may vary from event to event.
TotalEnergies will supply fuel at these prices until the end of the season, meanwhile the FIA is looking for a single fuel supplier for the three-year period 2026-2028 through a tender.
Technical rules for the next WRC regulations cycle still aren't set in stone ��
But the FIA remains optimistic that the 2027 regulations are going to attract interest from new entrants ��
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ouchhhhh i always forget how expensive motorsport is, jeeeez
So basically they remain confident that Hyundai are out for next year…do wonder who will take their place, doubt any of the VW Group bandwagon will comeback; Although could you believe it’s almost been 10 years(!] since dieselgate?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbazsi95
This seems like one of the things that could easily be changed to make things cheaper. Just make them use normal, commercial fuel. Nobody will notice the difference in performance, and they all save a lot of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
i may be wrong but..... FIA needs to pretend the championship is GREEN and run on 'clean fuels'.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
i doubt thats going to change. its easier to say 'race car polutes' instead of talking about how overseas rounds are the top emission's cause, how traveling around europe in huge trucks and vans polutes more than the actual races, how fan dslocation polutes etc.
Correct. It can change but will need the competitors to stop entering like how the hybrid costs made them face reality. The fuel costs are a competitor cost which need to be passed on through diminished entry lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
In unrelated news, it seems USA will host a rally next year: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/u...2026/10716979/
If they do join we’ll have a 15 event calendar.