Neste Rally Finland 2017

[pantealex]

What about parking with the bus service, can you go back from stage to the parking area whenever you want at any time (for example leave the stage after 15 cars)?
Thanks

I must say that I don´t understand what you are asking?
"parking with the bus service" ? That part I don´t understand, sorry!

[pantealex]

There is "public" test on monday in Keuruu "army area" but for who?
WRC2? JWRC?

(I know that privateers are also welcomed and Printsport drivers are attending)

[AnttiL]

I must say that I don´t understand what you are asking?
"parking with the bus service" ? That part I don´t understand, sorry!

Some stages have a bus line between parking area and stage, at least Pihlajakoski. I don't know how often it runs but if I remember correctly it's non-stop

[pantealex]

Some stages have a bus line between parking area and stage, at least Pihlajakoski. I don't know how often it runs but if I remember correctly it's non-stop

Oh yeh!
Official programme (Tuulilasi) says non-stop at SS14/20 Pihlajakoski.

So, answer to baffo is YES, you can leave which time you want.

[pantealex]

There was some news that Brzezinski will stop his WRC-3 program after Poland because of poor results.

and Raoux did withdraw from last weekends AutoGlym rally, so it´s safe to say #22 and #70 are non starters.

[Rallyper]

@janvanvurpa I'll come back to you later. I'm on vacation by boat in the Stockholm archipelago.

[Integrale]

Leaving tomorrow morning, see you on the stages. So excited!

[SubaruNorway]

They fixed the Tuulilasi official program today so now you can view it, but you can't download it as an PDF in an easy way i think?

[janvanvurpa]

@janvanvurpa I'll come back to you later. I'm on vacation by boat in the Stockholm archipelago.

great..I emailed him and he's excited.. Hope you guys can hook up..He is a good guy..

[ruesluporp]

They fixed the Tuulilasi official program today so now you can view it, but you can't download it as an PDF in an easy way i think?

Yes! Only online... But it's easy to make some screenshots.

[pantealex]

What I´m hoping:
-Toyota to win.
-Citroen to have succesful rally.

What I believe will happen:
-Tänak will win because:
--Ogier is not fast enough
--Neuville will watch what Ogier does, no big risk
--JML has got some mental problems, again
--Meeke will do somekind bad move, maybe car will break this time

-Lappi will be fastest Toyota and Top3

[AnttiL]

My prediction is that Tänak, Meeke, Paddon and Suninen will make fast stage times but not finish on the podium. I hope all cars will be competitive.

Another prediction is that the fight for the win will be tighter than ever on this season. It will be an epic rally.

[AnttiL]

Weather forecast looks like we have dry on friday morning and saturday morning, maybe some rain on both afternoons, thursday and sunday. But most likely the roads won't be totally dry even if it doesn't rain during the stage, probably quite damp.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier will be quicker than Neuville but may finish behind JML. None of these 3 will be the winner in my view! I shall post a review of the 2017 crystal ball progress befor the start of NRF

[Simmi]

Definitely feeling a bit sore not to be attending this year. I've done three out of the last four Rally Finlands. Very jealous of everyone who is going. It's going to be amazing. I'll be back in 2018!

[AnttiL]

Toyota press release: http://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/report/2017/09/preview.html

Hyundai: https://motorsport.hyundai.com/targeting-first-finnish-podium/

Interesting that Finland is the only rally where Hyundai is yet to score a podium

[mknight]

Very hard to predict, just about anything can end up correct. Specially since it's hard to predicts crashes.

My go:

Latvala most likely to win - in Poland he was top3 fast on a rally he was never that good at, in Finland he has very good results from before, lots of testing with Toyota and has become stable this year

Neuville and Tanak will be fighting for 2-3, but Tanak with his wild style can pay dearly if he does a small mistake, Neuville has not done very good here and has been close to major offs in Poland too. Tanak might get some team orders to finish so M-Sport gets manu points.

Ogier will try "stable and safe" 3-4th place after loosing 20-30s on day 1 with road position.
Lappi can get up to podium if others crash, but not top 3 speed (note he has never been near Latvala in same road conditions)
Paddon 4-5th

Citroens are off course huge unknown, for Meeke he surely does have some pressure on, my guess is either he goes for win and crashes or he keeps it on the road in 4-5th place, the second option is surely better for both him and Citroen. Breen most likely to keep it on the road in 6th place.
Sunninen will get a good stagetime or two but probably crash. Hanninen either 8th-ish or big crash.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@MSport:
Our set-up crew find cover where they can as the heavens open at the @RallyFinland service park ☔️ https://t.co/OKDWVJQjF2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some bad weather there today !!

RALLY FINLAND: Dear @RallyFinland - stop pretending to be @WalesRallyGB in October! Jyväskylä today 🤣 🇫🇮 📹 @Muksunen https://t.co/1xrbnw04dC

[AnttiL]

Toyota press release: http://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/report/2017/09/preview.html

Hyundai: https://motorsport.hyundai.com/targeting-first-finnish-podium/

Interesting that Finland is the only rally where Hyundai is yet to score a podium

And M-Sport http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/fired-up-and-ready-to-fly-at-rally-finland

[satukata]

I hope JML win. I spoke with Jarimatti yesterday. He was very happy and motivated. Car was very good and fast in last test. he think they have best Wrc car for rally Finland. Jari told they have new engine in Toyota for rally Finland. jarimatti said Esapekka can be really fast too and maybe tanak and neuville.. big fight and jml for win!

[Eli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4HlnNg2vk Michelin video before Rally Finland.

[Rallyper]

Hey boys I just got off the phone with a good friend who I build his engine and flywheel and suspension for his nice rally 240 Volvo and I even (yikes!!!:uhoh:) co-drive with a couple of times...He called to say he's arranged a very last minute trip to Finland with his family and negotiate with his wife to get one day off , Saturday, to go watch WRC...
Very last minute, brilliant planning, I know, but the poor boy doesn't have a clue what to do to see anything..

His name is Albert Kun but we call him Alperti Kunkanen because every rally driver should have a Finnish alter-ego.
He's a very nice guy, very good humor and generally fun to hang out with..

Can some of you guys temporarily adopt Al and drag him along?

Just Saturday......

Pelle! You have room maybe? language should not be a problem, he can understand me so he can understand anything...I have even tried to teach him some Finnish swearing (well he did ask what I was saying on Stages about his driving...)

if you can help and have some space please send me a note with your mobil phone number and maybe even say where you think would be smartest for him to be...

Naturally he's flying in to Helsinki so he has to go up North somewhere...Train? Buss? Where?

If you have any brilliant ideas please email me cause I don't know if PM works so well..My email is janvanvurpa "at" gmail 'dot' com

Now since he's a Volvo 240 rally guy sure he wants to see the big heroes but I know he will be extra thrilled to see F-cup or vetomies too...I have been encouraging boys to get to Finland or Sweden and see what "normal" people drive like ---or "Abby Normal" people in typical club level cars..
Please let me know....

Now, your frien Mr Kun (Kunkkanen) need help. I have no room, yet. My plan is to stay over in my own car or maybe I´ll find room, but nothing decided yet, except for I live on hotel Wed-Thu.
His main problem I guess is to go up to Jyväskylä from Helsinki. Renting a small car would surely be best solution. Also haven´t talked to my Finnish friends about it. But if he can be at a predefined place at a predefined hour, I think we could arrange something. That was for Saturday, right?

[Rallyper]

@janvanvurpa Mr Kun can join if he will be at Jyväskylä 6am or Jämsä 7am Saturday morning. More details should be in PM, right? You get PM from me right away. (even though you´re at sleep right now ...)

[racerx1979]

My US weather app (not always consistent) is saying we will have some rain on Thursday, Friday and Sunday. Wet conditions will be interesting

[EstWRC]

no rain please, it will be not fun then to be there.

[M5]

28 x R5!
Will be cool, almost more interesting than Wrc!
some of them will have the experience of their life, on the 1000 lakes roads!

[AnttiL]

28 x R5!
Will be cool, almost more interesting than Wrc!
some of them will have the experience of their life, on the 1000 lakes roads!

And the cool thing is that there's no Mikkelsen or Tidemand to take a clear victory, instead it's gonna be a tight battle between Veiby, Greensmith, Huttunen, Nordgren, Camilli and Asunmaa.

[AnttiL]

My local forecast says still chance of rain for all days, especially afternoons, but now the afternoon temperatures are over 20 C. Thursday actually seems quite dry.

[Tauri_J]

well the forecast has been changin a lot ...like always lol

my sources are saying rain all day on friday and light rain on sunday

probaly its gonna change a lot during the next days

[satukata]

Where and when is P2 test?

[Rustyvolvo]

Hello friend, this is John's friend Albert, I'm planning to rent a little car and head up late Friday night, and be ready Saturday morning. Tell me where to be, I will have refreshments and many good stories about mr. Vanlandingham

[Rallyper]

Hello friend, this is John's friend Albert, I'm planning to rent a little car and head up late Friday night, and be ready Saturday morning. Tell me where to be, I will have refreshments and many good stories about mr. Vanlandingham

We come back to you in time. No worry. Will be really nice to meet up.

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon‏*@HaydenPaddon
Final run through the pacenotes on the plane to Finland Super excited and ready for the best rally of the year @RallyFinland #paddonspack

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[SubaruNorway]

Does anyone know if it's possible to drive into this area by the green dot on Äänekoski?
Quite a lot of people for being so far from P5 parking

And has anyone found a Laukaa onboard from 2011?

[janvanvurpa]

Hello friend, this is John's friend Albert, I'm planning to rent a little car and head up late Friday night, and be ready Saturday morning. Tell me where to be, I will have refreshments and many good stories about mr. Vanlandingham


Wait a minute! You're Volvo ain't rusty....poor thing has suffered in other ways but rust?
Al you better take some detail shots of the rear suspension on some of those BMWs cause everybody here is breaking them and those F-cup guys drive faster and harder than Pastrami and Iggins do here, so we gotta see what they're doing to survive...

[dimviii]

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[mufcAleksi]

And has anyone found a Laukaa onboard from 2011?

I'd also like some footage from 2011 Laukaa, I don't understand how there's nothing on Youtube from that stage other than Matti Rantanen's crash

[AnttiL]

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This is from Halinen, right after the big jump. The chicanes were well visible on the official recce videos. There's about 2-3 per stage, some are made using ternary junctions with a triangle of land in the middle and going around it, some are made like on the sign in the pic, with a hay bale on a side junction.

[dimviii]

M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
3 DAYS TO GO Remember this genius @RallyFinland fix? In 2015, @ElfynEvans used a @Snapon_Tools spanner to hold his broken suspension! #WRC


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[SubaruNorway]

I'd also like some footage from 2011 Laukaa, I don't understand how there's nothing on Youtube from that stage other than Matti Rantanen's crash

This one gives you a little bit better perspective than the organizer recce video at least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u438jqZQ5kw&t=440s

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4264/1700724_rg2_app1_itineraries_fix.pdf

Fixed stage closing times.

(Sorry, I don´t know which have changed)

[mknight]

Hayden Paddon‏*@HaydenPaddon
Final run through the pacenotes on the plane to Finland Super excited and ready for the best rally of the year @RallyFinland #paddonspack

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So this is even before start of the recce and they are watching vids of stages and doing pacenotes.
Then it's 2? runs in recce with video review each evening.
During the rally they then watch the stages for next day each evening, at one point last year I even saw some drivers watching on mobile before the stage.
Also big sections of the stages are run each year.

Given that each day there are about 40-50 unique stage kilometers it's totally possible to remember just about every corner, or at minimum the tricky spots where you really should not go off. (Often also in notes (don't go wide, don't cut....)

This is nothing new, I just put it here since the topic comes up again and again.
Ref.
- Ogier's off in Monte on Saturday saying he knew he could go off there (and people not believing)
- Breen's stage time in Corsica on the short stage without intercom (he lost only a few s)
- multiple "safe" offs by numerous drivers in Poland

[dimviii]

This is nothing new, I just put it here since the topic comes up again and again.
Ref.
- Ogier's off in Monte on Saturday saying he knew he could go off there (and people not believing)


so you think that Ogier(or whatever driver) knew that at that corner, he could push more due to have space for error,and he knew that with this overdrive when he went out of road for 20-30 meters it was something calculated.he knew that he can go 30 meters out of road and not 15 meters with this overdrive.
Are you serious?

[Rallymat]

Hi new to the forum and my first visit to finland. Can anyone tell me if we can walk on the stages before the first car to find a suitable place to watch or are you restricted to the spectator areas?
Thanks

[wrc2017]

Are you serious?
i think he is..

[mknight]

so you think that Ogier(or whatever driver) knew that at that corner, he could push more due to have space for error,and he knew that with this overdrive when he went out of road for 20-30 meters it was something calculated.he knew that he can go 30 meters out of road and not 15 meters with this overdrive.
Are you serious?

Sorry but your post is not very coherent. I will just restate my view:

To take that specific corner in Monte he knew that the series of corners was in the open field without any deep trenches or drops and without a lot of trees on the outside, which is why he pushed just a bit more (= too much at that point). Nothing about meters here or there, just knowing where it's better to be a bit more on the safe side and where you can risk a bit. (EDIT: Maybe I now get what you ask about, obviously when there is open flat field, it doesn't matter if you go off by 15 or 30 meters, it's the information that it's less risky to go off. For comparison going off in Germany in a place with Hinkelsteins is certainly not "safe", neither is going off in Monte on a stage with 30m drop on the outside of the road)

That's something I am 100% sure off, Ogier himself said it in the finish of the stage. In addition to what I wrote about videos Ogier also comes from the area.

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Obviously it's not like drivers can remember every rock of every stage (specially on rallies like Sardinia), but remembering the main characteristics of parts of stages+risky spots. Btw. note also the stage reviews with WRC drivers on the official videos, it's not like they are reading it from a piece of paper.

Anyone who has watched 2-3 onboards from the same stage on WRC+ will remember quite a lot of the characteristics next time he watches. Note that we do it for fun over a few tens of minutes in our freetime. Professional rally drivers earn their living from fast driving, watching the stage vids to remember them is one of the easiest preparations they can do and is not limited by any testing limits or funding issues.

[SubaruNorway]

so you think that Ogier(or whatever driver) knew that at that corner, he could push more due to have space for error,and he knew that with this overdrive when he went out of road for 20-30 meters it was something calculated.he knew that he can go 30 meters out of road and not 15 meters with this overdrive.
Are you serious?

Pretty sure that's exactly what he said, he knew it was a big field there ;)

Philjakoski will catch a few people out this year, some sections are easy to get wrong in this direction, just a shame they made it so hard to get into this year.

[Rallyper]

So why don´t we discuss this and other matters on "The live Bar and Talk Discussion" session on Paviljonki Sokos Hotel Paviljonki on Thursday at 15.00 hours?? I promise I´ll be there. Maybe some of my Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish friends as well. Belgians, Greeks, French, German, whatever - just be square! Thursday 15.00 at SP Paviljonki Hotel Sokos Trattoria, outside restaurant. Maybe some beers will be changed from historical promises? :) :)

[dimviii]

Sorry but your post is not very coherent. I will just restate my view:

To take that specific corner in Monte he knew that the series of corners was in the open field without any deep trenches or drops and without a lot of trees on the outside, which is why he pushed just a bit more (= too much at that point). Nothing about meters here or there, just knowing where it's better to be a bit more on the safe side and where you can risk a bit.
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no he didn't know anything,it was pure luck he didn't hit a rock a tree,or a spectators car.
Same way they retire when they don't know for a cutten log or a stone at the edge of the road.Not something 5-10-20-30 meters away from road.
Corners are thousands at every rally,its impossible to know at which corner you have the space to go out of road,how the car will go out of road(front,sideways,with back side) or how many meters will travel at grass with sideways,when you make the mistake ''due to space'' ,at which stage you will need to push etc etc etc

[Rally Power]

That's something I am 100% sure off, Ogier himself said it in the finish of the stage.


Besides being a superhuman driver, Ogier can also be pretty ironic...

[dimviii]

Besides being a superhuman driver, Ogier can also be pretty ironic...

or more normally an excuse.

[dimviii]

Pretty sure that's exactly what he said, he knew it was a big field there ;)
.

its not the first time we ve listen excuses from Ogier.

[mknight]

no he didn't know anything,it was pure luck he didn't hit a rock a tree,or a spectators car.
Same way they retire when they don't know for a cutten log or a stone at the edge of the road.Not something 5-10-20-30 meters away from road.
Corners are thousands at every rally,its impossible to know at which corner you have the space to go out of road,how the car will go out of road(front,sideways,with back side) when you make the mistake ''due to space'' at which stage you will need to push etc etc etc

Small rock at the edge of the road could get exposed after recce. Clearly visible obstacles are marked, see for example Neuville's rally ending mistake in Monte, he had it marked in the notes.
Ogier totally knew it was open field without big visible obstacles.

Clearly you don't believe drivers can remember most of some 150 kms of stages that they spend 2-3 weeks preparing and watching vids for (as mentioned they drive them at least 2 times and watch on vid at least 3 times, most likely much more, + they are repeated year after year). Well that's just your opinion man ;)

Ohh, forgot, you also don't believe Ogier's own words and ignore the fact that he comes from the area and could have driven the road hundreds of times before. Pure luck is the only reason. Got it.

[dimviii]

Pure luck is the only reason. Got it.

of course. next time he will hit a stone or a log or whatever,i will ask you how is it possible to don't see it at recce.
or when somebody hit a tree,why he pushed at this corner,and not at a different one with 27 meters empty grass,so he could escape without a scratch.
so many watching videos,so many repeated stages for years, and they still hit rocks,logs,failing to cliffs.
Maybe they didn't notice them at recce.
Driver error? No way!

[mknight]

If you want to win you have to push (Tanak)... I would add, everywhere. Clearly some places are safer, some are a bit less safe.
All drivers are watching same vids, so they are all likely to push a bit in the "safer" areas. Which is why you see far more off-road excursions in these areas than in the middle of narrow rock/tree ridden sections. But consequences are more serious in the difficult spots. Also on some rallies/stages the consequences are the same no matter where you crash (Corsica, most Finish stages etc.).

Btw. remember Breen in Sardinia hitting the stone. Immediately after the vid came out quite a lot of people here pointed to recce error (jumping right on the rock in the cut), some people said "bad luck". Then came official wrc vid analysis and Citroen team comments that it was indeed recce/driver error due to inexperience at that spot.

Clearly there is no point to continue this discussion (also Rally Finland thread), even though I find it really difficult to believe how little faith you have in the memory of the fastest rally drivers in the world in the age of onboards. There are tons of evidence, statements from drivers, teams, stagetimes (Breen without intercom on Corsica). Sure 10 years ago the situation was different, not now.

[dimviii]

There are tons of evidence, statements from drivers, teams, stagetimes (Breen without intercom on Corsica). .

tons of crashes/ retirements at corners with no space.Why they pushed while they know there was no room for error?
Didn't watched the videos?

[Rallyper]

So why don´t we discuss this and other matters on "The live Bar and Talk Discussion" session on Paviljonki Sokos Hotel Paviljonki on Thursday at 15.00 hours?? I promise I´ll be there. Maybe some of my Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish friends as well. Belgians, Greeks, French, German, whatever - just be square! Thursday 15.00 at SP Paviljonki Hotel Sokos Trattoria, outside restaurant. Maybe some beers will be changed from historical promises? :) :)

Repeated so it won´t vanish in the off topic current discussion of drivers errors. ;)

[mknight]

tons of crashes/ retirements at corners with no space.Why they pushed while they know there was no room for error?
Didn't watched the videos?

Highlighted the relevant part of my post for you, maybe you missed it.

I see you really don't believe that Ogier can remember that a corner close to his childhood-home that he has driven in a rally stage probably 10+ times (5 years x 2 runs), that he drove 2 times in recce, watched a vid of 3 times during the previous week AND one that he drove already 2 hours before (was second run of the stage) has an open area on the outside. Even though he himself says it in an interview. Have to say I give up then, starts to sound like talking to some tinfoil-hat people.

[dimviii]

Highlighted the relevant part of my post for you, maybe you missed it.

I see you really don't believe that Ogier can remember that a corner close to his childhood-home that he has driven in a rally stage probably 10+ times (5 years x 2 runs), that he drove 2 times in recce, watched a vid of 3 times during the previous week AND one that he drove already 2 hours before (was second run of the stage) has an open area on the outside. Even though he himself says it in an interview. Have to say I give up then, starts to sound like talking to some tinfoil-hat people.

Ogier have some decades of crashes,why he crashed? didn't saw the videos? hadn't done these stages plenty of times? hadn't recce these stages? hadn't run twice at this rally this stage?
Get real.

[wrc2017]

You actually have an severe dose of verbal diarrhoea my friend..
Highlighted the relevant part of my post for you, maybe you missed it.

I see you really don't believe that Ogier can remember that a corner close to his childhood-home that he has driven in a rally stage probably 10+ times (5 years x 2 runs), that he drove 2 times in recce, watched a vid of 3 times during the previous week AND one that he drove already 2 hours before (was second run of the stage) has an open area on the outside. Even though he himself says it in an interview. Have to say I give up then, starts to sound like talking to some tinfoil-hat people.

[EstWRC]

Man that weather forecast is so pointless to watch at the moment and it changes with every hour! 6 hours ago when I went to sleep it showed rain on Friday and overcast on Saturday and now in the morning it shows sunny on Friday and rain on Saturday.


Blueford we need you!

[EstWRC]

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[Rallymat]

Hi new to the forum and my first visit to finland. Can anyone tell me if we can walk on the stages before the first car to find a suitable place to watch or are you restricted to the spectator areas?
Thanks

Can anyone give me a bit of an idea?

[EstWRC]

restricted to spectator areas....depends when you go there, if you go 4 hours before the first car then you can walk on stage too but if you go JUST before the first car then definitely only restricted areas.

[racerx1979]

We went a few hours before the start last year and were able to walk into the stages where there were no restrictions. You still need to stand in safe places, but it's less crowded and you can find some really nice sections by looking at the road.

[racerx1979]

Does anyone know where the Vetomies service area is? I would like to see the cars in person and take a few pictures, but the program is in Finnish :(.

[Mintexmemory]

We went a few hours before the start last year and were able to walk into the stages where there were no restrictions. You still need to stand in safe places, but it's less crowded and you can find some really nice sections by looking at the road.

It is more variable than that in my limited experience. Last year some areas were relaxed if you were moving before the safety cars passage but on several stages, despite standing in a safe spot at a location recommended in the programme, the marshal had interpreted their instructions as the zone in question was to be kept spectator-free. Only once did I have to hide in the undergrowth (and got bitten to hell!!) to escape the gaze of the lovely Michelle M. I'm going to start a craze for 'We love you Michelle' banners as she always looks so grumpy and clearly needs cheering up!

[OldF]

The spectator guide says that no walking on the stages starting from one hour before start of first car. To be on the safe side would be better to walk even earlier.

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Vetomies service area is at Hippos, Rautapohjankatu 10.
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[racerx1979]

Great, 1.5-2 hrs is safe. Thanks for the Vetomies info! Much appreciated

[racerx1979]

It is more variable than that in my limited experience. Last year some areas were relaxed if you were moving before the safety cars passage but on several stages, despite standing in a safe spot at a location recommended in the programme, the marshal had interpreted their instructions as the zone in question was to be kept spectator-free. Only once did I have to hide in the undergrowth (and got bitten to hell!!) to escape the gaze of the lovely Michelle M. I'm going to start a craze for 'We love you Michelle' banners as she always looks so grumpy and clearly needs cheering up!

My wife and I did the same thing. We hid behind trees when Michelle M and other zero cars were coming through. She saw us at one of the stages and rolled her window down and said "I'm not leaving until you guys cross the street and find a safe spot". We laughed a bit and walked across since we were going to do that anyways, but yes, she is always a bit angry :)

We got bit like crazy too. I've got tons of bug spray this time and will apply every two hours. Hope it keeps the mosquitoes away

[Rallymat]

That's all really helpful thanks everyone

[dimviii]

Go for the recce in Finland, including Mikkelsen and Lefebvre who do not participate in the rally http://bit.ly/2uUAqn4



Miikka Anttila‏*@MiikkaAnttila
We will be live tomorrow on Jari-Matti's FB page at 18:15 local to answer to your questions! Send them now with the hashtag #AskFlyingFinns

[CoyoteVillagra]

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[SubaruNorway]

That's all really helpful thanks everyone

Never had anyone restrict me to spectator areas, just walk behind the tape for the first 100-200m and don't draw attention to yourself and you'Il be fine usually, even less than 1 hour before. Sometimes they will try to guide you in one direction but just walk around. Crowded places like the wide road in Shakedown you have to walk in the forest mostly, narrow road at the start more relaxed.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/HaydenPaddon/status/889845188721618945

Paddon recce video.

[AnttiL]

http://int-media.citroen.com/en/citro%C3%ABn-c3-wrcs-tackle-finnish-grand-prix/

Citroen's press release. Even they are saying Breen is in car number 8 (although they changed his and Al-Qassimi's numbers around for some reason)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Red Bull asked Marcus Grönholm for his predictions for Rally Finland 2017:

https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/rally-finland-2017-marcus-gronholm-predictions

[satukata]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBRc4yklcs

where in laukaa stage is this place 15sec Rantanen crash?

[Tauri_J]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBRc4yklcs

where in laukaa stage is this place 15sec Rantanen crash?

https://youtu.be/kU-wR5YJI28?t=508

this one I think

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First time I've seen this in my rally game. I thought Finland was where the spectators watched safely... ;)

https://i.imgur.com/KSAjmDj.png

[KKS]

Go for the recce in Finland, including Mikkelsen and Lefebvre who do not participate in the rally http://bit.ly/2uUAqn4



Miikka Anttila‏*@MiikkaAnttila
We will be live tomorrow on Jari-Matti's FB page at 18:15 local to answer to your questions! Send them now with the hashtag #AskFlyingFinns
this is Toyota Subaru's?

[OHL]

this is Toyota Subaru's?

Those are Citroen's recce cars.

[EstWRC]

I'm on my way guys. On the ship at the moment and eating breakfast! I pray for no rain! But it's gonna be awesome like always!

[Tauri_J]

Oh its gonna Rain :D

Question is when...

[HarriK]

Weather forecast jämsä
http://www.foreca.com/Finland/Jamsa

My plan
Day 1 Thursday 5am from home Tampere towards Jyväskylä
SD + servive park and SS1 Harju
Then night in my summer cottage in Jämsä

Day 2
Urria 1&2 and Laukaa 1&2

Day 3
Päijälä 1 and vetomies 1.
Perhaps then ouninpohja 2

Day4
Proppably by boat to Oittila 1&2

Have a nice rally to all of you!

[pantealex]

this is Toyota Subaru's?

Very easy to see that those are not Toyota´s but Citroen´s recce cars:
-flags instead of Subaru badges in front (British, Ireland etc.)
-reg plates from France

[AnttiL]

Right now the local forecast says dry for all days except saturday, which will have lots of rain especially in the afternoon, but of course that can still change...

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC
- You are last year's winner. What are your thought on this year's event?
- Absolutely no idea.
@krismeeke @RallyFinland #WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFp3cqjWAAAyXGz.jpg

Is anything except a victory a disappointing result?
- No, no, no
- So as long as Ogier's behind?
- That's the main goal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFqFMi_W0AEYnd2.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFpi1S7XUAAtbBD.jpg

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC
The Award for the best recce car goes to @HuttunenRacing! There was hardly any competition in this. @RallyFinland #WRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFqJxsPW0AApmZu.jpg

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/status/890193899842658304

Veiby not contesting for WRC2 points

EDIT: Same for Max Vatanen. Latest entry list here http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4117/2017_nrf_entry_list_final_after_admin.pdf

[dimviii]

why?^^

[AnttiL]

why?^^

For Vatanen, I don't see any other reason than cheaper entry fee. Veiby has taken part in 4 rallies, Germany and Wales are mandatory and in WRC2 you can take part in 7 events (6 best results count). So maybe he's scared of the fast Finnish guys and thinks he'll score easier good points in Spain or Australia?

[dimviii]

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20294172_10155560411184868_680967795817244878_n.jp g?oh=87c16532e56417c410b0bf74df7489d6&oe=5A0AC88F

[dimviii]

Tanak also got a focus rs as a recce car?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130930

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Video: Sebastien Ogier explains 'scary' Finland WRC testing crash https://youtu.be/V9vzW7GOCB4

[dimviii]

cant wait....

[dimviii]

Karlip *
��
‏*@Karlip1
Looks like a certain sponsor has been censored off the Fords? Finnish laws? #WRC #RallyFinland

Karlip *
��
‏
Tänak on Toyota "I just do the driving, others do the negotiating. The sooner we get a clear view of our future, the better it is." #WRC

[AnttiL]

I think the OneBet stickers were shortened to "One___" also in France. In Finland gambling is only allowed for state-controlled companies.

[dimviii]

Kris Meeke: being dropped from Citroen squad shows lack of support

Kris Meeke says being dropped for the last World Rally Championship round shows a lack of support from some elements of the Citroen team.
Citroen replaced Meeke with Andreas Mikkelsen for Rally Poland following crashes in the preceding three events.
Meeke returns for Rally Finland this weekend but says the situation means he lacks the confidence to repeat his win there last year.
"It's a frustrating and difficult situation," he said.
"It's certainly not a situation I expected, but it is what it is.
"I'm happy be back in Finland, but it's frustrating to arrive here with the feeling we have now.
"To fight at the front on this rally, you need to arrive with absolutely no doubt in anything around you, to have pure commitment and to do what you want to do and I think it's fair to say that's not the case this year.
"I don't feel in the perfect environment to go and do what I did last year, but that's not to say one kilometre into the shakedown stage, that feeling won't come."
Asked if he felt supported in the Citroen team, Meeke replied: "If you're dropped for an event then there are certain people in the structure that don't give you the support.
"That's fine, I'm here working for Citroen. If they feel I'm not doing a good enough job and they want to do what they done, then that's fine, I'll go with it.
"I'll continue to do what I'm here to do to the best of my ability."
He added that "horrendous" weather for his pre-rally test had not helped.
"We had really, really heavy rain on both days and that made conditions so inconsistent and so difficult to get the feeling in the car," said Meeke.
"Maybe that's what's causing my lack of confidence."
Meeke said he had received "no instruction" from Citroen on how to approach this week's rally and would not drive conservatively.
"I'm not here to come home in the top 10, shake everybody's hand and go home with everybody thinking I'm happy," he said.

Citroen team principal Yves Matton said it was "very good" to have Meeke back.
"He won here last year and we know Kris is always at a high pace on this kind of event," Matton told Autosport.
"There is no target for Kris this week. "It's up to him to do the best he can to bring back the best information for the future."
Asked if he would prefer Meeke to crash out of the lead on Sunday morning or come home fifth, Matton replied: "Both would be bad... I would prefer for him to be leading on Saturday night and then finish on the podium, but I don't say where."



autosport.com

[Eli]

Kris Meeke: being dropped from Citroen squad shows lack of support

Kris Meeke says being dropped for the last World Rally Championship round shows a lack of support from some elements of the Citroen team.
Citroen replaced Meeke with Andreas Mikkelsen for Rally Poland following crashes in the preceding three events.
Meeke returns for Rally Finland this weekend but says the situation means he lacks the confidence to repeat his win there last year.
"It's a frustrating and difficult situation," he said.
"It's certainly not a situation I expected, but it is what it is.
"I'm happy be back in Finland, but it's frustrating to arrive here with the feeling we have now.
"To fight at the front on this rally, you need to arrive with absolutely no doubt in anything around you, to have pure commitment and to do what you want to do and I think it's fair to say that's not the case this year.
"I don't feel in the perfect environment to go and do what I did last year, but that's not to say one kilometre into the shakedown stage, that feeling won't come."
Asked if he felt supported in the Citroen team, Meeke replied: "If you're dropped for an event then there are certain people in the structure that don't give you the support.
"That's fine, I'm here working for Citroen. If they feel I'm not doing a good enough job and they want to do what they done, then that's fine, I'll go with it.
"I'll continue to do what I'm here to do to the best of my ability."
He added that "horrendous" weather for his pre-rally test had not helped.
"We had really, really heavy rain on both days and that made conditions so inconsistent and so difficult to get the feeling in the car," said Meeke.
"Maybe that's what's causing my lack of confidence."
Meeke said he had received "no instruction" from Citroen on how to approach this week's rally and would not drive conservatively.
"I'm not here to come home in the top 10, shake everybody's hand and go home with everybody thinking I'm happy," he said.

Citroen team principal Yves Matton said it was "very good" to have Meeke back.
"He won here last year and we know Kris is always at a high pace on this kind of event," Matton told Autosport.
"There is no target for Kris this week. "It's up to him to do the best he can to bring back the best information for the future."
Asked if he would prefer Meeke to crash out of the lead on Sunday morning or come home fifth, Matton replied: "Both would be bad... I would prefer for him to be leading on Saturday night and then finish on the podium, but I don't say where."



autosport.com

Just posted it in Citroen WRT thread lol.

[SubaruNorway]

I think the OneBet stickers were shortened to "One___" also in France. In Finland gambling is only allowed for state-controlled companies.

Same in Norway on the Østberg R5

[KKS]

Video: Sebastien Ogier explains 'scary' Finland WRC testing crash https://youtu.be/V9vzW7GOCB4
Surprisingly very good quotes from Ogier about chicanes

[KKS]

Citroen team principal Yves Matton said it was "very good" to have Meeke back.
"He won here last year and we know Kris is always at a high pace on this kind of event," Matton told Autosport.
"There is no target for Kris this week. "It's up to him to do the best he can to bring back the best information for the future."
Asked if he would prefer Meeke to crash out of the lead on Sunday morning or come home fifth, Matton replied: "Both would be bad... I would prefer for him to be leading on Saturday night and then finish on the podium, but I don't say where."

This manager should retire as soon as possible. He work against his own drivers!

[Zeakiwi]

Famin and Matton might swap jobs. Matton might be better managing an all French driver team?

What are the likely best road positions for the stages of Finland this year?

[AnttiL]

Shakedown on the run. Rally radio says Neuville, Sordo and Hänninen have already hit the fronts of their cars slightly

[dimviii]

Mika Aatos Kiviaho‏*@MKiviaho
@JuhoWRC hit the chicane.... #RALLIRINKI

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFt8PpLWAAAIj6N.jpg

[dimviii]

Gorban hit the radiator

https://twitter.com/MKiviaho/status/890446473904762880

[AnttiL]

Suninen got already the same time as Ogier on second round. A bit surprised about Sordo being fastest so far.

[KKS]

Shakedown 2nd pass very tight. Citorens are in form :)

[KKS]

gorban hit the radiator

https://twitter.com/mkiviaho/status/890446473904762880
lol :d

[racerx1979]

Is rally radio in English? What is the channel?

[AnttiL]

Is rally radio in English? What is the channel?

In finnish, they just have one guy sum up the results and give important announcements in English every now and then. The frequency is 99,3 MHz and online https://yle.fi/radio/radiosuomi/jyvaskyla/suora/

[racerx1979]

Great, thanks.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/HaydenPaddon/status/890453184761737216

Paddon doing third Shakedown round with Kennard

[KKS]

Hanninen have big damage after clipping a haybale?

[AnttiL]

Hanninen have big damage after clipping a haybale?

Rally radio talked about little water leaking and the car was being hauled from the stage back to service instead of them driving it there, just a security measure

[racerx1979]

Poor Juho is having a bad year. Hope he does well this weekend.

[Tauri_J]

Thats not a confidence boost for sure

[eib1]

Hanninen have big damage after clipping a haybale?

https://ewrc-results.com/quickp/36019_dfuiepuwaam_zku.jpg

[dimviii]

little moment for Suninen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFuFP_GXUAAO1tk.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFuFmorXcAAokx4.jpg

[mknight]

Seeing that Hanninen is still in service. What happens if he does not do more runs? Penalty?

[AnttiL]

Everybody else has now completed three runs with once again all the four different makes in the top four. I'm expecting Breen to do well in this rally and the shakedown time is promising.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFuY8lFW0AEwOLs.jpg

[mknight]

Everybody else has now completed three runs with once again all the four different makes in the top four https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36019-neste-rally-finland-2017/ I'm expecting Breen to do well in this rally and the shakedown time is promising.

The pressure is on for Breen, in Poland he was clearly the slowest Citroen. Based on last year he should do well here and there seems to be some speed in the C3 based on shakedown, he's also very good at keeping the car on the road.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, overall he has done the best job of all drivers in Citroen this year, just the recent Poland result might be unsettling.

[Jewy46]

Everybody else has now completed three runs with once again all the four different makes in the top four. I'm expecting Breen to do well in this rally and the shakedown time is promising.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFuY8lFW0AEwOLs.jpg

I hope you're right, would love to see Breen do well here. But my worry is that the pace at the front is going to be mega fast.
I think Tanak, Neuville and (possibly) Meeke were taking the Shakedown lightly and that their true pace will be seen on the stages.
That being said another top 6 result for Craig would do nicely.

On a side note.....Surely though Breen has very little left to prove this year, he's been running consistently well in most rallies and kept the head even when the team are falling down around him. From what I can see he's doing an excellent job in what looks to be a difficult environment.

[AnttiL]

Neuville already made the 2nd best time on his 4th run, 2.14.4

[mknight]

Seeing that Hanninen is still in service. What happens if he does not do more runs? Penalty?

Regulations say:


29.2.2 P1 drivers shall complete a minimum of 3 passages of the shakedown stage.


Does not look like penalties are likely.

[AnttiL]

And now Meeke matched Ogier's fastest time. Boy, what a rally ahead...

[AnttiL]

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/latvala-supports-changes-to-slow-finland-route/

Discussion about chicanes with Latvala and clerk of the course Kai Tarkiainen

[AnttiL]

Ogier's 3rd run was dismissed probably because he cut the chicane so now Meeke has the fastest time

[mknight]

While it's an indicator, it's always problematic to compare shakedown times when drivers do 4+ runs. Also some drivers like Ogier and Latvala did all runs in the morning and then gave up, while others (Neuville, Meeke++) did 2 then went back 1,5 hours later, so even comparing same run does not mean same conditions. Also Tanak, Evans and Breen are now going to do more runs again, some 2,5 hours after for example Latvala set his best time.

Nevertheless, Citroen does seem to be competetive (judging by both Meeke and Breen's times), which is good. (In Poland Shakedown they were 3 out of last 4 WRCs, with Breen the last one)

[AnttiL]

While it's an indicator, it's always problematic to compare shakedown times when drivers do 4+ runs.

True, and some try different settings or save tyres, some go flat out. And after two runs you start learning the stage, but the first two runs are more like actual rallying.

[AnttiL]

Ogier's 3rd run was dismissed probably because he cut the chicane so now Meeke has the fastest time

https://twitter.com/SebOgier/status/890489894971330561

Interestingly, Ogier says he asked for it to be cancelled

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/890499429953925120

Meeke says he has new parts on the car that he couldn't even test in advance. The newly homologated diff parts?

[mknight]

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/890499429953925120

Meeke says he has new parts on the car that he couldn't even test in advance. The newly homologated diff parts?

Must be something else. Test vids from Meeke's test showed the car was neutral to understeering out of slow corners (just like Mikkelsen's in Poland), not massive oversteer as before with the rear-torque bias.

[SPKen]

Shakedown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7PllH2hZaY

[mknight]

Close call by Breen and Latvala early in the vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Pkr7nILtQ

Also it is hard to compare the times much. In the morning there was a hayball at the chicane in the last part, then a red cone, by the last run shown on the vid (Meeke) there is the plastic block that everyone bumps into.

[WRC1]

judging by this shakedown vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Pkr7nILtQ

The times can not really be compared that much.
In the morning there was a hayball there, then a red cone, by the last run shown on the vid (Meeke) there is nothing at all.

Also close call by Breen and Latvala early in the vid.

to be honest the "chikane" at the second part of the video looks like a second class autoslalom event...not the world championship...as mknight already wrote, first a hayball, than the cone and than nothing....this is nonsense!

I am really happy that i was at Rally Poland...real racing no amateur chikanes :)

[jbmarcus21]

Marcus Yaris livery in Finland → http://bit.ly/2vLupHz

[racerx1979]

https://twitter.com/SebOgier/status/890489894971330561

Interestingly, Ogier says he asked for it to be cancelled

Probably had a friend bet big on onebet haha

[dimviii]

Hi everyone,
I promised you a bit more of an update before the start of Rally Finland, so here goes!
We started shakedown this morning not so confident after our test. As I said earlier in the week, conditions on that pre-event test were not so consistent, so it had been hard to play around with settings on the C3 WRC.
So this morning we started quite conservatively and then changed quite a lot of things on every run. It was like a proper test today, in fact, with consistent conditions. And yes, the C3 got better and better. It was nice to sneak in a fastest time at the end too, of course.
However, that doesn’t necessarily set the course for the rally. To explore the road here in Finland, especially stages that are new to me, or reversed from last year, you need complete commitment and confidence. It remains to be seen whether we have that feeling when we get into the first stage tomorrow morning.
Hopefully it’s there but I can’t guarantee it at the moment. We’ll just try to get through the street stage tonight, have a clean run and then we’ll see what the story is tomorrow morning.
Thanks as always for your support,
Kris

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23362-wrc-finland-2017-shakedown-jump-action-/

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23359-shakedown-wrc-rally-finland-2017-show-and-crash/

[dimviii]

nice one
https://youtu.be/q0iArDGcS8s

[dimviii]

Kris fastest at shake,but seems not a happy chappy at press conference.Definetely relations with Matton are not good.

[dimviii]

Rallyper‏*@Rallyper
Live from the Bar and Rally discussion table for Motorsportforums and Twitterfriends.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFvYq6iXkAAZ9C-.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/G5_EfTfXTxU

[Rally Power]

It’s only SD, but it’s great to see Citroen guys doing well. Best luck to them!

[Jewy46]

nice one
https://youtu.be/q0iArDGcS8s

Great video, this rally is going to be crazy fast! Love it

[dimviii]

Meeke onboard shake
https://youtu.be/2UGccrbsBls

[dimviii]

Michelin video
https://youtu.be/E93zTNZP168

[CoyoteVillagra]

Some Hyundai press photos


http://i.imgur.com/gwgLfVc.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/TMbzN8o.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/KIXIMj5.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/lmL0jB7.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/PackQNi.jpg

[mknight]

Meeke onboard shake
https://youtu.be/2UGccrbsBls

This is from the 1st pass.

[CoyoteVillagra]

http://i.imgur.com/RbTaZ4M.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good SD video's for comparing the cars over the jumps:

https://youtu.be/QW-bzleToS8

https://youtu.be/jcsPgXTFbFQ

The fastest guys cars are mostly the ones that jump level... the others land tail-first.

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/890499429953925120

Meeke says he has new parts on the car that he couldn't even test in advance. The newly homologated diff parts?
what an idiotic team :( Sorry for Meeke

[SubaruNorway]

No live broadcast at the service park this year right? I couldn't see any screens at least

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chicanes anger drivers:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130949/tupid-wrc-finland-chicanes-anger-drivers

[AnttiL]

Chicanes anger drivers:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130949/tupid-wrc-finland-chicanes-anger-drivers

Hänninen also said they're stupid (before hitting one), while Lappi said he doesn't like them but complaining doesn't help and it's the same for everyone.

[Gregor-y]

And the Clerk of the Course's observation: "They are driveable, but for sure fairly tight."

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9nlAW63-w0
Pre-Event press-conf and poor Meeke with such an idiotic atmosphere in a team. Sorry for him, but seems to be he in good mood with that "weather reporter" things at the end :D

[KKS]

Anyone have wrc+ live?
I have rounding circle and nothing after that (

[Eli]

Anyone have wrc+ live?
I have rounding circle and nothing after that (Experiencing the same problem

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone have wrc+ live?
I have rounding circle and nothing after that (

Same

[Negaiss]

Same

[Simmi]

Nice to see they have put a temporary wall on the exit of the coolest corner on Harju. Fun police out in force.

[raybak]

Same

[Revman]

Same.

[swanny]

Grrr... Same here.

[tc10a]

Same problem - amateurs...

[CoyoteVillagra]

SS1 live

http://sportslive4u.com/embedlive/bt-sport-2.php

[Simmi]

So am I right in thinking (sports) betting advertising is banned in Finland? OneBet has been crudely scrubbed off all the Fiestas - seemingly in a last-minute fashion.

[steve.mandzij]

So am I right in thinking (sports) betting advertising is banned in Finland? OneBet has been crudely scrubbed off all the Fiestas - seemingly in a last-minute fashion.I was just about to ask the same. On Mads' car it just says One

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[seb_sh]

horrible wrc+ not working :|

[over jump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8AGkz13_Q

Ruuhimäki Shakedown

[Negaiss]

Unforgiveble mistake for pay service!

[mknight]

Unforgiveble mistake for pay service!

Yep, watching a pirate stream of the service I am paying for....

[EightGear]

Not the bests of starts for Lappi and Suninen.

[Negaiss]

WRC + stream is OK NOW

[KKS]

Ogier starts - wrc+ up, Ogier finish - wrc+ down again . Powered by RedBull :D

[AnttiL]

Wrc+ stream worked for me

[EstWRC]

Wuhuuuu! Leading overnight! What a great atmosphere today at service park. Lots of people and a lot of more people on shakedown this year than last year!

We are at Urria and drinking baileys right now! Tomorrow the real rollercoaster starts!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Glad I dont bother with WRC+ anymore. Had a perfect HD stream on Mobdro.

[Oliverk]

WRC+ is free anyway for over a year already.

[Hasselhoax]

So, started the day with a visit to "Neuville's corner" in SD. Why have they ruined the corner with some bales and fence? Even Ogier thought fuck it and went on the inside. That corner is very tricky for some but I guess it would've been too fun so they had to bring out the fun police as stated some posts above.

Will visit Urria and Laukaa tomorrow so hoping for some nice action there.

[SubaruNorway]

WRC+ is free anyway for over a year already.

Only for 1 month once i think

[seb_sh]

Only for 1 month once i think

they keep putting out promo codes that you can enter and keep getting free months. Seems it wasn't worth getting a full year even if it was discounted :(

[TanaKa]

Good evening to the forum.
Good time Tanak and Breen, Meeke, you have to let go, this Neuville rally must win it if Tanak allows it ...

[Zeakiwi]

The drivers that drive over the yumps and have the front of the car lift a lot.
Are they not slowing enough before the jump?
Can they damage the front of the car by slamming it when landing?
Is there something not optimal with their suspension settings before takeoff? (Paddon said in the past the suspension settings are tuned for the most frequent type of corners and the many small jumps and not the big jumps.)

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/LDuEIp7.jpg

[CoyoteVillagra]

Video that shows the major problems with chicanes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6FYfruGqg

[dimviii]

good morning guys! Wish to have a nice rally,and the faster wins.


Michelin Motorsport‏
#Tyre info - Day 1 Morning loop: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5 #RallyFinland #WRC

[er88]

Here we go guys. Think we're going to have a classic here

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[rage82]

Good morning! Let's have an unforgettable rally .

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[er88]

It's just brilliant not being able to call who could win the rally. Seb, Tanak, Neuville, Jari, Meeke and Paddon could all win here

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[mknight]

It's just brilliant not being able to call who could win the rally. Seb, Tanak, Neuville, Jari, Meeke and Paddon could all win here

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My list is a bit different but still as long or longer.

[steve.mandzij]

https://i.imgur.com/LDuEIp7.jpgThanks for my new wallpaper!

Anyways, when is the first stage? It's getting late here in Argentina so should I stick around a bit longer?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFy2I94VoAAt77y.jpg

[er88]

Neuville a bit confused there.

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[mknight]

Friday morning is usually Neuville's weakest part of the rally. But certainly will dent his confidence a bit.

[CoyoteVillagra]

@RallyFinland

EK/SS URRIA: Katsojia tiellä, siirtykää VÄLITTÖMÄSTI katselualueille!

Spectators on road. Move IMMEDIATELY to spectator areas!

[KKS]

A perfect audio quality from rally radio! They change something?

[dimviii]

first 4 cars video
https://twitter.com/TaaviSevostjano/status/890791182791520256

[KKS]

messy splits :/

[dupanton]

Neuville is always a bit of a slow starter, but that time is not really normal... I missed the stage end interview, did he had a spin or problems with the car??

[mknight]

Neuville is always a bit of a slow starter, but that time is not really normal... I missed the stage end interview, did he had a spin or problems with the car??

no

[er88]

Meeke fastest. He needed that

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[KKS]

Lappi with safe approach

[abxyz]

Stage win for Sunninen!

[KKS]

Uhhhaaa! Yes! Teemu win a stage :D

[er88]

Superb from Teemu. What a time

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[mknight]

Looking at the split list there does seem to be some cleaning effect. But not more than some 0.2s/km.

In hindsight Lappi and Sunninen's pace is not so surprising.

Lappi does not have to prove his speed after Sardinia, so he should take it a bit safer (also considering retirement early in Poland). Suninen on the other hand still has things to prove as he only shined in the uneven conditions on Friday afternoon in Poland, rest was good but not epic.

EDIT: Neuville 10th after 2nd stage, not going to be happy.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFy9nKjWAAAHtu3.jpg

[dimviii]

nice hat Per

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFy_RGpXYAAULOm.jpg

[er88]

Seb with throttle issue and Neuville in trouble pace wise.

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[er88]

Neuville is totally lost

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[mknight]

Is Ogier starting to play mind-games.... he knows Neuville is down after first morning stage.. and he knows they will tell him what he said. Could be a real problem yes, but he was faster than Latvala from the split to the end.

[KKS]

Neuville didn't listen a rally radio while he driving :) what mind-games?

[mknight]

Neuville didn't listen a rally radio while he driving :) what mind-games?

Neuville comes to the end and gets time similar to Ogier... and gets told by Molly Pettit that Ogier has problems and is still about as fast as him.

[KKS]

Juho out of pace at SS3. Some up and down for him. +4.5 at 1st split

[KKS]

Same situation for Meeke as for Hanninen
1st sector +4.3 and +4.5
2nd sector +1.0 and +0.1

[er88]

Lappi now posting a brilliant time. Could be a Finnish fight upfront

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[mknight]

Well the main story so far has to be Neuville doing 2 12th times. Second last WRC just ahead of Sordo.

Hard to say if Sunninen and Lappi get some advantage from road position being 10 cars later than Latvala, we'll see on second pass.

[KKS]

1 2 3 - are Finnish at SS3

[dupanton]

What an awful pace from Neuville :( Worst thing is that he doesn't know why....

[er88]

Well the main story so far has to be Neuville doing 2 12th times. Second last WRC just ahead of Sordo.

Hard to say if Sunninen and Lappi get some advantage from road position being 10 cars later than Latvala, we'll see on second pass.There's probably a tiny bit of road cleaning in certain points of the stages in the morning. In the afternoon I reckon there will be a slight disadvantage running further back but could be wrong. Pretty miniscule either way though. I'm really impressed by the two young Finns.

Also if Ogier does have a problem and isn't bluffing, and Neuville continues so poorly, it'd be brilliant for the championship if Jari and Tanak get top 2.

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[steve.mandzij]

Latvala seems in control. Doesn't sound like he's pushing the limits from his comments and the gap to Tanak reduced to just .3 secs.

I want a win!

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[KKS]

:D - "Hanninen - keep away from it"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzG9Z4XgAITGjW.jpg

[KKS]

Ogier stops

[KKS]

and Tanak in trouble

[WRC1]

tanak loosing 25 :(

[Simmi]

Big stage developing. Ogier stopped. Tanak in difficulties?

[KKS]

Neuville pace know that Ogier will crash :)

[CoyoteVillagra]

Tanak right rear wheel damage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzOXrIXcAAQwa1.jpg

[KKS]

Ott with puncture
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzOXrIXcAAQwa1.jpg

[Miika]

Teemu for the win now.

[N.O.T]

The championship is on fire kids..... buckle up !!!!!!


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[dimviii]

Tanak rear puncture

[EightGear]

Paddon stopped too.

[dimviii]

Karlip *
Situation about Ogier: Car threw blue smoke on landing. Wheel off. #WRC

[steve.mandzij]

Teemu for the win now.Yeah, right. Latvala could cruise to his fourth win here.

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[dimviii]

se_rally‏*
@se_rally

@SebOgier send thank you if you have 4 tyres after this corner in Halinen SS5. This iron stood in the middle of the road.. @RallyFinland


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[dimviii]

WRC‏
Verified account
*@OfficialWRC 1m

SS4: Ogier - WRC TV crew reports wheel missing. Car in the trees. #WRC

[dimviii]

Ott with puncture
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzOXrIXcAAQwa1.jpg

from the looks its not just a puncture,seems there is wheel damage

[swanny]

Holy shit! That is a huge hunk of metal.

[mknight]

Champ update. Neuville needs 4th or better without counting any powerstage points to pass Ogier. Might actually not be that easy judging by his performance so far.

Latvala most likely winner for me atm.

[dimviii]

Karlip *
��
First corner for Tänak, slipped out with the rear, hit a rock, also damaged driveshaft. #WRC #RallyFinland

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport‏*@HMSGOfficial
UPDATE #Paddon: Rear right damage on car #4. The team will pick up the car and get it back to service. #WRC #RallyFinland

[dimviii]

Tanak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzQpswXgAEMhVi.jpg