Neste Rally Finland 2017

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans right up with Hanninen now... 1.3s ! :)

[A FONDO]

nice passes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfA2j-cg3Y

[dimviii]

Sat 18:52 - SS21: Evans
Quickest so far and still battling for second or third. "It's turned out exciting. Yesterday I never thought we'd be in this position. A podium is possible for sure. Let's wait and see."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big fight with Neuville tomorrow... Breen: 'Bring it on !' :cool:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Would be great to see M-Sport with a four car team, have Teemu in the squad and best two drivers score manu points! Four different liveries too... now whose the third driver?

[Eli]

Big fight with Neuville tomorrow... Breen: 'Bring it on !' :cool:

As much as I want Neuville to take the lead of the championship, I still really want Breen to hold him off for fifth!
BTW, what a battle for 2nd we have!! Go Evans!!

[Mise]

from second to fifth, it's all open. Great rally

Edit: to sixth, since only 14 secs between Neuville and Breen

[mknight]

As much as I want Neuville to take the lead of the championship, I still really want Breen to hold him off for fifth!
BTW, what a battle for 2nd we have!! Go Evans!!

Neuville needs 4th or PS points to lead.

Breen should hold him off with so few kms, but mistakes can happen.

[Eli]

Neuville needs 4th or PS points to lead.

Breen should hold him off with so few kms, but mistakes can happen.

Right, my bad, & for the second part you are more than right, this is rally.
P.S.
Real shame about J-M, didn't deserve to end the rally like this.

[stefanvv]

Neuville needs 4th or PS points to lead.

3 points

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS21: 1-2-3 for M-Sport. :)

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/jHnwcqo.jpg

[seb_sh]

Too bad for Latvala, he was doing a great rally. On the other hand 2017 just pulled another trick from the bag and we will probably have a new winner again!

[EstWRC]

Has anyone else won on his 4th event already? Mighty impressive from lappi, I have no words, beyond impressive. So sad for latvala. Just when he had a chance to join the championship fight again!

Totally disappointed with Tänak this event. Something just so wrong. Evans whole day faster than him and no speed at all.

[Tarmop]

More thinking, less words maybe...

[AnttiL]

SS21: 1-2-3 for M-Sport. :)

First non-Finnish stage win on a forest stage in this rally

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF6uDUyWAAAIGKE.jpg:large
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20294550_1427246654021899_115852246384654575_n.jpg ?oh=602f2261c805c97b45b53f028509f13d&oe=5A06AF00
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https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20476176_1427246734021891_7381028797230673714_n.jp g?oh=c2a946ac05ba781ee49aef606f8a3701&oe=5A34C5D9


https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1424232277656670

[steve.mandzij]

Predictions for driver of the rally? It'll likely be Lappi and he totally deserves it, but Latvala could still be picked. Had it not been for his failure he'd probably be comfortably leading today and ready for his fourth Finland victory :(

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[dimviii]

lucky
https://www.facebook.com/RadstromMotorsport/videos/1566378740060183/

[dimviii]

Predictions for driver of the rally? It'll likely be Lappi and he totally deserves it, but Latvala could still be picked. Had it not been for his failure he'd probably be comfortably leading today and ready for his fourth Finland victory :(

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pitty for Latvala,he was doing an excellent job.This year that he has avoided driver mistakes,he has mechanical retirements.
Definetely not a lucky guy.
Driver of the rally? Definetely Lappi.
Latvala competing for 13 years non stop,to win a rally inside your homeland isn't something special

[mknight]

Totally disappointed with Tänak this event. Something just so wrong. Evans whole day faster than him and no speed at all.

Road position today imo. He even said it in an interview. Al Quassimi and Sordo in front of him have completely different lines + road cleaning. He was leading until the crash on SS4 and also friday afternoon did good times without any motivation.

Leg 2:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36019-neste-rally-finland-2017/?leg=2

He beat Sordo by 1:47. He is second M-sport point scorer and now they have a chance to extend their lead in championship. If he went full push and was 20s quicker (Lappi speed) it wouldn't change anything in the standings anyway with possibly much more risk, so as a team boss I'd be very happy with him.

[stefanvv]

Predictions for driver of the rally? It'll likely be Lappi and he totally deserves it, but Latvala could still be picked. Had it not been for his failure he'd probably be comfortably leading today and ready for his fourth Finland victory :(

You're right, I would probably add Suninen, Breen & Evans to this list, not shining as Toyota drivers but both deserve some credit - Suninen 2nd in his only 2nd wrc collecting some stage wins on the way, Breen for doing so well with the car he has, and being in front of Neuville right now, Evans for his impressive progress on this surface.

They are so many, can't pick one.

[racerx1979]

Hanninen has not faired well when under pressure. I think Sunninen will take second and Evans third even though I would love to see Hanninen on the podium.

[EstWRC]

Road position today imo. He even said it in an interview. Al Quassimi and Sordo in front of him have completely different lines + road cleaning. He was leading until the crash on SS4 and also friday afternoon did good times without any motivation.

Leg 2:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36019-neste-rally-finland-2017/?leg=2

He beat Sordo by 1:47. He is second M-sport point scorer and now they have a chance to extend their lead in championship. If he went full push and was 20s quicker (Lappi speed) it wouldn't change anything in the standings anyway with possibly much more risk, so as a team boss I'd be very happy with him.

Ok looking at this day2 results it isn't that bad at all.

[SPKen]

SS21 Päijälä, include Suninen moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixtTLWpNRC0&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport‏

Up to the end of Leg 2, the 2017 @RallyFinland has been the fastest event in WRC history (average so far: 127.1kph) #wrc #RallyFinland

[mknight]

Predictions for driver of the rally? It'll likely be Lappi and he totally deserves it, but Latvala could still be picked. Had it not been for his failure he'd probably be comfortably leading today and ready for his fourth Finland victory :(



Suninen or Lappi for me ( in that order).

As mentioned Latvala drove this a million times and won 3 times.

Lappi very good but car obviously works very well (using Hanninen as reference), and the team is based here and it's where Lappi could drive the car most.

For Suninen it's second event and he had only limited test close to the rally after Ogier wrecked the car, if he gets second place I'd definitely pick him.

[dimviii]

SS21 Päijälä, include Suninen moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixtTLWpNRC0&feature=youtu.be

wow car bounched so hard and he escaped..

[over jump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zdsFEkGdXI

SS16 Ouninpohja Sideways Jump

[mknight]

On Latvala onboard from the retirement there is some sharp impact on the corner just before loosing power (4:38 in). Could have contributed.

[Andre Oliveira]

Sebastien Ogier will not restart Rally Finland for the final day after further medical tests on his concussed co-driver Julien Ingrassia.

World Rally Championship leader Ogier retired from Friday's leg when suspension damage from a heavy landing led to a crash in which his M-Sport Ford hit a tree on Ingrassia's side.

The rally's chief medical officer Dr Timo Kaukonen said late on Friday that Ingrassia had suffered concussion and advised him not to compete for 15 days.

While acknowledging that decision, M-Sport wanted more time to get further tests done so checked Ogier's repaired car out of parc ferme for leg two before retiring it again.

It had to go through the formality of restarting for Saturday in order to be allowed to do so on Sunday, when powerstage bonus points are available.

Having had a CG scan on Friday, Ingrassia underwent an MRI scan on Saturday at a different hospital. The scans were both clear but the diagnosis of concussion was upheld.

He is expected to be fit for the next WRC round in Germany next month.

M-Sport's Rich Millener said the team accepted the decision.

"We just wanted some through checks from the neurosurgeon today," he said.

"They came with the same prognosis so that's fine.

"He just needs some time off to make him fully fit for Germany.

Sebastien Ogier Rally Finland 2017

"We had the [Friday] decision given to us late at night without the crew and we wanted the opportunity to make a further decision today with the crew around, and that's what we did.

"The organisers agree with us. There's no harm to going to get more tests, which is what we'd done.

"The outcome is the same as what the CMO here said. The CMO gave great advice.

"Nothing against any of the decisions made previously, we just wanted to get some more options before the final decision."

FIA rally director Jarmo Mahonen backed M-Sport's decision to seek further advice.

"I'm not a doctor, but the understanding is that it's a medical ethics issue and you're entitled to a second opinion," he said.

It initially looked like the damage to Ogier's 11-point WRC lead would be limited as his title rival Thierry Neuville struggled in a distant ninth on Friday morning.

But slightly improved pace from Hyundai and attrition ahead has moved Neuville onto the tail of fifth-placed Craig Breen going into the final day.

Neuville is on course to get either eight points for sixth or 10 for fifth, with another five available on the powerstage.

"It means [Ogier] will go away from here with nothing but you can't risk the safety of the crew," Millener added.

"[Ingrassia] needs to look after himself. There's no point doing anything else.

"Germany's going to be exciting for the fans now."

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131018

[dimviii]

Latvalas reaction

https://twitter.com/suomi_urheilu/status/891334087465742337

[KKS]

nice passes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfA2j-cg3Y
Really good one!

And rally organizers put post inside a corner to prevent road damage by cutting? But same people make chicanes, where road dig up to 20cm. No logic for me.

[sindroms]

Let's go! Lets start to check out Mads on-boards on plus.wrc.com! Which stage?!!! :D
https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/891355611098746880

[KKS]

Ogier didn't restart tomorrow https://www.facebook.com/MSportLtd/photos/a.108349819208079.4742.106632069379854/1589320547777658/?type=3&theater

Latvala will restart?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So zero points for Ogier in Finland, not even from the power stage.

Neuville's poor performance here wont cost him anything.

[Eli]

Sebastien Ogier will not restart Rally Finland for the final day after further medical tests on his concussed co-driver Julien Ingrassia.

World Rally Championship leader Ogier retired from Friday's leg when suspension damage from a heavy landing led to a crash in which his M-Sport Ford hit a tree on Ingrassia's side.

The rally's chief medical officer Dr Timo Kaukonen said late on Friday that Ingrassia had suffered concussion and advised him not to compete for 15 days.

While acknowledging that decision, M-Sport wanted more time to get further tests done so checked Ogier's repaired car out of parc ferme for leg two before retiring it again.

It had to go through the formality of restarting for Saturday in order to be allowed to do so on Sunday, when powerstage bonus points are available.

Having had a CG scan on Friday, Ingrassia underwent an MRI scan on Saturday at a different hospital. The scans were both clear but the diagnosis of concussion was upheld.

He is expected to be fit for the next WRC round in Germany next month.

M-Sport's Rich Millener said the team accepted the decision.

"We just wanted some through checks from the neurosurgeon today," he said.

"They came with the same prognosis so that's fine.

"He just needs some time off to make him fully fit for Germany.

Sebastien Ogier Rally Finland 2017

"We had the [Friday] decision given to us late at night without the crew and we wanted the opportunity to make a further decision today with the crew around, and that's what we did.

"The organisers agree with us. There's no harm to going to get more tests, which is what we'd done.

"The outcome is the same as what the CMO here said. The CMO gave great advice.

"Nothing against any of the decisions made previously, we just wanted to get some more options before the final decision."

FIA rally director Jarmo Mahonen backed M-Sport's decision to seek further advice.

"I'm not a doctor, but the understanding is that it's a medical ethics issue and you're entitled to a second opinion," he said.

It initially looked like the damage to Ogier's 11-point WRC lead would be limited as his title rival Thierry Neuville struggled in a distant ninth on Friday morning.

But slightly improved pace from Hyundai and attrition ahead has moved Neuville onto the tail of fifth-placed Craig Breen going into the final day.

Neuville is on course to get either eight points for sixth or 10 for fifth, with another five available on the powerstage.

"It means [Ogier] will go away from here with nothing but you can't risk the safety of the crew," Millener added.

"[Ingrassia] needs to look after himself. There's no point doing anything else.

"Germany's going to be exciting for the fans now."

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131018

If Neuville doesn't get any points in the power stage honestly....Ogier will take that title....

On a more positive note, what a drive by Lappi, on only his 4th run in a World Rally Car and not just any World Rally Car but a 2017 spec?...most impressive!! I mean when you think about it up until this season their was a pretty nice difference between R5's and WRC cars, but this year the difference is huge, so to come like this and win (is it?) 8 stages?! Hats off to him and to be leading...really hope he will cross that finish line tomorrow in the same position he is now. BTW, when was the last time a thing like this happened? I know Loeb won on his 10th event and Ogier a bit after that...speechless for now.
Also what a job from Sunninen, on only his 2nd event? Finland's rallying future is looking very bright right now like it's very own northern lights.

[EstWRC]

Really good one!

And rally organizers put post inside a corner to prevent road damage by cutting? But same people make chicanes, where road dig up to 20cm. No logic for me.

Just look at the Toyotas, totally clued into the track! No wonder they are so fast

[dimviii]

Tanaks 49 meters jump
https://twitter.com/RallyFinland/status/891321633469865984



Michel V.‏*@rockollector
Now Ogier unfortunately can't restart tomorrow, Neuville can become first 'new' driver to lead championship since Latvala (SWE '14). #WRC

[racerx1979]

Ogier didn't restart tomorrow https://www.facebook.com/MSportLtd/photos/a.108349819208079.4742.106632069379854/1589320547777658/?type=3&theater

Latvala will restart?

Latvala was supposed to restart. Car was in service being worked on a few hours ago.

[dimviii]

Tanak 2017 vs 2014 at same spot.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23382-ott-tanak-sideways-jump-ouninpohja-2017/

[jacko]

Neuville's poor performance here wont cost him anything.
Why is it a poor performance you wisekid? Maybe he's driving better than ever and is this the maximum for this weekend, that's not a poor performance. Like the most people are seeing; it's the car that isn't suit for these roads, exactly like last year. So please stop with this nonsense... In Germany he will be there normalwise in front for the win. He's the first driver that really is taking some presure for the championship the whole season on Ogier after 4 years of can i say dominated years of the Frenchman.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF7TFYsWAAQyrc8?format=jpg&name=large

[KKS]

On Latvala onboard from the retirement there is some sharp impact on the corner just before loosing power (4:38 in). Could have contributed.
Same as in Poland. After that hard impact car drive few hundreds meters and broke after breaking.

[steve.mandzij]

Tanaks 49 meters jump
https://twitter.com/RallyFinland/status/891321633469865984



Michel V.‏*@rockollector
Now Ogier unfortunately can't restart tomorrow, Neuville can become first 'new' driver to lead championship since Latvala (SWE '14). #WRCLatvala, SWE 17'

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[steve.mandzij]

Same as in Poland. After that hard impact car drive few hundreds meters and broke after breaking.Could it have been a gearbox problem then? On the stream I thought I heard grinding gears when he was trying to get it running again. Also, Lappi had issues in Saredegna as well. Gronholm was quite fitting as guest presenter this week then...

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[stefanvv]

No-one said that. And I dont believe anyone thought they'd be slowest.

I give up.

[KKS]

Just watch two other cameras.
FX camera - immediately after problem screen show N - gear and 0 rev, but car was running and crankshaft should rotate.
Face camera - Latvala searching something on his left. What he thinking to found there? secret "problem off" switch?
Strange

[A FONDO]

Still interesting to see the final outcome tomorrow. Neuville is slow today too, but better keep you head down and reach the finish slowly and get some points. Sorry for Latvala but he should meditate on the 100 times M-Sport prepared a perfect car for him and he binned it. Speaking about the Fords, same story year after year, they hype massively before Finland and cock it up. Should take it easy and wait patiently to see what the rally fortune keeper is inclined to give you. About Lappi - he was held in a factory team for so many years where he could learn many other things from that surrounding, not many other boys had been given these chances and patience. Suninen is very interesting how he juggles on the edge, he makes small mistakes everywhere but does not leave the road to hit rocks and trees. Tanak seems to be going consistently backwards this season.

[steve.mandzij]

Tanak seems to be going consistently backwards this season.
You're out of your mind.


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[EstWRC]

What a nonsense post like always from you and not because of the Tänak mentioning.

[Eli]

Tanak is having his best season to date, how exactly has Tanak been 'consistently backwards this season'??? A puncture, could happen to anyone at any time, even to the best of the best. Just ask Seb. Loeb back in Germany 2011...he will tell you. Just a shame that like Paddon, this rally wasn't smiling on Tanak.

[stefanvv]

On the stream I thought I heard grinding gears when he was trying to get it running again.

It's not gears. I've heard the same noise from my old granni AUDI. It is for sure electrical issue. BTW in Poland I think the clutch burned out.

[dimviii]

TGR_WRC‏*@TGR_WRC
It was the electronic control unit. Fixed now and @JariMattiWRC will restart tomorrow. @RallyFinland @OfficialWRC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

why is it a poor performance you wisekid? Maybe he's driving better than ever and is this the maximum for this weekend, that's not a poor performance. Like the most people are seeing; it's the car that isn't suit for these roads, exactly like last year. So please stop with this nonsense... In germany he will be there normalwise in front for the win. He's the first driver that really is taking some presure for the championship the whole season on ogier after 4 years of can i say dominated years of the frenchman.

Lol .. yeah, he will still win the title after not punishing Ogier when he has a golden chance.

Whether it was him or the car not performing it's massive in terms of the championship.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I give up.

Probably best.

[AnttiL]

TGR_WRC‏*@TGR_WRC
It was the electronic control unit. Fixed now and @JariMattiWRC will restart tomorrow. @RallyFinland @OfficialWRC

Latvala had also an electronic issue in the PET, ruining him half a testing day outside Jyväskylä.

[stefanvv]

Probably best.

I already said I give up, didn't You read it?

[dimviii]

Breen
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891291955166158849

Latvala
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891293183501586432

Lappi
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891293711287672834

Mads
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891290375989678081

Evans
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891289096970268673

Neuville
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891288394042679296

Meeke
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891287586366513152

Tanak
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891286852224897024

[steve.mandzij]

Oof, not good. Every time anybody has electrical problems I think of the 307

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[racerx1979]

Latvala had also an electronic issue in the PET, ruining him half a testing day outside Jyväskylä.

This is interesting as they are using Ilmor for ecu from what I remember. Time to find a different source if that's the case

[racerx1979]

Latvalas MDC chances are long gone even if he wins the power stage. It will be Ogier vs Nueville unless they both DNF and Latvala wins which is highly unlikely.

Also as for Germany, Lappi was pretty damn fast last year. Right behind Ostberg in many stages and overall. He's not going to beat Ogier, but he can finish in the top 5 in my opinion.

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville is sixth in the Finnish rally, the ninth event of the WRC world championship, currently dominated by the amazing Finnish Esapekka Lappi. The Belgian is 15 seconds behind Craig Breen (5th). A few minutes ago, it was learned that Sebastien Ogier would not resume the start this Sunday.
"I wish them a good recovery and that we are back in Germany, it confirms that they will not score a point this weekend, an additional reason for us to ensure this result and see if we can grab a few points In the Power Stage, "Neuville told Olivier Gaspard, a special correspondent for the RTBF in Finland.
The Belgian could take the lead of the world championship. He does not think too much: "We do not necessarily have to go ahead, getting closer is already good, it does not change anything to be in front or behind. To get back a few points ... When you have a fight against a four-time world champion, you do not win the championship on a race, you have to be smart and take what you have to take. "

[dimviii]

Ingrassia screaming as they crashed
https://www.facebook.com/paulfraikinchampions/videos/1877772435806690/

[mknight]

Latvalas reaction

https://twitter.com/suomi_urheilu/status/891334087465742337

I saw this one live, he repeated my whole finish dictionary there (s..a, v..u ).

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131021/latvala-failure-like-a-knife-in-my-heart

So gutted, finally Latvala showcases his best season to date (perhaps besides 2014) and is being robed by a technical issue for a second time, & this time a home win....

[steve.mandzij]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131021/latvala-failure-like-a-knife-in-my-heart

So gutted, finally Latvala showcases his best season to date (perhaps besides 2014) and is being robed by a technical issue for a second time, & this time a home win....I did some crappy mental math and, had the Yaris not failed in Poland or Finland (Poland was possibly his own mistake, but still), he'd have been second and first. With no power stage points in Poland and 5 in Finland his total points by the end of the weekend would have been 160, enough to tie with Ogier going into the final four rallies.

I should stop dwelling on the what ifs, though.

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[Eli]

I did some crappy mental math and, had the Yaris not failed in Poland or Finland (Poland was possibly his own mistake, but still), he'd have been second and first. With no power stage points in Poland and 5 in Finland his total points by the end of the weekend would have been 160, enough to tie with Ogier going into the final four rallies.

I should stop dwelling on the what ifs, though.

Sent from my Pixel using TapatalkTrue, but still a big shame and tbh would be very nice to see a 3 way battle for the championship...

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[stefanvv]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131021/latvala-failure-like-a-knife-in-my-heart


"I tried to power-cycle the car and when this is happening you are really hoping it will start," Latvala said.

There was quite a smoke at the trunk department after this attempt anyway I think.

[dimviii]

nice clip with Mads
https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/891409003997274113

[Rally Power]

It’s great to see Lappi close to his dream win in Finland and Sunninen in P2. Hope both managed to keep positions till the end. Nice job from Evans today. Bad luck for Latvala and Veiby. Huttunen has been fantastic in WRC2 and so has Ciamin in JWRC. It’s always nice to see young talented guys being noticed, and this rally seems to be all about it.



Has anyone else won on his 4th event already?

Don’t think so, not in recent years at least and if we take off the first couple of WRC seasons, the closest we get is probably Toivonen in 1980 RAC (first win on his 4th WRC outing for Talbot Sunbeam, still he had a few WRC private entries in top Gr. 4 cars the previous years).

[lnvs]

Same as in Poland. After that hard impact car drive few hundreds meters and broke after breaking.Nope. This was issue with electronics and in Poland there was "wrong object" stuck pushing the throttle pedal and he tried to cope with clutch and burned it. It was called as "human error". I don't think Latvala will ever tell more precisely what the object was.

In Red Bull TV Bosse translated JM's words "not same again" which he meant it like "technical issue again" and not like exact same issue. Leading commentator guy made it into form of "same issue as in Poland".

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk)

[dimviii]

OUNINPOHJA‏*@jussinaarajarvi
Oho oho,Mats Östberg Ouninpohja ss16. Start n3km. @MadsOstberg @RallyFinland @ProkopOfficial


https://twitter.com/jussinaarajarvi/status/891413402647760896

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20424099_10207768047317852_1410572774951752352_o.j pg?oh=9046153f616a3446e71c56781ba3a00b&oe=59EB4CA3

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20414007_1399838293468350_4511591743995023642_o.jp g?oh=b08be7d6395b088d4bb3accd93370ac3&oe=5A00178F



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[steve.mandzij]

https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20414007_1399838293468350_4511591743995023642_o.jp g?oh=b08be7d6395b088d4bb3accd93370ac3&oe=5A00178F



https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20369881_1398156820303164_1935628122820438551_o.jp g?oh=ede410012076e2bec968c9d4fb6b724b&oe=5A380C51Coyote, awesome username and great pictures, but maybe you could post them all together, or make an imgur album?

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[Zeakiwi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk)

Should the stage marshal be reminded he be aiming to be keeping crews and spectators safe? All fun and damaged bank accounts (from car damage) until someone gets hurt.
Why could the stage official not notify the start of the stage to fore warn the crews of the potential danger at that point of the stage? or were the drivers crashing for fun?

[racerx1979]

Watching this made me cringe. I've rallied a few events as a navigator in the states. If there's a tricky section we were notified if more than one car had an issue. These were all club rallies, but after the first three cars it should be noted.

[janvanvurpa]

Watching this made me cringe. I've rallied a few events as a navigator in the states. If there's a tricky section we were notified if more than one car had an issue. These were all club rallies, but after the first three cars it should be noted.

These guys DO have notes and they do get to do a 2 pass recce .
Problem is following lines of the previous cars and thatäs something the brain tends to do...We all know drivers have microscopic brains and very big feet.
You have a co+driver yappping all kinds of mostly jibberish so he feels he's contributing and meanwhile the EYES see the tire marks of those who have gone before..
Eyes win over ears, one car goes off good and leaving nice tracks----more going to follow..

[steve.mandzij]

These guys DO have notes and they do get to do a 2 pass recce .
Problem is following lines of the previous cars and thatäs something the brain tends to do...We all know drivers have microscopic brains and very big feet.
You have a co+driver yappping all kinds of mostly jibberish so he feels he's contributing and meanwhile the EYES see the tire marks of those who have gone before..
Eyes win over ears, one car goes off good and leaving nice tracks----more going to follow..I don't know, Makinen could fit quite a brain in that head of his.

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[CoyoteVillagra]

Coyote, awesome username and great pictures, but maybe you could post them all together, or make an imgur album?

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Great idea. I will try to make an albun on imgur. Thanks

[CoyoteVillagra]

First person view of the SS 15 tricky corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvElnDrYdMA

[Duvel]

No Loeb today, shame for them. Lucky for Neuville

[N.O.T]

No Loeb today, shame for them. Lucky for Neuville

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain"

sort your life out kid....

[mknight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOYOcXIkFk)


This spot is 4:25 in on Sordo onboard from SS15. There is a small crest just before the turn so you don't see the start of it.

[jonkka]

No Loeb today, shame for them. Lucky for Neuville

Loeb?

[KKS]

agrrrhhh! ewrc have wrong start time! 09:38 ! And real one is 09:25. And I oversleep :(

[KKS]

Good time from Latvala and he is on good mood! It's very good!

[mknight]

Will there be team orders for Paddon not to push on PS so that Neuville has a better chance?

[KKS]

Will there be team orders for Paddon not to push on PS so that Neuville has a better chance?
Don't think so. It's not a Neuville rally, he can't be on top5 on PS

[GigiGalliNo1]

As much as Al-Qassimi looked boring to watch driving this live stage on TV... you must give him credit, we'd too look as slow as him if we all had a chance to drive!

[N.O.T]

As much as Al-Qassimi looked boring to watch driving this live stage on TV... you must give him credit, we'd too look as slow as him if we all had a chance to drive!

Why give credit to someone for being utter shit at something?

[KKS]

As much as Al-Qassimi looked boring to watch driving this live stage on TV... you must give him credit, we'd too look as slow as him if we all had a chance to drive!
It's mockery over a road

[N.O.T]

I must say the power stage is nothing.... most boring stage ever....


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[N.O.T]

2 mistakes by neuvile....


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[raybak]

No mention of Dungannen by WRC+ when Meeke ran????

[dimviii]

Neuville
https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/891561591912763392

Sun 10:30 - SS22: Neuville
Three missed junctions in here and Thierry completes with yellow stage marker tape trailing from his Hyundai. He's lost 10sec to Tanak, but he's still smiling. "No grip at all. I changed some settings before the stage. Three junctions in one stage!"

[dimviii]

great fight among Hanninen Suninen and Evans.Hope reach the finish all of them.


Latvala flying through Oittila
https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/891564958047232000

[KKS]

Those secondary diversion roads so rutted after 12 cars. It will be destroyed to PS

[KKS]

OMG!!! Road safety.... people crossing a road 3sec before car!

[Mintexmemory]

At 25 seconds gap and without the same excursions Neuville should finish 10 seconds ahead of Tanak - however I'd he really does'nt have any grip things might be interesting. The 2-3-4 fight is another aspect of how open this season is. I wouldn't expect to see any of them in the top 3 in Germany though.

[mknight]

At 25 seconds gap and without the same excursions Neuville should finish 10 seconds ahead of Tanak - however I'd he really does'nt have any grip things might be interesting. The 2-3-4 fight is another aspect of how open this season is. I wouldn't expect to see any of them in the top 3 in Germany though.

Obviously it is likely going to be totally different in germany. Sordo, Neuville and Citroens will be up. Evans, Paddon and Hanninen will be down, Tanak, Latvala and Lappi prbly a bit down and Sunninen will not even be there in a WRC.

Btw. at this point Hyundai will be the lowest scoring manufacturer in Finland by far.

[KKS]

No mention of Dungannen by WRC+ when Meeke ran????
What so special of this place that you all trolling that poor John on it?

[stefanvv]

Evans .... will be down

You sure of that? May be d-macks will not be so bad?!?

[A FONDO]

Day 3 by Toni productions (much better than his previous clips) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-12ZfS18B0

[mknight]

You sure of that? May be d-macks will not be so bad?!?

D-macks were good on very cold dry tarmac in Monte. In Corsica they were anything but good.

[WRC1]

OMG!!! Road safety.... people crossing a road 3sec before car!

....and everybody is crying about poland...if you watch this, there is not so much differnt to poland...ok in the spectator zones everybody is behind the tape, but out in the Woods the People are 20cm beside the road...watch the onbords!! for me no difference to poland!

[SPKen]

SS22 Lempää jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUUHheM1pE

[mknight]

What so special of this place that you all trolling that poor John on it?

Nothing.
To this day I actually only know where some 3 drivers come from (JML, Ogier, and Meeke).

Out of these I have only heard one on WRC vids.... like 2 times every rally.

[dimviii]

Lappi
https://youtu.be/fuBnrmxxdhI

[KKS]

....and everybody is crying about poland...if you watch this, there is not so much differnt to poland...ok in the spectator zones everybody is behind the tape, but out in the Woods the People are 20cm beside the road...watch the onbords!! for me no difference to poland!
Yes, I think a same. But Finland have so big credit and no one speculating on it.

[Eli]

Lappi
https://youtu.be/fuBnrmxxdhI

is that in Ouninpohja? It reminds me of Mikko's drift back in '07 in his Ford Focus.

[Lead]

is that in Ouninpohja? It reminds me of Mikko's drift back in '07 in his Ford Focus.

Its Lankamaa I believe.

[KKS]

SS22 Lempää jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUUHheM1pE
Mads as always spectacular.

[Eli]

Its Lankamaa I believe.

Cheers

[mknight]

Wonder what starting position Latvala gets for PS, might have huge effect on his points chances.

[KKS]

Wonder what starting position Latvala gets for PS, might have huge effect on his points chances.
35min re-group and 2 min gap on stage so 17 position could be reversed. So Latvala should be 2nd on the road after Paddon

[KKS]

Hanninen faster 0.7 in 1st split on Evans :)

[mknight]

35min re-group and 2 min gap on stage so 17 position could be reversed. So Latvala should be 2nd on the road after Paddon

They will likely put some WRC2 cars in front though.

[dimviii]

Suninen?

[KKS]

Suninen?
It should be happen. He has so many small offs and mistakes all rally.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-NNWBWsAApXW2.jpg

[KKS]

AAAAA Lappi in trouble too!

[dimviii]

wtf Lappi with rear wheel damage?

[dimviii]

haha Hanninen as a winner?


edit Hanninen vs Evans for winner?

[mknight]

haha Hanninen as a winner?

Or evans, even more lulz.

[KKS]

They will likely put some WRC2 cars in front though.
It could be... 1.5 hrs of live time and 3 min gaps for PS and 1 hr live time and 2min gap at SS23

[mknight]

Lappi is already moving, so likely will drive trough.

[Lead]

Drama till the end... thats why we love this sport.

[dimviii]

didn't understand this?

Colin Clark‏*@voiceofrally
Here's a thought! Are Toyota playing mind games? Lappi maybe giving misinformation to disturb @ElfynEvans? It's happened many times before!

[dimviii]

any photo from Lappis wheel at stage stop?

[dimviii]

Sun 12:21 - Lappi update
He is parked close to the stage end working on the car. A knock to the rear-left wheel seems to have bent part of the brake unit but the suspension seems okay. Wheel changed, they are on their way.

Sun 12:15 - SS24: Lappi
Looks like he has clouted the left rear wheel and damaged the suspension. With just the 10km Power Stage to go, Lappi's rally lead stands at 37.8sec over his team-mate Hanninen.

[stefanvv]

didn't understand this?

Colin Clark‏*@voiceofrally
Here's a thought! Are Toyota playing mind games? Lappi maybe giving misinformation to disturb @ElfynEvans? It's happened many times before!

What for? They don't pursuit championship?!?

[dimviii]

TGR_WRC‏*@TGR_WRC
@EsapekkaLappi all ok after SS24, dent in a wheel and its now changed. @rallyfinland @OfficialWRC

[Evian]

I thought there was lack ofta power with Lappis Toyota. Nearly not sliding. He was +1s on Hänninen here of the middle of the stage but att finish he was +7s...

[AnttiL]

Suninen off https://www.facebook.com/ralliradio/posts/1820115114684096

[dimviii]

Suninen has some work before power stage to free all the blockage from his fiesta coolers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-NNWBWsAApXW2.jpg

[mknight]

didn't understand this?

Colin Clark‏*@voiceofrally
Here's a thought! Are Toyota playing mind games? Lappi maybe giving misinformation to disturb @ElfynEvans? It's happened many times before!

His line of thinking is that Toyota "faked" Lappi's issues (or will try to play them up) so that Evan's settles for 2nd and does not risk pushing Hanninen. Just a little bit too much of a stretch. Should have waited for more info on Lappi.

As a recent reference he thinks along the lines of Ogier vs Sordo on Corsica. Where Ogier got electronic issues stage before PS and then was all secret that he doesn't know if the car will work even though everything got fixed for PS.... and then he beat Sordo by 0.1s.

[dimviii]

Suninen off https://www.facebook.com/ralliradio/posts/1820115114684096

luckiest driver of weekend

[KKS]

Suninen off https://www.facebook.com/ralliradio/posts/1820115114684096
He was VERY VERY VERY!!! lucky get out of there!

[dimviii]

Rallyfoto.se‏*@rallyfoto_se
Close call for Greensmith at Lämpää 2.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-RkSVXoAAr56R.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-RlShXoAAWcrm.jpg

[MTA]

Close call for Greensmith. https://twitter.com/rallyfoto_se/status/891591334699597824

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[Nikey]

When Suninen talked about having a spin...THAT wasn't quite what I imagined

[J_n_z]

Suninen off https://www.facebook.com/ralliradio/posts/1820115114684096

If there was Meeke in the car all 4 wheeles would fall away...

[dimviii]

relaxing before power stage
https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/891592411159425024

[dimviii]

so Evans or Hanninen do you believe will be faster?

[mknight]

so Evans or Hanninen do you believe will be faster?

Very hard to tell, Evans was faster in the morning but Hanninen made a mistake and DMACKs usually work better on first round when it's damp, but the PS looked very dry.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

so Evans or Hanninen do you believe will be faster?

I dont think Evans will risk too much. 3rd is already good for MSport.

[KKS]

so Evans or Hanninen do you believe will be faster?
If stage was rutted so much - it's no way that Evans will be faster. Toyota like smooth not rough stages

[dimviii]

imho Hanninen will be faster.

[dimviii]

If stage was rutted so much - it's no way that Evans will be faster. Toyota like smooth not rough stages

no way or no doubt?

[dimviii]

also plenty of junctions/chicanes ,many drivers went wide at first pass.

Sun 12:33 - Stage info: SS25
Oittila 2, 10.12km. The Finland Power Stage for the second year, Oittila is fast, fast, fast with plenty of dips, small crests and now hay bale chicanes to watch out for. The final section could be the narrowest of the rally and there are chances to take big cuts through the grass. There are no junctions in the first 3.7km, but five in the last 2.3km.

[KKS]

According to wrc+ is no wrc2 drivers in Live of PS
Paddon 1st, Latvala 2nd and after same order as this morning

[KKS]

no way or no doubt?
no doubt :/

[dimviii]

M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
Please help @TeemuSuninenRac. If you find his front bumper please return to service. This will be a big for him as a privateer. Thanks!

[GigiGalliNo1]

....and everybody is crying about poland...if you watch this, there is not so much differnt to poland...ok in the spectator zones everybody is behind the tape, but out in the Woods the People are 20cm beside the road...watch the onbords!! for me no difference to poland!

Difference is that in Poland, you saw this more. How many posts, photos, videos did you see from Poland with idiots compared to Finland? Or all rallies this year to Poland...?

[dimviii]

Sun 12:59 - SS25: Timings
First car: 1318hrs. First eight cars: 4-minute intervals. Top five cars: 5-minute intervals.

Sun 12:58 - SS25: Start order
A few tweaks to suit the Live TV schedule. Here's how the drivers will line-up: 1.Paddon, 2.Latvala, 3. Al Qassimi, 4.Ostberg, 5.Sordo, 6.Meeke, 7.Tanak, 8. Neuville, 9.Breen, 10.Suninen, 11.Evans, 12.Hanninen, 13.Lappi

[mknight]

Difference is that in Poland, you saw this more. How many posts, photos, videos did you see from Poland with idiots compared to Finland? Or all rallies this year to Poland...?

Yep Poland was completely differnt level.

That said what I found most unsafe in Finland from vid is the photographers. On basically every jump you have 2-3 photographers on the landing. Green vest doesn't make you invincible.

Note the guy in Monte was also a photographer (even though he didn't have a vest).

[Eli]

What an unforgettable rally, amazing, gotta love Finland, they really need to keep it as long as possible, after this weekend.

[dimviii]

my prediction
Latvala, Hanninen, Evans, Tanak, Lappi

[dimviii]

Underway and powering between the trees at 185kph. Incredible onboards here.

Sun 13:16 - Weather update
Beautiful out on stage. Clean blue sky, bright sunshine. Temperature is 22˚C. Perfect for the thousands of spectators who are stageside.

Sun 13:13 - Lappi update
Talking at the pre-stage regroup, Lappi confirms that the wheel was the only thing broken when he drifted wide in SS24.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hope Latvala wins the PS.

[rallye-vid]

Any PS stream link?

[mknight]

Hope Latvala wins the PS.

Only 1,2s up from the morning, that's not much.

[dimviii]

Latvala 1,2 faster from 1st pass

[KKS]

Glad to see that JML have a good mood after all what happen yesterday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only 1,2s up from the morning

Which he won.

[steve.mandzij]

So much live TV time wasted on Al Qassimi ffs

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[GigiGalliNo1]

Any PS stream link?

Are Europeans that cheap to pay 5 Euro to Online coverage a month?

[N.O.T]

Are Europeans that cheap to pay 5 Euro to Online coverage a month?

No we are just not retarded idiots to pay for crap....

[GigiGalliNo1]

And now they sport is so great people (you) don't want to support it. hah. The poor.

[GigiGalliNo1]

And you complain when we get free radio broadcast and say it's crap. So... if no radio and you're too poor to pay €5 a month... what would you say? There isn't anything for the public!?

[KKS]

WOW!
Sordo 2nd sector was 0.5 quicker than Latvala!!!

[N.O.T]

And now they sport is so great people (you) don't want to support it. hah. The poor.

If they offer proper coverage with proper quality and cameras then we will support it... for now they can take the money of those mentally challenged.

[GigiGalliNo1]

If they offer proper coverage with proper quality and cameras then we will support it... for now they can take the money of those mentally challenged.

Gotcha! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Horrible ruts in places.

But Tanak flying !

[mknight]

Tanak will get ahead of Latvala in championship.

[Eli]

Horrible ruts in places.

But Tanak flying !

2+ seconds faster than Latvala. Impressive.

[KKS]

First battle FORD vs TOYOTA win by Ford. Same will be with Evans vs Juho. Despite I'm cheering for Hanninen

[dimviii]

Neuville faster from Latvala.Big cleaning at road

[N.O.T]

Nice push by neuville...


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[Eli]

Nice push by neuville...


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Finally, hopefully he will take the 4 points...but with that battle for 2nd....intriguing to say the least.

[macebig]

Looks like Neville will take the WDC lead..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job Craig !

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC
Someone got a souvenier. Suninen crash scene in Lempää 2. #RallyFinland


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[mknight]

Looks like Neville will take the WDC lead..

If he drops 1 position they have same points with Ogier dunno who leads then? The one who won more rallies?

2 behind and he doesn't lead for sure

[dimviii]

Karlip *
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#RallyFinland's fifth position for Breen is his fifth fifth position in 2017. #WRC

[Eli]

Good job Craig !

Loved his end of rally quote: " I want More!"... well done for him really.

[macebig]

If he drops 1 position they have same points with Ogier dunno who leads then? The one who won more rallies?

2 behind and he doesn't lead for sure

On equal points, Neuville leads due to more wins than the Frenchman (3 VS 2).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Superb rally by Suninen... big future for this guy.

[dimviii]

Evans faster at 1st split.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Shirtless and cheap fan gets bumper. lol

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Elfyn !!! :D

[macebig]

Good Elfyn!He cements the Constructor's lead for Ford.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans into 2nd o/a ! :)

[Lead]

Hahaha Evans... good job!

[KKS]

Wonderful team spirit in Toyota! I like it!

[A FONDO]

Great job Elfyn.

[N.O.T]

Good job by evans


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stunning rally by Lappi... congrats.
What a future he has.

[dimviii]

seems Neuville will get the 3 points

[Zeakiwi]

Lappi wins

[N.O.T]

So who leads the championship now ?


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[macebig]

Neuville on equal points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

seems Neuville will get the 3 points

Lucky Breen, Suninen & Lappi werent on it in the PS.

[A FONDO]

26 points for Ford, only 14 for Hyundai. Citroen gets 18.

[dimviii]

Lucky Breen, Suninen & Lappi werent on it in the PS.

Neuville wasn't on it on this rally,but he found the courage to push at power stage.Same could do Breen Suninen and Lappi.
So that's not lucky.

[dimviii]

watching monitors as Juho passes stage end
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/891619801310908416

[GigiGalliNo1]

Lappi!!!

[dimviii]

congrats to Toyota and Lappi,well deserved win,they were untouchable all days.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-rWCjWAAAi4dW.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville wasn't on it on this rally,but he found the courage to push at power stage.Same could do Breen Suninen and Lappi.
So that's not lucky.

One good stage result when others werent trying and gets points for it IS lucky.

[mknight]

Top speeds from the very long straight at 2:30 in:

All Hyundais: 188 km/h
Breen: 191 km/h
Hannien and Lappi: 196 ish

Only Ford I saw was Evans and the telemetry cut-off too early.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Toyota still a barn joke NOT?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

26 points for Ford, only 14 for Hyundai. Citroen gets 18.

:D

[EightGear]

Incredible by Lappi, this is something pretty special. And Neuville now equal to Ogier... This season just keeps giving.

[stefanvv]

Neuville wasn't on it on this rally,but he found the courage to push at power stage.Same could do Breen Suninen and Lappi.
So that's not lucky.

Well Suninen has kind of excuse, he can't do anything with a broken car.

[steve.mandzij]

Top speeds from the very long straight at 2:30 in:

All Hyundais: 188 km/h
Breen: 191 km/h
Hannien and Lappi: 196 ish

Only Ford I saw was Evans and the telemetry cut-off too early.I'm sure I saw Hanninen crack 200

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[dimviii]

One good stage result when others werent trying and gets points for it IS lucky.

others could push but didn't want to take the risk.
Lucky is not this who take risks.

[dimviii]

Well Suninen has kind of excuse, he can't do anything with a broken car.

yes but that's doesn't make Neuville lucky,when he was so close to destroy a car at previous stage.

[KKS]

Great rally! Great battle. Happy for Suninen and Lappi future.

[Eli]

What a season we have on our hands...not since 2009 (and 2007 before that) we have seen someone besides a Frenchman lead the championship in the second half of the season! Unusual times for the current world champion I suppose. I can only Imagine what Lappi will be capable of once he completes a full season, same goes to Sunninen, most impressive on only his second rally....Great Job by Evans at the end there snatching that well deserved second place. Also congrats to Thierry, leading the championship now, will need to win Germany to have some breathing space from Ogier. Also hope Breen & Citroen will improve that car so we will see him go better than 5th.

[dimviii]

cant wait for Germany...


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[Eli]

cant wait for Germany...


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Bring on Germany!!

[AnttiL]

What a great rally! Obviously happy for Lappi, Suninen, Hänninen and Huttunen, but also sad about Latvala's technical failure, Suninen and Hänninen losing positions on the last day, but still a super great rally!

[BigWorm]

Neuville into the lead and will have a clean road on the first day of Germany.

I'm very happy.

[stefanvv]

Congrats to all top 4, pity for Latvala 2nd consecutive misfortune.

So why do you think Hyundai are not fast in Finland. Looks like their car is prepared well for any other surface but not these fast gravel with lot of big jumps. Could it be there is no fast enough driver for these during development phase? Neuville & Sordo were never fast here, probably Paddon was their best bet, but I don't know how much his input was decisive in car development. On shakedown it was clear the car doesn't handle jumps very well with nose lifting in the air. Could be they have more downforce at the back (or just more weight), which bodes well for more technical roads to get the maximum of the torque from corner exits, but the drivers must be careful with big jumps and taking them with more braking. Bigger downforce also increases the drag on the fast straights and that's another weak point, which was inclined by Neuville saying he has more confidence in the car when there was more grip at the second passes. Thoughts?

[dimviii]

Neuville into the lead and will have a clean road on the first day of Germany.

I'm very happy.

cant wait to listen Ogier about dirty roads due to cuts.https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/crazy.gif

[mknight]

Congrats to all top 4, pity for Latvala 2nd consecutive misfortune.

So why do you think Hyundai are not fast in Finland. Looks like their car is prepared well for any other surface but not these fast gravel with lot of big jumps. Could it be there is no fast enough driver for these during development phase? Neuville & Sordo were never fast here, probably Paddon was their best bet, but I don't know how much his input was decisive in car development. On shakedown it was clear the car doesn't handle jumps very well with nose lifting in the air. Could be they have more downforce at the back (or just more weight), which bodes well for more technical roads to get the maximum of the torque from corner exits, but the drivers must be careful with big jumps and taking them with more braking. Bigger downforce also increases the drag on the fast straights and that's another weak point, which was inclined by Neuville saying he has more confidence in the car when there was more grip at the second passes. Thoughts?

Some ideas:

- generally too low grip in the rear (their main issue in 2016), the car always looks very tail happy, after the Citroen dif. changes I'd say it's now the most tail happy of them all. Watch also the comparison vid vs 2017 polo in Finland.
- car reacts very fast to steering input, makes it too nervous on the very fast and long corners
- not enough aero grip (compared with Toyota and Ford)
- not enough top speed

[dimviii]

this about less top speed is it confirmed? maybe somebody must watch also the exit speed for previous corner?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Someone is NOT amused..

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[mknight]

this about less top speed is it confirmed? maybe somebody must watch also the exit speed for previous corner?

The flat out section was so long I doubt exit speed mattered.

[Rally Power]

Fantastic Lappi, fantastic Toyota, fantastic Rally Finland and fantastic WRC! Best season for ages and a big lesson for all the doubters: Makinen has managed to turn his small Finn team into a leading WRC team; Lappi has managed to add rock consistency to his rocket speed and he’s now a top WRC driver! Sunninen deserved to be at the podium, but he’ll get there, sooner than later. Amazing races from Huttunen and Ciamin. Lots of talented young guys showing there’s a bright future for WRC. The icing on the cake: Neuville and Ogier are tied, so we’re back to start line with only 4 events to go!

[dimviii]

The flat out section was so long I doubt exit speed mattered.

except if they were for many secs at limiter with top gear,exit speed from previous corner matters.

edit is it Evans best result?

[Mirek]

What a rally! I could not follow it that closely as I was visiting another rally event but I tried at least on my phone. I have always been pretty critical about Lappi but what he achieved this weekend is kind of historical achievement. Maybe Jonkka can help with statistics who needed how many events in top tier car to achieve first victory?

And a another special achievement for me is Huttunen's victory considering his experience. Happy for Juho Jäninnen as well.

Overall it looks really good for Finnish rally future!

[racerx1979]

Great result for Lappi. He's quick! Great results for Evans and Hanninen as well. Hope the Toyota boys continue doing well moving forward. The battle between Ogier, Nueville, Sordo and Latvala in Germany will be epic. Lappi showerd good pace last year in WRC2, but he's not a tarmac guy.

[Mirek]

edit is it Evans best result?

He was second on Corsica 2015.

[Mirek]

Lappi showed hoodnpave last year in WRC2, but he's not a tarmac guy.

Actually he has always been pretty fast on asphalt. He has been just crashing way too often.

[racerx1979]

Actually he has always been pretty fast on asphalt. He has been just crashing way too often.

Will be interesting to see him in action. I'll be spectating Germany as well. Will try to upload and post as much info as possible :)

[N.O.T]

Toyota still a barn joke NOT?

yes

[Mirek]

Top speeds from the very long straight at 2:30 in:

All Hyundais: 188 km/h
Breen: 191 km/h
Hannien and Lappi: 196 ish

Only Ford I saw was Evans and the telemetry cut-off too early.

If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.

[Mirek]

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

[dimviii]

By the way now I see that only one normal stage (except spectator ones) was won by non-Finnish driver Evans!

and Tanak at power stage

[AnttiL]

edit is it Evans best result?

C'mon, there's only a few months from Argentina, he almost won that rally

[AnttiL]

If I remember corretly the measurements from Monte Carlo Toyotas had lowest top speed there. Interesting development.

New engine advance?

[dimviii]

C'mon, there's only a few months from Argentina, he almost won that rally

my bad forgot it!

[car]

New engine advance?
Gearing.

[dimviii]

ziggysony video
https://youtu.be/-RL9AMd6ro8

[mknight]

I compared the onboards from first PS pass, the section from 2:20 until they enter the forest, speeds out of the last proper corner are in (), doesn't look like they directly correlate. It's flat out with some small turns so it's not really just a measure of top speed, still there is some trend here, Toyota and Ford are one group Hyundai and Citroen the other.

T -Lat 199 (157)
F- Evans 198
F- Tanak 197 (160)
T- Lappi 197
T- Han 196 (162)
F- Sun 194
H- Pad 192
H- Sor 191
H- Neu 188 (161)
C- Bre 187 (159)
C- Mek 187

[steve.mandzij]

He was second on Corsica 2015.And Argentina this year too
Edit: already answered, oops
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