[WRC] Arctic Rally 2021

[AnttiL]

Evans a bit faster than Ogier on first split. 1.4s.

[EstWRC]

Ogier so much sideways or is it just me

[AnttiL]

Ogier's first split is 2.6 seconds faster than on first run.

3.6 on split 2.

[er88]

Poor Seb could get absolutely hammered in this stage

[Mirek]

Could that top speed be the car wheels in the air on a crest? The top speeds are rarely over 190 km/h.

They were in rpm limiter on the sraight hence there should be nearly no difference to jumping (just wheel slip).

EDIT: 190 km/h on the limiter for Neuville.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Studs sparking on the gravel now.

[dimviii]

They were in rpm limiter on the sraight hence there should be nearly no difference to jumping (just wheel slip).

EDIT: 190 km/h on the limiter for Neuville.

so the official wrc.site was wrong at both average and top speed.

[Mirek]

so the official wrc.site was wrong at both average and top speed.

Katsuta just reached 195 km/h on the live and it didn't sound like rpm limiter.

[AnttiL]

Ogier only 0.5s faster on SS2 than SS1.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Epic shots from the end of stage cameras.

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä quickest so far but Tänak flying

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle not happy !

[dimviii]

wow Tanaks splits!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Epic shots from the end of stage cameras.

Yes, you can clearly see the sparks from the front tyre studs. Kalle was understeering badly into the last corner.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bit better from Greensmith.

[Mirek]

I don't know if for Tänak can gain today more than he may loose tomorrow starting first.

Good time for Greensmith now.

[meh]

Solberg is going too fast...

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville
@thierryneuville
⏱
SS2


"With the conditions we had in the stage, I'm quite satisfied. I had a bit of understeering at the end and we are still working on our communication with Martijn."

[EstWRC]

I don't know if for Tänak can gain today more than he may loose tomorrow starting first.

Good time for Greensmith now.

he doesnt star first

[dupanton]

Neuville having to correct the rythm of the notes. I heard a "wait wait" in the stage.
Guess he lost some pace on this stage with a lack of confidence in the codriver (which is completely logical btw)

[EstWRC]

Oliver coming nicely so far

[dupanton]

Suninen seems a bit lost... :( He should be up there with with Rovanpera at least with his starting positions.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not bad by Teemu.

[Mirek]

he doesnt star first

My bad of course. Sorry :D

[EstWRC]

Tänak said he felt the tyres were gone already after 10kms and tried to manage (he had 1 spare compared to his main rivals)

[AnttiL]

Suninen seems a bit lost... :( He should be up there with with Rovanpera at least with his starting positions.

No, the Fiesta cannot just match the other cars on the fast sections.

[er88]

Take a bow Oliver

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great time Oliver !

[Lead]

Flat out by Oliver at the end :D

[meh]

Solberg is going too fast...

Huuh... at the end. Impressive.

[dimviii]

nice time from Oliver.

[EstWRC]

that was a good Oliver!

[Augury]

Puncture for Loubet.

[Mirek]

Loubet changed tyre

[dupanton]

No, the Fiesta cannot just match the other cars on the fast sections.

0.26s/km faster than Greensmith in the same car with a better starting position. I don't think it's a very good stage...

But Solberg, wow. Fast and spectacular!

[AnttiL]

Great job from Oliver

[TypeR]

It's good that Solberg shows the pace and not only safely-thru driving..

[Sulland]

Oliver playing with the car on his second stage in the car, cool.
But it is also easy to get to cool too soon, and showel snow for 30 min.

[AnttiL]

0.26s/km faster than Greensmith in the same car with a better starting position. I don't think it's a very good stage...


I'd rather say Greensmith drove relatively well compared to his usual level. Teemu said he was on his limit and cannot do more. Starting position difference is not that big between them.

[meh]

oeh this WRC+, is there some finnish rally radio at least?

[Vepe]

oeh this WRC+, is there some finnish rally radio at least?

Yes: https://areena.yle.fi/tv/suorat/yle-areena/1-50755317

[meh]

Yes: https://areena.yle.fi/tv/suorat/yle-areena/1-50755317

Kiitos!

[AnttiL]

oeh this WRC+, is there some finnish rally radio at least?

https://areena.yle.fi/tv/suorat/yle-areena/1-50755317

[wwbroe]

Again Lappi, Gryazin and Lindholm doing good on the stage, as well as Mikkelsen

[AnttiL]

Johnston has lost 7 minutes

[meh]

Kaur is keeping Lappi's pace till split 4.. but may catch Ekström.. :/

9sec down on split 5

[AnttiL]

Johnston has lost 7 minutes

Went into a snowbank

[PLuto]

Kaur is keeping Lappi's pace till split 4..

Kaur was always fast on fast snow/gravel stages.

[EstWRC]

Damn Kaur +18 in the end

[er88]

Lappi must be driving well, shame we haven't seen or heard anything

[Essaj]

Lappi must be driving well, shame we haven't seen or heard anything

He's been pretty chill on Finnish ralliradio. Also says that has pace reserved if needed.

[focus206]

When will the rally leader start first on the road? SS6, I hope?

[Essaj]

When will the rally leader start first on the road? SS6, I hope?

Never

[TypeR]

When will the rally leader start first on the road? SS6, I hope?

I doubt 12 WRC cars retire on SS3-5...

[mknight]

Østberg was saying that road position is very important even for Rally2 cars, cause they are narrower and have different lines.

Guess we'll see tomorrow when the WRC2 rally leader starts first.

[focus206]

Right, I meant to ask when the starting order will be reversed or whatever. You know what I mean.

[dimviii]

Damn Kaur +18 in the end

Karlip

Small front-end damage for @KaurMotorsport
's Egon Kaur in SS2. Snow blocked the radiator resulting in reduced power. Still, 3rd fastest in #WRC3 and 3rd overall!

[meh]

Seems, that Takamoto and Rovanperä are wearing Oura rings.

[erikli2]

.. Why did Thierry speak German? Have I missed something? ��

[flat_right]

https://streamable.com/mmx6q4

Uploaded Kalle’s small off from ss1

[mknight]

.. Why did Thierry speak German? Have I missed something? ��

He did this also in Monte and I think in Monza. When asked to speak in "non-english" language he speaks German. Dunno why, normally he speaks French.

[Mirek]

.. Why did Thierry speak German? Have I missed something? ��

AFAIK German is his native language. He's from the small German speaking Belgian minority.

[denkimi]

Right, I meant to ask when the starting order will be reversed or whatever. You know what I mean.
Tomorrow morning. SS3.

[dimviii]

Media Zone: Rovanperä

"A really disappointing start to the rally. The first stage was my mistake, but the second stage was really disappointing with the gravel.



"We have to do something with the setup for tomorrow because on the second loop - when we have a lot of gravel lines - the car is understeering and I am using the front tyres too much.



"It's not too disappointing if you see we are still third, but it's really disappointing because the feeling in the car is not good."


Breen

"It's nice. These conditions are quite unique and it's definitely something special to doing 200kph in the woods in the pitch dark!



"I had a very good start position and I don't think I took the full benefit. On the second one, I think I tried a bit too hard and completely lost the studs towards the end.



"Absence makes the heart frow fonder maybe, and I feel a lot more comfortable now that I have a programme and I know what I'm doing."

[itix]

AFAIK German is his native language. He's from the small German speaking Belgian minority.Correct.

French is his second and flemmish is his third. English is technically his fourth.

[dimviii]

Media Zone: Tänak

"It's still very early, so there's no reason yet to think about anything. It's been a typical rollercoaster for Finland - it's very technical with up and down stages.

"The car balance can be better, so there's definitely still things to do. Everything can change tomorrow, we just need to stay focussed and keep pushing."

[dimviii]

WRCWings
@llluis555
·
27m
Top speeds at the long straight at km 11 of SS1 today at Arctic @RallyFinland

203 km/h Suninen, Greensmith, Evans, Katsuta, Bertelli
201 km/h Rovanperä
197 km/h Mikkelsen
195 km/h Tänak, Neuville, Breen
194 km/h Loubet
185 km/h Fourmaux
#WRClive #WRCliveES #ArcticRallyFinland

[Ucci]

WRCWings
@llluis555
·
27m
Top speeds at the long straight at km 11 of SS1 today at Arctic @RallyFinland

203 km/h Suninen, Greensmith, Evans, Katsuta, Bertelli
201 km/h Rovanperä
197 km/h Mikkelsen
195 km/h Tänak, Neuville, Breen
194 km/h Loubet
185 km/h Fourmaux
#WRClive #WRCliveES #ArcticRallyFinland

3x Fiesta's fastest?? That engine still has power....

[mknight]

or they have different gear ratios?

[Essaj]

3x Fiesta's fastest?? That engine still has power....

Or just longer gear ratio.

[TypeR]

3x Fiesta's fastest?? That engine still has power....
And that should end the stories about Fiesta being far away w their engine..
Lappi would be showing top5 times with Ford here..
,,it's the driver'' is the reason, not the lack of Fiesta's power..

[SubaruNorway]

And that should end the stories about Fiesta being far away w their engine..
Lappi would be showing top5 times with Ford here..
,,it's the driver'' is the reason, not the lack of Fiesta's power..

Pretty sure you could get your Ford Mondeo up to 220kph down that long straight...

[Mirek]

And that should end the stories about Fiesta being far away w their engine..
Lappi would be showing top5 times with Ford here..
,,it's the driver'' is the reason, not the lack of Fiesta's power..

No. On a straight where all cars reach RPM limiter the stop speed is only about gearing and nothing else.

You can use the achieved speed to somewhat judge the engine but only if RPM limiter is not reached.

[scn]

https://streamable.com/mmx6q4

Uploaded Kalle’s small off from ss1

Kalle's time loss is 15''. Without it he would be very close to Tanak.

[mistral206]

Kalle's time loss is 15''. Without it he would be very close to Tanak.

Witout mistakes Tänak had been a double champ at least


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[TypeR]

Pretty sure you could get your Ford Mondeo up to 220kph down that long straight...
Pretty sure I would like to see and buy Moyendo that gains speed on icy road better than WRC car on 7mm studs..

Current Fiesta WRC would be competetive enough with a fast driver..

Solberg showed good pace on SS2..
It's better to show top 3-5 times on stages and crash, rather than crawling the car to the end..

All the Hyundais had lost their aero, but still didn't lose 3 days..

[cali]

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[cali]

Pretty sure I would like to see and buy Moyendo that gains speed on icy road better than WRC car on 7mm studs..

Current Fiesta WRC would be competetive enough with a fast driver..

Solberg showed good pace on SS2..
It's better to show top 3-5 times on stages and crash, rather than crawling the car to the end..

All the Hyundais had lost their aero, but still didn't lose 3 days..Wow all these conclusions based on 1 straight and 2 stages. Bravo!

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[TypeR]

Pretty sure you could get your Ford Mondeo up to 220kph down that long straight...


Wow all these conclusions based on 1 straight and 2 stages. Bravo!

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Bravo!

[TypeR]

My point is that Ford isn't suddenly so shiyuwamba as everybody thinks.. I bet that in 2022 they will surprise everybody... AGAIN.

[AnttiL]

3x Fiesta's fastest?? That engine still has power....

These speeds are from GPS, not the real telemetry

[AnttiL]

And that should end the stories about Fiesta being far away w their engine..
Lappi would be showing top5 times with Ford here..
,,it's the driver'' is the reason, not the lack of Fiesta's power..

Even if they have that top speed through lobg gear ratios, rallies are not won on just high top speed.

I want to see these sections with telemetry.

[AnttiL]

My point is that Ford isn't suddenly so shiyuwamba as everybody thinks.. I bet that in 2022 they will surprise everybody... AGAIN.

For sure 2022 is a different story, nothing to do with the Fiesta WRC current form.

[AnttiL]

SS2 has telemetry, here's Suninen when the limiter kicks back

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvLh-bjXEAEjbUH?format=jpg&name=medium

[Mirek]

Pretty sure I would like to see and buy Moyendo that gains speed on icy road better than WRC car on 7mm studs..

Don't be ignorant and use your head. It's not that difficult to get the point.

If all WRC reach RPM limiter the top speed means nothing except how long gearing which team selected.

It tells nothing about the engine.

[TypeR]

SS2 has telemetry, here's Suninen when the limiter kicks back

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvLh-bjXEAEjbUH?format=jpg&name=medium

..and Tänak was on the limiter at 184-186kmh for 20 seconds..

[AnttiL]

..and Tänak was on the limiter at 184-186kmh for 20 seconds..

And he leads the rally. He chose better gearing clearly.

[Mirek]

In the past it was quite common that the highest top speeds on long on straights were achieved by Gr.N Lancers. Does that mean they had better engine than WRC cars? Of course not. They only had some 3000 RPM left between peak power and the RPM limiter.

[TypeR]

Better gearing?
Kalle's top speed was 10-15kmh higher, but couldn't hold it as long..

[cali]

Better gearing?
Kalle's top speed was 10-15kmh higher, but couldn't hold it as long..What are you 5 yrs old or smth?
Ofc it's gearing what's affecting the top speed the most.
You have automotive engineer explaining things to you and yet you choose to go to full ignore mode. I'm in awe to see such stupidity

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[Mirek]

Better gearing?
Kalle's top speed was 10-15kmh higher, but couldn't hold it as long..

You are acting like a child. Gearing is about optimal use of power curve through the rally. The resulting top speed may or may not be of high importance for the team but the most important is power delivery.

The only way for us fans to judge the team's selection is results. We don't have anything else which is clear. Unfortunately we are not able to extract particular performance influences and most importantly we don't know their engine power charts, hence why we can never know if the team selected their gearing optimally or not. That's what they need to analyse and that is their know-how for the next edition of the event.

So far Tänak is clearly leading, i.e. there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their choices.

[dimviii]

ss1
https://youtu.be/Hvf8aujkKjE

[TypeR]

You are acting like a child. Gearing is about optimal use of power curve through the rally. The resulting top speed may or may not be of high importance for the team but the most important is power delivery.

The only way for us fans to judge the team's selection is results. We don't have anything else which is clear. Unfortunately we are not able to extract particular performance influences and most importantly we don't know their engine power charts, hence why we can never know if the team selected their gearing optimally or not. That's what they need to analyse and that is their know-how for the next edition of the event.

So far Tänak is clearly leading, i.e. there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their choices.

and crash-helmets are to absorb external forces towards human heads to avoid serious damages..

I just said that Ford is not so bad as people say.. and yet you go full philosophy and dictionary..

[cali]

and crash-helmets are to absorb external forces towards human heads to avoid serious damages..

I just said that Ford is not so bad as people say.. and yet you go full philosophy and dictionary..So you got to this assumption by looking at a top speed data? By this standard a drag race car would be (wait a minute....) the best rally car! :D



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[Mirek]

I just said that Ford is not so bad as people say.. and yet you go full philosophy and dictionary..

Because you supported your assumption by something of zero information value i.e. it was very clear you don't know what you are talking about.

[cali]

Because you supported your assumption by something of zero information value i.e. it was very clear you don't know what you are talking about.Mirek watch it, you're too philosophic now :D :D :D

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[TypeR]

So you got to this assumption by looking at a top speed data? By this standard a drag race car would be (wait a minute....) the best rally car! :D



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,,What are you 5 yrs old or smth?''
Try not to get over excited here..

[EstWRC]

red bull quick day 1 review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbV89MF3eHE

[cali]

,,What are you 5 yrs old or smth?''
Try not to get over excited here..You're acting like one

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[1988senna]

Can the driver take the night vision device? is the rule allow for that

[Steve Boyd]

So you got to this assumption by looking at a top speed data? By this standard a drag race car would be (wait a minute....) the best rally car! :D



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The Audi Quattro was a lot like a drag race car when it first came out! Very quick accelleration, very high top speed hopeless going round corners and they won plenty of times. :D

[cali]

The Audi Quattro was a lot like a drag race car when it first came out! Very quick accelleration, very high top speed hopeless going round corners and they won plenty of times. :DAt first yes until competition arrived with better handling cars.

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[Tauri_J]

RIP Hannu Mikkola

[dimviii]

Kalle Rovanperä
@KalleRovanpera

Good morning! More rallying action is just around the corner. We made some setup changes to hopefully ease our understeer issues - let's see how it is today!

[Lead]

Good morning everyone! Hope we have interesting day. Lets see how much time can Ogier win back.

[mknight]

Good morning everyone! Hope we have interesting day. Lets see how much time can Ogier win back.

Ogier knows he can't win noe and will steadily go for some 4-5th place. Evans and Rovanpera are those to lookfor.

Also poor Loubet. He has the oldest Hyundai in rally and got a very good first stage. Now after the puncture he will clear the road for 2 days while watching Solberg with a newer car do good stage times.

[Lead]

You know its gonna be a good day, when Mads is commenting.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Lorenzo B. spun and partly blocking the stage, 4.2kms in Edit: not blocking the stage

[meh]

Here we go, Bertelli stuck in snow.

[EstWRC]

wtf basically on straight

[Tauri_J]

wtf basically on straight

Looked to me a bumpy straight

[TypeR]

lucky to stay on wheels..

[EstWRC]

seems very slippery, guys are working hard with the car

[itix]

I still can't get over how good Mads is at commentating.

It just comes completely naturally to him in what in not his native language.

[EstWRC]

Ogier slower than Loubet in first split

[meh]

Seems that Loubet had quite good stage. Such a shame that he had puncture yesterday.

[EstWRC]

wow Taka with good pace

[TypeR]

any tyre information?

Michelin seemed to share the information better..

[COD]

any tyre information?

Michelin seemed to share the information better..

Black and round, Pirelli

[EstWRC]

Solberg now even with Ogier in spl3

[AMSS]

any tyre information?

Michelin seemed to share the information better..

Not much to share in this event except amount of spares... :)

[EstWRC]

splits all over the place on this stage

[Augury]

Giving Oliver a WRC car was a fantastic decision. Such a joy to watch this kid.

[TypeR]

Solberg 2.9s faster than Ogier with same conditions
https://www.upload.ee/image/12940311/2020MEXICO_FD_037.jpg

[Sulland]

Oliver, you are fuc... amazing!

[dimviii]

Nice pace from Oliver,but lets see what can do now the 2 fastest crews till now.

[EstWRC]

Breen losing much between spl2 and spl3

[dimviii]

Κalle not so fast.

[EstWRC]

seems Breen has been somewhere

[Rally Hokkaido]

Craig says he overused the snow banks

[meh]

Solberg made really strong end

[wwbroe]

Strong time of Neuville as well, considering he said that he isn't hearing the notes very well

[COD]

Hyundai seems to be dominating the rally that was supposed to be Toyota playground on the teams home country. Surprised

[Lead]

Mikkelsen off

EDIT: My mistake, no Off, time glitch

[Per Anders]

Very impressing from Oliver. He was fastest from spilt 3 to finish!

[Lead]

Nice battle between Lappi, Mikkelsen and Gryazin

[cali]

The people who said Kalle is in a different league than Oliver should be muted by now. Wow what a performance so far!

In a few years it's gonna be Oliver vs Kalle epic battles.

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[EstWRC]

the Hyundais cant manage even one stage without losing the rear aero :D

but ok was a pretty tight stage too

[wwbroe]

Lappi fastest again, alltough Mikkelsen was faster on first splits, Gryazin loosing bit more

[mknight]

Hyundai seems to be dominating the rally that was supposed to be Toyota playground on the teams home country. Surprised

Was same in Estonia last year.

That said this was the slowest stage of the rally.

[wwbroe]

Fourmeaux not really fast, but passing in front of Brynildsen in overall classification

[er88]

This is impressive from Lappi considering he's not driven a wrc2 car in years, and I believe this is first time driving the VW R5?

[itix]

Was same in Estonia last year.

That said this was the slowest stage of the rally.Yeah and that's exactly where Toyota with their short wheel base should excel.

I agree that Hyundai seem to have done their homework well in this rally.

[dimviii]

Fourmeaux not really fast, but passing in front of Brynildsen in overall classification

its ok considering its his 3rd snow rally.
small clip with Oliver
https://twitter.com/JussiJakala/status/1365569338531606529

[dimviii]

Yeah and that's exactly where Toyota with their short wheel base should excel.

I agree that Hyundai seem to have done their homework well in this rally.

are you sure that they have shorter wheelbase?

[mknight]

Yeah and that's exactly where Toyota with their short wheel base should excel.

I agree that Hyundai seem to have done their homework well in this rally.

Historically with the 2017 cars Hyundai has always been faster on the more twisty stages and Toyota on the more open ones. Despite the wheelbase and despite the Hyundai being more stable. Likely due to aero.

[mknight]

This is impressive from Lappi considering he's not driven a wrc2 car in years, and I believe this is first time driving the VW R5?

Yes he is doing very well, though with changed road positions it seems to be different than yesterday.

Another thing is that fast snow/gravel is Lappis best surface and with no plan for rest of the year he has no other choice than do well.

[Lead]

Kaur with a good pace. If I remember correctly he was always fast on Estonian national events also.

[dimviii]

Yes he is doing very well, though with changed road positions it seems to be different than yesterday.

Another thing is that fast snow/gravel is Lappis best surface and with no plan for rest of the year he has no other choice than do well.

is it necessary to minimize his pace when is faster from your beloved boy?
calm down.And its not different from yesterday,he is still faster but with less margin.

[EstWRC]

anyone has tyre info for this morning loop? cant find it anywhere

[TypeR]

anyone has tyre info for this morning loop? cant find it anywhere
answers

Black and round, Pirelli

Not much to share in this event except amount of spares... :)

[Essaj]

This stage has some extremely beautiful spots, lets see how well WRC have placed their cameras

[Tauri_J]

Top guys with 6 studs I heard

[dimviii]

this would be the fastest stage according to dirtfish.Lets see if toyotas can show better speed here

dirtfishrally
@DirtFishRally
#ArcticRallyFinland SS4 - Kaihuavaara 1 (12.37 miles)

The shortest and fastest test. A narrow and technical start turns onto a very fast road and then a lake, before a right-hander and rapid middle section. A square-right goes into tree-lined roads lowering the average speed.

[meh]

One thing is tireware. The question is, maybe Solberg (others as well) overused tires too much with 1st stage, but there is 2 to go.

[dupanton]

anyone has tyre info for this morning loop? cant find it anywhere

They said it on WRC+. It was something like Greensmith, Tuohino, Loubet and a 4th driver with 5 tyres, rest with 6. If I remember correctly

[jonkka]

are you sure that they have shorter wheelbase?

If figures given by the team are correct, they do. But only marginally. Yaris 2511mm vs i20 2570mm (2,3 % difference).

[meh]

Lappi https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1365583413823037440

[EstWRC]

beautiful stage!

[meh]

is this the Toyota's stage now?

[dimviii]

Shortest with taller?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvOIRwIXUAMZVoh?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

130km/h already the average for this stage

[Tauri_J]

is this the Toyota's stage now?

Dont think so.

[EstWRC]

Thierry +2.6 in spl1, still intercom problems?

[dimviii]

Dont think so.

from midstage Oliver was on par/faster with Ogier.Expect again hyundai to win the stage.

[EstWRC]

Evans on fire so far

[PLuto]

I still can't get over how good Mads is at commentating.

It just comes completely naturally to him in what in not his native language.

Better commentator than driver http://www.celysvet.cz/skin/smile/s12251.gif

[Tauri_J]

from midstage Oliver was on par/faster with Ogier.Expect again hyundai to win the stage.

Maybe not Hyundai but Ott :)

[EstWRC]

at the moment the Hyundais arent good at the beginning of the stage but get faster from mid stage onwards

[meh]

Tänak is loosing 2.2 1st split to Taka...

[EstWRC]

Tänak is loosing 2.2 1st split to Taka...

no need to push at the moment IMO

[Tauri_J]

Taking my words back. But still no worries for Hyundai.

[EstWRC]

oh man Ott

[meh]

Lucky ping-pong escape from Tänak

[EstWRC]

but took some time back, lol

[TypeR]

clearly pushing really hard to match Toyota's speed..

[dupanton]

Thierry +2.6 in spl1, still intercom problems?

I understand it more as a problem with the accent of Martijn (as a reminder, he is not native french speaking) that they are trying to reduce with intercom settings. So Thierry can understand the pronounciation of the words better.
It's not really the intercom not working I think.

[meh]

Tänak: "we lack a lot of top speed"

[EstWRC]

clearly pushing really hard to match Toyota's speed..


if so, then i dont get it why, he has a huge lead

[wwbroe]

Lappi is great commentator also;)

[Rally Hokkaido]

Tänak: "we lack a lot of top speed"
Yes, end of this stage was a good chance for us to understand the shorter final drive on the Hyundais. You could clearly hear them hitting the rev limiter 200m before the flying finish. The Toyotas seemed to still be accelerating there while the Fords weren't accelerating and in no danger of hitting their limiter.

[EstWRC]

Tänak moment https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/status/1365593614030675969?s=20

[PLuto]

Why the hell they show in WRC2 only Lappi and Gryazin and not Mikkelsen? They didnt realised that this three drivers are fighting for win?

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen doesn't seem to be able to match the speed of Lappi, or he doesn't want to take the extra risks

[er88]

Why the hell they show in WRC2 only Lappi and Gryazin and not Mikkelsen? They didnt realised that this three drivers are fighting for win?It was a live tv stage - they ran out of time.

[PLuto]

It was a live tv stage - they ran out of time.

I will prefer to see Mikkelsen that "pictures of nature" and standings...

[TypeR]

noticed that Gryazin and his co-driver can't drive under Russian flag.. only (Russian Athletics Federation). that thing should stay in other sports, where doping is a problem..

[doubled1978]

Mikkelsen doesn't seem to be able to match the speed of Lappi, or he doesn't want to take the extra risks

Yeah, EP is going very fast for sure....
I can’t help feeling that we are finally seeing the real speed of the Polo now it at last has a top driver in it.

[mknight]

Mikkelsen doesn't seem to be able to match the speed of Lappi, or he doesn't want to take the extra risks

I think Lappi is a bit faster driver on the very fast stuff and he got a "big" lead from yesterday.

Looking at splits Lappi and partly Gryazin are faster than Mikkelsen in the very fast parts. Might be also car differences.

[er88]

I will prefer to see Mikkelsen that "pictures of nature" and standings...I agree!

[TypeR]

some problem on the stage?

[itix]

noticed that Gryazin and his co-driver can't drive under Russian flag.. only (Russian Athletics Federation). that thing should stay in other sports, where doping is a problem..Why is this? ...I also reacted to his flag.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Stage blocked by Car#29 Edit, not #29 (Prokop) #31, Lindholm

[GallardoGT]

I'm curious if there is something to be recognized in SS5 of my favorite Finland Stage from Richard Burns Rally, Sikakama. This Arctic Rally already gives me sweet memories of that great Rally Sim.

[TypeR]

Lindholm also blocking the road

[SubaruNorway]

Why is this? ...I also reacted to his flag.

Comes from doping in cross country skiing, Russia is banned in a way i think

[Per Anders]

Again Oliver is fastes from 3 split to finish...interesting

[Tauri_J]

Yes, end of this stage was a good chance for us to understand the shorter final drive on the Hyundais. You could clearly hear them hitting the rev limiter 200m before the flying finish. The Toyotas seemed to still be accelerating there while the Fords weren't accelerating and in no danger of hitting their limiter.

Ott actually gained time in the end. -0.4 sec

[PLuto]

Why is this? ...I also reacted to his flag.

Regarding flag on car of Gryazin - it is because doping problem in sport activities of Russian federation. So on all events on "world championship" level they cannot start under Russian flag. So they are starting under RAF (not Russian Athletics Federation, as mentioned, but it is Russian Automobile Federation).

[Sulland]

Comes from doping in cross country skiing, Russia is banned in a way i think


Goes back to olympics in Sochi, Russia in 2014.
The russian doping agency have been cought in massive fraud with russian doping tests. Russians that had been doping, had their tests fixed, so they were not taken, and suspended.

This has been a long time coming. So in many sports Russia is not allowed to represent Russia.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/17/947504052/russia-suspended-from-next-2-olympic-games-over-anti-doping-violations

[itix]

Regarding flag on car of Gryazin - it is because doping problem in sport activities of Russian federation. So on all events on "world championship" level they cannot start under Russian flag. So they are starting under RAF (not Russian Athletics Federation, as mentioned, but it is Russian Automobile Federation).So basically, it was such a wide problem that some world sport association of some form that the FIA need to answer to made this decision?

I can't imagine human doping is common in rallying. Vehicle doping on the other hand...

[PLuto]

So basically, it was such a wide problem that some world sport association of some form that the FIA need to answer to made this decision?

I can't imagine human doping is common in rallying. Vehicle doping on the other hand...

No, this has nothing to do with FIA. It is general ban for all sports over the world...

[jonkka]

I can't imagine human doping is common in rallying. Vehicle doping on the other hand...

Drivers are subject to same doping regulations that apply to other sportsmen too. For that reason, they cannot use most effective flue medications, for example.

[EstWRC]

i expect another Toyota win on this stage, pretty flat out so far

[wwbroe]

Great commentating by Ostberg

[AnttiL]

i expect another Toyota win on this stage, pretty flat out so far

Yes, Kaihuavaara, Siikakämä and Aittajärvi are way much faster stages than Mustalampi and Sarriojärvi.

[dimviii]

Emil Lindholm
@Emil_Lindholm
· 11m
Warning sign
Stopped at SS4 - Crew OK

Unfortunately we spun in to a snowbank and hit a tree. I'm sorry for team, we had a good amount of points at grabs. Fortunately we are both OK. Let's see if we can get the car fixed for tomorrow.

@RallyFinland @OfficialWRC

[meh]

If is just fast, then it does not make difference - the question is, is there that long "straights" where top-speed or rate limiter comes to account.

In this stage may come important who have been able to nursing their tires well.

[itix]

No, this has nothing to do with FIA. It is general ban for all sports over the world...Sure but the ban comes from somewhere and FIA, as the sports governing body need to implement it.

I'm curious where this somewhere is...

[EstWRC]

130km/h average for Loubet

[jonkka]

Sure but the ban comes from somewhere and FIA, as the sports governing body need to implement it.

I'm curious where this somewhere is...

It is FIA themselves:

This is why the FIA is committed to such great efforts in preventing and fighting doping, and also why it became a Signatory to the World Anti-Doping Code in December 2010, thus joining the family of the major international sporting federations.

https://www.fia.com/anti-doping

[PLuto]

Sure but the ban comes from somewhere and FIA, as the sports governing body need to implement it.

I'm curious where this somewhere is...

As FIA is part of International Olympic Committee, no need to implement anything. It goes automatically...

[itix]

As FIA is part of International Olympic Committee, no need to implement anything. It goes automatically...Thanks, you answered what I was wondering :)

[EstWRC]

it seems the ending suits Hyundai more

[meh]

When you watch Solberg in new car, with new co-driver - how you now watch to comments like "still learning the car"? :)

[Japé]

Bertelli retired - did he even try to shovel car out from snow bank? Looking from helicopter images car was not that far in snow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Real shame M-Sport didnt fit the upgraded engine yet for this rally with so many high speed stages.

[Tauri_J]

Real shame M-Sport didnt fit the upgraded engine yet for this rally with so many high speed stages.

New engine wont fix their problems.

[PLuto]

New engine wont fix their problems.

SS 5:

flash info (3 - Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko): I was enjoying a lot on the stage. I was happy with what we did - my job is to push my car to the limits and I am really trying to do it.
flash info (44 - Greensmith Gus / Edmondson Elliott): That felt like the worst stage of the day - I couldn't seem to find a rhythm and I made some mistakes in a few places.

And both almost same time.

I am not sure if the car is the only problem...

[dimviii]

Very fast first split from Ott

[Mirek]

Real shame M-Sport didnt fit the upgraded engine yet for this rally with so many high speed stages.

That's misconception. High speed stages are where engine counts the least. Engine playes the highest role in slow twisty events instead.


It's not like the main difference in the engines would be in peak power. The real difference is in power band (or torque curve if you like). It means that where you really get to see the difference is when you have plenty of slow/medium corners where the engine needs to accelerate over wide RPM ranges. In very fast stages it is much easier to keep the engine in the peak power RPM range (naturally it's the easiest on a straight and it's getting harder and harder with how twistier the stage gets).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen:
We are having good rhythm in slow places, but we can't drive fast on the straights. We are giving everything.

We are missing corners - like sixth gear, long uphills, I am flat out. We can't make a difference. There are no corners to make a difference."

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvOjHx2WQAMCs8-?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

get in Tänak!

[dimviii]

wtf between split 3 and 4? only Evans managed to go faster

[EstWRC]

day 2 so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/69715-arctic-rally-finland-powered-by-capitalbox-2021/?leg=2

look how close the gaps are

[skarderud]

I think Lappi is a bit faster driver on the very fast stuff and he got a "big" lead from yesterday.

Looking at splits Lappi and partly Gryazin are faster than Mikkelsen in the very fast parts. Might be also car differences.Mikkelsen gambled on the "long" gearbox i heard, the others has the normal ratio.
Maybe he has done a mistake there?

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[Per Anders]

Again, Oliver fastes from 3 split to finish...all the stages today. Not bad. Hope it will not end in a snowbank....

[dimviii]

Neuville seems havent find the nice spot with the new co driver.

Neuville Thierry - Wydaeghe Martijn
"I struggled to clearly understand the notes. I tried to be focussed and do my job - we did the best we could this morning."

[er88]

Incredible driving from Oliver. Such a talent.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen said he is on limit. Lets see, maybe on afternoon loop he can reduce time difference to Lappi.

[wwbroe]

Foumeaux is struggling a lot to do good times, in a fight with Brynildsen.

[dimviii]

too long to see a happy Lappi

https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2021-NEWS/WRC/February/Arctic-live-text/LAPPISS5.png

[skarderud]

Neuville seems havent find the nice spot with the new co driver.

Neuville Thierry - Wydaeghe Martijn
"I struggled to clearly understand the notes. I tried to be focussed and do my job - we did the best we could this morning."Maybe they should change to english pacenotes? To much to change for a french speaking driver?

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[EstWRC]

yeah really good to see old happy Lappi backm stunning performance so far

[er88]

Lappi is dominating Mikkelsen so far. Andreas sounded a bit lost - says he's on the limit while Lappi seems very comfortable and happy. Gryazin doing a very decent job too - it seems he's much happier than he was in the Hyundai. Shame we lost Huttunen so early - that guy has horrible luck

[EstWRC]

yessss, Kaur with a second fastest time in R5 class, 8 secs to Lappi

[dimviii]

Ivan Fernandez
@fernischumi
Oliver Solberg's progression on his first rally with a #WRC:

SS1: +1.00 s / km after a straight and having to reverse gear
SS2: +0.48 s / km
SS3: +0.19 s / km
SS4: +0.25 s / km
SS5: +0.07 s / km

All this with a new car that I did not know and with a new co-driver after Aaron's positive

[SubaruNorway]

Ivan Fernandez
@fernischumi
Oliver Solberg's progression on his first rally with a #WRC:

SS1: +1.00 s / km after a straight and having to reverse gear
SS2: +0.48 s / km
SS3: +0.19 s / km
SS4: +0.25 s / km
SS5: +0.07 s / km

All this with a new car that I did not know and with a new co-driver after Aaron's positive

Also a stall in the start on SS1, where was that revers spot. I must have missed it when watching the onboard

[masa90]

Solberg is doing really great!

[AnttiL]

That's misconception. High speed stages are where engine counts the least. Engine playes the highest role in slow twisty events instead.


It's not like the main difference in the engines would be in peak power. The real difference is in power band (or torque curve if you like). It means that where you really get to see the difference is when you have plenty of slow/medium corners where the engine needs to accelerate over wide RPM ranges. In very fast stages it is much easier to keep the engine in the peak power RPM range (naturally it's the easiest on a straight and it's getting harder and harder with how twistier the stage gets).

I know I shouldn't argue with you about this, but I thought on low speed sections the grip is so low that you can't put all the high power down, so engine doesn't matter so much. And on the contrary, when you are accelerating from 100 km/h upwards you rarely have problems with the grip and the you gain seconds by hitting your top speed earlier than other cars. I don't know, but Suninen was up to pace last year in Sardegna, while all the M-Sport drivers were horribly lost in Estonia...

We see this also when we compare the pace of R5 cars, on fast stages the WRC cars are much faster but on a technical stage the R5 can even get in the top 10 (or even win the stage like Huttunen in Sweden 2018)

I would also say Greensmith has improved his driving, hence him getting closer to Suninen. The stages are also somewhat simpler, not so many corners where you can make a difference.

[mknight]

Both Lappi and Gryazin looked much better in the long sweeping turns. Mikkelsen was correcting mid way trough every one of them.

Whether it's driver, settings, car or a combination is hard to say.

[AnttiL]

Maybe they should change to english pacenotes? To much to change for a french speaking driver?

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What? Neuville speaks German as his 1st language and the pace notes are French. It has been this way all Neuville's career. Would be really difficult to learn to make them in a different language at this point.

However, Wydaghe speaks Flemish as his first language, and for him it has been difficult to pronounce the words correctly (in the Flemish language you need to make these throat sounds which may be difficult to learn out of). He's even used a specialist to help him with this issue.

[meh]

Kaur have been second fastest RC2, only 2sec away from WRC3 leader now. Things are interesting there.

[dimviii]

Media Zone: Rovanperä

"The morning was quite okay, but not good enough I would say. I was still struggling a bit with the car and in the last one we found something which made the feeling a little bit better. Hopefully we can go in the same direction after service."
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Neuville

"We carried on the speed we were at yesterday. The car was working good - it may have been a little bit soft for the last stage but it's good information for the second loop.



"I couldn't really commit all the time because we are still missing some communication between Martijn and me. I sometimes get some engine noise which means his voice isn't really clear, so I have to back off and just imagine what the corner will be. A little bit frustrated about that but we will see what we can do during the day."
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Evans

"It wasn't the usual fluid drive that normally delivers that sort of performance. It's not so easy to be smooth here and I think you have to be a little bit aggresive with the car.



"Now it will be difficult to take big chunks of time, but anything can happen and the tyre wear will probably play a big part this afternoon."


Sébastien Ogier

"I think we had a decent pace this morning, we were in the mix, but the gap will stay like this up to the end, unfortunately. We can still catch a few places, but we have to fight hard as I expect a difficult afternoon for us at the front. We will give our best!" #WRC

[dimviii]

Media Zone: Tänak

"A good morning, but it was very demanding. The stages are incredibly fast and we have never seen the roads, so the pace notes are never 100%. There have been some interesting meetings with snow banks, but so far they have been on my side so it's okay!



"There are many cars coming after us, so the gravel will start to come out and it will be about tyre management this afternoon."
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Breen

"Honestly, not so good. The first stage started quite well and I got into a rhythm quite early, but I got sucked into a couple of snow banks and lost momentum.



"The last one was quite a rollercoaster in places - perfect conditions and I really enjoyed it, I just would've liked the time to be a little bit better!"

[dimviii]

Kalle hot moment at ss 5
https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/status/1365625165929938945


Bertelli will start tomorow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvOyJSsXAAIAq4P?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Media Zone: Lappi (WRC2 leader)

"The settings that we have in the car are very good at the moment. I don't really need to push - it just comes naturally and that's the best way.

"The driving style I have now is completely different to the last time I was in an R5. Maybe I have learned during the years in WRC about how to drive in the fastest way, so I think I am just trying to do that now."

[Mirek]

I know I shouldn't argue with you about this, but I thought on low speed sections the grip is so low that you can't put all the high power down, so engine doesn't matter so much. And on the contrary, when you are accelerating from 100 km/h upwards you rarely have problems with the grip and the you gain seconds by hitting your top speed earlier than other cars.

You should. I'm making mistakes...

Yes, that is true and I have to admit that I'm sometimes too much stuck on our asphalt :) Due to the recently used extensive aero the level of grip with higher speeds rose so much that the lack of grip in low speed got more apparent than it used to be.

On asphalt, where you have the grip, the hardest event for engine used to be Corsican or Italian asphalts where you go from corner to corner all the time on 3-4th gear.


We see this also when we compare the pace of R5 cars, on fast stages the WRC cars are much faster but on a technical stage the R5 can even get in the top 10 (or even win the stage like Huttunen in Sweden 2018)

That's because of the huge effect of the aero. In the past when WRC cars didn't have so much aero it wasn't that way. Even S2000 used to be pretty close to WRC cars in Finland and in some other very fast events but their lack of torque meant they were loosing much more in twisty events where it is impossible to keep the engine in such a narrow RPM band all the time.

[Rallyper]

That´s nice MIrek. I was to object on your arguments to AnttiL. I think he is right.

On a long strait to me power is worth a lot driving on 6th gear. It says itself more hp will give you a higher speed faster..