[WRC] Arctic Rally 2021

[Mirek]

That's being on the limit.

Being all over the place is not necessarilly an indicator of speed. Often it's the opposite.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Being all over the place is not necessarilly an indicator of speed. Often it's the opposite.

Solberg was up on the splits.

[AnttiL]

Solberg was faster than Greensmith on the power stage :D

[Mirek]

Solberg was up on the splits.

And crashed

[Rallyper]

Being all over the place is not necessarilly an indicator of speed. Often it's the opposite.

Talking about Oliver?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bit of a disappointing event for Evans.

[Lead]

Great driving by Breen here.

[Mirek]

Great job by Breen!

[meh]

Nice delivery under pressure by Breen

[Mirek]

Talking about Oliver?

Eddie claimed that Sunninen obviously wasn't pushing because he wasn't all over the place.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie was claimed that Sunninen obviously wasn't pushing because he wasn't all over the place.

I never said that. He wasnt as committed as I've seen him at times. Not being crazy though.

[jonkka]

how can he hold his mouth open for such a long time? :D

Runs in the family, Petter is also driver that looks like fish on the dry ground.

[dimviii]

Runs in the family, Petter is also driver that looks like fish on the dry ground.

Petter was also driving with open mouth.

[Mirek]

Kalle did it and leads the championship!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Kalle, fastest and holds 2nd place ! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle hasnt been totally happy with the car all weekend either.

[AnttiL]

What a drive from Kalle!

[Rallyper]

Well done from Kalle.

But Huyndai team shining.

[Mirek]

Good job Ott!

After Toyota dominance in Monte Carlo Hyundai stroke back on Toyota's home soil. Let the battle continues!

Anyway awesome power stage!

[meh]

Tänak and Breen "monetized" well start-position on friday

[dimviii]

Congrats to Tanak,clearly faster all weekend,but was waiting to take and the 5 points from power stage.
He could be faster from Kalle, when Breen was just 0,3 slower at power stage.

[EstWRC]

yesssss yeesss yesssssss!!!! yeeeehhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

superrrrrbbbbbb

this will taste so sweet for Tänak and all Hyundai team who many didnt give even chance before the rally

[Mirek]

He could be faster from Kalle, when Breen was just 0,3 slower at power stage.

But he could also end in the snowbank. Probably opted for sure victory points when Ogier was out yesterday.

[meh]

Becs is getting quite good in pronouncing "Järveoja" :)

[wwbroe]

How are the standigs look now in the championship? Kalle in top position, in front of Neuville?

[Mirek]

Starting first in Croatia will be an advantage for Kalle, not sure how big, that depends on how many anti-cutting obstacles they'll use but it's definitely better than to start later behind.

[dimviii]

But he could also end in the snowbank. Probably opted for sure victory points when Ogier was out yesterday.

Ogier when he is dominant at a rally doesnt give away points.
You have to take all points you can.Next rally maybe dont give the same opportunity.
Tanak managed at power stage to take 1 point more than Ogier,and 3 less from Breen.
Both of them couldnt stand near him this weekend.
Wish he dont need these points at championship end.

[meh]

Lappi didn't won powerstage.

[doubled1978]

Good rally that, really enjoyable.

[dimviii]

How are the standigs look now in the championship? Kalle in top position, in front of Neuville?

yes we have new leader
#Rovanperä 39
#Neuville 35
#Ogier 31
#Evans 31
#Tänak 27
#Katsuta 16
#Breen 16

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvT_-SFXIAIGMS6?format=jpg&name=small

[PLuto]

At least one positive on final prize giving ceremony (instead of watching top WRC2 crews) - Santa Claus was more privileged than Jean Todt :D

[meh]

Some epic timing failure - just cut from random place interview with Adamo :(

[wwbroe]

yes we have new leader

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvT_-SFXIAIGMS6?format=jpg&name=small
Youngest ever leader of the championship?:D

[EstWRC]

Ogier when he is dominant at a rally doesnt give away points.
You have to take all points you can.Next rally maybe dont give the same opportunity.
Tanak managed at power stage to take 1 point more than Ogier,and 3 less from Breen.
Both of them couldnt stand near him this weekend.
Wish he dont need these points at championship end.

this has been Tänaks approach for many years now, he takes things more calm when the feeling isnt right and also thats the difference between the two champions....Ogier always goes for everything, atlhough im with you and many times have cursed Ott that he doesnt take the maximum.

[dimviii]

Andrea Adamo reaction

"I said after Monte-Carlo that only a win would have brought us back to the level we need to be. I think my team has done an amazing job. We understood our faults - me for sure, I myself was making mistakes in Monte-Carlo."



Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT 88
Hyundai Shell Mobis WRT 77
M-Sport Ford WRT 24
Hyundai 2C Competition 22

[EstWRC]

now we know what Ott wished before rally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu53JRQXcAEkF8r?format=jpg&name=large

[MTA]

WRC needs more snowrally!

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[Rallyper]

First big congrats to Ott and Martin. Very good job done. Oliver man of the rally?

This rally should be back every year.
We need two winterrallies. Having Rally Sweden from Östersund will give same idealic conditions as Rovaniemi. For sure. Stages, hospitality everything. Hope for both in the future.

[doubled1978]

First big congrats to Ott and Martin. Very good job done. Oliver man of the rally?

This rally should be back every year.
We need two winterrallies. Having Rally Sweden from Östersund will give same idealic conditions as Rovaniemi. For sure. Stages, hospitality everything. Hope for both in the future.


I agree, winter rallies like this are exceptional, and to have two back to back would be awesome.

Tanak the man of the rally for me, brilliant performance. Oliver and Kalle, well they have shown us the future is bright...love seeing these lads going flat out.

[Mirek]

This rally should be back every year.
We need two winterrallies. Having Rally Sweden from Östersund will give same idealic conditions as Rovaniemi. For sure. Stages, hospitality everything. Hope for both in the future.

Two winter rallies would be for sure great but I can't see how the WRC could normally have two events in Finland in one season.

[Crazy J]

Besides Nordic countries, snow rally could be easily organized either on Hokkaido or Canada. Maybe to have 2-3 snow rallies in season.

[mknight]

The one thing missing here was a bit more variety in stages, the first stage on saturday had slightly different character, but rest were kind of all very similar.
In Sweden around Torsby you had the more narrower and twisty stages on Friday with often more snow, then the more jumpy and wide ones in Sweden and in between superspecial with diferent characters.

Dunno how easy it is to get a different character in the area and for sure they didn't do super specials with COVID this year.

[meh]

The one thing missing here was a bit more variety in stages, the first stage on saturday had slightly different character, but rest were kind of all very similar.
In Sweden around Torsby you had the more narrower and twisty stages on Friday with often more snow, then the more jumpy and wide ones in Sweden and in between superspecial with diferent characters.

Dunno how easy it is to get a different character in the area and for sure they didn't do super specials with COVID this year.

Based on driver's comments I'm not agree with that. From TV it all seems "fast and white", but there were definitely really narrow parts and really wide and fast parts.

[SubaruNorway]

It was a good event but with the prices to go there for a lot of us that normally go to Sweden and the cold normally I'm not sure they could run it without a lot of sponsor money up there. I can rent a car in Spain for a whole week of the cost of one day in Rovaniemi...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvUP3PhXIAIiW2e?format=png&name=900x900

[meh]

Few random takeaways from Tänak's interview to Estonian media (https://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/wrc/delfi-video-rovaniemist-voidumees-tanak-pingestasime-viimased-kaks-nadalat-insenere-korralikult?id=92701539):
* after winter rally in Estonia Tänak told to manegemtn/engineers that they don't have car to fight for the win in Lapland
* pushed a lot of engineers for 2 weeks
* in PowerStage he didn't have enough confidence and will to take extra risks to find extra 2 seconds for fighting for powerstage win

[AnttiL]

The one thing missing here was a bit more variety in stages, the first stage on saturday had slightly different character, but rest were kind of all very similar.
In Sweden around Torsby you had the more narrower and twisty stages on Friday with often more snow, then the more jumpy and wide ones in Sweden and in between superspecial with diferent characters.

Dunno how easy it is to get a different character in the area and for sure they didn't do super specials with COVID this year.

I would disagree about Sweden. There's not a distinct character of the Friday stages (often in Norway) and the ones on Saturday. If something, the Norway stages are faster and the Hagfors area stages more technical. Especially Vargåsen is a stage which probably looks super fast on TV, but all the beginning of the stage is just super narrow and twisty stuff. But usually there's a bit of everything everywhere, and all stages combine different road types. Torsby is a good example, it's first super twisty, then super fast and then again twisty like a super special.

As for Arctic Rally Finland, I recommend watching through an onboard of each stage. They all have super fast sections, and they all have technical sections, in different mixes (like power stage had very little slow sections, and SS3+6 had quite little fast stuff). They rarely have something that's in between. The first stage was probably the most varied with many different characters. This is the character of the area and you cannot change it. Long straights, high speeds, narrow roads, going over hills instead of having big jumps.

I would like ARF to remain in the WRC, but I just don't see two rounds in Finland happening persistently, I don't see the events alternating with each other, and for sure I don't see Jyväskylä Rally Finland being dropped off for good.

[Mirek]

I liked the night stages here also thanks to their character with those low crests which are high enough to block the lights but not high enough to block driver's visibility in the day. It makes them like different stages when watched in the night.

Watching the complete RC2 results with 36 finishers I can see that the whole top 10 was totally dominated by Nordic drivers (4 Finns, 3 Norwegians, 1 Russian, 1 Estonian, 1 Swede). The first one from lower-located countries is Prokop on 11th place but than up to place 15 there are another 3 Finns and 1 Estonian. 16th is 58 years old and now very rarely competing Michal Solowow. Hats off to the old man :)

[Rallyper]

I would disagree about Sweden. There's not a distinct character of the Friday stages (often in Norway) and the ones on Saturday. If something, the Norway stages are faster and the Hagfors area stages more technical. Especially Vargåsen is a stage which probably looks super fast on TV, but all the beginning of the stage is just super narrow and twisty stuff. But usually there's a bit of everything everywhere, and all stages combine different road types. Torsby is a good example, it's first super twisty, then super fast and then again twisty like a super special.

As for Arctic Rally Finland, I recommend watching through an onboard of each stage. They all have super fast sections, and they all have technical sections, in different mixes (like power stage had very little slow sections, and SS3+6 had quite little fast stuff). They rarely have something that's in between. The first stage was probably the most varied with many different characters. This is the character of the area and you cannot change it. Long straights, high speeds, narrow roads, going over hills instead of having big jumps.

I would like ARF to remain in the WRC, but I just don't see two rounds in Finland happening persistently, I don't see the events alternating with each other, and for sure I don't see Jyväskylä Rally Finland being dropped off for good.

Wasn´t you showing (from other) stages around Östersund area? Analyzis from those stages, which are classics, should get a different view of Rally Sweden...

[Sulland]

Sweden will move north, so all of the old stages will be history.
I think they will have to move out of Värmland and to Dalarna I guess, maybe Sälen and Trysil, if Norway is to have a role still.

[Sulland]

Solbeg pushing obviously too much...

Without knowing, I am guessing the power stage was the first one he was allowed to go 100%.

And since this was only a rally to show potential, but get to the end to get ss km in a WRCar.
Letting him go max on one stage is smart, he had little to loose, having crossed all boxes before the Power Stage.

That he went over the limit several times, and in the end one time too much, is part of the learning curve.
He was lucky, and only lost a place to Taka, saw the finish line, and had a absolute ball the whole weekend!

And Oliver is as Petter was, a PR master!

Next rally will be in a R5 and then hopefully in a Rally2. Maybe he will get 1 or 2 more rallies in the top class this year, lets see!

[Mirek]

Without knowing, I am guessing the power stage was the first one he was allowed to go 100%.

And since this was only a rally to show potential, but get to the end to get ss km in a WRCar.
Letting him go max on one stage is smart, he had little to loose, having crossed all boxes before the Power Stage.

That he went over the limit several times, and in the end one time too much, is part of the learning curve.
He was lucky, and only lost a place to Taka, saw the finish line, and had a absolute ball the whole weekend!

And Oliver is as Petter was, a PR master!

Next rally will be in a R5 and then hopefully in a Rally2. Maybe he will get 1 or 2 more rallies in the top class this year, lets see!

I post that comment when he had a big moment on the heli view. It was shortly before he went off. That was just a coincidence.

[COD]

The one thing missing here was a bit more variety in stages, the first stage on saturday had slightly different character, but rest were kind of all very similar.
In Sweden around Torsby you had the more narrower and twisty stages on Friday with often more snow, then the more jumpy and wide ones in Sweden and in between superspecial with diferent characters.

Dunno how easy it is to get a different character in the area and for sure they didn't do super specials with COVID this year.

The event was put together in a very short time. There are more roads in the area, but no time to include those in such short notice. But like many here said, unlikely that Finland will have regulary two events

[EstWRC]

Few random takeaways from Tänak's interview to Estonian media (https://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/wrc/delfi-video-rovaniemist-voidumees-tanak-pingestasime-viimased-kaks-nadalat-insenere-korralikult?id=92701539):
* after winter rally in Estonia Tänak told to manegemtn/engineers that they don't have car to fight for the win in Lapland
* pushed a lot of engineers for 2 weeks
* in PowerStage he didn't have enough confidence and will to take extra risks to find extra 2 seconds for fighting for powerstage win

kind of same comments in english for dirtfish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWySvlqu6UQ

they tried as late as shakedown some new things and those worked

[masa90]

Did anyone notice what was going in the corner of the eye of Teemu Suninen ? Bugged me everytime I saw it.

[Rallyper]

Finland have the capacity to organize two rallies per season, if they are allowed. No doubt.

They have many upsides. Same people doing events. Clear structure on everything needed, weather it is in Rovaniemi or Jyväskylä. Efficient work with people knowing how rallies should be organized.

And I have inside info they have no problems doing it twice a year.

[dimviii]

Without knowing, I am guessing the power stage was the first one he was allowed to go 100%.


just to mention the last stage at Monte.

[mknight]

Finland have the capacity to organize two rallies per season, if they are allowed. No doubt.

They have many upsides. Same people doing events. Clear structure on everything needed, weather it is in Rovaniemi or Jyväskylä. Efficient work with people knowing how rallies should be organized.

And I have inside info they have no problems doing it twice a year.

Marketing-wise it's a nogo.

[mknight]

just to mention the last stage at Monte.

What those two have in common is that he went off both times...maybe better to drive to finish.

[Mirek]

Finland have the capacity to organize two rallies per season, if they are allowed. No doubt.

They have many upsides. Same people doing events. Clear structure on everything needed, weather it is in Rovaniemi or Jyväskylä. Efficient work with people knowing how rallies should be organized.

And I have inside info they have no problems doing it twice a year.

It's WORLD championship. They can't have two rallies in a country with such a small car market moreover when one is in so remote place. Now there's covid but normally they need to get thousands of fans there somehow.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkaZHCJeAs

[dimviii]

hahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvT9Hq8XYAAl621?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkaZHCJeAs

Quite a big Lappi moment on the start of the vid. Sadly there are almost no onboards from him on WRC+

[dimviii]

Breen’s driving style was “upsetting” car

Discovery was made before Artic Rally Finland powerstage, on which Hyundai's returning driver then went second fastest

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/breens-driving-style-was-upsetting-car/

[Eli]

Post-Event press conference:

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-o-tanak-challenge-we-had-was-definitely-worth-some-wrc-points

[AnttiL]

Breen’s driving style was “upsetting” car

Discovery was made before Artic Rally Finland powerstage, on which Hyundai's returning driver then went second fastest

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/breens-driving-style-was-upsetting-car/

Still bad habits from Citroen days

[AnttiL]

Quite a big Lappi moment on the start of the vid. Sadly there are almost no onboards from him on WRC+

Almost? I thought he didn’t have a camera in the car.

[Rallyper]

It's WORLD championship. They can't have two rallies in a country with such a small car market moreover when one is in so remote place. Now there's covid but normally they need to get thousands of fans there somehow.

So here we are again. You like to be opponent, don´t you?

Can´t have two rallies? I strongly believe two wellorganized spectacular rallies, one in the winter, one in the summer and even more historic, is enough of argument having two rallies in Finland.

Even carmakers are well enough that intelligent knowing more cars are sold when winning. Not where they are winning.

[mknight]

Almost? I thought he didn’t have a camera in the car.

I didn't find any onboard from Friday and Saturday, didn't check Sunday. But they probably don't have time to install the kits between the legs.

[mknight]

Post-Event press conference:

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-o-tanak-challenge-we-had-was-definitely-worth-some-wrc-points

There are some news there:

- Solberg wont be in WRC car on next rally (not really big news, also it's Adamo, so you never know)
- Neuville will do a rally in R5 in Italy to get better cooperation with codriver
- Adamo decided he will ask Solberg to drive WRC during PowerStage in Monte (weird... the power stage where Solberg went out before posting a single splittime?)

[jcevc]

Starting first in Croatia will be an advantage for Kalle, not sure how big, that depends on how many anti-cutting obstacles they'll use but it's definitely better than to start later behind.

As I know there will be some anticut obstacles but as low as possible. I made more than 10 rallys in Croatia as codriver and there is always big factor how many punctures you get through rally.
First on road will definetly be advantage.

[jcevc]

Edit: double post, sorry

[Mirek]

So here we are again. You like to be opponent, don´t you?

Can´t have two rallies? I strongly believe two wellorganized spectacular rallies, one in the winter, one in the summer and even more historic, is enough of argument having two rallies in Finland.

Even carmakers are well enough that intelligent knowing more cars are sold when winning. Not where they are winning.

No, it's not working like that.

[AnttiL]

I managed to predict the Arctic Rally Finland winner average speed quite accurately. Here's some reflection and comparing of the estimations and real data

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/02/28/checking-my-estimate-of-arctic-rally-finland-pace/

[AnttiL]

I didn't find any onboard from Friday and Saturday, didn't check Sunday. But they probably don't have time to install the kits between the legs.

They can't install kits during the rally. This comes from someone within WRC+.

[AnttiL]

- Adamo decided he will ask Solberg to drive WRC during PowerStage in Monte (weird... the power stage where Solberg went out before posting a single splittime?)

The power stage where he noticed Toyota is taking all the top positions.

[meh]

It's a bit off-topic here, but some more arguments or view-points for "too many rallies in the same region" and "car market is not big enough":
* corona - at the moment rallies are where someone is able to organize and deliver them, car market is not important
* previously Rally Estonia was not imaginable because "it's too close to Finland", now both are in calendar - car market in Estonia basically does not exist, it's equal to rounding-mistakes for big corporations. What is important - fans, attitude, environment, will to provide. I remember some sentences like - "finally rally is moving to places where it belongs and where it must go - close to fans and areas, where it's important and expected". You may organize rally in some "big car market country", but if nobody cares and it does not get media attention there, then what is the point?

[mknight]

The power stage where he noticed Toyota is taking all the top positions.

yeah that sounds like the best explanation.

EDIT: It also illustrates that Adamo's priority is Hyundai, always. Drivers are a tool to get Hyundai good result. (see Breen, Huttunen....)

[Mirek]

It's a bit off-topic here, but some more arguments or view-points for "too many rallies in the same region" and "car market is not big enough":
* corona - at the moment rallies are where someone is able to organize and deliver them, car market is not important

Exactly. Corona won't be a thing next year (hopefully) and all politics and marketing will get back to their rails.

Arctic was in the calendar purely and only because of the cancellation of Sweden due to corona. It's wrong to think there were other reasons.

[Rallyper]

It's a bit off-topic here, but some more arguments or view-points for "too many rallies in the same region" and "car market is not big enough":
* corona - at the moment rallies are where someone is able to organize and deliver them, car market is not important
* previously Rally Estonia was not imaginable because "it's too close to Finland", now both are in calendar - car market in Estonia basically does not exist, it's equal to rounding-mistakes for big corporations. What is important - fans, attitude, environment, will to provide. I remember some sentences like - "finally rally is moving to places where it belongs and where it must go - close to fans and areas, where it's important and expected". You may organize rally in some "big car market country", but if nobody cares and it does not get media attention there, then what is the point?

+10

That´s the way it is. Can be discussed further in another thread...

[Indreq]

+10

That´s the way it is. Can be discussed further in another thread...

Improving broadcasting possibilities level the field. Live broadcasts are regularly seen globally by many times more people that there are local spectators, so in terms of PR value, being at the location of bigger or smaller market has little importance these days. It was more important when live spectating was 90% of "visibility" sponsors got.

[PLuto]

Improving broadcasting possibilities level the field. Live broadcasts are regularly seen globally by many times more people that there are local spectators, so in terms of PR value, being at the location of bigger or smaller market has little importance these days. It was more important when live spectating was 90% of "visibility" sponsors got.

Currently the most important is how much money are organisers able to bring... Arctic is one exception as manufacturers were pushing to have one snow event.

[EstWRC]

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[EstWRC]

Tänak SS2 onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c97CyHV5jIA

[Lead]

For everyone who is interested can check out Mikkelsen's newest vlog episode. He explains why he had no chance in Skoda against Lappi and Polo. Seems really frustrated.

[dimviii]

For everyone who is interested can check out Mikkelsen's newest vlog episode. He explains why he had no chance in Skoda against Lappi and Polo. Seems really frustrated.

give us the link

[mknight]

https://youtu.be/753Lc3AuEMA

He complains about the exact thing I mentioned on Saturday when watching the few corners we saw on allive.

In long (tightening) corners he was correcting mid-corner with handbrake to make the car turn. Also says the reason he did better on power stage was that the road was mostly wider.

[AnttiL]

WRC2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM7ytbcqPec&ab_channel=FIAWorldRallyChampionship

WRC3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqhWHQ9J0j8

there you go finally

[SubaruNorway]

Unless i heard wrong Gus talks about running low downforce on slower stages like SS1/2 in the highlights, surprised me because normally you run high downforce on low speed and grip tracks in F1.

[dimviii]

Oliver Solberg
@OliverSolberg01

It was really cool seeing all your support and comments on social media during the Arctic Rally, it’s really appreciated!
One of the funniest things I kept seeing was the comparison to my dad - not just driving style but facial expression too!

#LikeFatherLikeSon


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvaXIg3WQAUcW7Z?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvaXIgtWYAMxNyy?format=jpg&name=900x900

[samzon100]

Photos Arctic Rally Finland Powered by CapitalBox 26-28.02.2021 8)
SS1, SS2, SS4, SS6, SS9 ja SS10

https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Arctic+Rally+Finland+Powered+by+CapitalBox+02.21/

[giù tutto!]

Ok, Arctic Rally Finland is done.

All in all, extremely fantastic and exciting event! Have to say, Mads Östberg is one of the best commentator I have ever heard. Excellent work from him again!

I was surprised how well the drivers managed to keep the cars on the road, but it seemed that the snowbanks were hard enough to save them many, many times. It looked a little bit bad in the shakedown, but the snowbanks seemed to be softer over there. For a moment I was worried if none of them would survive from the stages without the shovel.
Also, it was good that there was only one totally blocked stage (ss4 Kaihuavaara by Lindholm). As many spectators noticed behind the screen, there were only few places to spin without blocking the stage. As I thought earlier, the humidity in February was better for rallying so the drivers didn’t need to drive in the snow dust. I cannot even imagine what kind of whining there could have been in that case.

It’s important to remember that the event was build up in six weeks. If you want to have a winter rally, you have to make the plans before it’s snowing at first time before the winter. It’s a crucial thing to open the roads by snowplow immediately when the first snow come. Then there is a possibility to have the road covered by ice on the natural way. If the roads are opened by snowplow too late and there will be no plus degrees and no melting, the road will be destroyed completely without the natural ice if it used in rally. This is the reason also, why the organizer had to use the same stages which were used in the Finnish Rally Championship round in January. It’s good to remember also, that it is completely normal that the gravel will come out when such a number of rally cars have driven through the stage. It’s happening every time in the winter rallies and everyone who has participated such events are familiar with that. I was quite a surprised when I heard some drivers moaning about that. The only way to keep the stages on perfect conditions for the first fifteen cars is to drive the stages only once. But it sounded already too scary for some of the drivers to drive on these stages for the first time. Some of them said that can’t push because don’t know the road…wtf??? They have done the recce, they have the pace notes. The best, the fastest and the bravest driver set the fastest time, that is the name of the game. It looks like the WRC drivers have used to drive the same stages year after year and immediately when there is something completely new, they become uncertain. I found that weird.

On that area there are plenty of roads which have been used in the Arctic Lapland Rally. It’s not a problem to arrange the rally with the stages driven only once. Because the timing of the Arctic Rally Finland, the whole military area next to the Sarriojärvi stage was out of question. There is major military exercise during that time on every year which is one of the reasons why the ALR is in January. In the ALR there are many stages on that military area. Next to the Vanttauskoski and Kemijärvi there are many stages which have been not used even in the ALR for many years. But as I wrote earlier, the organizer needs to know before winter which stages are needed for the proper natural ice cover. If we are thinking about the countries which could be possible locations for the WRC winter event, the first thing is that the country needs to have a culture and experience about the winter rallies. Otherwise, it’s a disaster, the snow & ice is not the only needed element for the successful winter rally event.

One thing which cannot been seen from the footage of the helicopter camera. The stages of the area have always been very famous about the huge number of crests. In the day light there are lots of them, but when driven in the dark, the number of crests which cut the sight of light are doubled. In the speed which is used on those stages you really need to know which is the last crest before the braking point. It has always been a very difficult job for the beginners with the pace notes to find and understand which crests to mark on your pace notes and which ones not. If you put all of those crests to your pace notes, it’s too much. It is very demanding for the co-driver to read them in the correct rhythm and even more demanding for the driver to understand in which crest is that and how many of them are still to come before the 90-degree corner. During the years there have been plenty of high-speed offs when the driver and the co-driver have not been on the same crest of the pace note book.

There are lot of height differences on that area also which are very difficult to understand even from the onboard footage if you haven’t been on those stages. For example, on the Sarriojärvi stage there is downhill flat out with bump in the middle of it and after that it continues flat out through the left hander over couple of crests and that section ends to the 90-degree junction to the right. Back in the days the drivers with the Gr.N Mitsubishis reached the top speed of 212km/h after the downhill and the bravest didn’t lift the right foot before the braking point for the junction. From the onboard footage it seemed quite mild now. It’s good to understand still that the top speed is not the most important thing on those stages. In 2012 when Esapekka Lappi won the Arctic Lapland Rally with s2000 Fiesta, his top speed was 174km/h against Juha Salo’s Mitsubishi Gr.N and others. The Aittajärvi stage, which was the Power Stage also, has always been a perfect test to find out who is brave and who is not. It may be looked easy if watch the stage times how close they were each other. But can be noticed on that stage more than once that the body language of the drivers was more nervous comparing to the slower events. If you ever have an opportunity to drive through these stages in the wintertime, it is worth of every cent. Then you understand the challenge and the magic of the Arctic Rally Finland.

[dimviii]

. Back in the days the drivers with the Gr.N Mitsubishis reached the top speed of 212km/h after the downhill and the bravest didn’t lift the right foot before the braking point for the junction.

give us a link with a Mitsu onboard at this point.

[dimviii]

open the volume.Rally magic
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1366457766341210118

[AnttiL]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2021-arctic-rally-finland-driver-ratings/

Here we go...I can agree with everything except Greensmith 7/10 (Suninen 5/10 is fair if car performance is included in the grade)

[steve.mandzij]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2021-arctic-rally-finland-driver-ratings/

Here we go...I can agree with everything except Greensmith 7/10 (Suninen 5/10 is fair if car performance is included in the grade)I think Ott if anyone deserved the 10, he was absolutely commanding all weekend; Oliver had a great debut, among the better ones in recent memory, but not quite a 10 from me.

And honestly, I'd have rated Ogier lower.

[masa90]

That rating of Ford team drivers is a joke. Should be Teemu 6 or 7 and Greensmith 5 or 6 depending on how they rated Teemu.

Both drove clean rally with a slow car. Yet the worse with huge difference in pace is rated 2 spots above. What bs really.

[TypeR]

That rating of Ford team drivers is a joke. Should be Teemu 6 or 7 and Greensmith 5 or 6 depending on how they rated Teemu.

Both drove clean rally with a slow car. Yet the worse with huge difference in pace is rated 2 spots above. What bs really.
With Toyota or Hyundai they would have been 1-2 with at least 30s lead..

Let me correct you..
Both drove clean AND slow rally (especially Teemu at his home rally).

*Teemu 6 or 7 for what..? lol

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2021-arctic-rally-finland-driver-ratings/

Here we go...I can agree with everything except Greensmith 7/10 (Suninen 5/10 is fair if car performance is included in the grade)

Not much point to argue about +-1 points, but most I am fine with, except Greensmith.



I think Ott if anyone deserved the 10, he was absolutely commanding all weekend; Oliver had a great debut, among the better ones in recent memory, but not quite a 10 from me.

And honestly, I'd have rated Ogier lower.

Tanak can't get 10 when he ended 4th on Power Stage.

Oliver for me is like 9,5 ish too, Suninen (Poland 2017) and before that Ogier's debut are a level above. That said it's hard to do exceptional single stage times when conditions are basically the same whole rally and all stages are 20-30km.

Ogier is ok for me because of what he did on PS.

[T16]

Greensmith the same as Evans??
Clark clearly doesn’t understand how to award based on the event in question.
Instead he seems to be trying to fluff up Greensmith because he wasn’t quite as shit as last time.
And using ‘not long in a car of this spec’ as an excuse... pretty sure Oliver Solberg’s performance pisses on that drivel.

[doubled1978]

That rating of Ford team drivers is a joke. Should be Teemu 6 or 7 and Greensmith 5 or 6 depending on how they rated Teemu.

Both drove clean rally with a slow car. Yet the worse with huge difference in pace is rated 2 spots above. What bs really.

Seems a bit harsh on Suninen, he made no obvious mistakes and it’s difficult to know the level of the car. Same for Greensmith in honesty, apart from the first stage. How much was their limit and how much was the cars limit?

[EstWRC]

meh....

Greensmith 7? what the?

Breen 8? he had 2 good stages, first stage and last stage, on all the others he lost a lot of time and visited snowbanks, yet they give him 8 basically what he did on power stage (they praised him a lot bcs of that on yesterdays verdict video) , since when one stage means more than performance during the whole rally? (yes i get it he hasnt been in the car for a long time but Craig was disappointed with himself too)

for Kalle i would give 7 or 8, he was second and gets the same amount of points as winner? or if he has 9 then Tänak def should be 10

[steve.mandzij]

Not much point to argue about +-1 points, but most I am fine with, except Greensmith.




Tanak can't get 10 when he ended 4th on Power Stage.

Oliver for me is like 9,5 ish too, Suninen (Poland 2017) and before that Ogier's debut are a level above. That said it's hard to do exceptional single stage times when conditions are basically the same whole rally and all stages are 20-30km.

Ogier is ok for me because of what he did on PS.

Giving the PS extra weight over the rest of the stages is nonsense to me. Sure, it gives additional points, but it's just a bonus feature. It's in practice just another stage and without that Ogier was absolutely nowhere all weekend. No doubt he was hampered by road position but he didn't ever really gel with the car all weekend.

Oliver did great but just as expected, IMO. Kept it on the road and set some quick times but with the odd (again, expected) mistake. A 10 would have been flawless, which it wasn't quite.

It'd have been cool to see WRC2 ratings, too. Esapekka Lappi deserved the biggest 10 of all.

[Mirek]

Guys, Dirtfish rating is nothing more than a worthless clickbait.

[cali]

Guys you're expecting too much from Colin Clark. He's irrelevant anyways as the real life shows that it's way off again.

EDIT: Mirek beat me by few minutes

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[cali]

Guys, Dirtfish rating is nothing more than a worthless clickbait.Yes, I would not pay too much attention for that

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[Sulland]

Guys you're expecting too much from Colin Clark. He's irrelevant anyways as the real life shows that it's way off again.

I do not always agree with Colin, but I miss his kitchen table podcast. I think Evans can be too serious sometimes. But they are good together.

The driver rating was also done in Autosport, and they are brits.....

I quite like Dirtfish, and hope they can continue to evolve.

[mknight]

for Kalle i would give 7 or 8, he was second and gets the same amount of points as winner? or if he has 9 then Tänak def should be 10

It was Rovanperas best ever result and 2nd ever podium.



Giving the PS extra weight over the rest of the stages is nonsense to me. Sure, it gives additional points, but it's just a bonus feature.


I can't agree, PS is important due to extra points which can be quite big, ex. Tanak "lost" 3 points which is same as difference between 2nd and 3rd, 5 win points are better than 8th place in a rally. It is also imo in a way harder to do cause you want to go as fast as possible...yet finish and not lose a position. Though yes, it's not the same when you are on superrally like Ogier and have nothing to lose, but then again you have worse starting position.




It'd have been cool to see WRC2 ratings, too. Esapekka Lappi deserved the biggest 10 of all.

9 for same reason as Tanak, no PS win, also for actually spending time in snowbank when there was no reason to push, that could go either way. Though better "9" than Tanak.

Mikkelsen 7 ish, car was visibly struggling and PS win.
Gryazin 8 ish, specially after the crash on rally before
Brynildsen 8-9, he rarely ever drives and came on moments notice
Veiby 4, it was his 5th snow rally in a row including doing the Arctic 4 weeks ago
Fourmaux 4-5, more like 5 cause he really has little experience on this and Fiesta is likely not that great (see Grøndal). Best 6th stage time, 2 times in snow bank. Kind of harsh reality check after driving the WRC, announcing Redbull partnership and start in Croatia.

Poor Huttunen, when everything looked so bright again after Monza they fast-track Solberg ahead of him and the car fails immediately and both Loubet and Breen show decent times. He surely is the most unlucky guy ever.
I didn't follow the other Rally2s.


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The idea of ratings is good for me. Sure it's an "opinion" and not precise measure. Still much better than just articles that take single quotes from press-conference and make them huge news, and without a doubt better than just silence.
That said there is not much point in taking the ratings too seriously off course.

[dimviii]

the only good about these ratings is that creates discussion.

[the sniper]

the only good about these ratings is that creates discussion.

I suppose that's the point really, we should just accept it on those terms.

[giù tutto!]

give us a link with a Mitsu onboard at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0KwXT08v8Q

Here is OBC from Juha Salo's R4 Mitsubishi in the Arctic Lapland Rally 2013. The Sarriojärvi was ss7 and on that year the lenght was 36,35km. The section I mentioned starts from 9:16. Juha miss the exit with wide slide on the last flat right before the steep downhill, but there is still +200km/h something in the dash at the end of downhill. Another interesting point in terms of speed is the short wide road section, which starts from 5:45. After the flat over the crest there is in the dash something like 206km/h before the braking.

Here is Tänak's OBC from the ARF 2021 ss2, the same steep downhill starts from 8:35

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrcplus/arctic-rally-finland-onboard-of-the-rally/?fbclid=IwAR0RSoF1Hh0zU0GsHeV-4KgEX4aoLGWalhTFaiImcl7OhODRfPK0YFO32WU

[EstWRC]

https://www.wrcwings.tech/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/topten-1.jpg


taken from here, Aero chronicle of Arctic Rally Finland 2021 https://www.wrcwings.tech/2021/03/01/aero-chronicle-of-arctic-rally-finland-2021/

[AnttiL]

for Kalle i would give 7 or 8, he was second and gets the same amount of points as winner? or if he has 9 then Tänak def should be 10

I think the points are given in reference to the level where the drivers were before the rally. Tänak should have been more dominant and/or win power stage in order to get a 10/10. Meanwhile, for Kalle this was already a career-best result with small mistakes. I think this makes sense for these ratings, otherwise you could just give 10 to winner, 9 to second and so on.

Actually, Greensmith could even consider 7/10 as an insult if he wants to progress as a driver and not view being the slowest WRC driver as a good result

[EstWRC]

I think the points are given in reference to the level where the drivers were before the rally. Tänak should have been more dominant and/or win power stage in order to get a 10/10. Meanwhile, for Kalle this was already a career-best result with small mistakes. I think this makes sense for these ratings, otherwise you could just give 10 to winner, 9 to second and so on.

this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

8 maximum in my eyes for him.


but ok, we all have our opinions.

[AnttiL]

this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

8 maximum in my eyes for him.


but ok, we all have our opinions.

I'm fine with Tänak 10 and Rovanperä 8, but the point remains that they are based on the driver's initial level. No reason to get dramatic over it :)

[satnav]

this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

8 maximum in my eyes for him.


but ok, we all have our opinions.

As you finished off EstWRC , that is the real point behind a Forum for information sharing and chat and if we didn't have an opinion there wouldn't be much said.

We all need to have opinions otherwise life would be very dull.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/status/1366717237663584257

SS4 Kaihuavaara had this super fast which lasts for 11.13 km. Evans's time on this section was 4:20, timed from onboards (average speed 154 km/h). Suninen lost 12 seconds to him on this section. During the whole 19 km stage he lost 13.4 seconds, meaning that during the more twisty and technical 8 km he only lost around one second to Evans.

This is some indication about the performance of the Fiesta, how it suffers on fast sections but is still competitive on technical sections.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dirtfish says the Fiesta engine was its weakness on these fast stages:

Greensmith and Suninen were at a disadvantage to their Hyundai and Toyota World Rally Car rivals last weekend however, with M-Sport’s Ford Fiesta not as quick as Hyundai’s i20 or Toyota’s Yaris on the fast stages in part as a consequence of a lack of development budget.

“It’s not quite been our weekend, but we know where we are losing and where we need to improve,” said M-Sport team principal Richard Millener.

“We’re still competitive in the right conditions, and we saw some good times from Teemu and Gus in the more technical split sections where we know we can be quick.”

[meh]

DirtFish has a fantastic initiative - what you can do here. If rally is over - make new topic: "<Rally name> Driver Ratings" - and you can discuss (read: fight) here till next rally without getting bored ;)

[AnttiL]

Suninen confirmed on twitch that Ford has the longest gear ratio of the current WRC cars.

He also says the chassis needs to work on fast speeds

[dimviii]

Suninen confirmed on twitch that Ford has the longest gear ratio of the current WRC cars.

weakest engine with longer gear ratio? strange!
usually weak engines goes with shorter gear ratios

[Mirek]

weakest engine with longer gear ratio? strange!
usually weak engines goes with shorter gear ratios


Suninen confirmed on twitch that Ford has the longest gear ratio of the current WRC cars.

He also says the chassis needs to work on fast speeds

Exactly. It makes no sense whatsoever to combine weak engine with the longest gears hence why I do believe the real issue was not the engine because I don't think they are stupid in M-Sport. It seems like they just didn't get everything together as good as other teams and that long gearing is probably one of the miscalcullations.


@ Eddie: Nice that you post bullshit comments about me on places where I'm not (twitter). Someone just told me...

[denkimi]

It's not a weak engine, it's the same engine as before. It's just weaker than the other because they have improved.

And i wouldn't be suprised if m-sport uses old gearboxes, just like they use old engines. They have nothing to win this year, they are just participating.

[AnttiL]

Maybe they are lacking in torque on long corners because of the combination of the engine and the long gear ratio? As we know, the engine peak powers rarely increase, but they can increase torque where it's needed for the drivers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport's engine isnt the most powerful, hence the coming upgrade.

Isnt a long gear ratio good for when there are long maximum speed sections like the Arctic ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@ Eddie: Nice that you post bullshit comments about me on places where I'm not (twitter). Someone just told me...

Not BS, my opinion that your opinion was wrong.

If you have facts tell them, otherwise dont state opinion as fact.

[Mirek]

Isnt a long gear ratio good for when there are long maximum speed sections like the Arctic ?

The event was won by the car with the shortest gear ratios of all.

Look at Rally2. There is most likely negligible difference between Polo and Fabia engines. Polo was faster. Why? I don't know but clearly not because of the engine. Which one had longer gearbox? Fabia. Is it a coincidence? Maybe. For sure such long gearing as M-Sport used, was a mistake.

[Jeppe]

The event was won by the car with the shortest gear ratios of all.

Look at Rally2. There is most likely negligible difference between Polo and Fabia engines. Polo was faster. Why? I don't know but clearly not because of the engine. Which one had longer gearbox? Fabia. Is it a coincidence? Maybe. For sure such long gearing as M-Sport used, was a mistake.

Doesn´t anyone count drivers anymore? ;)
E-P and Printsport are a winning combination.

[Mirek]

Maybe they are lacking in torque on long corners because of the combination of the engine and the long gear ratio? As we know, the engine peak powers rarely increase, but they can increase torque where it's needed for the drivers.

Sure lack of torque and too long gearing is wrong combination but it's so obviously wrong that one must ask why would someone select that?

I have only few ideas why that would be possible and still be somewhat logical. Either they tested on a wrong track which didn't have a character of Arctic stages and didn't get the right feedback or they changed something last minute which had trown a pitchfork into their previous effort and ruined all what they did before - could be for example last minute change in aero setup. Or they used wrong setup just to use parts they already had available to save money.

I don't know, IMHO it must have been a combination of more things. Everybody likes to speak about engine or gearing but aero, differentials, suspension, everything playes an important role. As I said before - I don't believe that people working in M-Sport are stupid, hence why I hesitate to accept that easiest but rather stupid explanation.


Doesn´t anyone count drivers anymore? ;)
E-P and Printsport are a winning combination.

That's for sure right. I just wanted to use that example that long gearing didn't always make the car faster on fast events and in this case both cars had basically same performing engine ;)

Otherwise I mentioned before that I guess that Printsport know-how has played probably larger role than general difference betwen Polo and Fabia ;)

[JAP]

Suninen estimated that at the moment they have 5-10 hp less power than the competition. Once they have the new engine he believes that all the cars are within 1-2 hp of each other. He did not comment about the shape of the power curves.

From what I gathered he felt the high speed performance issues were more about suspension development and coming up with setup that would work both with and without the aero loads. At present he said that they are struggling when speeds start to rise above 120 km/h. He seemed quite frustrated by lack of testing and availability new parts to test when they do have tests. He said he had once even brought his own Reiger dampers to a test because he wanted to try something new, but in the end they did not choose those.

Do any of you know how many gear ratios are homologated for WRC cars? Or can they be chosen freely?

[Rallyper]

You are right about there´s more, Mirek. Economy, drivers, available parts, money again.

However knowing their engine is a bit less powerful maybe made them play a game with gear ratios in ARF. Because enginepower matters, believe the guys telling that on forum.

However most of all it could´ve been driversmaterial in the end. Anyway, Malcolm Wilson have to step up, that´s for sure.

[Mirek]

However knowing their engine is a bit less powerful maybe made them play a game in ARF. Because enginepower matters, believe the guys telling that on forum.

Why you put that in my mouth? I have never said so. I have stated that peak power has nothing to do with top speed of WRC cars and that loosing time in high speed sections likely wasn't due to the engine alone.

[Rallyper]

Why you put that in my mouth? I have never said so. I have stated that peak power has nothing to do with top speed of WRC cars and that loosing time in high speed sections likely wasn't due to the engine alone.

Peak power is also power. Used on 6th gear on full speed it matters.

[AnttiL]

Peak power is also power. Used on 6th gear on full speed it matters.

But in rallying it's quite rarely used for longer times.

Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.

[Rallyper]

But in rallying it's quite rarely used for longer times.

Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.

Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?

[AnttiL]

Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?

Yes, hitting top speed is quite rare in today's rallying. I think I can say I've investigated enough routes and watched onboards to feel qualified to say that.

The Fiestas could also lose time in fast corners, maybe 5th gear corners, or accelerating from 5th to 6th gear. We don't have enough data to say it.

[TypeR]

Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?
Better don't start that discussion :D

[AnttiL]

Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.

At least the 760 metres final full acceleration of Kaihuavaara 1 doesn't make any difference between Evans, Neuville or Suninen. They all take exactly the same amount of time, 18.2 seconds.

Same thing on the ~1 km straight at the middle of Aittajärvi after the double junction. Rovanperä and Suninen are exactly equal.

My verdict is that when the cars accelerate on a straight road, they are quite equal. Cornering is where they have differences.

[Paul Hudson]

Maybe it is about the drivers not using the cars as efficiently and losing time compared to others.

[Oliverk]

What the hell are you guys on? Suninen said that Ford lacks aero on fast corners. Thats it. It's not rocket sience.

[TypeR]

Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?


What the hell are you guys on? Suninen said that Ford lacks aero on fast corners. Thats it. It's not rocket sience.

and there were too few corners to make time (difference) :D

Surprised that he is criticizing the car and everything else quite a lot.. rather than being more polite, taking some blame to himself also and sum up that they need to improve all together on fast rallies..

I could understand it, if he had been in top3 for many events and now going to snow rally, suddenly the car has lost all its performance..

Hyundais basically drove the whole event without rear aero details and it didn't really bother anybody.. drivers didn't mention anything about it in the interviews..
and times were there.

[AnttiL]

I could understand it, if he had been in top3 for many events and now going to snow rally, suddenly the car has lost all its performance..


It's not a sudden thing. The Fiestas have been rather slow in Finland 2018, very slow in Finland 2019, Estonia 2020 and now Arctic 2021. Also in Rally Estonia 2019 (non-WRC) Evans was mostly 0.4-0.8 s/km slower than the stage winners. Sadly we didn't get to see Evans's pace in Finland 2019 (to compare with Suninen).

In Poland 2017 and 2019 Suninen was making stage wins, and in Finland 2018 he was clearly faster than his teammates.



Hyundais basically drove the whole event without rear aero details and it didn't really bother anybody.. drivers didn't mention anything about it in the interviews..
and times were there.

Missing one piece of the aero doesn't mean it's suddenly not working at all. There was even a theory that they deliberately wanted to get rid of those rear side fenders.

[dimviii]

Suninen is not a stable driver,so take with a pint of salt whatever he says.This doesnt mean that fiesta has a top engine of course.
Imho thats not the problem,or at least its not the major problem.
i am pretty sure if we could give him 10bhp more and 5kgm torque more,nothing would be changed.
Same for Evans at Arctic.Same for Greensmith.

[Mirek]

I'm personally inclining to what JAP wrote - that the main issue may be in the suspension not working properly with heavy downforce load, i.e. with growing speed. From what we have seen so far that seems to be a plausible explanation. Still it's just guessing and we will likely never know for sure.

[Tume88]

Actually Suninen said that dampers won't work like it should in high aero places and he thinks that biggest time differens comes from that area. He said that Ford is very Quick when conditions are worse because car is very easy to handle.

More twisty sections are better for Ford.

[JAP]

Designing suspensions that work in both high and low speeds in high aero cars is a common problem that is not easy to solve. Especially in the varying conditions of rallies. On tarmac the typical solutions involve third dampers and springs, but I assume that nothing like that is in use in WRC cars (?). Or active suspension if the rules would allow.

[dimviii]

I'm personally inclining to what JAP wrote - that the main issue may be in the suspension not working properly with heavy downforce load, i.e. with growing speed. From what we have seen so far that seems to be a plausible explanation. Still it's just guessing and we will likely never know for sure.

and plenty of possible other reasons.
Example Evans at Arctic.
Proven car,proven driver,proven engine,last year snow rally winner,and this year he was lost,without know which was the problem,and failing to fix it through 3 days.
Go figure now about Suninen.
just a reminder,Suninen crashed at stage 1 at last rally,and M-sport heads were a bit hard at their speech.

[cali]

Actually Suninen said that dampers won't work like it should in high aero places and he thinks that biggest time differens comes from that area. He said that Ford is very Quick when conditions are worse because car is very easy to handle.

More twisty sections are better for Ford.Thanks, this sounds more reasonable and logical.

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[masa90]

Teemu is hard to "judge" because he currently has no real measure in team. He was pretty close to Lappi I think last year.

I believe he is really potential and if possible I think Ford should really see this trough. Has potential to do a "Evans" and "Tänak" kinda resurrection. The guy has serious speed in there.

[cali]

Designing suspensions that work in both high and low speeds in high aero cars is a common problem that is not easy to solve. Especially in the varying conditions of rallies. On tarmac the typical solutions involve third dampers and springs, but I assume that nothing like that is in use in WRC cars (?). Or active suspension if the rules would allow.Thank you for your input on this matter. You sound like you know more details, are you involved in rallying?

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[dimviii]

This was why I was so frustrated on the powerstage – I wanted to fight with Sébastien. I know it’s totally stupid and nonsense, but I had this real hope to try to beat him in the last stage.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-solberg-thought-of-his-world-rally-car-debut/

[cali]

Teemu is hard to "judge" because he currently has no real measure in team. He was pretty close to Lappi I think last year.

I believe he is really potential and if possible I think Ford should really see this trough. Has potential to do a "Evans" and "Tänak" kinda resurrection. The guy has serious speed in there.I agree with this but with a pinch of salt. Yes he shows here and there really big flashes of speed and the next thing he is dropping tens of seconds every stage. Go figure but instability, lack of testing, a lesser car has something to do as well

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[Mirek]

On tarmac the typical solutions involve third dampers and springs, but I assume that nothing like that is in use in WRC cars (?). Or active suspension if the rules would allow.

AFAIK nothing of that is allowed.

[dimviii]

active shocks were banned from xsara days if i remember correct

[Neige]

An interview with Lithuanian crew from Arctic Lapland Rally:

https://rally-week.com/v-jurkevicius-a-paliukenas-arctic-rally-finland/

[Hartusvuori]

An interview with Lithuanian crew from Arctic Lapland Rally:

https://rally-week.com/v-jurkevicius-a-paliukenas-arctic-rally-finland/

We saw the high speed spin of this crew on SS10. It was a jump on a narrow road and they jumped too sideways, hit the snow bank while landing and spun. The car stopped some 60-70 meters later facing the wrong direction. It was too narrow to turn. It was just me and my friend and one other tabard photographer at the scene. I ran towards the start to warn/stop the next cars and the other tabard guy were warning after the jump. As the mirrors of Fabia were full of snow, the driver started to reverse and my friend was guiding him with hand signals. About 200-250 meters further there was one of the escape pockets where they could turn the car around. About 5-6 cars went through on warning. Lauri Joona got some time compensation as they were the next car to arrive and had to stop.

If the crew need some pictures from the moment they got to continue, I can help with that.

[Neige]

Thanks for the story!

I'll ask them about photos ;)

[dimviii]

Organizer wants Arctic return – but not at all costs

Clerk of the course Kai Tarkiainen wants to bring the WRC back to the Arctic, but not in place of summer's Rally Finland

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/arctic-organizers-want-wrc-return-but-not-at-all-costs/

[Rallyper]

Finland have the capacity to organize two rallies per season, if they are allowed. No doubt.

They have many upsides. Same people doing events. Clear structure on everything needed, weather it is in Rovaniemi or Jyväskylä. Efficient work with people knowing how rallies should be organized.

And I have inside info they have no problems doing it twice a year.

Wrote this a couple of weeks ago...