Neste Rally Finland 2017

[swanny]

No speed problems in that Toyota. Fingers crossed on the reliability.

[steve.mandzij]

Hanninen surprising me, closer than everybody else save Lappi.

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[Eli]

Just got up, what a morning in Rally Finland!!! Shame about Paddon & Ogier in such an early stage, not too worried by Tanak's time loss as there are a lot of KM ahead of him (& us).

[KKS]

Good time for Breen. Keep pushing m8!

[steve.mandzij]

Problems continue for Citroën

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[KKS]

Lappi fastest on 2nd split!

[steve.mandzij]

Lappi flying in the splits!

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[KKS]

Problems continue for Citroën

More wide and fast roads and all should be fine. Seems to be Citroen struggle at narrow twisty roads

[steve.mandzij]

Lappi and Latvala on a whole other level right now, Ostberg wanting to join in on the fun

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[Simmi]

Really hoping we get some images from the jump that is catching everyone out.

[steve.mandzij]

Yeah boi Lappi!

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[swanny]

I guess it would be inexcusable if the Toyotas broke after a jump...

[mknight]

This is the roads where Toyota's did most of their testing, is kinda not big surprise they are good here. The more surprising thing is that lack of Hyundai pace.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzTCTjXcAANeQR.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

I'm so hoping that Breen can repeat his podium here

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[BigWorm]

Neuville, points needed now. Do your best!

[tolx]

So that is what happens, when you don't get your morning coffee..... going for the one and will follow updates. Keep posting, guys.

[N.O.T]

This is the roads where Toyota's did most of their testing, is kinda not big surprise they are good here. The more surprising thing is that lack of Hyundai pace.

Paddons pace was ok so it was neuvilles pace not the cars... sordo is nothing here every year

[SPKen]

SS3 Urria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw&feature=youtu.be

[Simmi]

SS3 Urria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw&feature=youtu.be

Contains the Paddon moment at this jump

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw
Fords - flatout with Toyota, Citoren with breaks on :(

[Lead]

SS3 Urria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw&feature=youtu.be

Close one by Paddon :eek:

[KKS]

#9https://ewrc-results.com/flags2/ireland.pngBreen Craig - Martin Scott (https://ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36019-neste-rally-finland-2017/1505412/)
"We had a big landing over a jump and something - I don't know what - is wrong with the front. I hope to God it's not the suspension."

If you drive current Citroen - you always need God's help

[mknight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw
Fords - flatout with Toyota, Citoren with breaks on :(

Watch again, the only difference is Breen with brakes on in the air.

In the turn it's very much the same for most, just that Citroen's rear lights are much brighter/more visible. The ones on ford are almost invisible.

[tolx]

Contains the Paddon moment at this jump

Citroens the only ones to brake after jump, or others just have very bland brake lights?

[KKS]

Watch again, the only difference is Breen with breakes on in the air.

In the turn it's very much the same for most, just that Citroen's rear lights are much brighter/more visible. The ones on ford are almost invisible.
Breen before corner on breaks aswell.
Lappi, Ostberg, Suninen - are flatout without lifting throttle. Other - yes, you are right with small break tap.

[mknight]

Breen before corner on breaks aswell.
Lappi, Ostberg, Suninen - are flatout without lifting throttle. Other - yes, you are right with small break tap.

Well Breen had a bit of a moment trough the whole section. And yes a few don't brake on the first one, but most do. The main difference is really the light brightness/size.

[BleAivano]

Ogier https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/890826367432093696

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzZ2U3XkAESbAf.jpg

[andyone]

how good will it be to have a lockout of finns on the podium, i like the flying Finns

[Mise]

What is the name of that other site for times and splits? The one that usually works better than WRC

[Eli]

What is the name of that other site for times and splits? The one that usually works better than WRC

ewrc-results?

[tolx]

Any updates on Tanak?

[Oliverk]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20413966_10155798527727454_8480774449583667137_o.j pg?oh=b8a0aae21cab53745362f249be2b4fcd&oe=59EF9477

[Mise]

ewrc-results?

Yes, that's the one. Thanks

[mknight]

This last picture looks like he slid sideways into the tree.

[KKS]

What is the name of that other site for times and splits? The one that usually works better than WRC
https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2017/event/neste-rally-finland/splits/5
But if stage have 1 split - they didn't show it at all

[mknight]

Tanak's driveshaft seems ok, judging by the split. Good.

[Eli]

I see Ogier is out but what exactly has happened to him? and also what happened to Paddon?

[sindroms]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20413966_10155798527727454_8480774449583667137_o.j pg?oh=b8a0aae21cab53745362f249be2b4fcd&oe=59EF9477

Ogier's place in recce video - 19:22 minute
https://youtu.be/W8rtWSU5OKo

[mknight]

Ogier's place in recce video - 19:22 minute
https://youtu.be/W8rtWSU5OKo

There is no real jump there is it?

[sindroms]

There is no real jump there is it?

I think it could be related to that big jump few km's back - 15:47 min in recce video.

[mknight]

That's quite far away though. Let's see the vid when it comes.

[Lead]

Neuville needs to wake up.

[AL14]

I'm in Italy at the moment, thousands of kms from Finland. But still I can feel Neuville's ego growing from here. I'm afraid what it will become at the end of the weekend if he will be first in the championship.

[mknight]

I'm in Italy at the moment, thousands of kms from Finland. But still I can feel Neuville's ego growing from here. I'm afraid what it will become at the end of the weekend if he will be first in the championship.

I am a bit closer and I can feel Neuville's ego trying to hide himself being the slowest WRC in the stage and second last overall.

[AL14]

I am a bit closer and I can feel Neuville's ego trying to hide himself being the slowest WRC in the stage and second last overall.

Don't worry. He's there. Tomorrow he will not open the road and I bet half of the guys ahaed of him will have some problems sooner or later.

[KKS]

Mads with EP make good times here. Hope Mads keep this rhythm

[rage82]

Teemu is mighty quick again on this stage

[Arwel Davies]

Kris is having a proper go at the car this morning. Pretty much every stage so far he's had nothing positive to say about it and who can blame him.

[Simmi]

It's easy to dismiss the Harju stage but Lappi will have to fight all day to overturn the time loss from last night.

[mknight]

Kris is having a proper go at the car this morning. Pretty much every stage so far he's had nothing positive to say about it and who can blame him.

Breen is 3rd?
That said much better if Meeke does not crash trying to push too much.

[dimviii]

Breen is 3rd?


Fri 10:25 - SS5: Breen
Second quickest so far, but still uncomfortable in the C3. "I didn't have a good feeling in there. There is something strange with the front of the car."

[mknight]

comes from this on SS4: "We had a big landing over a jump and something - I don't know what - is wrong with the front. I hope to God it's not the suspension."

[OHL]

It's easy to dismiss the Harju stage but Lappi will have to fight all day to overturn the time loss from last night.

He is 2nd OA at the moment so he's off to a good start!

[dimviii]

comes from this on SS4: "We had a big landing over a jump and something - I don't know what - is wrong with the front. I hope to God it's not the suspension."


you mean that c3 finally get shorted,but just Breens landing caused the problem?

[Ucci]

Don't worry. He's there. Tomorrow he will not open the road and I bet half of the guys ahaed of him will have some problems sooner or later.
Also other guys will hit troubles...it a looong rally...a lot of possibilities to destroy some part of the car.....

[mknight]

you mean that c3 finally get shorted,but just Breens landing caused the problem?

Obviously when he complains about something stange at the front after a jump then it's likely the landing was the cause.Could be just some splitter/aero damage on the underside.

[dimviii]

Obviously when he complains about something stange at the front after a jump then it's likely the landing was the cause.Could be just some splitter/aero damage on the underside.

asked something different.

[mknight]

asked something different.

Right, hard to read trough typos.
No nobody can tell if C3 is epic now. It's not like it's on/off situation (epic/not epic), also on smooth gravel C3 should not have much issues with dampers/suspension.

But saying "he's had nothing positive to say about it and who can blame him." (about Meeke) sounds a bit off the other way (the last part), given how Breen is doing.

[dimviii]

Right, hard to read trough typos.
No nobody can tell if C3 is epic now. It's not like it's on/off situation (epic/not epic), also on smooth gravel C3 should not have much issues with dampers/suspension.

But saying "he's had nothing positive to say about it and who can blame him." (about Meeke) sounds a bit off the other way (the last part), given how Breen is doing.

to end it,c3 is not fixed,that Breen is 5-6 sec faster doesn't show something to mention.
Please stop your hateness about Meeke,we ALL have been tired.

[KKS]

Meeke just not going at full strength

[Arwel Davies]

Right, hard to read trough typos.
No nobody can tell if C3 is epic now. It's not like it's on/off situation (epic/not epic), also on smooth gravel C3 should not have much issues with dampers/suspension.

But saying "he's had nothing positive to say about it and who can blame him." (about Meeke) sounds a bit off the other way (the last part), given how Breen is doing.

What I think he is doing is just trying to re establish his own value in the team. He must have lost confidence after being dropped for Poland and now he is here trying to regain that confidence. He's nowhere near the pace he was last year and he's putting that down to the car. Ok, Craig is doing well so the car can't be that bad in Finland but Kris is of course going to place the blame on it after the last few weeks.

[Fly]

At 40". I think it's Paddon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKupnnbwJtw

[Oliverk]

Ogiers landing before the crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G6MafQ1LqU&feature=youtu.be

[mknight]

to end it,c3 is not fixed,that Breen is 5-6 sec faster doesn't show something to mention.
Please stop your hateness about Meeke,we ALL have been tired.

Nope Breen being on podium consistently over more stages for first time this year is nothing to mention.

I see you live in binary world 1 = fixed, 0 = not fixed. In real world things are not like that. What I am getting tired off is the "C3 is totally broken" after every second stage.

For Meeke's performance I only have praise so far, tested in wet with changed car and now doesn't push 100% if he doesn't feel well in the car. Does not need other people blaming broken car as excuses.

[dimviii]

Ogiers hard landing,watch the smoke after jump

https://youtu.be/3G6MafQ1LqU

[KKS]

Suninen lost a lot of time at the end. He could jump into P3

[dimviii]

I see you live in binary world 1 = fixed, 0 = not fixed. In real world things are not like that. What I am getting tired off is the "C3 is totally broken" after every second stage.
.

its not broken,its not setup/fixed properly.
Breens standarts are different from Meekes.Thats why we are all ok with Breens performance even with ill car,but not with Meeke.

[Mirek]

Huttunen confirming again that he's the one to watch in the future.

[Eli]

Huttunen confirming again that he's the one to watch in the future.Wait, who?

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[Mirek]

Jari Huttunen, a guy with near zero experience who is doing his first JERC season being among the fastest 2WD drivers anywhere he goes and doing his second event ever in 4WD and in the same time leading WRC2.

Last week he won 2WD in an event of Austrian championship (and Central European Zone) by one minute while it was his first start in Austria. Next week he is doing ERC Rzeszow and after that Barum. Both in works Opel Adam.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Stage 6 driver comments
http://eventnews.ynil.com/events/2017/WRC/Rally-Finland/WRC/SS6-WRC.html
apologies if someone else has already posted it.

[AL14]

Jari Huttunen, a guy with near zero experience who is doing his first JERC season being among the fastest 2WD drivers anywhere he goes and doing his second event ever in 4WD and in the same time leading WRC2.

Last week he won 2WD in an event of Austrian championship (and Central European Zone) by one minute while it was his first start in Austria. Next week he is doing ERC Rzeszow and after that Barum. Both in works Opel Adam.

Huttunen, Lappi, Suninen and soon Rovanpera. I see a bright future for our finnish friends.

[dimviii]

Suninen stopped


edit moving again

[sindroms]

Saw it on tweet and decided to found it on radar - https://www.flightradar24.com/OOLET/e4209e6
Any ideas about this plane - security issues or to provide communications?

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC 1m
1 minute ago
It's starting to rain slowly now at SS Jukojärvi 2.

[mknight]

Saw it on tweet and decided to found it on radar - https://www.flightradar24.com/OOLET/e4209e6
Any ideas about this plane - security issues or to provide communications?

Most likely coms. For security you'd use a helicopter.

[Mirek]

Saw it on tweet and decided to found it on radar - https://www.flightradar24.com/OOLET/e4209e6
Any ideas about this plane - security issues or to provide communications?

Likely data transmission for TV. The rally area is too large to be covered from low flying helicopters.

[KKS]

Likely data transmission for TV. The rally area is too large to be covered from low flying helicopters.
but live TV should be only at 20:30 local

[dimviii]

Suninen stopped


edit moving again

probably a glitch,didnt mentioned something

Fri 12:22 - SS7: Suninen
"A lot of rain at the beginning and at the end. In places it was difficult to see, only 100 or 150 metres in sixth gear is not good."

[dimviii]

what about team orders from Makkinen?
Will he must allow Lappi to push Latvala? Or he must secure a 1-2 for Toyota, and keep alive championship hopes for Latvala?

[Simmi]

what about team orders from Makkinen?
Will he must allow Lappi to push Latvala? Or he must secure a 1-2 for Toyota, and keep alive championship hopes for Latvala?

Tough choice. But a bad move to rein in Lappi in his home rally I think. I know they are all out watching the rally but I'd be interested to know what the Finns think?

[N.O.T]

Lets see if neuville wakes up... he has to now that Ogier is out.

[Susiraja]

Tough choice. But a bad move to rein in Lappi in his home rally I think. I know they are all out watching the rally but I'd be interested to know what the Finns think?
As a Finn I would say Tommi will let them fight. But at this point too early to worry about team orders. Anything can still happen and the main thing is to drive away from the competition.

[dimviii]

Lets see if neuville wakes up... he has to now that Ogier is out.

imho he hasn't got to push if he is not at a good day with good feeling.
5th position has 10 points,and his gap to Ogier is 11 points.
its like to start the championship again,and till now from what we ve seen ,if the championship started just now,seems he has better chances than Ogier.
He must not through to wastebasket this chance.

[dimviii]

As a Finn I would say Tommi will let them fight. But at this point too early to worry about team orders. Anything can still happen and the main thing is to drive away from the competition.

because ''everything can happen'' I would secure the 1-2 for Toyota and keep alive Latvala chances.

[N.O.T]

imho he hasn't got to push if he is not at a good day with good feeling.
5th position has 10 points,and his gap to Ogier is 11 points.
its like to start the championship again,and till now from what we ve seen ,if the championship started just now,seems he has better chances than Ogier.
He must not through to wastebasket this chance.

Yes but that 5th is 20 second away and the guys infront are previous winners or people with experience on the event so he has to take risks... plus ogier will have a chance to get 5 points in the power stage sine it will be all or nothing for him... so neuville must wake up

[AnttiL]

My first time spectating a rally in 15 years, on Jukojärvi 1...wow, these new cars are awesome. Managed to see Ogier before his crash. Tänak seemed to already have problems turning to a junction and Paddon had already stopped before the place. Suninen went quite wide in the junction, basically went to the ditch rear end first but managed without bigger issues.

Latvala and Lappi and Suninen doing a great job, what a great rally, although shame about the retirements.

[dimviii]

Yes but that 5th is 20 second away and the guys infront are previous winners or people with experience on the event so he has to take risks... plus ogier will have a chance to get 5 points in the power stage sine it will be all or nothing for him... so neuville must wake up

you want to smell blood...

[dimviii]

is it raining at stages right now?

Thierry Neuville‏

Rainy media zone here in Jyväskylä.
"The morning was a bit difficult but no drama. We have to be clever"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF0I3J4XsAAKISF.jpg

[dimviii]

Urria 2 Neuville
https://twitter.com/rockollector/status/890879146661990402

[dimviii]

have we got any news from Ogiers crash? any interview?

[Daviesalaam]

Hello guys... Why is JML losing mill secs over EP??! Road position or?!

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[mknight]

There is no reason for team orders at Toyota until the last stage before PS. If Lappi leads Latvala by then, they are likely, but I doubt that. Tomorrow there won't be any roadposition difference anymore.

[Whinlatter]

Huttunen confirming again that he's the one to watch in the future.
Gus Greensmith also putting in very impressive times - using Tom Cave as a yardstick he has improved massively in the last 12 months.

[tfp]

When does the live stream start? The official website didn't want to load up for me before!!

[mknight]

Onboard from Paddon's close call on SS3 is now on WRC+. From 3:10.

[dimviii]

Yves Matton‏*@Yves_Matton
Mid-day service at #RallyFinland... @Craig_Breen & @krismeeke did well this morning. Engineers try to improve the #C3WRC setup for 2nd loop


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF0U2BpXUAA8zxO.jpg

[mknight]

^^ The body language.
Breen trying to be invisible
Matton looks pissed or more like "what are you saying?"
Meeke agitated

[mknight]

Onboards from Ogier and Paddon's issues on SS4 are included in the official stage highlights vid on WRC webpage.

Ogier does not show much cause it starts half-way trough the corner.
Paddon is relatively innocent mistake (kinda like Lappi in Poland).

EDIT: Paddon is now on WRC+, first corner of the stage.

[dimviii]

TGR
Good start! Double lead after 7 Stages. Listen what our drivers said arriving to midday service today (Friday):
https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/890895630914269184

watch Lappi at 1,17 sec

[seb_sh]

Interesting start, the Toyota's seem genuinely fast and it looks like there are good chances the championship will tighten up.

[dimviii]

stages 1-7
https://youtu.be/X5uzwpLJrdM

[AL14]

^^ The body language.
Breen trying to be invisible
Matton looks pissed or more like "what are you saying?"
Meeke agitated

They're just having lunch...

[dimviii]

is it raining at stages?

all crews with 5 soft compounds.

[mknight]

Full onboard of Ogier from SS4 is now on WRC+.

Does not really look like he had clear damage from the jump, more like just a mistake at that corner. EDIT: Or the suspension first failed in the corner.

[KKS]

Latvala has changed front transmission on service

[dimviii]

Fri 15:05 - Weather update
Grey skies and heavy rain falling at the stage end of SS8.

[KKS]

Maybe first run of Lankamaa will show at wrc+ live

[KKS]

Good time from Breen. Interesting how hard he push?

[dimviii]

Gilsoul

"I had not set a prognosis, but I was more focused on our main objective: to lead Sébastien Ogier, he had a worry, but it is true that our car does not allow us to go faster. We can make a correction for this second part of the day, and for a co-driver, the sensations are increased tenfold in Finland, sometimes you have to take two notes in advance because it comes so fast. Cars that are monsters. I am delighted, "said Nicolas Gilsoul, co-driver of Neuville.
"We have to see the number of Finnish drivers in front of us, they want to show everything on a rally and we want to show everything about a season."
Impossible not to speak again about the race of the morning: the exit of Sébastien Ogier. "It does not help to go super fast in a special way, in my opinion, there is a nice thing to do but we have to go back in the points, that's why we have to fine-tune the car So that it gives us confidence. "" Theoretically, the rain can help us, we must not panic, "concluded Gilsoul without panic.

[mknight]

Toyota extra fast in wet. Just like in Poland.

Might have something to do with having more aero-grip at high speeds than others.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

1-2-3 for Toyota on this one atm !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ha ! Suninen beats all the Toyota's. :D

[MartijnS]

4 Finnish guys at the top of a stage in Finland. Has that ever happened before? :D

[tc10a]

Impressive performance of the Toyotas
Mäkinen will receive some calls after the weekend concerning 2018 driver lineup

[N.O.T]

Impressive performance of the Toyotas
Mäkinen will receive some calls after the weekend concerning 2018 driver lineup

What exactly is impressive?

[mknight]

Impressive performance of the Toyotas
Mäkinen will receive some calls after the weekend concerning 2018 driver lineup

As written before it should be expected that Toyota does well when it's their home rally. Same for Sweden as the conditions are similar.

It's the rough gravel rallies and tarmac that Toyota might lack at.

[dimviii]

Ha ! Suninen beats all the Toyota's. :D

Ogier doesn't like that.

[car]

Anyone else struggling to listen to rally radio using an iPhone or iPad? Any idvice? Thanks.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really surprised at the lack of pace of Neuville & Hyundai's - slowest of all the WRC's today. They looked so good on the SD video's. Any theories ?

[Mise]

Impressive performance of the Toyotas
Mäkinen will receive some calls after the weekend concerning 2018 driver lineup

Well, need to see the bigger picture here. Toyota has unlimited testing in Finland, since their HQ is in Finland. So they should be fast in Neste rally.
Of course this really looks good to an old finnish rally fan :D

[electroliquid]

Of course this really looks good to an old finnish rally fan :D

Indeed, rallying el clasico :)

[N.O.T]

Really surprised at the lack of pace of Neuville & Hyundai's - slowest of all the WRC's today. They looked so good on the SD video's. Any theories ?

Paddon was not slow....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon was not slow....

Neuville and Sordo were and still are slow.

[swanny]

And sadly Paddon is out.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Reading Neuville's quotes he seems to have started with the mindset of not being able to go for the win, and then just settling for top 5 after Ogier went out.

Not the attitude of a champion IMO.

[seb_sh]

Reading Neuville's quotes he seems to have started with the mindset of not being able to go for the win, and then just settling for top 5 after Ogier went out.

Not the attitude of a champion IMO.

Actually, it's exactly the attitude of a champion in modern WRC.

[mknight]

Really surprised at the lack of pace of Neuville & Hyundai's - slowest of all the WRC's today. They looked so good on the SD video's. Any theories ?

Generally this year Hyundai's strength has been "agility" in slow-medium speed corners and narrow roads and how easy they were to drive in medium-fast corners. They don't seem to have the best top speed. (Ford seems to lead there ahead of Toyota). In Finland the road is so wide that other cars don't have so much issues with controlling the cars (as opposite to Poland which is narrow). This is also why Citroen is doing ok.

Then it's the drivers:
Neuville has never done extremely well in Finland, has bad road position (specially now without Ogier in front) which he is not used to. Also does not want to risk crashing when Ogier is out and relies a bit more on mistakes of the ones in front.
Sordo again has not done well in the later years here.
Paddon was fast (maybe also due to road position), but seems like he was pushing too much (as we have seen at least 2 big moments on vid).

Off course, all this is just speculation. But that's what you asked for ;)

[swanny]

Anyone else struggling to listen to rally radio using an iPhone or iPad? Any idvice? Thanks.

Working alright for me on phone using the WRC Android app.

EDIT: jinx!

[rhm]

Reading Neuville's quotes he seems to have started with the mindset of not being able to go for the win, and then just settling for top 5 after Ogier went out.

Not the attitude of a champion IMO.

This is what Ogier has been doing all year...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Actually, it's exactly the attitude of a champion in modern WRC.

How so ? Ogier and Loeb just won titles by not winning rallies ?

[rhm]

Neuville has won three rallies this year, Ogier has won two...

[KKS]

Really surprised at the lack of pace of Neuville & Hyundai's - slowest of all the WRC's today. They looked so good on the SD video's. Any theories ?
He never be fast here. So his pace now - it's his own maximum

[rhm]

It's only Friday afternoon, let's wait and see where Neuville is on Sunday morning.

[mknight]

Neuville has won three rallies this year, Ogier has won two...

Ogier was first on the road on every gravel rally since Mexico.

Note that Neuville already on SS7 complained about road cleaning when there is no Ogier in front.

[seb_sh]

How so ? Ogier and Loeb just won titles by not winning rallies ?

No I mean being smart and choosing your battles. Ogier and Loeb had plenty rallies they accepted to finish on the podium when they couldn't win. I think Neuville realizes both he and the car and his road position means he does not have the best chance here, plus it's a difficult rally where mistakes are costly. So he is playing the long game on this one, no shame in that.

[dimviii]

fuck I am on a ferry back to Athens and signal is cutting.

[KKS]

Tanak not push. Seems to be he didn't wont get back into top10 :/
Looks like a "champion illness" so early. Win or nothing.

[dimviii]

Fri 16:24 - Weather update
The rain has stopped. The sun is out.

Fri 16:24 - SS9: Latvala
"Slippery now, but not too dramatic. I have to be very focused all the time. I know I need to fight with Esapekka, but I'm in a difficult [road] position here. I know the grip will improve for him."

[N.O.T]

Seems that neuville attacked here....


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[mknight]

Looks like first decent time of the day from Neuville.

[KKS]

Meeke now start Sunday driving from Friday. Trying to be calm for his ugly-chief

[rage82]

Lappi again with decent time, now only 1.1 sec. behind Jari

[KKS]

Thoose 3 finns are amazing!

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/uTSsE8x.jpg

[dimviii]

https://i.imgur.com/uTSsE8x.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF05GKcXoAAUPcO.jpg

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF05GKcXoAAUPcO.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/i1UugwX.jpg

checkmate:D

[Rally Hokkaido]

They're just having lunch...

^^ The body language.
Breen: thinking, "Kris was right, it just needed some sauce!"
Matton looks pissed or more like "what are you saying?"
Meeke agitated and saying, "And you people are supposed to be great at cooking!"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If Neuville wants to win the title he needs to take full advantage when Ogier drops points, like Ogier did early in the season when Neuville made mistakes.

Ford's of Østberg, Suninen and even Evans are ahead of him (and Sordo) so far and so reducing Hyundai points in the Manu battle.

[AnttiL]

If Neuville wants to win the title he needs to take full advantage when Ogier drops points, like Ogier did early in the season when Neuville made mistakes.

Ford's of Østberg, Suninen and even Evans are ahead of him (and Sordo) so far and so reducing Hyundai points in the Manu battle.

Suninen and Østberg do not reduce Hyundai's manu points.

[Duvel]

If Neuville wants to win the title he needs to take full advantage when Ogier drops points, like Ogier did early in the season when Neuville made mistakes.

Ford's of Østberg, Suninen and even Evans are ahead of him (and Sordo) so far and so reducing Hyundai points in the Manu battle.

Last stage was better from Neuville i expect him to go for a smal push in the coming stage's still no flat out. But if he can do top 3, top 5 stage time's he could wel be up to 6th maybe even 5th at the end of the day.

I like the way he handles things here in Finland, hope it will show on sunday this is the way to go!

Lappi and Suninen both are potential world champions i think.

Shame Sunninen wont do WRC Germany, such young guys should get the expierence for each event as soon as possible.

[Simmi]

Shame Sunninen wont do WRC Germany, such young guys should get the expierence for each event as soon as possible.

He should at least do the event in an R5 no?

[mknight]

Suninen was slower than Tidemand in both Sweden (1 min behind) and Portugal and much slower than Mikkelsen in both Portugal and Corsica. Just saying.

I wish him well ,but please no over-hype too early.

[dimviii]

lets see if we will have bigger differences at this long stage.

[andyone]

How so ? Ogier and Loeb just won titles by not winning rallies ?

i think Loeb was not always going fast. but selecting the time to attack. in Finland fighting against the finns is too risky. even loeb knew that

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport‏
The last 3 Finnish lead Rally Finland was in 2007 after SS2 (Latvala/Hirvonen/Grönholm) #wrc #RallyFinland

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen and Østberg do not reduce Hyundai's manu points.

Manu points reward just finishing over a high place by speed. :( Maybe why Neuville is scared to go for the win here... :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

this stage hasn't got big jumps,lets see if make any difference.


Fri 17:11 - Stage info: SS10
Lankamaa, 21.68km. Another Rally Finland classic returning after a few years away, Lankamaa is not a jump-fest, but makes up for it in speed. A couple of new hay bale chicanes have been added this year to try and keep the average speeds down. The stage is notable too for a sandy-surface heath section at 8km which is particularly fast and demands accurate lines.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

i think Loeb was not always going fast. but selecting the time to attack. in Finland fighting against the finns is too risky. even loeb knew that

Loeb had 3 wins in Finland and numerous podiums.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS10 - Neuville down on all the splits (except Sordo) ..

[Simmi]

Manu points reward just finishing over a high place by speed. :( Maybe why Neuville is scared to go for the win here... :rolleyes:

I think sometimes drivers use manufacturer points as an excuse. I really doubt that's the reason Thierry isn't on the pace. And besides, the more points he has the more benefit for both championships. He has a golden opportunity this weekend.

[car]

This is going to end with 3 Toyotas on the podium.

[lnvs]

Suninen was slower than Tidemand in both Sweden (1 min behind) and Portugal and much slower than Mikkelsen in both Portugal and Corsica. Just saying.

I wish him well ,but please no over-hype too early.Skoda vs Ford too. His pace against Tidemand was better in last season when they both had Skoda. Just saying.

[N.O.T]

stupid decsion by neuville to have that pace on a long day like this... Ogier can even extend his lead on this rally...

Maybe Neuville bets on the misfortunes of others to gain places.

[Duvel]

Suninen was slower than Tidemand in both Sweden (1 min behind) and Portugal and much slower than Mikkelsen in both Portugal and Corsica. Just saying.

I wish him well ,but please no over-hype too early.

Agree, but R5 class isn't the same as wrc class, Lappi wasn't fastest at every rally in R5 i believe, but in a WRC car he is impressive so far. Somehow i think Sunninen is the same case.

R5 would be good solution, but WRC even better of course, but thats a lot more expensive off course.

[mknight]

Skoda vs Ford too. His pace against Tidemand was better in last season when they both had Skoda. Just saying.

Yeah it's not a clear picture, also for a Fin his Corsica pace was quite good. Was just meant as a quick reality check when he is already being announced next WDC.

[Simmi]

Lappi on pace to take the lead!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think sometimes drivers use manufacturer points as an excuse. I really doubt that's the reason Thierry isn't on the pace. And besides, the more points he has the more benefit for both championships. He has a golden opportunity this weekend.

I think it's a big thing for Hyundai. They would prefer the Manu title over the Driver's if they can only win one.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville emotional at stage end acc to WRC Live.

And Sordo: 'Not enjoying it. My head is not in the race'.

[swanny]

Meeke also a little emotional...

New leader: Lappi.

[N.O.T]

Meeke lost a lot of time on the last split... something happened.

[over jump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkJ0I4CIf5I

SS4 Jukojärvi today

[sonnybobiche]

He's just taken the lead, but I can't see Lappi finishing at this pace, honestly. Would be a really impressive victory, though.

[mknight]

He's just taken the lead, but I can't see Lappi finishing at this pace, honestly. Would be a really impressive victory, though.

I think his pace is ok, just getting slight advantage from road position compared with Latvala.

[rhm]

Triple-Finn podiums in WRC since 1979:


New Zealand 2002 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/91-propecia-rally-new-zealand-2002/)
New Zealand 1999 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/130-rally-new-zealand-1999/)
Rally Finland 1997 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/173-neste-rally-finland-1997/)
Rally Finland 1996 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/482-neste-1000-lakes-rally-finland-1996/)
Acropolis Rally 1987 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8914-acropolis-rally-1987/)
Monte-Carlo 1986 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/1577-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-1986/)
Rally of 1000 Lakes 1986 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8671-rally-of-1000-lakes-1986/)
RAC Rally 1986 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8674-lombard-rac-rally-1986/)
1000 Lakes Rally 1984 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8561-1000-lakes-rally-1984/)
Swedish Rally 1981 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/1586-international-swedish-rally-1981/)
Rally of 1000 Lakes 1981 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/10523-jyvaskylan-suurajot-rally-of-1000-lakes-1981/)
Acropolis Rally 1980 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/10820-acropolis-rally-1980/)

[N.O.T]

1-2-3-4 overall for the fins....

[Mirek]

All top four places for Finns now. Who would have expected that?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg with a loose wheel problem and Suninen also thinks something's wrong... :(

[KKS]

and now we have TOP4 overall with Finns! :)

[Thousandlakes]

Nice to be finnish. Top 4 looks nice. Our
Rallying future is guaranteed!

[mknight]

Let's see if Hanninen can fix the car.

[Meekefan]

When Toyota will stop this fight? It is ok for spectator, but a major thinking must to be taking into account. The victory in the rally and an important score for the championship.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/BL58vTn.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/69GRd6b.jpg

[EightGear]

So, finally catching up with today's action. Wow.

Neuville has a golden opportunity this weekend, but precisely now he is struggling for pace. Impressed by Lappi and Suninen, a shame we lost Paddon, and a shame Tanak gad issues also.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/dGEYBxA.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/5M8l88v.jpg

[dimviii]

Fri 18:01 - SS10: WRC 2 Greensmith
Did not start the stage. Retired from the day.

Fri 18:00 - SS10: WRC 2 Huttunen
Quickest so far in WRC 2, but lucky to escape an excursion into a field. He got back on again but there seems to be damage to the right-rear wheel.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1J_KEXgAALXPK.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1MHEhWAAAyJza.jpg

[KKS]

What reason for Gus?

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1MHEhWAAAyJza.jpg
He can't arrive in time to start TC!

[mknight]

Hanninen now moving towards next stage, so should start on time? Pace is another question.

[swanny]

From those last pics the Hyundai seems to fly nose up.

[mknight]

Hanninen doing 141 kph on the public road. So he might be a bit late to TC.

Also that could get VERY costly in Finland.

[steve.mandzij]

What exactly is impressive?How stupid are you?

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[KKS]

Up to 150kph sometimes

[mknight]

Up to 150kph sometimes

Let's see if he takes a roundabout the wrong way like Ogier did in Poland.

[KKS]

Juho late into start TC by ~1 min

[dimviii]

Latvala a bit stressed...

Jari-Matti Latvala‏

SS11 "Not very good stage and I'm not happy. Did some mistakes and I lose a bit of time. Just need to drive a bit cleaner"

[steve.mandzij]

Holy shit, Lappi is flying! However, I can still see Latvala winning this one for sure. Lappi is pushing like a hell whilst Latvala is going fast, but not risking it all.

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[mknight]

Looks like the fix worked for Hanninen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville : The rhythm is good but I can't keep the rear in the line. Our car is just not performing enough. We are still far away.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi 3.5s out of Latvala... wow !

[mknight]

Østberg also fixed the car. EDIT: Or not..
Meeke bend the steering.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Østberg also fixed the car. EDIT: Or not..


Still saying hard to control the car though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak is closing on Sordo, and if Meeke has an issue he can take that position too and be just a place behind Neuville !

[dimviii]

Michelin video day 1 with external view from Ogiers crash
https://youtu.be/bml-j1Uw-qc

[Daviesalaam]

No Team Order for TGR?! ..the kid is threat... JML must prove something on this last 2stages for today

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[sonnybobiche]

Michelin video day 1 with external view from Ogiers crash
https://youtu.be/bml-j1Uw-qc

That rear wing is doing much more than I thought it would, even at low speed. Watch the dirt on the rear right quarter panel at 2:08

Who would have guessed that Mercedes F1 knew anything about aero.

[steve.mandzij]

Lappi still flying on the limit, but nobody is noticing that Latvala's being smart. Save for his mishap in the previous stage he's been going for consistency, pushing but not too much to maintain a steady gap to Lappi for tomorrow. Smart quick driving from him.

Also, looks to me like Ogier blamed the car for his own mistake.

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[dimviii]

Also, looks to me like Ogier blamed the car for his own mistake.

whatdid he said?

[Mirek]

No Team Order for TGR?! ..the kid is threat...

Sure I don't want to be too pedantic but the kid is 26 years old and a father already ;)

[steve.mandzij]

whatdid he said?Shit, my bad, I thought he'd said the suspension had broken, not MSport. Still, from the video it looked like he got caught out in a slippery section. Driver error.

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[Eli]

Wow what a day of rallying, 4 Fins leading the way...most impressive by them all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If you like this ;) more here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1WCcEXoAIOitv.jpg

[dimviii]

lol

rallytravel.com‏*@rallytravel
@TeemuSuninenRac warming up for Laukaa 2!

https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/890972005889191937

[dimviii]

Sebastien Ogier will delay his decision over whether to rejoin Rally Finland for leg two while co-driver Julien Ingrassia recovers from their Friday morning crash.
The pair's M-Sport Ford Fiesta WRC went off the road near the end of the Jukojarvi and hit a tree on Ingrassia's side.
Both men were taken to hospital for a check-up and were given the all-clear from medics, though Ogier said Ingrassia remains "a bit dizzy".
While the car will be prepared and ready for Saturday's eight stages, it is undecided whether Ogier and Ingrassia will compete.
"The car is OK, we just need to wait a bit," said Ogier.
"Julien got a bit shaken in the crash. We have done all the [hospital] tests and we are OK - there is nothing to come out of the tests at hospital.
"But still, at the moment, he is not feeling super-good, so I want to wait and give him the chance to decide.
"Side impacts are never good and it's on his side so maybe it's a bit worse for him."
Ogier still has a shot at taking five points from Sunday's powerstage if he rejoins.
M-Sport could retire the car from Saturday's leg as well to give Ingrassia more time and then rejoin on Sunday, but the rules require Ogier and Ingrassia taking the car out of parc ferme at 7.20am local time on Saturday morning to officially retire it again.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130976/ogier-codriver-still-recovering-after-crash

[Andre Oliveira]

Interesting sentence by Ogier about clean road

“In some ways I am happy: now he realises what is first on the road. There are not so many people who have seen that.

"For years I have done this job and people like him, who have never done [it] often say: 'Ah, it's not so much, Ogier's complaining too much.'

"But now I see what he does when it's tough and it's nothing really impressive."

[mknight]

ouch

[steve.mandzij]

Battle of the egos

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[Oliverk]

Well at least Neuville is a world best road cleaner if you watch Latvalas time after him.

[EstWRC]

What a rookie mistake from Tänak! So pissed, third year in a row our fun lasts only like 4 stages. Utterly disappointed.

They say the first victory make them better? Ahhh

[steve.mandzij]

What a rookie mistake from Tänak! So pissed, third year in a row our fun lasts only like 4 stages. Utterly disappointed.

They say the first victory make them better? AhhhCertainly worked for Paddon :( win and double retirement.

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[dimviii]

nice clip with Neuville
https://twitter.com/TIEMPORALLY/status/890970788618219520

[er88]

Ogier really went in hard on Neuville there. Are the quotes genuine yeah?
Title battle is really heating up lads :cool:

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[mknight]

Well in service Neuville said he was watching Ogiers lines and thought he was risking too much. Same story like Tanak in Poland ("I knew he was going to crash").

[steve.mandzij]

Wow, what a leg! I hope we get a full length battle for the win this time around, all the way to the power stage. Lappi is pushing hard but his pace mightn't be sustainable for three days. Latvala still hasn't pushed to his limit so his deficit to Lappi is definitely closeable. The key to victory is commitment right now, more than ever.

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[eib1]

lol

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20414210_1663624050314349_2505405638519144083_o.jp g?oh=53fd0af059c1785d42bd3a61797a34cb&oe=5A0197BB

[Fast Eddie WRC]

(10 - Latvala Jari-Matti / Anttila Miikka): Esapekka has been absolutely fantastic today, I take my hat off to him. Tomorrow gets more challenging with the stages, we will be closer together with the start position. That's where we will know where we are - that is the reality. After this stage I know what I can do...

[dupanton]

lol

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20414210_1663624050314349_2505405638519144083_o.jp g?oh=53fd0af059c1785d42bd3a61797a34cb&oe=5A0197BB

I'm sure NOT loves this one, it has everything he likes: flowers, a sick dog and you can barely see the car

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak: "We're making up a lot of time on the drivers ahead so let's see what more we can do and how many points we can score."

Go Ött !!

[eib1]

Bosse after driving 2017 spec wrc :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzlWcoXkAEVjzf.jpg

[mknight]

LOL at Neuville catching the mobile.

EDIT: Also crazy high volume on the "background" music again.

[mknight]

What is the starting order based on, seems totally random.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quattro & Celica GT4 on tonight's SS.. 😎
https://m.facebook.com/rallyinsideplus/posts/1639940286080272

[N.O.T]

Tanak will pass neuville easily by sunday if neuville does not improve....

[SPKen]

SS12 Laukaa 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EauPX9cUgM

[BigWorm]

Tanak will pass neuville easily by sunday if neuville does not improve....

Not sure about that, 52s is quite a lot in Finland.

[eddy707]

Bosse after driving 2017 spec wrc :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzlWcoXkAEVjzf.jpg
Is that Marko Martin on the right?

[eib1]

yes, he is

[mknight]

Have to note how fortunes change

Remember Breen's friday interview in Poland? And then he was basically the slowest WRC whole saturday and sunday. Now he is 4th!

Contrast with Neuville - clear victory in Poland, now 2nd slowest WRC most of the day.

[rallyace]

It's Esapekka Lappi in the lead of the rally after day 1.

Does anyone else have the feeling that we might have to get used to the above for years to come?

[mknight]

It's Esapekka Lappi in the lead of the rally after day 1.

Does anyone else have the feeling that we might have to get used to the above for years to come?

I hope, but to take a recent example Paddon was praised as the man to beat Ogier after Argentina last year, so let's keep the hopes up and the hype down.

[Mise]

Bosse after driving 2017 spec wrc :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzlWcoXkAEVjzf.jpg

Not 100 % sure, since so much noise on the background, but I think we had a Marcus Grönholm moment. :D

In live TV he said to JML tht the one corner is damp and slippy, the rest is okay. And then while commentating live , JML went wide in that corner.
I think (not 100 % sure) Bosse said: "Saatana, I just told him about that corner."

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1dAaDXYAM0UX7.jpg

[mknight]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1dAaDXYAM0UX7.jpg

Tanak: "So this is the front suspension that I will be fixing next year"

[dimviii]

lol
https://twitter.com/AtWorldMA/status/890983542880120832

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1q10_XcAA5cme.jpg

[BigWorm]

Surprising day, 5 of the 6 pre-rally victory aspirants are out of the contention. Nice to see Finns locking out the top 3, feels like the old days.

Bad day for Neuville, cleaning a little bit maybe, but I feel like he's just off the pace today and things wouldn't have been much different if he wasn't first on the road. Probably his first proper bad day this season where he tries but the times aren't there. Possibilities to try something different tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

Not sure about that, 52s is quite a lot in Finland.

Yes it will be hard but he took the same margin from sordo today. And now just 40 secs behind meeke while it was over a minute down at one point.

[BigWorm]

Yes it will be hard but he took the same margin from sordo today. And now just 40 secs behind meeke while it was over a minute down at one point.

We shall see, but I wouldn't take it for granted.