Neste Rally Finland 2017

[lnvs]

If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.They hit limiter very early in Monte. So it was just shorter gearing than others.

[Mirek]

They hit limiter very early in Monte. So it was just shorter gearing than others.

Yes but usually too short gearing is used for a reason. Sometimes it's miscalculation but most of the time it's used to compensate worse engine performance.

[lnvs]

They had best/similar top speeds with Fords already in Sweden.

[mknight]

Second pass same spot, a bit smaller differences but same trend. Hyundai even slower than Citroen.

F-Ev 201
T-Lat 199
T-Lap 197
T-Han 197
F-Tan 196
F-Ost 196
C-Bre 195
C-Mek 195
H-Neu 193
H-Pad 192

[steve.mandzij]

Second pass same spot, a bit smaller differences but same trend. Hyundai even slower than Citroen.

F-Ev 201
T-Lat 199
T-Lap 197
T-Han 197
F-Tan 196
F-Ost 196
C-Bre 195
C-Mek 195
H-Neu 193
H-Pad 192Hanninen's telemetry did go up to 200 on the long straight before the chicane. still, this doesn't say much other than at most setup differences.

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[bluuford]

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

Well, Last stage was won by Tänak and I would say it was relatively normal stage :) .. There was a lot of spectators indeed;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_SUrKXkAMuQD1.jpg

including Veibys crash,which was huge!
https://youtu.be/kisACZaE5_s


Michelin video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZgZ_GLPaHA&feature=youtu.be&a

[Mirek]

Well, Last stage was won by Tänak and I would say it was relatively normal stage :) .. There was a lot of spectators indeed;)

I was already corrected by Dimitris ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Congrats to all top 4, pity for Latvala 2nd consecutive misfortune.

So why do you think Hyundai are not fast in Finland. Looks like their car is prepared well for any other surface but not these fast gravel with lot of big jumps. Could it be there is no fast enough driver for these during development phase? Neuville & Sordo were never fast here, probably Paddon was their best bet, but I don't know how much his input was decisive in car development. On shakedown it was clear the car doesn't handle jumps very well with nose lifting in the air. Could be they have more downforce at the back (or just more weight), which bodes well for more technical roads to get the maximum of the torque from corner exits, but the drivers must be careful with big jumps and taking them with more braking. Bigger downforce also increases the drag on the fast straights and that's another weak point, which was inclined by Neuville saying he has more confidence in the car when there was more grip at the second passes. Thoughts?

Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

[dimviii]

Torstein Eriksen‏*@TorsteinEriksen
Rally can be challenging! Not strange we almost crashed after, @MadsOstberg?#KeepReadingYourPacenotesTorstein @OfficialWRC @RallyFinland

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[Andre Oliveira]

Eheh love that hashtag

[dimviii]

photo by Jaanus Ree

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[SPKen]

SS24 Lempää top 3 jumps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKFb1_oYck

[A FONDO]

Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

"Sorting it out" in this case would mean only one thing - to make the car slower in all other rallies.

Toyota reached its peak in home rally but here comes two tarmac rallies and twisty OZ... Hold your horses 'til the late autumn mates. http://image.aimoo.com/emoticons/16fb8788-7076-48e6-9abf-02a0339923be/20111492151.gif

[cali]

https://youtu.be/AvElnDrYdMA

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[dimviii]

GHrallyemotion video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N15VwpFTxck&feature=youtu.be

[Lead]

including Veibys crash,which was huge!
https://youtu.be/kisACZaE5_s

Wow... thats one spectacular way to go off... Glad both of them are ok.
Too much speed before the corner and you're out.

[SubaruNorway]

My video from Rally Finland with the podium ceremony! A bit rusty since i haven't done anything since Rally Sweden and maybe too much energy drink causing some shaking, but hopefully you will enjoy it anyway! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKMHH7LZD8

[COD]

Lappi is the first non Jouhki-mafia finn after Grönholm to win a WRC-rally. Well done!

[ziggysony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
My video from a fantastic Rally Finland 201 .high speed,jumps,powerdrifts&show enjoy the rollercoaster*

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
My video from a fantastic Rally Finland 201 .high speed,jumps,powerdrifts&show enjoy the rollercoaster*

already posted,nice video btw.

[dimviii]

Lappi is the first non Jouhki-mafia finn after Grönholm to win a WRC-rally. Well done!

different mafia family though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Also bear in mind the result for Elfyn Evans given the lack of a pre-event test.

Brilliant 2nd place. :cool:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Sorting it out" in this case would mean only one thing - to make the car slower in all other rallies.

Toyota reached its peak in home rally but here comes two tarmac rallies and twisty OZ... Hold your horses 'til the late autumn mates. http://image.aimoo.com/emoticons/16fb8788-7076-48e6-9abf-02a0339923be/20111492151.gif

The other teams seem to manage to cope here as well.

It could be the difference in the Championship.

[stefanvv]

Also bear in mind the result for Elfyn Evans given the lack of a pre-event test.

Therefore his problems on Friday. Later he seemed to sort them out.

[mknight]

Commentator was saying something about the Finnish roads that dont suit the Hyundai chassis. They have more of a crown and aren't so flat.

Too bad Hyundai didnt sort it out after all these years in the WRC and they could've taken advantage of Ogier & Tanak's poor result...

What they were saying is that the road in Finland has a camber to it, meaning the profile looks like this ^ , higher in the middle and lower at the sides.

While that is true I wonder how that can be hurting only Hyundai.

[over jump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT0HwMtZ02Y

Toyota Gazoo Racing- Neste Rally Finland 2017

[HarriK]

Gorban off
https://youtu.be/jKkqzLZRK5M

[Allez Andruet]

It was an absolute treat to finally see the new cars live. WOW. And TGR... what can you say... Tommi has built something incredible with his team. Latvala's Saturday (while it lasted) was something not seen too often, absolutely beautiful. Lappi's perfomance truly was one for the ages and Hänninen finally managed to keep it more or less together all the way. Ofcourse Toyota 1-2 would've been even better, but still... 1-3 is not that bad either. And to have three Finns in top 4 (without even mentioning JML)... sorry guys, but we're gonna take back what's ours and rule it for a long long time.

[dimviii]

Suninen vs Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqw8xV9btLs

Lappi has less flamboyant style,more Loebish style I would say.

[dimviii]

sorry guys, but we're gonna take back what's ours and rule it for a long long time.

lol

[dimviii]

OUNINPOHJA‏*@jussinaarajarvi
Ouninpohja, Östberg stone @MadsOstberg @OfficialWRC @RallyFinland

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[steve.mandzij]

Suninen vs Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqw8xV9btLs

Lappi has less flamboyant style,more Loebish style I would say.Definitely cleaner but not extreme like Loeb

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[dimviii]

photos
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1550

[AnttiL]

Gorban off
https://youtu.be/jKkqzLZRK5M

Same place as Suninen

[EightGear]

Something which just dawned up in me: the top 4 drivers of this rally all were not driving WRC cars last year. And Breen in 5th was only doing that part time.

Pretty special.

[Ucci]

I wouldn't preduct even in my dreams that someone with just four appearances in the highest level already collects a victory in the WRC rally! And it doesen't matter if the rally is on his home yard! All main top WRC drivers have been driving those stages for ages....this result puts them in a bit "uncomfortable position". Again-well done Lappi!
Although for Esapekka&Juho the "sobering" will follow immediately on the German and Spanish tarmac. I put some chances for JML to be (without major retairements by Ogier, Sordo, Neuville, Meeke and Breen) in a fight for let say 4th or 5th position.....But, now it is time to celebrate.
This weekends greatest losers: Neuville, Sordo and Meeke. It hurts me watching last year's winner.....he is struggling with the C3's handling. I really hope for a "breakthrough" on tarmac.

[EstWRC]

Tänaks sideways jump from another angle https://twitter.com/mundorallys/status/891742395288735744

[AnttiL]

Something which just dawned up in me: the top 4 drivers of this rally all were not driving WRC cars last year. And Breen in 5th was only doing that part time.

Pretty special.

Last year's Rally Finland WRC2 top 3 was Lappi, Suninen and Evans and two stages before the finish this year we had the same overall top 3

[OHL]

Suninen vs Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqw8xV9btLs

Lappi has less flamboyant style,more Loebish style I would say.

This is quite interesting, thanks for posting.
At 1:14 there is something unusual going on. By unusual, I mean not seen very often. Notice the rear wheel stop rotating and the car suddenly yaw to the left. Perfectly timed application of the brakes.

[janvanvurpa]

I don't know, Makinen could fit quite a brain in that head of his.

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Steve seriously I know this sounds pedantic or something but it is very easy to mistake experience for brains...
I get sh!t on several US forums filled with kiddies who dream about their XR4Ti (2.3 turbo) Sierras, and their Volvo RWD cars and worst by wannabe Subie guys and many I know have never built a single engine, many never done a 1km of a Special Stage and they often say "You think you're so smart!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaa wha!"

I say "Not at all, although I know there are plaenty of people dumber than I am, I never have claimed to be smart. But even if I'm not particularly smart, I am analytical and I've been doing things like this for 40+ years....and even if you're not too smart, you are going to learn a good bit in 40 years if you are a little analytical.."

I had no doubts at all that an organisation under Tommi would be able to make 1st class rally cars....even if Tommi doesn't seem to be the brightest star in the sky because he has lots of experience at the highest levels.
He know his strengths and he knows the skills but more important the attitudes needed in the whole staff and fortunately a fair amount of the normal grunt work stuff demands skills and attitudes readily available in Finland:.
Grit and determination..
so yeah he could, but he doesn't need to..
.experience trumps brains

[steve.mandzij]

Steve seriously I know this sounds pedantic or something but it is very easy to mistake experience for brains...
I get sh!t on several US forums filled with kiddies who dream about their XR4Ti (2.3 turbo) Sierras, and their Volvo RWD cars and worst by wannabe Subie guys and many I know have never built a single engine, many never done a 1km of a Special Stage and they often say "You think you're so smart!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaa wha!"

I say "Not at all, although I know there are plaenty of people dumber than I am, I never have claimed to be smart. But even if I'm not particularly smart, I am analytical and I've been doing things like this for 40+ years....and even if you're not too smart, you are going to learn a good bit in 40 years if you are a little analytical.."

I had no doubts at all that an organisation under Tommi would be able to make 1st class rally cars....even if Tommi doesn't seem to be the brightest star in the sky because he has lots of experience at the highest levels.
He know his strengths and he knows the skills but more important the attitudes needed in the whole staff and fortunately a fair amount of the normal grunt work stuff demands skills and attitudes readily available in Finland:.
Grit and determination..
so yeah he could, but he doesn't need to..
.experience trumps brainsI enjoy your passion for the subject, but I was just making a joke because of Tommi's big head :D



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[stefanvv]

I enjoy your passion for the subject, but I was just making a joke because of Tommi's big head :D

You do know people effectively use only 10% of their physical brain, right? Proportion doesn't matter much.

[steve.mandzij]

You do know people effectively use only 10% of their physical brain, right? Proportion doesn't matter much.I really didn't expect people to analyze my joke this much... Mustn't have been funny :(

The "joke" was that in Tommi Makinen's head there is a big brain, period. His mental capacity of experience or whatever was irrelevant, okay?

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[stefanvv]

The "joke" was that in Tommi Makinen's head there is a big brain, period. His mental capacity of experience or whatever was irrelevant, okay?

Yeah I understand that, but still that 0.3% more than other's do some job better (some other probably not), don't You think?

[nafpaktos]

Suninen vs Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqw8xV9btLs

Lappi has less flamboyant style,more Loebish style I would say.

apart from maybe two places(where suninen slides the car(a little )more than Lappi i really cannot extract from this video any kind of conclusions about their driving styles.

[janvanvurpa]

You do know people effectively use only 10% of their physical brain, right? Proportion doesn't matter much.

Are you sure about that? Nice myth that has been around for 100 years or so but...https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-people-only-use-10-percent-of-their-brains/

[janvanvurpa]

I enjoy your passion for the subject, but I was just making a joke because of Tommi's big head :D




OK I get you, its just there's so much BS yack and ironically so much Sh1t-talk for more than 10 years from some person who works in science who seems completely clueless about his total lack of real knowledge about anything connected with rally...and who clearly doesn't understand the role experience plays---since he has NOT ever had any experience..and despite his own evidence of 10+ years of his groundless opinions based on mouth and what he so conceited thinks is brain-power, he misses that giant error in his thinking: he has zero experience..

And if Tommi has a "big head" in any meaning, I say he earned the right.

Heja Tommi! Heja Toyota, and above all HEJA FINLAND!

[stefanvv]

Are you sure about that? Nice myth that has been around for 100 years or so but...https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-people-only-use-10-percent-of-their-brains/

Of course not. That's the official statement from whoever that is. 20 years ago it was 15% (IIRC), so are the people getting dumper, or the medicine (supposedly) getting more advance is anyone's guess. And on what basis they have even calculated that?!? As the article says it (the brain) is very complex thing, there are few parts of it (with different functions and purpose) interacting together with unknown influence over each other. How can one even put some correct numbers on it, when we're even uncertain of our own origin?!? Darwin's theory doesn't fit though....

[janvanvurpa]

Of course not. That's the official statement from whoever that is. 20 years ago it was 15% (IIRC), so are the people getting dumper, or the medicine (supposedly) getting more advance is anyone's guess. And on what basis they have even calculated that?!? As the article says it (the brain) is very complex thing, there are few parts of it (with different functions and purpose) interacting together with unknown influence over each other. How can one even put some correct numbers on it, when we're even uncertain of our own origin?!? Darwin's theory doesn't fit though....

Only a little off topic--since we're talking about Tommi's brain and the remarkable results of the Toyotas----here's a fascinating essay on the brainand its function and where we --well those rich enough---may be going..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Deus:_A_Brief_History_of_Tomorrow

[stefanvv]

Only a little off topic--since we're talking about Tommi's brain and the remarkable results of the Toyotas----here's a fascinating essay on the brainand its function and where we --well those rich enough---may be going..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Deus:_A_Brief_History_of_Tomorrow

I know it's little off-topic, in-fact I don't underestimate Makinen's achievements, quite the opposite, perhaps there is only one certain forum member that does and we know who he is. I personally don't think the Japanese are "that stupid" to give him credit, quite the opposite. I'll give a look at that book, seems interesting.

A little on-topic - Yaris looks remarkably boring during the rally, but still really fast. It kind of reminds me of Makinen's performances in 90's. Coincidence?!?

[the sniper]

Apologies if I've missed it, but I don't think anyone has mentioned that Emil Lindholm pushed Nil Solans off the road after he caught the latter on the stage, Solans having gone off on that now infamous corner on the Päijälä stage. That's how Solans ended up running through the stage with his boot open. Lindholm's onboard of it is featured in the official JWRC highlight video from 2m 45s onwards, but happens without comment : https://youtu.be/eIzEnewuNx8?t=2m45s

Great rally anyway. As much as anything else it's really promising for the future to have so many younger guys showing so much ability already. I feel that we could soon have a depth in quality Drivers/entrants at the top level of the WRC that we haven't seen since the early 2000s.

The only disappointing thing? Feels hard to believe, but there are only 4 rallies left!

[janvanvurpa]

You ever caught a slower car on a stage??? You MUST close up because of rock-spray or risk radiator or windscree or lights getting smashed...But if you close up to 1m or so it is a good chance you'll punt the guy off if they slow up..

The guy had just rolled, his SS is fawked, he must be aware if he's blocking other people and really should give way..

Interesting how easily the 2 cars simply rolled over with hardly any provocation... same cars, same prep, same corner, same lack of hitting anything, just Blooooop! over they went..
Wonder what the problem is?

[noel157]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
My video from a fantastic Rally Finland 201 .high speed,jumps,powerdrifts&show enjoy the rollercoaster*

Great video Ziggy but don't risk your life for it, especially on the outside of a side jump.
Be careful out there.

[samzon100]

Photos Neste Rally Finland 2017 26-30.7.2017:bounce:

https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste+Ralli+2017++07.17/Neste+Ralli+2017/

[dimviii]

Suninen close call
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23398-hot-moment-teemu-suninen-wrc-rally-finland-2017/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGDdEIcXYAAdQ2l.jpg


thumbs up from Vatanen to Suninen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_Sc54XoAAl_tE.jpg

[denkimi]

Suninen close call
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23398-hot-moment-teemu-suninen-wrc-rally-finland-2017/

it's amazing that he made it to the finish with so much small and less small off's.

[AnttiL]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4363/stewards_decision_no_6.pdf

Tom Williams disqualified

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4363/stewards_decision_no_9.pdf

Jari Kihlman got 30 sec penalty for missing a chicane in Ouninpohja

[samWRC]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4363/stewards_decision_no_6.pdf

Tom Cave disqualified

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4363/stewards_decision_no_9.pdf

No that's Tom Williams not Cave.

[AnttiL]

No that's Tom Williams not Cave.

Thanks for noticing, I stand corrected. Actually I heard on the rally radio during the opening stage reports that Tom Williams was the first to retire, as their engine had broken down in the shakedown and they were getting a new engine for day 2.

[gianni123]

WRC Neste Rally Finland - 2017 (with a hot moment for suninen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dSMQHOQG3A

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Autosport
Hyundai's new WRC points leader Thierry Neuville defends his "clever" drive to a low-key sixth in Finland:
https://t.co/2J6u5OrHmy

Clever ? Yeah, right.

And not so 'clever' for the Manufacturer's championship was it Thierry...

[dimviii]

Rally Finland winner Esapekka Lappi feared he had blown his maiden World Rally Championship victory with his penultimate stage mistake.
Defending a 42.2-second lead on Lempaa, Lappi was attempting to drive safely but a mistake born of that conservative approach nearly cost him.
“It’s not so easy to drive a car like this when you are not pushing,” said the Toyota driver.
“It’s not like the R5 car; the aero and the centre diff are not working so efficiently when you drive like this.
“I went into one corner a little bit early and it tightened, a rear tyre dropped off the road and it broke the rim.
“I wanted to kill myself at this moment. I really thought something was broken on the car.”
Lappi joked that he was “following Kris Meeke”, who had gone off through a car park on the final stage as he won in Mexico, and said he was still struggling to believe he had triumphed in only his fourth event in a World Rally Car.

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/lappi-thought-hed-blown-finland-win/

[dimviii]

@Autosport
Hyundai's new WRC points leader Thierry Neuville defends his "clever" drive to a low-key sixth in Finland:
https://t.co/2J6u5OrHmy

Clever ? Yeah, right.

And not so 'clever' for the Manufacturer's championship was it Thierry...

I agree that he was clever and mature.At a rally he was from the slower crews,he managed to gain plenty of points from Ogier.

[mknight]

Lol, now Ogier should repeat Neuville's comments after Poland and be angry on Latvala/Østberg/Meeke "giving" points to Neuville.

Anyway for Germany running first or second doesn't matter 99% of the time, but for Spain it could be quite a disadvantage on friday.

[dimviii]

WRC Neste Rally Finland - 2017 (with a hot moment for suninen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dSMQHOQG3A

Meeke at 4,25

[dimviii]

Anyway for Germany running first or second doesn't matter 99% of the time, but for Spain it could be quite a disadvantage on friday.

situation will be more complex when they will reach GB and Australia,specially Australia with big role at road position.
Maybe the guy who will come as 2nd at Australia will have a big advantage.All these if they are close to points with no retirements for both of them at previous rallies.

[dimviii]

Bunnings video
https://youtu.be/fC7vaXi47Fo

[dimviii]

e-rally video
https://youtu.be/vWorFXAupW8

[EstWRC]

WRC Neste Rally Finland - 2017 (with a hot moment for suninen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dSMQHOQG3A

excellent video! thanks

[dimviii]

with nice holky inside
https://youtu.be/qdeWuGYL9Ns

[jparker]

it's amazing that he made it to the finish with so much small and less small off's.

I wonder, is that his driving stile, or he was just driving on the limit?
Imagine how fast he could get after sorting out all those mistakes.

[AnttiL]

I wonder, is that his driving stile, or he was just driving on the limit?
Imagine how fast he could get after sorting out all those mistakes.

Not much experience from the car. Also, trying to be fast to show the team bosses he has the pace. And he succeeded in that. He just needs more testing and more races in a WRC car and he'll be a winner.

[dimviii]

Not much experience from the car. Also, trying to be fast to show the team bosses he has the pace. And he succeeded in that. He just needs more testing and more races in a WRC car and he'll be a winner.

for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.
See Meeke for example.

[mknight]

It's easier to make a fast driver reliable than to make a reliable driver fast.

That off course doesn't mean it's always possible.

[steve.mandzij]

It's easier to make a fast driver reliable than to make a reliable driver fast.

That off course doesn't mean it's always possible.And sometimes, when all hope of both speed and consistency seems lost, it appears (JML :D)

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[Thousandlakes]

Suninen has biggest push almost every clip. Looks like he is over the limit most of the places. Luckily survived until the end. Looks nice atleast. Start to like him already. He has bright future in wrc like Lappi. Huttunen showed good pace aswell. Lets see if he has enough balls to take next step.

Hyundai have same problem with shock absorbers than last year. Rear is powersliding too much and car balance after jumps not perfect like Ford. Paddon did couple of good stages but but...

Tänak obviously loose mood after puncture. Waiting lot of him.

Ogier has two crashes in one week. Lets see in germany if he is back again.

Toyota just wow. Wasnt any surprise that they were that level in Finland. You will see in germany good speed aswell.

Nice rally and i like these new wrc cars. Start to look like real rallying after many years. Amazing speed and sounds nice also. I was in shakedown and jukojärvi stage. Only hate that concretes. Hope they (fia) listen drivers and cutting continues next year.

Thank you for the Videos. Awesome action!!

[BigWorm]

@Autosport
Hyundai's new WRC points leader Thierry Neuville defends his "clever" drive to a low-key sixth in Finland:
https://t.co/2J6u5OrHmy

Clever ? Yeah, right.

And not so 'clever' for the Manufacturer's championship was it Thierry...

He knew his pace wasn't there, so he took it steady to watch the others fall instead of going speeds he couldn't handle. Turned out alright for his championship, didn't it...

Pretty Ogier-esque this season if you ask me.

[steve.mandzij]

He knew his pace wasn't there, so he took it steady to watch the others fall instead of going speeds he couldn't handle. Turned out alright for his championship, didn't it...

Pretty Ogier-esque this season if you ask me.Yeah, sure, but early in the event he was bitching about how he wouldn't be competitive. He knows he sucked but he's passing it off as if he'd planned it all along.

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[stefanvv]

for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.
See Meeke for example.

Luck is what You made it. He seems to know where he would "get through" with overdriving, more or less, probably sometimes the "luck" won't work, but this rally seems to show he is able to judge more dangerous and less dangerous. In the end he was overdriving a lot, imagine he achieved 2nd place, which wasn't that far away just 2 stages to the end, he wasn't that lucky after all.

[AnttiL]

An interesting observation is the speed of WRC2 this year. Last year Lappi finished less than five minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 122.8.kph This year's WRC2 winner Jari Huttunen finished over ten minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 118.2 kph. That kind of result would have been fourth, maybe sixth in WRC2 last year, even with Tidemand retiring on the last stage. So there's still work for him to do, as well for all the R5 drivers this year. You could argue that the route this year was worse for R5 cars, but we can compare also Lempää, which was exactly the same this year, and Greensmith's fastest time is almost 6 seconds slower than Tidemand's last year.

EDIT: Looking closer, it's probably just that the route was made much slower with chicanes, and the WRC cars compensated that by being so much faster, whereas R5 cars were slowed down.

[JUF]

@AnttiL You forgot that the World Rally Cars have become faster while the R5 cars haven't. I don't think that the difference is really five minutes...

[AnttiL]

@AnttiL You forgot that the World Rally Cars have become faster while the R5 cars haven't. I don't think that the difference is really five minutes...

Yeh, the route was slowed down exactly the same amount that WRC's got faster, since the winning average speeds were about the same. But I believe that's only 50% of the difference for R5 cars. Like I said, the stage times this year on stages that weren't slowed down were slower. Also, we saw how Veiby was the fastest R5 car before crashing. And usually Tidemand is faster than him, and last year Lappi and Suninen were faster than Tidemand.

If we compare the fastest R2 cars, last year Max Vatanen was 26 minutes behind the winner with 108.8 avg speed. This year Nicolas Ciaman was 28 minutes behind the winner with 106.3 average speed. The difference isn't that big there.

[Eli]

Hey guys, does anybody have a link for Ogier's crash from a fan's eye view? (& not something that belongs to WRC.com) thankx

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[ziggysony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL9AMd6ro8
1371

[cali]

AnttiL you forgot that this year specially on saturday road conditions were more wet/damp


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[AnttiL]

AnttiL you forgot that this year specially on saturday road conditions were more wet/damp



That's true as well.

We can also look at the points table and see that the best WRC2 point scorers weren't driving this year, and the WRC2 top 3 of last year went to WRC, so it was expected to have a lower level than last year.

[AnttiL]

I only realized afterwards that Veiby skipped Portugal, which is a mandatory round in WRC2, so therefore he has already contested in five rounds in WRC2, with two more mandatory rounds, and seven is the maximum. That's why he wasn't going for WRC2 points in Finland.

[paddocknews]

Mads Østberg´s 50-meters jump / Neste Rally Finland 2017 / Ouninpohja SS19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbH8MToots

[tommeke_B]

Had a great Rally Finland. Great action from the new WRC cars, in Finland the difference becomes even more clear. A lot of spectators on some places. Especially on Ouninpohja it was crazy, I've rarely seen so many people on a rally.

A few photos:

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20616767_1889431791068698_994092259948483390_o.jpg ?oh=d003bfefa7ff6914fc84736b60d5596f&oe=59FD78A9

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20507700_1889430711068806_1679032182987333484_o.jp g?oh=3866d46f3042a1cdbb33d3594f5a29fe&oe=59F7AFFA

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20543829_1889430614402149_7494101939865183775_o.jp g?oh=c43c3ff7e82a1df81991b86318f8f771&oe=5A02BE85

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20451977_1889430451068832_7137041217879517707_o.jp g?oh=a235cb93512720b4fdb7627fa70bbdda&oe=5A379EC9

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20545552_1889431834402027_4647620846374830480_o.jp g?oh=4f4e89d0e7f5b027589f16c5bf6534f6&oe=59FDA753

Small album: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1889430137735530

[wrc2017]

That car is running on the sump guard..
Meeke at 4,25

[dimviii]

but this rally seems to show he is able to judge more dangerous and less dangerous. In the end he was overdriving a lot, imagine he achieved 2nd place, which wasn't that far away just 2 stages to the end, he wasn't that lucky after all.

yes he wasn't lucky as you said, he was able to judge dangerous and less dangerous places.
This place for example he was able to judge it as ''not dangerous''

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20616767_1889431791068698_994092259948483390_o.jpg ?oh=d003bfefa7ff6914fc84736b60d5596f&oe=59FD78A9


yea he wasn't lucky at all.

[BigWorm]

yes he wasn't lucky as you said, he was able to judge dangerous and less dangerous places.
This place for example he was able to judge it as ''not dangerous''

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20616767_1889431791068698_994092259948483390_o.jpg ?oh=d003bfefa7ff6914fc84736b60d5596f&oe=59FD78A9


yea he wasn't lucky at all.

He seems to be on the limit all the time. Many moments in both Poland and Finland, v lucky to get to the finish as he could very well have retired in both, but in the end he got nice results.

[dimviii]

When that was put to him by Autosport following Meeke's Finland result, Matton replied: "There is nothing which shows me it was not the right decision.
"We expected more from this weekend.
"At the beginning of the rally he had the right pace, but his approach was different here.
"I can understand his frustration, but he came to the finish and he brought back a lot of information.
"For a driver like Kris, who is a real competitor, it is frustrating, but I think this is the right approach."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131068/meeke-struggle-a-hangover-from-being-benched

[mknight]

He seems to be on the limit all the time. Many moments in both Poland and Finland, v lucky to get to the finish as he could very well have retired in both, but in the end he got nice results.

Well his goal for both these starts was to show he could be fast... not that he could be reliable... or reliably fast.

In Poland after the stage win on Friday which had a lot to do with starting position he was good, but not "wow" fast.

So he went to Finland with same approach, show speed at any cost and he managed that. Even if he crashed say on Saturday afternoon his goal was still achieved.

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@Meeke

Obviously it's exactly as I wrote a month ago. Depending on your angle you can say that benching in Poland ruined his Finland (that's what he says), or that Finland showed it was right to bench him cause he actually made it trough all 3 days now and it was the only choice (Matton).

If he won/did very good you could do the same, say that it shows it was correct to drop him cause he finally made it to finish (Matton would say that), or that it shows it was wrong to drop him cause look how good he is .

[Rallyper]

for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.
See Meeke for example.

But let´s see how he gains experience. Have to wait. Suninen new chapter.

[stefanvv]

yes he wasn't lucky as you said, he was able to judge dangerous and less dangerous places.
This place for example he was able to judge it as ''not dangerous''

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20616767_1889431791068698_994092259948483390_o.jpg ?oh=d003bfefa7ff6914fc84736b60d5596f&oe=59FD78A9


yea he wasn't lucky at all.

Well on Sunday after some time loss missing a chicane on Saturday he said "I had to try", didn't he? That usually means taking more risks in which his luck might fail.

[dimviii]

Well on Sunday after some time loss missing a chicane on Saturday he said "I had to try", didn't he? That usually means taking more risks in which his luck might fail.

we didn't discuss if he ''tried'' but if he was lucky when he ''tried''

[N.O.T]

its always the same story... after a specialized event the autism of some people kicks in and they see future champions everywhere...

dogs full of flees have more value that all of you in society...

[stefanvv]

we didn't discuss if he ''tried'' but if he was lucky when he ''tried''

I'm discussing his behavior "in general" not just few stages, because that was Your initial post, later You change the direction. Comparing with Meeke as You said, where is Meeke driving slowly and taking no risks at all? Didn't he still had some "issues", puncture or what was it?!? What was the purpose to push that much and nearly crash in car park in last stage in Mexico? Isn't that more dangerous than jumping slightly in a small ditch like that on the picture?

[Subbe]

Pictures from Rally Finland http://www.mkpictures.com/2017/NesteRallyFinland2017.html

[Rallyper]

its always the same story... after a specialized event the autism of some people kicks in and they see future champions everywhere...

dogs full of flees have more value that all of you in society...

Why so sore and ugly when you´ve been so wrong about a lot of things latest half year? Be a man. Admit, and go further.

[jparker]

Why so sore and ugly when you´ve been so wrong about a lot of things latest half year? Be a man. Admit, and go further.

Let him suffer in peace.
He needs time to recover from the panic attack caused by 4 Finns and 3 Toyotas lading the rally at one point ...

[Luijbregts]

Rallyper, N.O.T is clearly not emotionally attached to this sport like we are. Just do not give him any comments anymore :-) Wonder what he means by ''specialized'' events every time ?!?. When one wins rally finland in ones lifetime you need a great car and you have the talent to drive!

[dimviii]

I'm discussing his behavior "in general" not just few stages, because that was Your initial post, later You change the direction. Comparing with Meeke as You said, where is Meeke driving slowly and taking no risks at all? Didn't he still had some "issues", puncture or what was it?!? What was the purpose to push that much and nearly crash in car park in last stage in Mexico? Isn't that more dangerous than jumping slightly in a small ditch like that on the picture?

you can discuss whatever you want,but when you quote somebody ,try to be on subject,and not something you think that we are talking.

first post was this from AnttiL


Not much experience from the car. Also, trying to be fast to show the team bosses he has the pace. And he succeeded in that. He just needs more testing and more races in a WRC car and he'll be a winner.

I quote this and reply that

for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.
See Meeke for example.

then you come and quote me writing that he is not lucky,just he knew where to push,at safe corners.(lol x 1000)


Luck is what You made it. He seems to know where he would "get through" with overdriving, more or less, probably sometimes the "luck" won't work, but this rally seems to show he is able to judge more dangerous and less dangerous. In the end he was overdriving a lot, imagine he achieved 2nd place, which wasn't that far away just 2 stages to the end, he wasn't that lucky after all.

then I reply with the photo with the ''safe place'' to push that he knew that if he overdrive he will not have a problem

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20616767_1889431791068698_994092259948483390_o.jpg ?oh=d003bfefa7ff6914fc84736b60d5596f&oe=59FD78A9

and then you jump at another discussion that ''he had to try''


Well on Sunday after some time loss missing a chicane on Saturday he said "I had to try", didn't he? That usually means taking more risks in which his luck might fail.

nobody said that he hadn't to try,ALL members who reply at this topic here, said that he was lucky when he tried.
so YOU changed the direction of discussion,not me.
Try to read carefully,and reply with less audacity.

[AnttiL]

http://i.imgur.com/1r95I67.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z6WXo1s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/59rYzwu.jpg

[AnttiL]

great photo timing on this one
http://i.imgur.com/0WQe1vf.jpg

[racerx1979]

So from what a few people told me while in Finland (some who work for TGR) is that they are seriously looking at Tanak for next year since Juho will be out. If Ott stays at M-Sport Teemu is next in line.

[Allez Andruet]

So from what a few people told me while in Finland (some who work for TGR) is that they are seriously looking at Tanak for next year since Juho will be out. If Ott stays at M-Sport Teemu is next in line.

I'd seriously doubt any TGR-related information for the time being, no matter who's the source. After the rally, Tommi praised his current line-up in Finnish media (in answers to questions pointing to 2018 line-up), so basically you can make up pretty much anything from these bits and pieces. Tänak might join, Juho might stay, no-one knows at the moment. I guess we know - or can predict - more after Germany/Catalunya.

[mknight]

Well Tanak is clearly most likely candidate for Tommi.
That said if I were from Toyota leadership I'd be a bit worried about getting 3 "Finish" drivers that mostly like same rallies (well we dunno about Lappi that much). Sure for one year during development it's ok, but as a long term strategy they should get someone very good on tarmac. But there aren't exactly many choices. (Ogier, Sordo, partly Mikkelsen (no tarmac ace, but prbly better than Tanak), Evans is also generally better on tarmac than gravel).
Getting Sunninen when they have Lappi as a "young" talent is imo also risky. See Citroen how it might end with 2 drivers with little experience.

[Rallyper]

I should put my money on Tanak to Toyota.

[drive]

and Tanak deserves to get more paid :)

[Lawrence Clift]

Slightly off topic...... We drove from the UK to Finland (my son wanted a road trip :rolleyes:) and left on the Monday before the rally via France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia to get to our hotel near to the Laukka stage. Shakedown was just stunning! I'm not ashamed to say that I had tears in my eyes as we were finally able to see and hear the cars rather than watch them on videos. Friday we saw 4 stages (Halinen and Laukka) and, on Saturday, left our hotel at 3AM to go to the yellow house jump on Ouninpohja where we arrived at 04.30! We weren't the first spectators there although we had a great position. After the jump we went to what was probably my favourite stage, the Kakaristo hairpin on Ouninpohja. The atmosphere was fantastic within the 2k+ spectators especially when the two remaining Toyota's came into view. In the 8 days of travelling, we totaled 6,540 Km's...... Here's a video showing our memories from the rally. Thanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwz-tFOkcA&t=0s

[AnttiL]

Two great long videos, showing the crazy speed of the WRC cars better than the official footage

ToniProductions: https://youtu.be/5kXXBXu92j0
Motorsportfilmer: https://youtu.be/cKKMHH7LZD8

[baffo]

Flat out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1dRc3UlVvY&t=10s

[Co-FIN]

..Just here to watch N.O.T suffer in his autism :-) Funny sport that with shitty cars and even dogs driving you can still be competive and win races. Imagine what good team could do with great driver :D


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[dimviii]

Lappi
https://youtu.be/e0Hc8UR3fmo

[AnttiL]

http://www.ts.fi/urheilu/moottoriurheilu/ralli/3601805/Neste+Ralli+oli+suurin+ja+suosituin+vuosiin

There is no exact numbers but it's estimated that Rally Finland was more popular than in a long time.

I kept hearing on the rally radio that parking spaces are full and the traffic is jammed, and many experienced spectators had to change their plans because they couldn't get from stage to another like they could do in the previous years. Of course having a Finland-based team and more Finnish drivers means something, but I believe there's also something about the new WRC cars that has brought interest back in the sport.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Lappi
https://youtu.be/e0Hc8UR3fmo
"Go to the WRC+. Now..!"

Does Red Bull TV also has onboards..

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[Gams]

Here is our video from amazing 14 stages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpPiFG_eDOE

[racerx1979]

On Saturday nearly every stage was packed. My friend runs a tour group and they were packed and had to turn people away. They were also forced to stay at the same stage on Saturday since it was impossible to find decent parking on other stages. I wonder what the final count was, but I heard somewhere that it far exceeded 300k spectators. The 90's had over half a million spectators

[Ide]

Rally Finland 2017 gallery is now ready! There are plenty of photos about 8 special stages and the podium ceremony.

http://www.ilkansivu.net/en/photos/motorsport/wrc/463-neste-rally-finland-2017

[NoFear85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGK5jJ6v2JE

[ernestcooke91]

My video from the rally last weekend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbblCyDgYY0

It was my first time attending Rally Finland last weekend. I absolutely loved it, best rally I've ever attended!

[A FONDO]

In case you missed it, FTT-Rallye :eek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u7eA-5tWb4

[MTA]

Fantastic rally as usual.
Pictures from those 3 days can be seen here:
Friday:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1323304161100087.1073741929.498772900219888&type=3

Saturday:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1323351474428689.1073741930.498772900219888&type=3

Sunday:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1323384301092073.1073741931.498772900219888&type=3

[Lawrence Clift]

We are planning on going to Finland again next year although there will be 8 of us. Does anyone have/know of accommodation close to Jyvaskyla please? Thanks.

[rp]

We are planning on going to Finland again next year although there will be 8 of us. Does anyone have/know of accommodation close to Jyvaskyla please? Thanks.

Welcome! One of the best places could be Himos in Jämsä area. More information: http://www.himosholiday.com/en/seasons/neste-rally-2018/