Rally 3 class

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport Fiesta will not be resting on its laurels...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-will-release-facelifted-fiesta-rally3-this-year/

[Sulland]

I very much agree with Woda in this statement:

“So I just hope it will be good for the market. A lot of people are just pushing for Rally2, Rally2, Rally2 and with no disrespect they cannot use Rally2, and they would be feeling much better [and] they would be actually more competitive.
“I’ve seen it in some of the championships where people move from Rally2 to Rally3, they have gone faster, and they move from Rally3 to Rally2 and they are still clocking the same stage times in much more expensive, much faster car.
“It just shows that Rally2 needs a big commitment right now – you need to have a driver who is really committed and is really on it. Rally3 is an easy car to drive, and it’s an enjoyable car to drive.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Definitely. This is the big message that needs to be put across and especially in Britain where the Rally3 has made virtually no impact yet.

[Jarek Z]

Only 3 Rally3 cars on the entry list of Rebenland Rally in Austria. And still 10 Mitsubishi Lancers. It doesn't seem likely that Rally3 is going to replace the old group N anytime soon:
https://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2023/nennliste.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

On the subject of Rally3, Jon Armstrong said on a podcast he is developing the Fiesta with MSport Poland and is very happy with the improvements.

Let's see if he does any giant-killing in Fafe...

[Kenneth]

I think that 3 Rally3 cars in Austria is a good number, as Austria is kinda anomaly with how popular N4, PROTO and R4 cars are there.

[Jarek Z]

I think that 3 Rally3 cars in Austria is a good number, as Austria is kinda anomaly with how popular N4, PROTO and R4 cars are there.

But if you look closer you will see that the actual number is 0, because all those crews are from abroad...

Another example - the first round of Italian championship and the number of Rally3 cars is 1, why?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/81289-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2023/

[ictus]

But if you look closer you will see that the actual number is 0, because all those crews are from abroad...

Another example - the first round of Italian championship and the number of Rally3 cars is 1, why?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/81289-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2023/

It's not that advantageous on tarmac

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq3z_5MWwBUFkIp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Sulland]

Will Ingram drive a Clio Rally3?
Just wondering due to the picture?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Will Ingram drive a Clio Rally3?
Just wondering due to the picture?

No just liked this pic of the Clio and the team are counting down the time til it hits the stages.

[Sulland]

No just liked this pic of the Clio and the team are counting down the time til it hits the stages.

Agreed, will be interesting to see if there are big differences between the Ford and the Renault in speed and drivability, or if we see the same pattern as in Rally2, where the top brands are very similar in speed per km SS.

Maybe the best way forward for Ingram is to take a year in Rally3, and get back confidence and win something.

[Jarek Z]

The first round of French rally championship. Only 2 Rally3 cars - less than old group N Mitsus and Subarus again:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80606-rallye-le-touquet-pas-de-calais-2023/

[Jarek Z]

The first round of Belgian rally championship. Only 1 Rally3 car:
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/b3ce46e4-e523-41f4-9722-b052b50bd93a/cb1fad5e-fd4e-431a-a1bc-73606e7f8b44_5.1%20BRC%20Entry%20List%20A.pdf

[Sulland]

I am guessing those in the market for a Rally3 in France, are waiting for the Clio.
If you start adding numbers on the entrylist, you see that french made cars are in majority.


The first round of French rally championship. Only 2 Rally3 cars - less than old group N Mitsus and Subarus again:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80606-rallye-le-touquet-pas-de-calais-2023/

[Jarek Z]

I am guessing those in the market for a Rally in France, are waiting for the Clio.
If you start adding numbers on the entrylist, you see that french made cars are in majority.

Are there so many patriots in France? ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrB-EOKX0AEpqCj?format=jpg&name=medium

[Alpine-110]

Hope for more cars in the class when clio is ok.

[Jarek Z]

Polish driver Piotr Parys is testing Ford Fiesta Rally3. Quite slippery for tarmac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXNh1qoEvRc

[Sulland]

Do anyone know if homologation process is on track for the Renault Clio?
1 April is not far away.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clio Rally3 at Rallye Terre des Causses

After its first demo run in Andorra, Clio Rally3 is set to make its first appearance in France next week at the Rallye Terre des Causses (31 March - 2 April) as part of the CFRT opening round.

Clio Rally3 will be part of the Rallye Terre des Causses organisation's crew as a 0 car, starting ten minutes ahead of the first competitors.

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[Sulland]

Good, and it is also going to be 3 ford rally3 there. I am pretty sure someone will comprare times between the clio and fieastas.
looks like the driver of the Clio is debuting with 4wd, so lets see what he will produce. He has been quick in rally 4 and 5.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsoiEk1XoAAcGiT?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

There was only one Ford Fiesta Rally3 in Valašská Rally, the first round of Czech rally championship. It was driven by Polish driver Marek Roefler, but had a serious crash on SS8:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/44600-valasska-rally-2023-crash-roefler-marek/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clio Rally3 onboard
https://youtu.be/FAPcjoQJaqQ

[Sulland]

Has the upgrade package for the Fiesta been published yet?
- upgraded parts
- price

[Jarek Z]

Clio Rally3 at Rallye Terre des Causses

After its first demo run in Andorra, Clio Rally3 is set to make its first appearance in France next week at the Rallye Terre des Causses (31 March - 2 April) as part of the CFRT opening round.

Clio Rally3 will be part of the Rallye Terre des Causses organisation's crew as a 0 car, starting ten minutes ahead of the first competitors.

Two more photos of Renault Clio Rally3 from Clio Rally3 at Rallye Terre des Causses:
https://cdn-8.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YMdy9yL2/s1200/rallye-terre-des-causses-1.webp
https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6VRbpbG6/s1200/rallye-terre-des-causses-1.webp

[Sulland]

What date can we expect the car homologated?
End of the month?

[AnttiL]

I thought it was already homologated on 1st April (not joking!)

[Sulland]

Ok, I will spend some time on FIAs pages.


Edit
The latest documents I found was from 10 march 23.
Can someone, that are good at digging, find something newer on homologations?

[Jarek Z]

Not bad. Six Fiestas Rally3 in the first round of 2023 Polish rally championship:
https://rsmp.pl/pliki/Lista_Zgloszen_Rajd_Swidnicki_2023_RSMP.pdf

[PLuto]

Not bad. Six Fiestas Rally3 in the first round of 2023 Polish rally championship:
https://rsmp.pl/pliki/Lista_Zgloszen_Rajd_Swidnicki_2023_RSMP.pdf

More than in all other races that weekend together (except WRC Croatia, part of JWRC, of course).

[Jarek Z]

One of them will look like this:
https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/amp/0k7zaRv0/s1000/jakub-matulka-daniel-dymurski-.webp
It will be driven by Jakub Matulka and it will compete in Polish championship as well as in selected rounds of ERC.

[Andre Oliveira]

More than in all other races that weekend together (except WRC Croatia, part of JWRC, of course).

Rally Bodrum -> 9

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/82197-rally-bodrum-2023/?ct=1019

[Sulland]

Found this on www.sadac.cz

"The Renault Clio Rally3 is expected to be homologated for competition use in April, making the car eligible for ERC events from the Islas Canarias Rally in May."

Now we are half through April, so news should come during the next two weeks, if info is correct.

[PLuto]

Found this on www.sadac.cz

"The Renault Clio Rally3 is expected to be homologated for competition use in April, making the car eligible for ERC events from the Islas Canarias Rally in May."

Now we are half through April, so news should come during the next two weeks, if info is correct.

As far as I know, debut in ERC is planned to different event...

[Jarek Z]

Rally Bodrum -> 9

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/82197-rally-bodrum-2023/?ct=1019

Whaaaat?! Ford Fiesta Rally3 wins SS1 and SS4 and leads the rally after 4 stages :O
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/82197-rally-bodrum-2023/?s=419543

[Sulland]

As far as I know, debut in ERC is planned to different event...

Poland then?

[manthey]

Whaaaat?! Ford Fiesta Rally3 wins SS1 and SS4 and leads the rally after 4 stages :O
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/82197-rally-bodrum-2023/?s=419543So Turkkan Ali was leading until ss6?

[Jarek Z]

So Turkkan Ali was leading until ss6?

And lost a wheel on SS7 :(

Final results:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/82197-rally-bodrum-2023/?s=419547

[Sulland]

Maybe Renault Alpine are waiting to get this update in before the rally3 gets approved?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/renault/clio/360014/new-2023-renault-clio-e-tech-revamp-reveals-sharp-look-pictures

[AnttiL]

Clio is now homologated

https://twitter.com/renaultseries/status/1650893284720386049?s=21&t=9Z8lGtVRMwOTfUEcUidVbw

[Jarek Z]

According to https://www.cliorally.com/clio-rally3-ready-to-conquer-the-world.html the first rallies for Renault Clio Rally3 will be:


Rallye Terre de Castine, with Quentin Ribaud (Fun Meca Sport), Manu Gascou (CHL Sport Auto) and Bastien Bergounhe (PH Sport)
Rallye Dieppe Normandie with Clio Trophy France Asphalte title-holder Thomas Chauffray (GMC Compétition)
Targa Florio with Italian Junior Rally Champion Alessandro Casella (Motorsport Italia).

Official Clio Rally4 driver in the French Rally Championship, Tom Pieri (3P Racing by BHR) will also be in a Clio Rally3 on the Rallye Antibes Côte d’Azur (May 18-20).

Good luck!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/renault-clio-rally3-passes-fia-homologation/

https://www.fiaerc.com/images/redaktion/ERC/2023-News/April/260423_Clio-Rally3_3_08709_frz_1400x788.jpg

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/erc-ready-clio-rally3-cleared-for-take-off----with-a-little-help-from-f1-/

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[Maciek]

Clio Rally 3 brochure:

https://bzconsult.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/BROCHURE-CLIO-RALLY3-2023-EN.pdf

Clio Rally 3 parts:

https://www.renaultsport-racingparts.com/catalog/lchfvmtr

[becher]

Clio Rally 3 brochure:

https://bzconsult.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/BROCHURE-CLIO-RALLY3-2023-EN.pdf

Clio Rally 3 parts:

https://www.renaultsport-racingparts.com/catalog/lchfvmtr

260hp claim from the manufacturer? The FIA might want to adjust the "280hp" claims of Rally2 cars.

[Maciek]

260hp claim from the manufacturer? The FIA might want to adjust the "280hp" claims of Rally2 cars.

Fabia is already 289hp :

https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/skoda-fabia-rs-rally2/basic-information/

[Sulland]

A while back, it was said that Renault had sold 25 cars. Do anyone know how many cars is in their sold book by today?

Do you think they have sold 50 by 32/12-2023?

[Jarek Z]

Some spectacular driving from Piotr Parys and his Ford Fiesta Rally3 on Swidnicki Rally, the first round of Polish rally championship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUJTZPjVQaM

[Jarek Z]

According to https://www.cliorally.com/clio-rally3-ready-to-conquer-the-world.html the first rallies for Renault Clio Rally3 will be:

Rallye Terre de Castine, with Quentin Ribaud (Fun Meca Sport), Manu Gascou (CHL Sport Auto) and Bastien Bergounhe (PH Sport)

3 Renaults Clio Rally3 on the entry list for Rallye Castine indeed. The rally starts on May 6. Clios will only have one opponent in the Rally3 class - veteran Belgian driver Dominique Bruyneel in his Ford Fiesta Rally3:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80616-rallye-castine-terre-doccitanie-2023/

[Jarek Z]

Karel Kupec (Ford Fiesta Rally3) wins Rallye Králíky in Czech Republic:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/82899-rallye-kraliky-2023/?s=419845

[PLuto]

Karel Kupec (Ford Fiesta Rally3) wins Rallye Králíky in Czech Republic:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/82899-rallye-kraliky-2023/?s=419845

It was "third league" race, rivals were not so great...

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 002

https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344753134_950885992622943_3605311821720492865_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=BCMbAjh4pWoAX-nKoRF&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfDimLMp2flz3tGFIr96SPq4Lw8vs0KknKY3SrfutvZ2 0g&oe=6454FE42

[AnttiL]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/junior-wrc/m-sport-poland-reveals-upgraded-fiesta-rally3-evo/


Notably, the car's front end has been given a facelift which includes a new bonnet, wingmirrors and bumper to enhance the efficiency of its cooling system, plus LED headlights and tail lights. Additionally, a new rear wing - already tried and tested on the Fiesta Rally2 - is also fitted.

The engine bay houses a new short-ratio gearbox aimed at improving torque delivery at lower speeds and improving acceleration, while the suspension dampers for both gravel and asphalt have also been upgraded. Another feature is new air ducts, which have been designed to enhance brake cooling.

https://www.wrc.com/images/redaktion/Season-2023-NEWS/Junior-WRC/May/020523_MS_R3_1_528b2_f_1400x788.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo5-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344795038_942030766920308_3275789960641728037_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=yJIJxMg1izAAX_CS90D&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-2.fna&oh=00_AfBmyh65-aJYH7nM6YyJ50lqnAklqZF_H-2M3eFk7ENfLg&oe=6455F489
https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344740981_136465405995663_4680470604255675102_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=9X9Zkkx-fKoAX9RJhNw&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfDsLLQeEF-T4yOAT_DOIK6q6tp0gwRl-56_pW3yukoKXg&oe=6455BD61
https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344721252_2003856699957652_6590818397588108356_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=6qLvD8PUpJsAX8oXLeb&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfBVcu7w8SCQK7rJW1XIBTeKU1L2WZmdFrszbj5ze7il 0Q&oe=64550198
https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344749177_737114474764220_5682566968971646524_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=GDBrHm11ct4AX9Kx2ma&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfAXJ0A4g2-heQnet4L_6wJpf31_oOSI1I2EicJL3qZoEg&oe=6456A810
https://scontent.fopo5-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344737312_784656903177198_5017178587475616625_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=MJ0Yx11fI-QAX-_9BCT&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-2.fna&oh=00_AfC5_VM3H2I4M7OAlE4fFvgwQQ9Z72GFRlG5JSxCL38F JA&oe=6454D75F
https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344736372_1441478189995869_4514141886479191666_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=yu_7vNMazZkAX-YmiTu&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfATdZtZzNV0Y4s6jZWS7hkhKrV85FyWJCs4Gmj7yNz8 ug&oe=64557BA3

https://www.facebook.com/gabapix

[Jarek Z]

Difference between the old and new version.

Old version:

https://www.wrc.com/images/redaktion/Season-2021-NEWS/Junior-WRC/November/241121_AT-Molly-Taylor-Finland_2021_c2e0d_x_0x0.jpg

New version:

https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344740981_136465405995663_4680470604255675102_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=9X9Zkkx-fKoAX9RJhNw&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfDsLLQeEF-T4yOAT_DOIK6q6tp0gwRl-56_pW3yukoKXg&oe=6455BD61

[Jarek Z]

Old version:

https://rally.ua/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/20210414rally3-poland.jpg

New version:

https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344749177_737114474764220_5682566968971646524_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=GDBrHm11ct4AX9Kx2ma&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&oh=00_AfAXJ0A4g2-heQnet4L_6wJpf31_oOSI1I2EicJL3qZoEg&oe=6456A810

[Jarek Z]

Can you see anything in such mirrors? ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A well-timed update for the Fiesta Rally3 to greet the new opponent (Clio).Well done M-Sport Poland.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jon Armstrong to demo upgraded Fiesta in ERC, plus more car details:

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/m-sport-poland-uses-erc-to-demo-upgraded-fiesta-rally3/

[Walach]

The new version, the orange one from today’s article doesnt have those rally2/wrc styled mirrors that are present on grey testcar.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvIEZWfWIAUkNi_?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And in action...

https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/1653359816864153602?s=20

https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/1653395257600475141?s=20

[Jarek Z]

Alessandro Casella with Renault Clio Rally3 on the entry list for Rally Targa Florio (number 28):
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/2b451299-b785-475d-ad2c-53f04b8c5435/3a5459ec-ffd8-4d23-ad87-b6f95652821f_ElencoIscritti%20%20Targa%20Florio%20 2023%20CIAR_def.pdf

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clio Rally3 at Rallye de Dieppe

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvYCJAuWYAAhsD7?format=jpg&name=large

Good start too...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvY_D4RXwAQuLhe?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fiesta Evo in action in Canarias...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvY2_ovXsAAxclx?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

Clio Rally3 here: https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80616-rallye-castine-terre-doccitanie-2023/
here: https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80707-rallye-national-de-dieppe-normandie-2023/
and here: https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/81290-targa-florio-rally-internazionale-di-sicilia-2023/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

1️⃣st rally ✅
2️⃣nd place overall ✅
3️⃣ stage wins against GTs and Rally2s ✅

A dream debut for #ClioRally3 with Thomas Chauffray, Anthony Hamard, GMC Compétition at the Dieppe Rally ! 🍾

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FveD3DHWwAE6NLG?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not to be outdone, the Fiesta Evo ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvd4OqbWYAAOdZ2?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

Renault Clio Rally3 finishes in the 19th position in Rally Targa Florio. Whether it's a good or bad result I don't know, because it didn't have any competition in the Rally3 class:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/81290-targa-florio-rally-internazionale-di-sicilia-2023/

[ictus]

Renault Clio Rally3 finishes in the 19th position in Rally Targa Florio. Whether it's a good or bad result I don't know, because it didn't have any competition in the Rally3 class:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/81290-targa-florio-rally-internazionale-di-sicilia-2023/

it was bearly faster than rally4s, and on some stages quite a bit slower. But I don't know the "quality" of the drivers, and let's face it, smooth tarmac is not really a place to shine for rally3. Lets wait for some gravel showdown against Fiesta

[Walach]

Armstrong finished Rally Islas Canarias with 1,76s/km loss to quite a decent driver in rally2 and it was also smooth tarmac.

[Andre Oliveira]

Poor M-Sport. Cars in all categories… but the worst one in all. Now the Clio Rally3 looks faster than a Fiesta Rally2.

[Jarek Z]

Armstrong seems happy with his Fiesta:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/armstrong-a-fan-as-fiesta-rally3-evo-proves-rapid-on-erc3-debut/

[Jarek Z]

A couple of photos of Renault Clio Rally3 from Rally Targa Florio:

https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/1471/b2ap3_large_28ok.JPG
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/1471/b2ap3_large_28a.JPG
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/1471/b2ap3_large_28b.JPG
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/1471/b2ap3_large_28.JPG

[Sulland]

Poor M-Sport. Cars in all categories… but the worst one in all. Now the Clio Rally3 looks faster than a Fiesta Rally2.

Might be a little premature to conclude after first weekend for the Clio, but it looks promising for the frenchman.
But I am looking forward to a rally with top drivers in both brands.

[wyler]

Poor M-Sport. Cars in all categories… but the worst one in all. Now the Clio Rally3 looks faster than a Fiesta Rally2.

depends on wich rally you choose to pick. in france, definitely, in italy it looked slower than rally4.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Now the Clio Rally3 looks faster than a Fiesta Rally2.

I hope you mean faster than the Fiesta Rally3 or M-Sport really is in trouble ?! ;)

[Sulland]

Any comments on the new car from any of the 5 Clio drivers last weekend?

[Jarek Z]

Tom Pieri is testing Clio Rally 3 before Rallye Antibes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RnEFroPJMM

Entry list is strong:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/79811-rallye-dantibes-cote-dazur-2023/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Renault Clio Series @RenaultSeries

A look back on #ClioRally3 debut in the French Gravel Rally Championship... We might be biased, but what a car ��

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwPFm2HWwAAQBcX?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/RenaultSeries/status/1658386545114505217?s=20

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fiesta vs Clio.... game on in Poland !

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/head-to-head-in-erc--rally3-rivals-set-for-action/

[Mise]

Looks nice. Would look nicer as a rally2. :D

[Sulland]

Did Soria have a pucture in SS3?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

4/4 stage wins so far for the Fiesta Rally3 Evo vs the Clio.

[ictus]

4/4 stage wins so far for the Fiesta Rally3 Evo vs the Clio.
4 stage wins for ARMSTRONG
clearly not the same "class" of drivers...

[Kenneth]

Yeah seriously did anyone expect that Soria would beat Amstrong?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You can only beat who's in the event.

And the way Renault have been raving about the results of their Rally3 in its opening events (on social media) I thought it was only fair to put it into context.

[Jarek Z]

I have just returned from the rally. In my opinion the debut of the new Clio in ERC was far from impressive. Armstrong was faster on all stages by far and Soria couldn't even defeat local drivers in their Fiestas. Finally, he rolled after flying finish of SS7 and was out of the rally. Unfortunately Soria doesn't have much experience in 4WD cars. Let's hope he makes some progress in the rest of the season.

On the other hand, the 10th position overall in Antibes shows that Clio Rally3 has good potential:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/79811-rallye-dantibes-cote-dazur-2023/

[PLuto]

I have just returned from the rally. In my opinion the debut of the new Clio in ERC was far from impressive. Armstrong was faster on all stages by far and Soria couldn't even defeat local drivers in their Fiestas. Finally, he rolled after flying finish of SS7 and was out of the rally. Unfortunately Soria doesn't have much experience in 4WD cars. Let's hope he makes some progress in the rest of the season.

On the other hand, the 10th position overall in Antibes shows that Clio Rally3 has good potential:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/79811-rallye-dantibes-cote-dazur-2023/

Until the retirement, Soria was always faster than polish drivers except puncture on SS 3.

[Sulland]

Would IMO be a good investment from Alpine to hire a good driver for a couple of ERC/WRC rallies as promotion.

[Jarek Z]

Would IMO be a good investment from Alpine to hire a good driver for a couple of ERC/WRC rallies as promotion.

Yes, someone like Cedric Robert should be good:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/930-cedric-robert/

[Sulland]

Yes, someone like Cedric Robert should be good:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/930-cedric-robert/

When we are out wishing, why not wish for the best, Loeb!
I bet he would have fun throwing it around!

[Jarek Z]

When we are out wishing, why not wish for the best, Loeb!
I bet he would have fun throwing it around!

I'm not going to protest against this proposal! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jon Armstrong has praised the package of changes made for the Fiesta Rally3 Evo after 3 ERC events in the new car.

The new front end has made a big difference to the engine cooling on hot events & improved brake cooling too, the new shorter gearbox ratios have improved the car on twisty roads and uphill parts, the new dampers have reduced bottoming-out on the roughest roads and the new rear wing has made the car better-balanced.

[ictus]

some footage of the Clio from Rally Poland:
https://fb.watch/kJT_uVc8AD/

[Jarek Z]

9 Fiestas Rally3 in Yesil Bursa Rallisi 2023, the second round of Turkish rally championship. The best of them finished the event in the 3rd place overall:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/83819-yesil-bursa-rallisi-2023/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/787662/?entry=3728200

[Jarek Z]

Paulo Soria is very happy with the new Renault Clio Rally3:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/soria-praises----very-efficient-and-very-intuitive----clio-rally3-following-erc-debut/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All WRC Juniors get the new Fiesta Evo in Sardinia...

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/junior-wrc/junior-stars-to-debut-fiesta-rally3-evo-in-italy/

[Sulland]

Are they getting new cars, or have the ones they have driven been upgraded?
Will the evo's be marked as evos in the ewrc db?

[Andre Oliveira]

All new except Hamzar that it was old spec upgraded.

[Sulland]

How much did the price go up for the Evo?

[Sulland]

Not bad at all

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80617-rallye-terre-daleria-2023/

[Andre Oliveira]

3 Fiesta Rally3 to Peru.

Nicolas Fuchs, Eduardo Castro and Carlos Castro.

[Jarek Z]

Not bad at all

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80617-rallye-terre-daleria-2023/

Yes, that was one hell of a result!

Unfortunately we can't say the same about the final result in Liepaja. Paulo Soria could not keep the pace of top ERC3 drivers and finished last in this category:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/79920-tet-rally-liepaja-2023/?s=424508&sct=564
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/2023/armstrong-seals-the-liepaja-erc3-deal-as-nore-wins-erc4/

[Sulland]

Its mostley about the driver. Fast drivers drive most cars fast!

[Jarek Z]

Renault Clio Rally3 wins again. This time in Ypres Rally in Belgium, where Benoit Verlinde finishes in the first position in his class and 22nd place overall. Second place in this category goes to the great Patrick Snijers with Ford Fiesta Rally3:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/79664-ardeca-ypres-rally-2023/?s=423853&ct=1019

https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/795551/?entry=3746913

[Jarek Z]

Renault Clio Rally3 third overall in Holland:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/80361-gtc-rally-2023/

[becher]

So on the Rallye Weiz there are a bunch of Fiesta Rally3 entered as FIA Rally Star. Where else are those crews usually entered?

[jcevc]

https://www.fia.com/calendar-training-season-2023

[becher]

https://www.fia.com/calendar-training-season-2023

Thanks!

[Sulland]

Close to 25 Renaults produced, and closing on 20 active cars.

Hoping to see a couple of renault/ford fights before the end of the season!

[PLuto]

Close to 25 Renaults produced, and closing on 20 active cars.

Hoping to see a couple of renault/ford fights before the end of the season!

I hope we will see the fight in Rome and Barum ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Easy win and the Championship secured in Rome. :champion:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2S0wBzXwAAOJwu?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FIAERC.com
While Italian legend Andreucci’s experience of the Rally di Roma Capitale stages is vast, the Motorsport Italia-run Clio Rally3, which was equipped with MRF Tyres, was an all-new experience for the veteran driver. He therefore spent the event on a development mission.

“It’s a good car but we start the work only on this rally so it’s very new,” said Andreucci, a multiple Italian champion and ERC event winner. “The car is fun, the brake and gearbox are fantastic. The damper and the set-up, we must do the development, adjust some things and also the set-up with the tyre but we improved during the day.”

[Jarek Z]

In Italy we saw another bad performance of the new Renault Clio Rally3 in the ERC. On previous occasions we could blame it on an unexperienced driver (Paulo Soria), but this time it was the famous Paolo Andreucci, who lost nearly 4 minutes to Armstrong. Strange.

https://rally-base.com/2023/rally-di-roma-capitale-2023/?ssId=7763&cupId=233&ssGroupId=1

https://i0.wp.com/www.noitv.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/foto-UCCI-renault-clio-1.jpg?resize=750%2C500&ssl=1

[ictus]

In Italy we saw another bad performance of the new Renault Clio Rally3 in the ERC. On previous occasions we could blame it on an unexperienced driver (Paulo Soria), but this time it was the famous Paolo Andreucci, who lost nearly 4 minutes to Armstrong. Strange.

He's nearly 60yo... his glory days are way in the past, also it was his first contact with the car...
But I still think the Clio is behind the Fiesta performance wise.

[Sulland]

Do anyone know the topspeed of the two Rally 3 cars, with highest gearing classed?

There is a lot of topspeed driving in Finland, so here topspeed matters.

[Co-driven]

In Italy we saw another bad performance of the new Renault Clio Rally3 in the ERC. On previous occasions we could blame it on an unexperienced driver (Paulo Soria), but this time it was the famous Paolo Andreucci, who lost nearly 4 minutes to Armstrong. Strange.

https://rally-base.com/2023/rally-di-roma-capitale-2023/?ssId=7763&cupId=233&ssGroupId=1

https://i0.wp.com/www.noitv.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/foto-UCCI-renault-clio-1.jpg?resize=750%2C500&ssl=1

And also the tyres is a factor to be taken into consideration. Apparently these MRF tyres have been developed quite a lot for Rally2 cars, but for the Rally3 was still a first iteration from a few years back.

[Sulland]

Will Toyota use 1 year to make their Rally3 car, or can we expect homologation before that?

[Sulland]

Will we see 1 or more Clio Rally3 cars in the Finish series in 24?
Finland has one of the most healthy Rally3 classes in their championship, so would be a good measurement.

[Jarek Z]

6 Fiestas Rally3 in top 10 of Lausitz Rally in Germany:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/79970-int-admv-lausitz-rallye-2023/

[Jarek Z]

GB Motors (Italy) buys Renault Clio Rally3:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/index.php/blog/g-b-motors-team-svela-la-sua-nuova-arma

[Jarek Z]

There will also be one Clio Rally3 in the Polish championship. It will be driven by Hubert Kowalczyk.

[Andre Oliveira]

Facelifted Rally3/4/5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEsTeO6XUAAvGa5?format=jpg&name=medium

[WRCStan]

Beautiful colourful Dieppe lol.

[Jarek Z]

Surprise surprise. According to this article:
https://rallyandrace.pl/renault-zdominowalo-liste-zgloszen-rajdu-monte-carlo/
Renault is the most popular brand on the entry list of 2024 Monte Carlo Rally:

Renault - 18 cars (Rally5, Rally4, Rally3RT, Rally3)
Skoda - 13
Toyota - 13
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 9
Peugeot - 8
Alpine - 5
Volkswagen - 3
Citroen - 2.

Ghjuvanni Rossi's Renault Clio Rally3 for Monte 2024:

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Rossi-Clio-Rally3-2024-e1704743295104.jpeg

[Sulland]

Is there a 1 year delivery time for the Rally3 Clio these days?

[Jarek Z]

According to the press release from Renault, 44 Clios Rally3 have been built so far, 84 are in production:
https://media.renault.com/new-era-and-new-style-for-clio-in-competition/?lang=eng

[Jarek Z]

Three official Clio Rally3s will be present in the French and Belgian Rally Championships this year, with support from Renault an Castrol:
https://media.renault.com/renault-and-castrol-promote-talent-in-2024/?lang=eng

[Sulland]

Since Ford has the JWRC class, Renault should make a cup for their Rally3 car under the ERC umbrella.
Ford has made a cup, but a Clio/Michelin cup would be good for youngsters, and maybe national Renault importers can send a national talent for international matching!

[Andre Oliveira]

JWRC 2025 will be open.

[Sulland]

JWRC 2025 will be open.

Perfect, world championship classes need to be open, and not a monopoly as a one car cup!

[Jarek Z]

Perfect, world championship classes need to be open, and not a monopoly as a one car cup!

Even when this one car cup is cheaper?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Even when this one car cup is cheaper?At least they're trying to accommodating another manufacturers. Although it'd be like Oreca & Ligier Cup (I hope I'm wrong)

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[Jarek Z]

The first Renault Clio Rally3 in Poland:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/873089/

[Sulland]

Even when this one car cup is cheaper?

It could be a Ford cup in WRC, and a Renault cup in ERC, swapping evey 3 years!

[saco0o]

toyota to build rally3 cars?
https://rallyjournal.com/details-emerge-on-toyotas-major-wrc-project/

[Gordini]

That was the plan. Not sure where that project is currently. But they have good data from rally 2 car now.

In some countries the rally 3 car can become national top class. Rally 2 are getting to expensive to buy and run.

[Jarek Z]

In some countries the rally 3 car can become national top class.

Do you really think so? In most countries there are not even 5 Rally3 cars competing.

[WRCStan]

JWRC 2025 will be open.

"To provide continuity and stability in the Junior WRC Championship, the extension of the exclusive car supply contract (M-Sport Poland Ford Fiesta Rally3 EVO) for the 2025 season was approved."

https://www.fia.com/news/stability-wrc-and-2026-regulations-formula-1-top-fia-world-motor-sport-council-agenda-samarkand

[Andre Oliveira]

Well, that goes against Renault thoughts.

[PLuto]

Well, that goes against Renault thoughts.

I think for Renault it is not surprise, extension of contract was expected...

[Andre Oliveira]

Est-ce que Renault espère rouler en JWRC à l’avenir ?

“On verra ce qui est le plus pertinent de faire. À l’heure actuelle, je ne sais pas quelle est la durée de contrat entre M-Sport et JWRC pour l’exclusivité de la Fiesta Rally3. On peut imaginer un contrat conventionnel sur trois ans, donc jusqu’en 2024 inclus.

Ce que l’on veut, c’est un championnat ouvert, comme à l’époque des S1600, et si possible avec des pneumatiques aussi différents.”


https://www.rallye-sport.fr/une-renault-clio-rally3-prevue-pour-avril-2023/

[PLuto]

Est-ce que Renault espère rouler en JWRC à l’avenir ?

“On verra ce qui est le plus pertinent de faire. À l’heure actuelle, je ne sais pas quelle est la durée de contrat entre M-Sport et JWRC pour l’exclusivité de la Fiesta Rally3. On peut imaginer un contrat conventionnel sur trois ans, donc jusqu’en 2024 inclus.

Ce que l’on veut, c’est un championnat ouvert, comme à l’époque des S1600, et si possible avec des pneumatiques aussi différents.”


https://www.rallye-sport.fr/une-renault-clio-rally3-prevue-pour-avril-2023/

More than two years old article... Situation is different. It was sure for long time that M-Sport will continue in JWRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

toyota to build rally3 cars?
https://rallyjournal.com/details-emerge-on-toyotas-major-wrc-project/

Seems not... :(

https://rallyjournal.com/jari-matti-latvala-dismissed-rumours-there-has-been-no-talk-about-it/

[Jarek Z]

Seems not... :(

https://rallyjournal.com/jari-matti-latvala-dismissed-rumours-there-has-been-no-talk-about-it/

That's a shame. There are so few Rally3 cars...

[Sulland]

Might come later, the Toyota. The only thing he said was no plans for the moment.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's a shame. There are so few Rally3 cars...

It would be a big shame, especially when they have the GR Yaris road car as a base.

[Sulland]

That's a shame. There are so few Rally3 cars...

The two current Rally3 manufacturers have made 200+ cars, so not bad.
But I feel we need som Junior stars, with some real personality, and Wrc and Erc need to give them airtime, both at and between rallies!!

[saco0o]

do u fellas think rally3 is good in nationals but kinda "meh" in erc? idk why... i hope Mille and Max goes direct to R5.

[AndersX]

The two current Rally3 manufacturers have made 200+ cars, so not bad.
But I feel we need som Junior stars, with some real personality, and Wrc and Erc need to give them airtime, both at and between rallies!!

Sesks did not drive R3, but his growth via ERC is a road map for other young talents. ERC under the same promoter as WRC is a good thing for this sport.

[Andre Oliveira]

R3 is not Rally3. Be rigorous.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

R3 is not Rally3. Be rigorous.

This kind of thing is happening all the time....

I've recently seen top journalists still calling Rally2 cars R5... and drivers calling them WRC2 Cars !

[Jarek Z]

Good to see so many Rally3 cars in the Greek championship:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/90629-mykteo-fthinoporino-rally-2024/

[stavrosGDB]

Yes,big interest for this category from the first round of the greek championship,many drivers agree that Rally3 is the future of the championship(Greece),we love subarus and evos here and the rally3 is like a successor to N4 class to us.

[Jarek Z]

I wish that it continues like this in Greece. Subarus and Mitsubishis are nice, but they are now in the past...

[Jarek Z]

Three Rally3 cars in the first round of the Austrian championship. And two of them with a very good result - in top 10 overall!

Results:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/79872-lkw-friends-on-the-road-jannerrallye-powered-by-wimberger-2025/?s=478624

Photos:
https://www.jaennerrallye.at/2025/fotos/12/27.jpg
https://www.jaennerrallye.at/2025/fotos/12/22.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Wow! 15 Rally3 cars in the first round of Finnish rally championship! It seems this class is finally really replacing the old group N:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/89549-hotelli-isovalkeinen-sm-ralli-kuopio-250-v-2025/?ct=221

[Sulland]

Finland has discovered the Clio Rally3, from 1 in last years season to 8 cars in 25.

[Andre Oliveira]

Armstrong and Fontana in development test in Portugal

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1G4EsUJ7oa/?mibextid=wwXIfr

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoHzKi5XUAIpUBW?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoHzKiwWAAA1s2k?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoHzKi3XIAAtube?format=jpg&name=large