[WRC] Arctic Rally 2021

[Japé]

How stuck have Bertelli's car been in snow bank really? Looks like it is almost on road. Could they had just shovelled it out or tried to put e.g. their jackets or something under tires to get more grip if needed.

[Mirek]

On a long strait to me power is worth a lot driving on 6th gear. It says itself more hp will give you a higher speed faster..

Power yes but I was not argueing about power because I believe there is minimal difference between the cars in the maximum power.

IMO in rally car when people talk about weak engine it means in reality that the engine is low on torque, I really don't believe there are big differences in peak power. Even the really terribly outdated 20V Fabia WRC engine was quite ok on peak power but it was very bad on torque. Lack of torque doesn't really matter on straights or flat out corners but it does matter a lot on events which are full of long medium-fast or even slow corners (depends what we consider slow and what level of grip is available). The lack of torque IMHO also adds to traction issues.

In general the message was - if M-Sport suffers here from the engine it will suffer much more in other more twisty events.

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC

This is how Siikakämä stage looks like after the first run. The road is holding it much better now, cuts through at braking points though. #WRC #ArcticRallyFinland


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[Rallyper]

Power yes but I was not argueing about power because I believe there is minimal difference between the cars in the maximum power.

IMO in rally car when people talk about weak engine it means in reality that the engine is low on torque, I really don't believe there are big differences in peak power. Even the really terribly outdated 20V Fabia WRC engine was quite ok on peak power but it was very bad on torque. Lack of torque doesn't really matter on straights or flat out corners but it does matter a lot on events which are full of long medium-fast or even slow corners (depends what we consider slow and what level of grip is available). The lack of torque IMHO also adds to traction issues.

In general the message was - if M-Sport suffers here from the engine it will suffer much more in other more twisty events.

Have you ever reved an engine coming up on revs where power is at highest you realise power means something even on high revs? Torque is on low revs. So going on high revs on 6th gear coming in to the high power area will make some differnce.
Have a felling this was a discussion a couple of years ago. Hard to explain when words are missing (language...)

[Rallyper]

Asunmaa got notional time of 9:47,4 on SS4.
Egon Kaur got 9:48,9
From COC.

[wwbroe]

Stage 6 is live with a little moment for Loubet

[EstWRC]

Loubet all over the place

[Mirek]

Have you ever reved an engine coming up on revs where power is at highest you realise power means something even on high revs? Torque is on low revs. So going on high revs on 6th gear coming in to the high power area will make some differnce.

Per, power is a value. It is a value made of torque multiplied by engine speed which means power is always a thing of high rews (high relatively to the used restrictor).

If I say I don't believe that there are big differences in power between the cars I mean they have roughly same value of peak power, which means they can all reach about the same top speed if they had the same drag coefficient and were not limited by gearing. That's simple physics.

However what is important the most is the work the engine can deliver over a certain used RPM range (energy delivered). If you know how power curve looks, this work (or delivered energy) is the area of the graph between the RPM-axis (X-axis) and the power curve in the given RPM range (it's really that simple).

Why is torque important? Because power is torque x engine speed, i.e. when RPM is +/- given by the regulations what you can work on is the torque to achieve as flat power curve as possible (because the largest achievable area is square - when power curve is parallel to the RPM-axis). The most difficult part on that is IMHO to keep the engine efficiency over wide range of RPM, hence why the difference isn't usually in the peak power but in the curve shape.

In simple words. If you put the cars on a drag track and shift ideally you will probably have nearly same finish time for all. But now do the same but shift from 3rd directly to 6th gear and you will see the diffrence between the cars.

On fast events the engine use is closer to the ideal drag track while with more and longer turns (especialy with uneven radius) it gets closer to the second scenario because you need to use much wider RPM range than the ideal one.

I hope it's understandable now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame for Loubet with no power.

[SubaruNorway]

Don't they use the push to pass feature on the Rally safe system in WRC? Heard they use it ARA.

[TypeR]

Don't they use the push to pass feature on the Rally safe system in WRC? Heard they use it ARA.
I have heard that it has been discussed for quite a long time, but FIA can't/don't want to put it in the rules somehow..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus isnt happy, using Breen's word ha ha

[ZequeArgentina]

I am not getting splits in WRC.com, is it just me?


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[meh]

Suninen 2 good splits... please don't do Monte now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solberg is incredible.

[EstWRC]

what, Ogier says tires already gone

[cali]

Love the attitude and the style of Oliver Solberg. What a driver!

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[Mirek]

Solberg is incredible.

And what a funny interview. We need more :D

[EstWRC]

ai ai ai aiiii ai aiii oi oiiii

[dimviii]

what, Ogier says tires already gone

undesteering problems mentioned by Kalle will not help studs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job Teemu.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Neuville flew... but next guys even faster !

[wwbroe]

Just a little tough, Tanak besttime with 0,2 difference

[wwbroe]

Kalle up to second and Thierry third now, both overhauling Breen.

[Tauri_J]

Ott saying its not a winter rally, instead its a frozen gravel rally.

[meh]

2 really-really high-speed stages ahead and guys are having already troubles with tires. I smell some drama here.

So far we have had nice rally - have not lost anyone from top-drivers, only Loubet with some troubles.

[Rally Hokkaido]

I am not getting splits in WRC.com, is it just me?


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No splits on WRC+ for this stage. I hope they fix it for the next one.

[1988senna]

I guess Oiger and Evans are saving the tyres for SS7 and SS8, pushing to overtake the Breen and Solberg ,Is that possible

[AnttiL]

Suninen pushing like it’s 2017!

The second pass was slower than first

[focus206]

Many drivers with worn tyres. Let's see who will manage and who will overpush, mistakes will be easy in the next stages.

[meh]

No splits on WRC+ for this stage. I hope they fix it for the next one.

Splits are working with WRC+ "LIVE MAPS" view.

[EstWRC]

I guess Oiger and Evans are saving the tyres for SS7 and SS8, pushing to overtake the Breen and Solberg ,Is that possible

both said the tyres were gone

[Tauri_J]

Dont think tyres are gone, they are overheating at the end.

Havent seen worn tyres on the broadcast yet.

[ZequeArgentina]

No splits on WRC+ for this stage. I hope they fix it for the next one.

Thanks!!! Long time not writing here!


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[Sulland]

Dont think tyres are gone, they are overheating at the end.

Havent seen worn tyres on the broadcast yet.

They need to film the front tires. They go first!

[Tauri_J]

They need to film the front tires. They go first!
Obviously and they have shown them too

[wwbroe]

What happened with Fourmeaux?

[er88]

Siikakama in the dark, with struggling tyres will be a proper challenge. Can't wait to watch some onboards from that stage - looks class. (Was great to drive in RBR too!)

[EstWRC]

the first starters will get some daylight

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pictures in twilight look great.

[meh]

Before rally-action turns in - how many of you decided travel to Lapland after watching this rally?

[Rally Hokkaido]

What happened with Fourmeaux?

Stuck in a ditch, still trying to get out.

[PLuto]

What happened with Fourmeaux?

retired (21 - Fourmaux Adrien / Jamoul Renaud): accident in SS 6 (https://rally-base.com/2021/arctic-rally-finland-2021/?ssId=6079&ssGroupId=1)

[onemanband]

Per, power is a value. It is a value made of torque multiplied by engine speed which means power is always a thing of high rews (high relatively to the used restrictor).

If I say I don't believe that there are big differences in power between the cars I mean they have roughly same value of peak power, which means they can all reach about the same top speed if they had the same drag coefficient and were not limited by gearing. That's simple physics.

However what is important the most is the work the engine can deliver over a certain used RPM range (energy delivered). If you know how power curve looks, this work (or delivered energy) is the area of the graph between the RPM-axis (X-axis) and the power curve in the given RPM range (it's really that simple).

Why is torque important? Because power is torque x engine speed, i.e. when RPM is +/- given by the regulations what you can work on is the torque to achieve as flat power curve as possible (because the largest achievable area is square - when power curve is parallel to the RPM-axis). The most difficult part on that is IMHO to keep the engine efficiency over wide range of RPM, hence why the difference isn't usually in the peak power but in the curve shape.

In simple words. If you put the cars on a drag track and shift ideally you will probably have nearly same finish time for all. But now do the same but shift from 3rd directly to 6th gear and you will see the diffrence between the cars.

On fast events the engine use is closer to the ideal drag track while with more and longer turns (especialy with uneven radius) it gets closer to the second scenario because you need to use much wider RPM range than the ideal one.

I hope it's understandable now.

I might not understand you correctly because of a bit of a language barrier but i don't think you are correct here. In the theoretical situation you mentioned where the peak power of the cars is same but some have a more flat powercurve and you dragrace them in perfect situations the car with the smoother curve will win. What it means is that the top speed of all cars is the same providing they are not limited by gearing (or are geared the same).
My logic is that the torque of the engine does not matter. What matters is the torque going to the wheels and that can be changed with gears. The amount of torque needed is limited by the grip of the tires so the cars that have a more acute power curve will be geared shorter so the torque in the wheels will be similar as the cars with a smoother power curve. If you have a better engine torque delivery it gives you much more freedom in the gearing and the ones with worse torque delivery need to optimize more. Where it will matter more is the type of stages where the cars will be near their top speed as neither the Ford or Hyundai have been physically limited by lack of power but rather by the rev limiter. So the lack of engine torque will be a bit less important in the more technical and slower rallies where the drivers will be on wide open throttle for shorter amounts of time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loving these onboards from the winscreen cameras.

[Essaj]

The commentating difference between Mads and the rest is massive, holy fk this is just horrible without him.

[TypeR]

Tuohino: ,,I don't have the balls to push much'' :D

[Sulland]

The commentating difference between Mads and the rest is massive, holy fk this is just horrible without him.

Would be cool to have a stage with Mads and a Co-driver, maybe hos own. To get perspectives both from a driver and a co-driver during same stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oliver been in a snowbank.

[jonkka]

Oliver been in a snowbank.

For good?

[dupanton]

For good?

no, got out. Lost 10 sec or someting

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice run by Evans despite the tyres.

[EstWRC]

it would be interesting to know who using the spares already on this stage and who isnt, makes a difference

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think a few are keeping the new tyres for the last stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle doing all he can to keep the pressure on Tanak there.

[dupanton]

Interesting also that Rovanpera crossed his tyres.

[onemanband]

Mikkelsen very disappointing. His chance to show what he can offer to a WRC team with quality opposition and falling short.

[Lead]

Lappi so far has destroyed Mikkelsen's goal to dominate every rally he enters.

[wwbroe]

He's not matching Lappi's speed but certainly a lot better as Formeaux, who will drive in WRC in Croatia

[Sulland]

Mikkelsen very disappointing. His chance to show what he can offer to a WRC team with quality opposition and falling short.

On this rally the Polo seems to be superiour, but 1 minute behind Lappi after SS7 is a lot.

[meh]

Mikkelsen is a good driver in a good car, no doubt in that. But at the moment, Lappi gives some "down to the Earth" perspective for him.

[Mirek]

I might not understand you correctly because of a bit of a language barrier but i don't think you are correct here. In the theoretical situation you mentioned where the peak power of the cars is same but some have a more flat powercurve and you dragrace them in perfect situations the car with the smoother curve will win. What it means is that the top speed of all cars is the same providing they are not limited by gearing (or are geared the same).
My logic is that the torque of the engine does not matter. What matters is the torque going to the wheels and that can be changed with gears. The amount of torque needed is limited by the grip of the tires so the cars that have a more acute power curve will be geared shorter so the torque in the wheels will be similar as the cars with a smoother power curve. If you have a better engine torque delivery it gives you much more freedom in the gearing and the ones with worse torque delivery need to optimize more. Where it will matter more is the type of stages where the cars will be near their top speed as neither the Ford or Hyundai have been physically limited by lack of power but rather by the rev limiter. So the lack of engine torque will be a bit less important in the more technical and slower rallies where the drivers will be on wide open throttle for shorter amounts of time.

This is a bit difficult because all scenarios are somewhat theoretical both mine and yours.

You are right that the important thing is torque on the wheels but that is why I give the example in speaking about power curve. Because the torque on the wheels x wheel speed is the same thing as the engine power minus mechanical losses, i.e. speaking about power curve simplifies things (when talking torque you anyway get from one power curve to another power curve but in a more complicated way).

You are also right that normally the teams will try to limit what they loose in the power band by using different gearing but they need a ballanced peformance, they need also certain top speed on straights, traction etc. In other words where one team can use shorter gearing to their advantage the other can do as well and keep their advantage (or put the advantage on top speed if needed).

Why it matters more on twisty stages (in my interpretation based also on long time observation) is because no matter how much time you push the throttle you always need to deliver biggest possible energy on the wheels in that period of time, i.e. largest possible graph area under the power curve. In twisty events it is physically impossible to keep the engine RPM tightly around the peak power and therefore car with flatter curve will always have advantage because between two gearshifting it always delivers more energy to the wheels.

The second reason why it matters more in lower speeds is traction because car with flatter curve has smoother delivery of the wheel torque (less raise or drop of torque).

IMHO this was very well illustrated in times when S2000 were the second category. They had very low torque compared to the turbo cars but reasonable power. They were able to keep within 1 s/km on very fast events (Finland for example) but the difference was around double on twistier mountain events (Acropolis for example) and even worse in muddy events (up to tripple sometimes).

You are right that normally the team with stronger engine may use advantage of the higher top speed but they also may opt for other options, for example higher downforce, hence why we can not know whose engine is more powerful just by looking on the onboards. We don't know how they ballanced the drag/downforce/power/torque/gearing/traction and how successful they were in their preparations.

[petrolhead49]

I might not understand you correctly because of a bit of a language barrier but i don't think you are correct here. In the theoretical situation you mentioned where the peak power of the cars is same but some have a more flat powercurve and you dragrace them in perfect situations the car with the smoother curve will win. What it means is that the top speed of all cars is the same providing they are not limited by gearing (or are geared the same).
My logic is that the torque of the engine does not matter. What matters is the torque going to the wheels and that can be changed with gears. The amount of torque needed is limited by the grip of the tires so the cars that have a more acute power curve will be geared shorter so the torque in the wheels will be similar as the cars with a smoother power curve. If you have a better engine torque delivery it gives you much more freedom in the gearing and the ones with worse torque delivery need to optimize more. Where it will matter more is the type of stages where the cars will be near their top speed as neither the Ford or Hyundai have been physically limited by lack of power but rather by the rev limiter. So the lack of engine torque will be a bit less important in the more technical and slower rallies where the drivers will be on wide open throttle for shorter amounts of time.

Power is a lazy word probably, easier than to get into all that you guys mentioned. We generally mean power curve probably.

What I understand is Ford is the “slower” engine of the three and they have to compensate with a closer ratio gearbox, hence the slower top speed on some events. Also slower engine means they get to the same top speed but they take longer to do so.

I remember Warmbold talking about how his car was slower than the factory ones, but the main point here is we should use a radar gun on a certain point of the stage to better understand that. If the straight is long enough you will eventually get to the same speed with the same top gear ratio but take longer.


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[petrolhead49]

This is a bit difficult because all scenarios are somewhat theoretical both mine and yours.

You are right that the important thing is torque on the wheels but that is why I give the example in speaking about power curve. Because the torque on the wheels x wheel speed is the same thing as the engine power minus mechanical losses, i.e. speaking about power curve simplifies things.

You are also right that normally the teams will try to limit what they loose in the power band by using different gearing but they need a ballanced peformance, they need also certain top speed on straights, traction etc. In other words where one team can use shorter gearing to their advantage the other can do as well and keep their advantage (or put the advantage on top speed if needed).

Why it matters more on twisty stages (in my interpretation based also on long time observation) is because no matter how much time you push the throttle you always need to deliver biggest possible energy on the wheels in that period of time, i.e. largest possible graph area under the power curve. In twisty events it is physically impossible to keep the engine RPM tightly around the peak power and therefore car with flatter curve will always have advantage because between two gearshifting it always delivers more energy to the wheels.

The second reason why it matters more in lower speeds is traction because car with flatter curve has smoother delivery of the wheel torque (less raise or drop of torque).

IMHO this was very well illustrated in times when S2000 were the second category. They had very low torque compared to the turbo cars but reasonable power. They were able to keep within 1 s/km on very fast events (Finland for example) but the difference was around double on twistier mountain events (Acropolis for example) and even worse in muddy events.

You are right that normally the team with stronger engine may use advantage of the higher top speed but they also may opt for other options, for example higher downforce, hence why we can not know whose engine is more powerful just by looking on the onboards. We don't know how they ballanced the drag/downforce/power/torque/gearing/traction and how successful they were in their preparations.

Very nice explanation, the advantage of the better engine can be exploited in different ways. Top power would be the only thing to matter if we had cvt gearboxes with optimal gearing in all conditions.


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[Japé]

Mikkelsen is a good driver in a good car, no doubt in that. But at the moment, Lappi gives some "down to the Earth" perspective for him.

Lappi is driving very well, but to proof something new from his talent, it would be useful for Lappi to repeat similar performance e.g. in Ypres or maybe Croatia or Japan.

[drive]

miracles do happens - R5 streaming from stage 7 :)

[dupanton]

Stream from fixed camera's only, no commentators. I feel like I'm out there spectating :D
Only thing I miss is being able to help the poor Fabia driver to get out of the snow wall...

[linni]

No splits on WRC+ for this stage. I hope they fix it for the next one.

I have splits.
If you look under Live Timing, this has always been problematic. Under Live Maps splits are running instantly.

[kiil]

I understand it more as a problem with the accent of Martijn (as a reminder, he is not native french speaking) that they are trying to reduce with intercom settings. So Thierry can understand the pronounciation of the words better.
It's not really the intercom not working I think.

I think it has something to do with the switch from using Stilo helmets and intercom, to using Bell helmets and intercom. Stilo has been in the intercom game for many years, while Bell has only recennty started to do their own intercom series. There is not much adjustment that can be done on the intercom system that would help pronounciation problems, but sound quality problems could certainly add to the problem of pronounciation.

[wwbroe]

Let's see who managed the tires the best in this last stage of the day.

[Lead]

Ostberg is tv natural

[AnttiL]

Reportedly the stage is in better condition for second run than the previous ones.

[onemanband]

This is a bit difficult because all scenarios are somewhat theoretical both mine and yours.

You are right that the important thing is torque on the wheels but that is why I give the example in speaking about power curve. Because the torque on the wheels x wheel speed is the same thing as the engine power minus mechanical losses, i.e. speaking about power curve simplifies things (when talking torque you anyway get from one power curve to another power curve but in a more complicated way).

You are also right that normally the teams will try to limit what they loose in the power band by using different gearing but they need a ballanced peformance, they need also certain top speed on straights, traction etc. In other words where one team can use shorter gearing to their advantage the other can do as well and keep their advantage (or put the advantage on top speed if needed).

Why it matters more on twisty stages (in my interpretation based also on long time observation) is because no matter how much time you push the throttle you always need to deliver biggest possible energy on the wheels in that period of time, i.e. largest possible graph area under the power curve. In twisty events it is physically impossible to keep the engine RPM tightly around the peak power and therefore car with flatter curve will always have advantage because between two gearshifting it always delivers more energy to the wheels.

The second reason why it matters more in lower speeds is traction because car with flatter curve has smoother delivery of the wheel torque (less raise or drop of torque).

IMHO this was very well illustrated in times when S2000 were the second category. They had very low torque compared to the turbo cars but reasonable power. They were able to keep within 1 s/km on very fast events (Finland for example) but the difference was around double on twistier mountain events (Acropolis for example) and even worse in muddy events (up to tripple sometimes).

You are right that normally the team with stronger engine may use advantage of the higher top speed but they also may opt for other options, for example higher downforce, hence why we can not know whose engine is more powerful just by looking on the onboards. We don't know how they ballanced the drag/downforce/power/torque/gearing/traction and how successful they were in their preparations.

There is no scenario where an engine with a flatter curve will not be better. But I still believe that with more optimized gearing in the more technical sections the driver can make a big part of the deficit up with his driving, setup, accurate gear changes etc. But if it is a fast rally where the drivers will be in top gear nearing the limiter for long amounts of time then there is absolutely nothing the driver can do.

For your S2000 point i think the best season to look at would be 2012 with Ogier in the Škoda Fabia. I had a quick look at EWRC-Results. His average speed was 1,9 lower in Greece and 1.73 in Finland than the leader. Not a massive difference. And the loss is not only from the lack of engine power for the S2000. As a counterpoint I would point to the ERC or national level in the S2000 or early R5 era where the N group cars could hang on with the much more nimble opponents on fast rallies like Estonia thanks to their superior top speed.

[TypeR]

Solberg not moving on maps..?

[Essaj]

Ogier off

[Mirek]

And that's it for Ogier...

[EstWRC]

Solberg not moving on maps..?

the live maps is crazy atm

[wwbroe]

Oliver loosing a lot also

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Of all people. Biiiig mistake Seb.

[EstWRC]

thats like 500m before the finish?

[TypeR]

JUST before finish..

[petrolhead49]

Crazy for Seb especially, crashing at the yellow board. Oliver said it was tricky corner.


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[AnttiL]

thats like 500m before the finish?

yeah or even less. Just before yellow board.

[Mirek]

Oliver loosing a lot also

He lost his glasses before the stage.

[masa90]

?? What happened there?

[EstWRC]

wow Neuville going for it

[Mirek]

?? What happened there?

Ogier went off in the last corner of the stage.

[masa90]

No I meant how did Oliver reportadly love his glasses? Sounds really weird?

[itix]

Last corner of the last stage of the day... Wow.
He has only power stage points to gamble for now.

[Tauri_J]

Last corner of the last stage of the day... Wow.
He has only power stage points to gamble for now.

2nd on the road lol

[Mirek]

No I meant how did Oliver reportadly love his glasses? Sounds really weird?

Aha, no idea. He only said he lost his glasses and didn't see much.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville flying - saved the tyres ?

[EstWRC]

man Neuville is mashing it, 8 secs faster in spl3 than anybody else

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen had new front tyres.

[itix]

2nd on the road lolYeah... It's Ogier though. If someone can pull a rabbit out of the hat, it's him.

[itix]

Neuville flying - saved the tyres ?He was quite convinced he had destroyed them on the first stage of the loop.

[jonkka]

Ogier's off means he won't be leading championship. As things stand now and without PS points, Kalle would be the championship leader.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark warned where Ogier went off

https://twitter.com/i/status/1365710373740027904

[itix]

This reminds me of the last memory I I have of Ogier doing a small error and getting stuck in the snow bank.

Sweden, 2019 (?), in the Citroen. Laughing at himself in front of the cameras saying "just me playing with my shovel" while digging his car out.

[EstWRC]

what a ride by Thierry

[Mirek]

He was quite convinced he had destroyed them on the first stage of the loop.

Maybe just played a mind game.

[itix]

Maybe just played a mind game.Doubt it given the words he used but I could be wrong.

[denkimi]

He was quite convinced he had destroyed them on the first stage of the loop.
That could be correct. But others might have destroyed them even more.

[dupanton]

Kalle just said Thierry saved 1 new tyre for the final stage ;)

[er88]

Such a monster of a time from Thierry. Superb

[AnttiL]

Ogier finished the stage and is on the road section

[EstWRC]

and Thiery fastest today with this monster stage https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/69715-arctic-rally-finland-powered-by-capitalbox-2021/?leg=2

[dupanton]

Ogier got out and to the finish, but lost almost 20min. He should have retired, would have only lost 10min...

[Rally Hokkaido]

Yeah... It's Ogier though. If someone can pull a rabbit out of the hat, it's him.

Don't know about a rabbit, but he managed to pull his car out of the bank..amazing!

[denkimi]

Ogier got out and to the finish, but lost almost 20min. He should have retired, would have only lost 10min...
At first i thought the same. But then, why would he? 10 or 20 minutes will not make any difference.

[Mirek]

Ogier got out and to the finish, but lost almost 20min. He should have retired, would have only lost 10min...

He can still retire however if he let the car where it was some late runner could hit it and destroy and he wouldn't be able to restart. Plus I guess they weren't very comfortable outthere in the cold :)

[wwbroe]

Did i see it wrong or did Seb didn't have helmet at end of stage?

[EstWRC]

Did i see it wrong or did Seb didn't have helmet at end of stage?

doesnt matter, another 400€ fine i guess


i would say its not a huge loss for him, he would have got 8 points before the off

[itix]

Is there any advantage to completing the stage over the super rally option?

[onemanband]

There is no scenario where an engine with a flatter curve will not be better. But I still believe that with more optimized gearing in the more technical sections the driver can make a big part of the deficit up with his driving, setup, accurate gear changes etc. But if it is a fast rally where the drivers will be in top gear nearing the limiter for long amounts of time then there is absolutely nothing the driver can do.

For your S2000 point i think the best season to look at would be 2012 with Ogier in the Škoda Fabia. I had a quick look at EWRC-Results. His average speed was 1,9 lower in Greece and 1.73 in Finland than the leader. Not a massive difference. And the loss is not only from the lack of engine power for the S2000. As a counterpoint I would point to the ERC or national level in the S2000 or early R5 era where the N group cars could hang on with the much more nimble opponents on fast rallies like Estonia thanks to their superior top speed.

I must apologise, i misread the stat from EWRC-Results. The 1.9 and 1.73 are not average speed but seconds per km.

[er88]

Is there any advantage to completing the stage over the super rally option?He's not stuck out in the cold ;)

[AnttiL]

Did i see it wrong or did Seb didn't have helmet at end of stage?

This was also reported at Finnish rally radio.

[itix]

He's not stuck out in the cold ;)Hahahaha =D
True!

[Mirek]

I must apologise, i misread the stat from EWRC-Results. The 1.9 and 1.73 are not average speed but seconds per km.

It was 1,00 and 1,93 one year before (with Hänninen). But ok, let's agree to disagree ;)

[wwbroe]

Gryazin is taking fastest time on this stage, five seconds up on Lappi

[Oliverk]

Gryazin is taking fastest time on this stage, five seconds up on Lappi

Lappi did something last split. Lost 20 seconds

[er88]

I know they're only two rallies in, but is anyone else getting a bit tired with Neuville moaning about his co driver/intercom after every stage? Fair enough his tone is different, but when you do a stage time like that at least leave out any mention of the co-driver, or even praise him. Solberg has a new co driver, yet he's not mentioned it or moaned once.

Before Croatia, Neuville either needs to sort out his diff£r£nc£s with Gilsoul, or make it work with Martin/ find someone more suitable. He can't keep struggling/moaning about this

[HarriK]

Lappi did something last split. Lost 20 seconds
Spun and need to reverse.

[EstWRC]

I know they're only two rallies in, but is anyone else getting a bit tired with Neuville moaning about his co driver/intercom after every stage? Fair enough his tone is different, but when you do a stage time like that at least leave out any mention of the co-driver, or even praise him. Solberg has a new co driver, yet he's not mentioned it or moaned once.

Before Croatia, Neuville either needs to sort out his diff£r£nc£s with Gilsoul, or make it work with Martin/ find someone more suitable. He can't keep struggling/moaning about this

+1.

he seemed to have changed at Monte, didnt complain there at all. here the same old again

[wwbroe]

I know they're only two rallies in, but is anyone else getting a bit tired with Neuville moaning about his co driver/intercom after every stage? Fair enough his tone is different, but when you do a stage time like that at least leave out any mention of the co-driver, or even praise him. Solberg has a new co driver, yet he's not mentioned it or moaned once.

Before Croatia, Neuville either needs to sort out his diff£r£nc£s with Gilsoul, or make it work with Martin/ find someone more suitable. He can't keep struggling/moaning about this
He was not really moaning, but said that intercom is still not working perfectly

[EstWRC]

He was not really moaning, but said that intercom is still not working perfectly

bu im still wondering, they had a test here and rally in Estonia and still the problem?

[wwbroe]

bu im still wondering, they had a test here and rally in Estonia and still the problem?

Maybe it has indeed something to do with the change in helmet from Stilo to Bell?

[TypeR]

bu im still wondering, they had a test here and rally in Estonia and still the problem?
it depends on the stage times..
bad stage - bad intercom, good stage - no problems..

[Mirek]

Seems that Ogier really retired.

[EstWRC]

Kaur fastest in r5 class!!!!

[dimviii]

https://i.ibb.co/vJ4NWyj/154711554-252055343290872-7643459801987062908-n.jpg

[dimviii]

if Tanak manage to get the max 5 points at super stage will be very close.All will be very close to be precise

Rovanpera : .... 34 pts

Neuville : ......... 32 pts

Evans : ............ 31 pts

Ogier : ............. 30 pts

Tanak : ............ 25 pts



Gryazin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPo_EZWYAM-zfw?format=jpg&name=large

[er88]

if Tanak manage to get the max 5 points at super stage will be very close.All will be very close to be precise

Rovanpera : .... 34 pts

Neuville : ......... 32 pts

Evans : ............ 31 pts

Ogier : ............. 30 pts

Tanak : ............ 25 ptsEarly days, but I hope we can have those 5 drivers pushing for the title going into the last 2/3/4 events.

In a way I'm slightly underwhelmed by Kalle here as I thought he could fight Tanak, but then again he's fighting for 2nd, finished 4th in Monte and could be championship leader going into Croatia :D

[denkimi]

Tomorrow a big battle between neuville and rovanpera. I expect neuville to win it in the end, so that would put him in the lead of the championship.

[Rallyper]

Per, power is a value. It is a value made of torque multiplied by engine speed which means power is always a thing of high rews (high relatively to the used restrictor).

If I say I don't believe that there are big differences in power between the cars I mean they have roughly same value of peak power, which means they can all reach about the same top speed if they had the same drag coefficient and were not limited by gearing. That's simple physics.

However what is important the most is the work the engine can deliver over a certain used RPM range (energy delivered). If you know how power curve looks, this work (or delivered energy) is the area of the graph between the RPM-axis (X-axis) and the power curve in the given RPM range (it's really that simple).

Why is torque important? Because power is torque x engine speed, i.e. when RPM is +/- given by the regulations what you can work on is the torque to achieve as flat power curve as possible (because the largest achievable area is square - when power curve is parallel to the RPM-axis). The most difficult part on that is IMHO to keep the engine efficiency over wide range of RPM, hence why the difference isn't usually in the peak power but in the curve shape.

In simple words. If you put the cars on a drag track and shift ideally you will probably have nearly same finish time for all. But now do the same but shift from 3rd directly to 6th gear and you will see the diffrence between the cars.

On fast events the engine use is closer to the ideal drag track while with more and longer turns (especialy with uneven radius) it gets closer to the second scenario because you need to use much wider RPM range than the ideal one.

I hope it's understandable now.

I do understand what you say. It´s theory in its best.

Using power is actually something else. If you have massive torque at 4000rpm is it worth anything at 7000? You were talking about the curve (diagram), yes? I´ve been benching (drag track?) several Opel 2,0 liter NA rally engines and know what a skilled technician can do with Weber carburators, giving me torque very useful going out from junction or gearshifting everywhere. But having that slight diference in power on 6th gear and 7500 - 8000 revs will make the differnece that Sunine talks about not having. (Not old Opel engines at those revs, todays)

Why should teams bather develop engines having a fully good one at present...?

[AnttiL]

Seems that Ogier really retired.

Now he gets +10 minutes for the stage, by finishing it would have been +19 minutes.

[dimviii]

Early days, but I hope we can have those 5 drivers pushing for the title going into the last 2/3/4 events.

In a way I'm slightly underwhelmed by Kalle here as I thought he could fight Tanak, but then again he's fighting for 2nd, finished 4th in Monte and could be championship leader going into Croatia :D

the good is tomorow will have good fights for positions 2-3 and 4-5 if nothing change at Sunday morning stage.
So at power stage everybody will push like hell.Everybody has a reason.
Ogier to earn as much points he can trying to avoid to leave with 0 points
Tanak will grab the chance to get again into the championship play,after the Monte fiasco.
Rovanpera he cant take it steady as Neuville is 1,8 sec behind.
Same with Breen and Evans ,as the later is 10,1 sec behind Breen.
This is not a power stage,this is the Hellhttps://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/metalo.gif

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/154754743_2541498552819552_8355130676922205526_o.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=FpmEahGKEiUAX9H1lkZ&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=3ca9621bc83f4aab7a9a27f8359cf984&oe=60611484

Ogier exit
https://twitter.com/PeAChapaRacing/status/1365717178222325765

[TypeR]

Now he gets +10 minutes for the stage, by finishing it would have been +19 minutes.

+ 3h of service instead of 45min

[dimviii]

Solberg mistake
https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/status/1365695535701782532

[dupanton]

Before Croatia, Neuville either needs to sort out his diff£r£nc£s with Gilsoul, or make it work with Martin/ find someone more suitable. He can't keep struggling/moaning about this

I don't think there is any chance of them working together again.
Gilsoul seemed to have moved on. His target is Dakar 2022. He was taking some lessons from Michel Perrin already this week. He used to do orientation and regularity rallies when he was young (one of the best codrivers in Belgium in that) so should do very good in Dakar I recon.

[T16]

if Tanak manage to get the max 5 points at super stage will be very close.All will be very close to be precise

Rovanpera : .... 34 pts

Neuville : ......... 32 pts

Evans : ............ 31 pts

Ogier : ............. 30 pts

Tanak : ............ 25 pts



Gryazin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPo_EZWYAM-zfw?format=jpg&name=large

What a shot.. mega!

[Rallyper]

Mads just said Neuville did one of the best performances he´d seen.

[Mirek]

Why should they bather develop engines having a fully good one at present...?

I have never said that. I said that peak power values of WRC cars are most likely nearly same and not the thing which makes the difference. The shape of the power curve is what you need to look at and restricted turbo engines have completely different power curve than your naturally aspirated Opel. Restrictor causes that the equation "more RPM = more power" doesn't apply. Therefore top speed at RPM limiter is not reached at peak power point. Hence why peak power value has nothing to do with the top speed.

[Mirek]

@ Rallyper: This is Fiesta R5 original and Evo power and torque curve (with the improvement values) - original one, not Mk II. For sure the current WRC cars have the peak power higher but it is good for the general idea of restricted turbo engines. You can see that Fiesta R5 gained only 2Hp peak power through its development (because of restrictor) but even over 30 Hp in low RPM due to the raise of torque.
https://i.imgur.com/RykBQlo.jpg

PS There is a also a reason why to try to have power as low as possible - all mechanical losses raise exponentially with RPM. It means that if you measure the power on wheels and not on the clutch you get rather different shape of the curve - a lot more is cut by losses at the top while nearly nothing is lost at the bottom.

[dimviii]

i really cant understand why Neuvilles choice was this guy.Didnt know these problems from start?
There wasnt any other co driver without these language problem?


Thierry Neuville
@thierryneuville

The main target tomorrow is to bring home a double podium for @HMSGOfficial
. The stage is a different profile to those we’ve done so far but the car has been working well, I have been feeling comfortable and if our communication is working well, then we’ll go for it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQe_51XUAIjqQ2?format=jpg&name=small




Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC

It's snowing quite much in Rovaniemi region at the moment. Tomorrow's stage is the closest to the city. #WRC #ArcticRallyFinland

[HarriK]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/154754743_2541498552819552_8355130676922205526_o.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=FpmEahGKEiUAX9H1lkZ&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=3ca9621bc83f4aab7a9a27f8359cf984&oe=60611484

Ogier exit
https://twitter.com/PeAChapaRacing/status/1365717178222325765


I was spectating that corner one year ago in Arctic rally.

[dimviii]

Guy Wilks
@GuyWilks

I have to say I was expecting #Mikklesen to fight with #Lappi here after saying he wanted to ‘dominate’ every round he competes in BUT Lappi is showing some class here to keep doing it stage after stage and having closing on a 50’s lead in.
#WRC2

[rage82]

if Tanak manage to get the max 5 points at super stage will be very close.All will be very close to be precise

Rovanpera : .... 34 pts

Neuville : ......... 32 pts

Evans : ............ 31 pts

Ogier : ............. 30 pts

Tanak : ............ 25 pts



Gryazin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPo_EZWYAM-zfw?format=jpg&name=largeIf Tanak takes 5 points from the power stage he will have also 30 - 25 for the win + 5.

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[meh]

For me at the moment you wining about Neuville more then Neuville actually wining :) I would say it was way bigger problem in previous years with comments like "I got most of the rain / ice / snow / fog / sun" to search reasons, why he was "victim" but not the reason for slower times. This year I can watch it more like explanation when it is actually problem. Of course, there is question - why this problem is still there. I admit, that during next rally the same problem could be quite weird.

[AnttiL]

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/m-sport-ford-make-it-safely-through

M-Sport admitting they lose on fast sections

https://www.rallit.fi/teemu-sunisella-otti-pannuun-ja-rajusti-ei-kukaan-voi-havita-noin-paljon-ajamalla/

Suninen saying they lost at worst 4s/km on flatout sections. They have managed to get split time wins on 3-4th gear sections. He’s afraid the engine upgrade won’t be enough. Suninen also reminds how equal they were with Lappi in Fiestas, and how good Lappi is now in WRC2.

[dimviii]

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/m-sport-ford-make-it-safely-through

M-Sport admitting they lose on fast sections

https://www.rallit.fi/teemu-sunisella-otti-pannuun-ja-rajusti-ei-kukaan-voi-havita-noin-paljon-ajamalla/

Suninen saying they lost at worst 4s/km on flatout sections. They have managed to get split time wins on 3-4th gear sections. He’s afraid the engine upgrade won’t be enough. Suninen also reminds how equal they were with Lappi in Fiestas, and how good Lappi is now in WRC2.

4sec is much slower from r5 cars...

[Mirek]

4sec is much slower from r5 cars...

I can understand he was frustrated but saying bollocks won't help his cause.

[Myrvold]

How stuck have Bertelli's car been in snow bank really? Looks like it is almost on road. Could they had just shovelled it out or tried to put e.g. their jackets or something under tires to get more grip if needed.

You never got any answer, but Bertelli was further in than Ogier.

[dimviii]

Rovanperä has just 1.8s in hand and, although he promised “I will do the best I can” on Sunday to keep his place, he admitted to being disappointed by his lack of pace.

“Like I said before the rally if it [Hyundai’s pace] is coming from somewhere where you really cannot match it – it’s not mistakes or something, you just drive well and you’re not fast enough – it’s always difficult,” he said.

“I felt this rally I was really doing a good job on many stages but we are just not on the pace.”
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-has-toyota-struggled-on-a-rally-it-was-expected-to-win/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQzmwyXMBAGQib?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

haha Adamo class!
https://twitter.com/AdamoSays/status/1365741228902416386

[marcosg]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=878050769611999

Lappi

Enviado do meu SM-G985F através do Tapatalk

[imskln]

For me at the moment you wining about Neuville more then Neuville actually wining :) I would say it was way bigger problem in previous years with comments like "I got most of the rain / ice / snow / fog / sun" to search reasons, why he was "victim" but not the reason for slower times. This year I can watch it more like explanation when it is actually problem. Of course, there is question - why this problem is still there. I admit, that during next rally the same problem could be quite weird.

The excuse is pointless and even more useless to the new codriver. These talks are meant to be private, between you and the man beside you, I i magine these "communitaction" happen for every driver, but not once have I heard such relentless battering from a teammate to another. Afterall it is a team sport and bringing your teammate down my your own subpar driving isn't really something publicly commenting worth, but perhaps your own wallet "being the culprit".

[cali]

I'll give Neuville something. At night he's able to produce some outerworldly stage times. I remember at least Sweden 2017, Monte 2020 and now Arctic 2021 where he has been crushing everybody else on one night stage.

But yes, yacking about "communication" doesn't help Wydaeghe to gain confidence and this whole problem started out of disrespect towards Gilsoul. So it's only on him and nobody else.

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[TypeR]

4s/km loss on flatout sections would mean around 30+-kmh less speed than others. I doubt it their top was suddenly 170kmh..

Lappi is doing really good and maybe bringing Mikkelsen a bit back on the ground about taking it all :D

[dimviii]

I'll give Neuville something. At night he's able to produce some outerworldly stage times. I remember at least Sweden 2017, Monte 2020 and now Arctic 2021 where he has been crushing everybody else on one night stage.

But yes, yacking about "communication" doesn't help Wydaeghe to gain confidence and this whole problem started out of disrespect towards Gilsoul. So it's only on him and nobody else.



while you are right,we have to give him also that this is another rally that he is not fast from stage 1,but found the speed as the rally progress.The problem is that when he finds the speed is too late for a win.

[AnttiL]

4s/km loss on flatout sections would mean around 30+-kmh less speed than others. I doubt it their top was suddenly 170kmh..

Remember again that top speed is not the thing in rallying.

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC

Good morning, people of rallying! It's a #rallyzombies morning in #WRC #ArcticRallyFinland. Weather is similar to Friday's, a few minus degrees and misty. It should clear up though before the first run of Aittajärvi stage. The fresh snow is only 1 cm. Enjoy the day! #rovaniemi


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvSlBUTWgAELlj3?format=jpg&name=large

[itix]

That Scottish girl sure is a chatterbox
"it's been a full 2 weeks for you at Msport at minus 30, has it been enjoyable?"

"yeee"

[Oliverk]

Remember again that top speed is not the thing in rallying.

Suninen is not loosing on straights, but in 6th and 5th gear corners. Because zero aero, with zero development Ford.

[Lead]

Guy Wilks
@GuyWilks

I have to say I was expecting #Mikklesen to fight with #Lappi here after saying he wanted to ‘dominate’ every round he competes in BUT Lappi is showing some class here to keep doing it stage after stage and having closing on a 50’s lead in.
#WRC2

I'm surprised by this also. The thing is Lappi said he isnt even close to pushing, just driving in his own speed. But Mikkelsen after SS10 said, he is on limit, but the time difference is just huge. I wonder if there is something they are not saying on camera (nothing to take away from Lappi, I know he is talanted and fast, but time gap just seems too much).

[Rally Hokkaido]

4s/km loss on flatout sections would mean around 30+-kmh less speed than others. I doubt it their top was suddenly 170kmh..

Lappi is doing really good and maybe bringing Mikkelsen a bit back on the ground about taking it all :D

Out of interest, I was trying to spot the highest speed shown on the telemetry at the end of SS7 where there is a flat-out partly downhill run to the FF. From memory, Ogier & Takamoto were 193-194, Neuville & Tanak were 191 (on their limiters) and Sunninen & Greensmith were 189

[petrolhead49]

Remember again that top speed is not the thing in rallying.

True, but if you could only make 170 then it would, specially here where we see them riding the rev limiter a lot


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[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier

Back on the road for 2 more stages today

Chances to catch points in the Power Stage are realistically slim, but let’s try and see what comes out!

[EstWRC]

Tuohino not starting today, fell down yesterday night when coming out of sauna and hurt his shoulder

[Tauri_J]

Tuohino wont start today, dislocated his shoulder.

[EstWRC]

so this power stage sounds like a total Toyota stage with mostly flat-out, like yesterdays SS4

i have noticed the Toyotas kind of struggle on second passes this weekend so it could be very interesting fight between Kalle and Thierry with one gaining on first pass and the other on second pass

[dimviii]

Toyota GAZOO Racing WRT
@TGR_WRC

Good morning from #Rovaniemi where we’ve just completed morning service ahead of the final two stages of #ArcticRallyFinland!



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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTFSQ3WYAEw7H5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTFSQwXcAQm6Do?format=jpg&name=large

[TypeR]

Remember again that top speed is not the thing in rallying.

So if putting cars side to side on let's say 2km flat out section.. one going 185 and other passing it at 195khm, getting to finish earlier is not a thing..?

But okay, let it be..

Hyundai's guys did a great job w Breen's car.
In 15min service they managed to take the gearbox off and put it back with 3sec spare :D

[HarriK]

Mechanics took breen's car transmission out and back in within 15minutes morning service.

[dimviii]

regarding Breens gearbox was a problem,or a change to a longer final drive to stage character?

[petrolhead49]

So if putting cars side to side on let's say 2km flat out section.. one going 185 and other passing it at 195khm, getting to finish earlier is not a thing..?

But okay, let it be..

Hyundai's guys did a great job w Breen's car.
In 15min service they managed to take the gearbox off and put it back with 3sec spare :D

ok, did the math, it’s not a lot, but the differences are so small between winning and losing nowadays.

1km:
@ 190 km/h = 18.94 s
@ 185 km/h = 19.45 s
@ 180 km/h = 20 s
@ 170 km/h = 21.17 s


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[petrolhead49]

regarding Breens gearbox was a problem,or a change to a longer final drive to stage character?

oil leak apparently


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[Tauri_J]

+4 in the afternoon, probably favours Hyundai

[AnttiL]

so this power stage sounds like a total Toyota stage with mostly flat-out, like yesterdays SS4

It's even faster. SS4 had slow sections and junctions as well...well this has two junctions and one 800m slow section.

[EstWRC]

lol pure straight this first part

[Mirek]

Some wonderful static cameras out there :)

[itix]

regarding Breens gearbox was a problem,or a change to a longer final drive to stage character?I think gear ratios are fixed since many years ago iirc.

Incredibly impressive work to change the complete gearbox in 15 min. High fives all around the Hyundai team.

[EstWRC]

all with 5 tires except Kalle with 6

[Lead]

Doesnt look like a very interesting stage.

[EstWRC]

lets see Olivers splits now, he drove the stage a month ago

[cali]

So if putting cars side to side on let's say 2km flat out section.. one going 185 and other passing it at 195khm, getting to finish earlier is not a thing..?

But okay, let it be..

Hyundai's guys did a great job w Breen's car.
In 15min service they managed to take the gearbox off and put it back with 3sec spare :DSo you consider rallying as some one mile drag race :D wow

EDIT: and yet still Tänak who has scored one of the lesser top speed leads the rally...wonder why...

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[AnttiL]

Doesnt look like a very interesting stage.

This is how the Arctic stages typically are. For the four others they've picked out some more technical sections. Also all the military range stages were unavailable so they didn't have a lot to choose from on a quick notice.

[Mirek]

Katsuta faster than Ogier on splits :)

[Rallyper]

Suninen too wide all stage. Loosing time on that.

[dimviii]

fastest stage till now ss 5 SS5 Siikakämä 1 with 132,8 average
Ogier clocked now 131,5 average.

[dimviii]

Katsuta faster than Ogier on splits :)

keeping tyres for power stage probably for Ogier

[Rallyper]

Katsuta lost 0,5 secs to Ogier on last K. Even him going too wide...

[Mirek]

keeping tyres for power stage probably for Ogier

Yes, likely so. Still nice driving from him.

[EstWRC]

Hyundais loose time between spl1 and spl2

[Mirek]

fastest stage till now ss 5 SS5 Siikakämä 1 with 132,8 average
Ogier clocked now 131,5 average.

132,44 for Solberg now

[Rallyper]

Oliver!!!!

[EstWRC]

Breen 3.4 down on Evans in spl2

remember the gap is just 10 secs

[Mirek]

Breen 3.4 down on Evans in spl2

remember the gap is just 10 secs

3,6 between them before the last stage.

[dimviii]

132,44 for Solberg now

133,2 from Evans now

[dimviii]

Neuville lost 1,1 from Evans.Seems Kalle will be faster?

[denkimi]

Neuville lost 1,1 from Evans.Seems Kalle will be faster?
yep, 0.1 seconds.

now its just a matter of who has saved his tyres best.

[wwbroe]

Lappi again fastest, but just by small margin now.

[wwbroe]

Some big fights coming up in the power stage, especially between Thierry and Kalle, but also between Craig and Elfyn.

[MartijnS]

Some wonderful static cameras out there :)

Yes! First time ever? :D

[Sulland]

What a beautiful rally this has been.

Would be pefect to keep it on the calendar, just a few weeks after Sweden.

We deserve two winterrallies on the calendar!!:roll:

[EstWRC]

shame about Kaurs penalty yesterday, would lead the WRC3 class without that

also turned out he had some turbo problems yesterday or friday

[drive]

to kill time till Power Stage - analyse this :)
https://youtu.be/K3WWhlWCKBc

[EstWRC]

to kill time till Power Stage - analyse this :)
https://youtu.be/K3WWhlWCKBc

another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXSkOS5374

[HarriK]

And between stages live from Ruuhimäki today!
https://youtu.be/Aco4czwgtKs

[wwbroe]

Fourmeaux again stopped on stage?

[dimviii]

Fourmeaux again stopped on stage?

went into a snowbank

M-Sport
@MSportLtd

SS9 #WRC2: Becoming stuck in a snowbank on a slow corner through today’s opening speed test, @AdrienFourmaux
lost five minutes but managed to free his Ford Fiesta Rally2 and continue to the points-paying Power Stage #MSPORTERS


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[TypeR]

went into a snowbank

M-Sport
@MSportLtd

SS9 #WRC2: Becoming stuck in a snowbank on a slow corner through today’s opening speed test, @AdrienFourmaux
lost five minutes but managed to free his Ford Fiesta Rally2 and continue to the points-paying Power Stage #MSPORTERS


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a little hint to 2022's model? :D facelifted to Puma front lights? :D

[Rallyper]

And between stages live from Ruuhimäki today!
https://youtu.be/Aco4czwgtKs

Looking at both at the same time :)

[Lead]

Bring back Ostberg for powerstage :mad:

[wwbroe]

Bring back Ostberg for powerstage :mad:

That would be better

[EstWRC]

pure gravel road now

[Rallyper]

pure gravel road now

Will be furiously fast...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solberg sideways all the way

https://twitter.com/i/status/1365968681302446081

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTu-kbXYAAAs9e?format=jpg&name=small

[Mirek]

Will be furiously fast...

Nearly same time for Bertelli in both runs (slightly quicker in the second pass).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gary Boyd Rally Trivia

Since the 2017 #WRC cars arrived only 3 events have been won by a driver who led a rally from stage 1 to the end.

2018 Monte Carlo - Seb Ogier,
2018 Corsica - Seb Ogier,
2020 Sweden - Elfyn Evans

Ott Tanak is 22.47km away from making it 4.

[dupanton]

Troubles again for Loubet...

edit: and now he spon as well :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ooof Loubet

[EstWRC]

oh man very lucky, out of the ruts no grip at all

[Rallyper]

Nearly same time for Bertelli in both runs (slightly quicker in the second pass).

Yeah. And Loubet even slower... :) ;)

[TypeR]

Loubet has problems with engine and was looking the dash..

[Mirek]

Troubles again for Loubet...

edit: and now he spon as well :p

He said he was watching the dashboard for a second and binned it. The engine clearly sounded wrong.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier giving it all...

[Mirek]

Ogier 11 seconds faster than in the first run.

[EstWRC]

Ogier also quite wide in the last corner

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I bet Ogier really hates opening a snow rally after winning Monte all the time.

[TypeR]

Ogier also quite wide in the last corner

shouldn't win Monte's then.. :D

[AnttiL]

I bet Ogier really hates opening a snow rally after winning Monte all the time.

He's still won Sweden a number of times.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No big speed from Suninen on the PS - just bringing it home.

[meh]

Solberg faster then Ogier on 1st split
edit: 0.5 slower 2nd split

[Rallyper]

"Koko viikonloppu..." What? Suninen.

[AnttiL]

"Koko viikonloppu..." What? Suninen.

"You drove well the whole weekend"

[Mirek]

No big speed from Suninen on the PS - just bringing it home.

It didn't look like that to me. He was rather too wide in couple of corners judging by the helli shots. IMO he was pushing but it just wasn't enough (could be the car as well of course).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"You drove well the whole weekend"

Well no big mistakes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It didn't look like that to me. He was rather too wide in couple of corners judging by the helli shots. IMO he was pushing but it just wasn't enough (could be the car as well of course).

He wasnt going flat out and taking risks like he can.

[Mirek]

Great job by Katsuta. His best performance ever I would say but it helped him for sure that he knows this rally very well.


He wasnt going flat out and taking risks like he can.

How do you know?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solberg just going for it !

[Mirek]

Solbeg pushing obviously too much...

[EstWRC]

how can he hold his mouth open for such a long time? :D

[T16]

Great job by Katsuta. His best performance ever I would say but it helped him for sure that he knows this rally very well.



How do you know?

He’s probably read something that Colin Clarke has tweeted.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's being on the limit.

[TypeR]

he was wearing his glasses, that's why it happened :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen wasnt driving like that...