Rally Sweden 2017

[satukata]

Just take the official spectator access road to Lovhaugen. There is parking space and lots of nice places, jumps, fast bends etc. in walking distance.

do you have any videos from Lovhaugen?

[Tauri_J]

If Mikkelsen had a 16 Polo in Sweden, how far off the leaders would he have been?
How much in sec/km is the aprox difference btw a 16 and 17 car on ice/snow?

we dont know yet

at least 1 sec/km for sure

[tc10a]

do you have any videos from Lovhaugen?

If you have wrc+ just watch onboard from 2016

[Luijbregts]

or youtube SS Løvhaugen, Løvhaugen SS, Finnskog Løvhaugen

[Rallyper]

New forecast for Torsby area says 17-18 cm snowfall coming weekend and minus degrees in the nights and just over zero daytime week after (rallyweek).

[Mirek]

at least 1 sec/km for sure

For sure not. That's too much.

[nafpaktos]

New forecast for Torsby area says 17-18 cm snowfall coming weekend and minus degrees in the nights and just over zero daytime week after (rallyweek).

I think its enough for a decent winter rally having in mind that the stages already have some snow.what do you think rallyper?

[Rallyper]

Not that big snowbanks from this snow in swedish part. But stabilize the surface and protect ice from melting if temperature raises over zero. So way better circumstances than last year regarding icy stages.
(However, I´m sitting 300K from the area.)

[markpcym]

New forecast for Torsby area says 17-18 cm snowfall coming weekend and minus degrees in the nights and just over zero daytime week after (rallyweek).

where was this forecast from?

[Rallyper]

where was this forecast from?

From Swedish www.smhi.se
However new forecast says a total of 13 cm Tuesday and Wednesday rallying week. No snowfall coming weekend.

[polomayu]

Thanks for your answers,
I have another question.

How much you have to pay to park in the access road/parkings prepared by organizers?

thank you!!

[maailmameister]

Last year was 5 eur most places.

[Tauri_J]

For sure not. That's too much.
no way is 1 s too much, I think it will be even greater as the season progresses

[satukata]

Do you know nice places to spectate Rally sweden? I know only colins crest

[danon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Exa4QzEtzeWMbpC/source.gif

[satukata]

weird picture!

[Myrvold]

From Swedish www.smhi.se
However new forecast says a total of 13 cm Tuesday and Wednesday rallying week. No snowfall coming weekend.

Norwegian sites are saying 8-13cm snow this weekend (also around Finnskogen) so, hopefully that means that there will be some snow at some point!

[satukata]

Do you know nice places to spectate Rally sweden

[Sulland]

For sure not. That's too much.

Less than 0,5 or 0,5-1,0 sec/km in your opinion?

[Mirek]

First of all it's very difficult to determine without head to head testing with the same driver. Of course in Sweden Ogier with 2017 can be easily faster by 1s/km or more than Lefebvre but that says nothing about both cars. 1 s/km is huge difference, roughly 5-6 minutes per event for the same driver, it may be possible on some particular rallies but I don't think Sweden is one of them.

Also don't forget what Ogier managed to do with the S2000 and now think if 2017 WRC can be faster than 2016 car by a margin a lot bigger than 2012 WRC over S2000 car. I don't think it can. First hint may be Breen's performance in Monte Carlo; 0,6 s/km against a reasonably faster driver but Monte Carlo is very specific case.

All in all I think that pulling random numbers out of the magician's hat is quite meaningless.

[dimviii]

i don't expect differences upto 1sec/km its huge.Maybe only at uphill stages.

[andrew grimes]

With the new aerodynamics and more power. I think 1 second per km faster is right. But you would need head to head to compare. Catalunya and Deutschland will tell a lot. As will Finland and Poland. But this is just my opinion

[Mirek]

Finland and Poland hardly. Just look at the difference between WRC and R5/S2000 there. Germany and Catalunya will show larger differences, I agree. From gravel rallies it is IMHO going to be Argentina and Mexico where the new cars will have the biggest advantage.

[M5]

Is Henning Solberg getting a car for sweden?Heard that it was not 100% yet.

[SubaruNorway]

Is Henning Solberg getting a car for sweden?Heard that it was not 100% yet.

Tried to rent Kubia's car but most likely R5 now.

[Andre Oliveira]

He can't change between categories. For me, he will use 2017 test car, the PX66 HVY

[EstWRC]

he can, he did it also last year

[dupanton]

You can ask to change the class, but FIA must agree with it.

[SubaruNorway]

Got the magazine today so here are the new stages, the rest looks the same apart from Vargåsen obviously, entry road through where the stage ran before after Colin's crest and the two first entry roads to Hagfors are not marked in green anymore, just after where Henning had a spin in 6th. The entry road in Röjden by the lake we talked about is not open this year either.

[SubaruNorway]

First one is Shakedown

[tc10a]

Got the magazine today so here are the new stages, the rest looks the same apart from Vargåsen obviously, entry road through where the stage ran before after Colin's crest and the two first entry roads to Hagfors are not marked in green anymore, just after where Henning had a spin in 6th. The entry road in Röjden by the lake we talked about is not open this year either.

Is it possible that you publish vargasen, röjden and svullrya, thanks a lot?

[SubaruNorway]

Is it possible that you publish vargasen, röjden and svullrya, thanks a lot?

I can, added Hagfors as well.
Remember that there are more detailed maps here.
http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/dokument/

[tc10a]

I can, added Hagfors as well.
Remember that there are more detailed maps here.
http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/dokument/

Thanks perfect.

[tc10a]

Sounds promising: "Väderprognosen en dröm för rallyt"

http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/2017/02/01/vaderprognosen-en-drom-for-rallyt

[tc10a]

First one is Shakedown

And maybe Torsby as well? :) Then we should have everything.

[SubaruNorway]

And maybe Torsby as well? :) Then we should have everything.

Here you go :)

[DocMS]

Thanks for the maps the rodjen stage location 2, is this not the access road that we where talking about? Or am I getting mixed up in locations?


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[Lead]

Big thanks for the maps!

[SubaruNorway]

Thanks for the maps the rodjen stage location 2, is this not the access road that we where talking about? Or am I getting mixed up in locations?


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I meant the road going by the lake down to the junction by "Moldusen" from area 1, you can walk across the lake but that makes it's 1km extra.

[DocMS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTq_ptyBRA#t=16.061323 where is this place? lots of action!


So location 2 access road bring me to this location in video?
Can't wait now. 1 week until we fly out. First rally Sweden


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[SubaruNorway]

So location 2 access road bring me to this location in video?
Can't wait now. 1 week until we fly out. First rally Sweden


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Correct

[satukata]

I can, added Hagfors as well.
Remember that there are more detailed maps here.
http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/dokument/

Is it possible that you publish vargasen, röjden and svullrya and torsby infopages too. nice to know where you have toilet and grill :)

[markpcym]

Sounds promising: "Väderprognosen en dröm för rallyt"

http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/2017/02/01/vaderprognosen-en-drom-for-rallyt

What is this ad actually saying,can't get it translated.

[Rallyper]

Maybe not much snow but below zero most of the time until and during rally.

[SubaruNorway]

Is it possible that you publish vargasen, röjden and svullrya and torsby infopages too. nice to know where you have toilet and grill :)

Done

[satnav]

Done

Thanks for all the info, planning non stop now .....

[Krigen]

What is this ad actually saying,can't get it translated.

It says the weather forecast looks wery wery good for the rally, maybe even for the superspecial in Karlstad. The rest of the stages in sweden(Wärmland) and Norway have good frosen ice on the gravel roads.

[Hartusvuori]

Is it possible that you publish vargasen, röjden and svullrya and torsby infopages too. nice to know where you have toilet and grill :)

I thought toilets and grills are everywhere in Rally Sweden. ��

[Rallyper]

I thought toilets and grills are everywhere in Rally Sweden. ��

In a way you´re right. The so called outdoor toiletts are everywhere. Just hold on to a small tree and let it out. And it´s free also. ;) ;)

[bearclaw]

thanks for posting the maps.

on “knon” it’s not allowed to enter the special stage from the stage start?

because the plan was to watch the first cars from the start or a few 100m from the start and than off to vargåsen stage. but i’m not sure if this is doable in time.

[polomayu]

Thank you so much subaru norway for the pictures of the magazine.

It will be very useful, I have more questions for everybody.

if a road (for example in varmullsasen in the spectator zone where henning spin with the fiesta) isn't a specattor access this year, what dos it means? that it will be closed or only that you don't have to pay but the way isn't cleared too?

Any of you will try to move from knon to vargasen in the same loop?

and for the last, subaru norway, i have read your avatar of motorsportfilmer, if you are the one who records the videos, my congratulations to you!!

i would ask for some places in the video of sweden last year.

are they running this year the stage of first video? 0.31 it's torsby before the specattor zone? 1.17 is run this year?1.52 is the beggining of varmullsasen? you got there by the start of the stage?

and a last question, in friday's last stage (torsby), do thwy go with extra lights?


thank you very much for everything!!!

[BleAivano]

In car from Kron. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=93&artikel=6621496
Note that the video speed have been increased by 4x.

[SubaruNorway]

thanks for posting the maps.

on “knon” it’s not allowed to enter the special stage from the stage start?

because the plan was to watch the first cars from the start or a few 100m from the start and than off to vargåsen stage. but i’m not sure if this is doable in time.

I guess you can walk into the stage if you can find some where to park off the main road, there are some dead end roads nearby you can use if you're lucky and they have been plowed

[satukata]

do you have map of finnskogen?

[tc10a]

do you have map of finnskogen?

Its the first picture here:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?36956-Rally-Sweden-2017&p=1124225&viewfull=1#post1124225

[satukata]

Its the first picture here:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?36956-Rally-Sweden-2017&p=1124225&viewfull=1#post1124225

thanks my bad

[SubaruNorway]

Thank you so much subaru norway for the pictures of the magazine.

It will be very useful, I have more questions for everybody.

if a road (for example in varmullsasen in the spectator zone where henning spin with the fiesta) isn't a specattor access this year, what dos it means? that it will be closed or only that you don't have to pay but the way isn't cleared too?

Any of you will try to move from knon to vargasen in the same loop?

and for the last, subaru norway, i have read your avatar of motorsportfilmer, if you are the one who records the videos, my congratulations to you!!

i would ask for some places in the video of sweden last year.

are they running this year the stage of first video? 0.31 it's torsby before the specattor zone? 1.17 is run this year?1.52 is the beggining of varmullsasen? you got there by the start of the stage?

and a last question, in friday's last stage (torsby), do thwy go with extra lights?


thank you very much for everything!!!

Hard to say about the road to Henning's corner, it's not very wide so maybe too many people got stuck and they closed it.
It's a shame they don't put proper symbols to mark what roads are closed.

Doing both Knon and Vargåsen is possible with a bit of luck, something like this but the road down to Vargåsen is not marked so don't trust me on this.
https://www.google.no/maps/dir/60.2452998,13.5615651/60.04131,13.3128328/@60.1386945,13.4055348,15374m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en

Motorsportfilmer.net that's me :)

0:31 is at Torsby 300m after zone 1.
1:17 was at Rämmen.
If you meant the clip with Latvala at 1:42 that's 2km from the big parking at the start of Värmullsåsen

It will be light pod dark at Torsby, it starts to be on the limit from 16:45 First cars didn't use it when it ran at 16:35 in 2015

[Micke_VOC]

Its snowing in the area :D

[satukata]

Its snowing in the area :D

Great! How much snow you have?

[Micke_VOC]

Great! How much snow you have?

I live around south 100 km from the closest stage and here just a couple of cm, but just 50 km north there around 10-20 cm of snow.

[satukata]

Great to hear. We want good winter conditions. So looking good now!

[DocMS]

Correct

The jumps at 1:01 on your video in motorsportfilmer.net? What stage is that?


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[SubaruNorway]

The jumps at 1:01 on your video in motorsportfilmer.net? What stage is that?


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That was Fredriksberg

[DocMS]

That was Fredriksberg

Pity... Video looks unreal. You definitely know the locations to pick going by that video.


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[satnav]

I'd just like to thank all those that have been giving us information either those local to the area supplying the current weather or SubaruNorway for the info from the Programme to help with planning , its all very much appreciated ... not long now

[EstWRC]

The Fiesta R5 of @AlexeyLukyanuk is almost ready for @RallySweden 2017! #WRC #RallySweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3tLp06XAAEems-.jpg

[markpcym]

just looking on the webcams at torsby airport and you can see that the teams are arriving.

[AL14]

just looking on the webcams at torsby airport and you can see that the teams are arriving.

This one made me laugh. Are you a professional stalker or detective? :D

[BleAivano]

just looking on the webcams at torsby airport and you can see that the teams are arriving.

link http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/wermlandsflyg/index.php

[markpcym]

This one made me laugh. Are you a professional stalker or detective? :D
trust me I've been looking at the webcams a lot and hoping the weather turns to how we need it, and by looking at peoples responses on here it looks promising!!...and no I ain't!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen on Red Bull duty here:

https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1QWQ1MA2W1W11/interview-andreas-mikkelsen?playlist=AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11:clip

[satukata]

Can you tell best places to watch rally sweden? and if you have videos thats perfect :)

[SubaruNorway]

Pity... Video looks unreal. You definitely know the locations to pick going by that video.


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Thank's, it was quite a bit better in the other direction though, watch my 2015 video to see it. I've gone there since 2008 and i always watch all stages on WRC+ and have driven the stages many times so you get to know them quite well after a while :)

[SubaruNorway]

Can you tell best places to watch rally sweden? and if you have videos thats perfect :)

It's hard to pick something, even struggling a bit myself and it depends on what you want to watch. If you don't have WRC+ i suggest you watch some onboards as they have GPS maps so you can see where the car is on the stage to find something close to entry roads.

Just avoid junctions and walk 1km to find some places without fences and marshalls and you will usually find something ok :)

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3xjNxPXUAAunRP.jpg

[Micke_VOC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3xjNxPXUAAunRP.jpg

That wheels really looks small on that car. =)

[SubaruNorway]

Do they use rims with bigger ET to make the track width narrower on snow?
If it was bad before it will be really bad this year with so much ice and deep ruts running after historics with 20-30cm narrower track width if the cars are really wide.

[SubaruNorway]

First pictures of Østberg's car
https://www.facebook.com/MadsOstbergRally/posts/1290640404336235

[Simmi]

Livery won't win any awards but well done to all involved for putting the deal together. Let's see now if Mads can get his mojo back.

[Tauri_J]

Do they use rims with bigger ET to make the track width narrower on snow?
If it was bad before it will be really bad this year with so much ice and deep ruts running after historics with 20-30cm narrower track width if the cars are really wide.

no way they would want to narrow cars track width

it would make cars slower...ruts are ruts, drivers have to deal with them

[N.O.T]

Livery won't win any awards but well done to all involved for putting the deal together. Let's see now if Mads can get his mojo back.

He never had any mojo to get back.

his only mojo was daddys money, when he was 20 it was called support, now that he is 30 its called family unemployment fund.

[Sulland]

GOSH Sorlandsreklame has again made a very nice livery, hopefully "Mads and the Mechanics" will get enough experience to understand the car before Sweden.
Good luck!

[SubaruNorway]

no way they would want to narrow cars track width

it would make cars slower...ruts are ruts, drivers have to deal with them

They used to do it back around 00'

You won't go faster when there has been 60 narrower cars on the road before the 2nd loop with one wheel in the rut and the other one on 10cm of ice powder.

[ruesluporp]

Eveything you need to know about the special stages here: http://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/

[JUF]

That wheels really looks small on that car. =) Looks terribly on this picture. It remains me of these china toys you can buy for less than 1€... :rolleyes:

[SubaruNorway]

Micke_VOC filming at Østberg's test
https://www.facebook.com/MLMphoto/videos/vb.822440466/10157928468240467/?type=3&theater

[SubaruNorway]

Video of Hof-Finnskog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTAmgWMmt4g&feature=share

[markpcym]

Video of Hof-Finnskog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTAmgWMmt4g&feature=share
This has been on YouTube a while now

[SubaruNorway]

This has been on YouTube a while now

Good for you that you knew, why didn't you post it here then?

[Eli]

are they still using gravel tires with studs or have they gone back to using the snow tires like they used to back in the 2.0L cars?

[SubaruNorway]

are they still using gravel tires with studs or have they gone back to using the snow tires like they used to back in the 2.0L cars?

They are not gravel tires, but they are wider so they fit on normal gravel rims.

[markpcym]

Good for you that you knew, why didn't you post it here then?

Because I forgot, is that ok with you.!?

[dimviii]

how fast do you expect Lukyanuk ?

[stefanvv]

how fast do you expect Lukyanuk ?

If he is not asleep like a bear in the winter, 1 sec/km behind Ogier. Pitty he won't be in one of those 2017 wrc cars anyway.

[eib1]

how fast do you expect Lukyanuk ?

fastest until goes off (hope he won´t and wins wrc2)

[satukata]

how fast do you expect Lukyanuk ?

no change to fight with tideman and suninen. Maybe 3. in wrc2 is possible if everythig go well. i hope good luck for lukyanuk!

[Andre Oliveira]

Fast enought, Rally gods and snow banks will let him finish

[polomayu]

Anyone knows the start order from all the cars? At less for the first day
Thanks

[Micke_VOC]

Henning finally got his hands of a car for Rally Sweden, to be continued what car =)

[USER47]

Another video of Ostberg testing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAg6uB1ddU

[NickRally]

Guys,
This might be more appropriate for the technical thread, but I think if I ask the question there it might get missed, so here we are - any chance from anybody attending the rally for few snapshots of the 2017 WRC cars diffusers from underneath, i.e. the transition area from the flat floor into the expansion volume? I assume this should be fairly easily done (so he said) with the cars on stands or when being unloaded from the transporters.
Many thanks,
Nick

[tommeke_B]

Fast enought, Rally gods and snow banks will let him finish

Snow banks? Where?

[skarderud]

Henning Solberg in skoda Fabia R5 i sweden.

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[WUff1]

Henning Solberg in skoda Fabia R5 i sweden.

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Better than no start.

[SubaruNorway]

Snow banks? Where?

Some small ones in Svullrya

[skarderud]

Some small ones in Svullrya
If you base your driving to lean on so weak and soft walls, you won't finish the first stage:)

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[EstWRC]

Vargasen https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/828249006585286656

[Rallyper]

Vargasen https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/828249006585286656

That´s made from snowmachines.

[KKS]

Henning Solberg in skoda Fabia R5 i sweden.

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They planned with Fiesta`16?

[KKS]

Vargåsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C36__ifXUAAaJTx.jpg

[Myrvold]

Henning Solberg in skoda Fabia R5 i sweden.

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That's not very logic really.

[Myrvold]

Have people here decided where they are going to stand on the stages?

I'll be filming together with a guy from GalskapMotorsport, and we'll be on Svullrya and Knon, and we know where we'll be on Svullrya but a bit unsure on Knon.

[BleAivano]

Have people here decided where they are going to stand on the stages?

I'll be filming together with a guy from GalskapMotorsport, and we'll be on Svullrya and Knon, and we know where we'll be on Svullrya but a bit unsure on Knon.

I won't be doing any standing but allot of sitting. Unfortunately not at the rally stages but at my desk focusing
on studying for my course examination in medical terminology which is next Wednesday.

[satukata]

Have people here decided where they are going to stand on the stages?

I'll be filming together with a guy from GalskapMotorsport, and we'll be on Svullrya and Knon, and we know where we'll be on Svullrya but a bit unsure on Knon.

Where you will be on Svullrya? I´m going there too, but don´t know where yet...

[Micke_VOC]

I was driving the Shakedown-stage today. At least 5-10 cm fresh snow and i will promise that the stage are very very spectacular in the beginning.

1217

See incar-movie here from Shakedown, me driving with my Volvo in a local event two years ago.
Start of stage are now around 30 s in and a little bit shorter in the end to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpyqnumXF2k

[tommeke_B]

Guys,
This might be more appropriate for the technical thread, but I think if I ask the question there it might get missed, so here we are - any chance from anybody attending the rally for few snapshots of the 2017 WRC cars diffusers from underneath, i.e. the transition area from the flat floor into the expansion volume? I assume this should be fairly easily done (so he said) with the cars on stands or when being unloaded from the transporters.
Many thanks,
Nick

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16427604_10154761012190733_2403453277864082690_n.j pg?oh=2fb95bdef66634f623a8d7a77a7701ac&oe=59059E1F

Well, it's something...

[garais22]

Henning Solberg in skoda Fabia R5 i sweden.

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Which team Fabia R5 he will use?

[DocMS]

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16427604_10154761012190733_2403453277864082690_n.j pg?oh=2fb95bdef66634f623a8d7a77a7701ac&oe=59059E1F

Well, it's something...

Who and when was this photo?


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[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke today

[DocMS]

Meeke today

The man is no doubt a very talented driver but he is only putting pressure on himself with these off's. And the more pressure he is under the more we will see of this.


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[nafpaktos]

Bluuford?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The man is no doubt a very talented driver but he is only putting pressure on himself with these off's. And the more pressure he is under the more we will see of this.


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People are too quick to make judgment. It was a slow roll and no injuries and the car isnt wrecked.

Some making judgment on Meeke's 2017 season after one rally was bad enough, but after a test incident is ridiculous.

[Simmi]

Agree that it's early days this season. Stuff like this happens in testing. Looks at Ogier last month. I just wish that Meeke wouldn't keep furthering his own stereotype by keeping doing this stuff.

[bassist]

Agree that it's early days this season. Stuff like this happens in testing. Looks at Ogier last month. I just wish that Meeke wouldn't keep furthering his own stereotype by keeping doing this stuff.

Agree- I just keep thinking he`s gonna bin it! He really needs to start delivering.

[bluuford]

Bluuford?

All good! :)
Mostly winter wonderland. Less snow in Karlstad, but enough cold to make ice etc.
Other places have plenty of snow.

No more snow expected before rally, maybe some on Friday afternoon on Swedish side.
Temperature a bit too cold on Wed and Thu, nights (as low as -15.. 20 in some places) but getting -5.. -10 on Firday and 0..-5 on Saturday and almost the same on Sunday. Maybe some + degrees during PS if sun comes out.

[DocMS]

People are too quick to make judgment. It was a slow roll and no injuries and the car isnt wrecked.

Some making judgment on Meeke's 2017 season after one rally was bad enough, but after a test incident is ridiculous.

Who's judging? And it's not judgement after 1 rally. He is prone to this sort of thing since beginning. I am certainly a big fan of meeke and had lost all interest in the wrc until he got a drive in the wrc and would love for him to win the championship. He is always on the limit and is spectacular to watch. I simply stated that if this keeps happening he is putting himself under more pressure to get results.


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[Sulland]

Which team Fabia R5 he will use?

Could it be a PrintSport for Henning, or are they both taken?

[bassist]

Who's judging? And it's not judgement after 1 rally. He is prone to this sort of thing since beginning. I am certainly a big fan of meeke and had lost all interest in the wrc until he got a drive in the wrc and would love for him to win the championship. He is always on the limit and is spectacular to watch. I simply stated that if this keeps happening he is putting himself under more pressure to get results.


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No judgements here- he has form, spectacular when he's on it, but I still think he overstretches, which makes him vulnerable. Finland 2016 was brilliant, but its about consistency, and I am a massive fan, but really want him to get over this McCrash phase!

[dupanton]

People are too quick to make judgment. It was a slow roll and no injuries and the car isnt wrecked.

Some making judgment on Meeke's 2017 season after one rally was bad enough, but after a test incident is ridiculous.

Corsica 16: Puncture on day 1 (could be not his fault), went off on dag 2
Catalunya 16: Rolled on SS2, puncture on SS9 (don't know if his fault), 6 gear spin on SS12
RAC 16: slow punctures on SS9 and SS10 (again, not sure if his fault)
Monte 17: went off on SS4
Sweden 17: off on PET

It's not just now. He is having a lot a problems with his driving since Finland... I hope he gets out soon (as Neuville did during last season)!

[bigattack]

Maybe a bit off topic. I have 5 full weekend passes at hand 600sek each which can be yours for half price. I will be in Karlstad friday/saturday evening. If interested, just drop me a reply.

[AL14]

Corsica 16: Puncture on day 1 (could be not his fault), went off on dag 2
Catalunya 16: Rolled on SS2, puncture on SS9 (don't know if his fault), 6 gear spin on SS12
RAC 16: slow punctures on SS9 and SS10 (again, not sure if his fault)
Monte 17: went off on SS4
Sweden 17: off on PET

It's not just now. He is having a lot a problems with his driving since Finland... I hope he gets out soon (as Neuville did during last season)!

Guys Meeke is Meeke, he is almost 40, he has always driven like that. I would not expect him to "get out" of it.
Anyway I enjoy his driving, he is very fast and I like how he fights. I'm sure he will win rallies but I think he will never be close to be a consistent driver.

[NickRally]

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16427604_10154761012190733_2403453277864082690_n.j pg?oh=2fb95bdef66634f623a8d7a77a7701ac&oe=59059E1F

Well, it's something...

Thanks tommeke_B,
Of course would have preferred different circumstances, but thanks nevertheless.
Regards,
Nick

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I bet all kinds of incidents happened in testing years ago but then everyone didnt watch them or have a phone camera at the ready..

[N.O.T]

I bet all kinds of incidents happened in testing years ago but then everyone didnt watch them or have a phone camera at the ready..

how long did you spend to come into that conclusion ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Less than it took you to come up with your usual pathetic comment.

[danon]

new cars - new limits... part of the game

this guy ended up as a winner after a test off

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vToLaiun7ZU/maxresdefault.jpg

[garais22]

Could it be a PrintSport for Henning, or are they both taken?

It will be the car from SRT team (Sirmacis, Gryazin)
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/wrc/6558-wrc-zvaigzne-hennings-solbergs-zviedrijas-wrc-brauks-ar-srt-komandas-fabia-r5-/

[Sulland]

Weather look fine just now
http://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/Värmland/Hagfors/long.html?spr=eng

Nice and mild, but still below 0 during the rally.
Moving above 0 in the beginning of the week after. :p

[dimviii]

ŠKODA Motorsport ‏@MotorsportSkoda
Want to see the new livery for our @skodafabiar5's for 2017? Here you are! :-) @PontusTidemand will drive it at @RallySweden this week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3_JySdWMAAtaiu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3_JyScWMAAboEO.jpg

[Mirek]

From front
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ecce0cd381ea5908fddd331ae6bc695f.jpg

[jparker]

Nice looking cars are slow, just for advertising. Ugly once are the one to be afraid off.

[Mirek]

Nice looking cars are slow, just for advertising. Ugly once are the one to be afraid off.

Quoted for silliness

[jparker]

Quoted for silliness

Sorry Mirek, nothing personal, but all I can remember in this forum about Skoda are discussions about its livery. It's getting boring.

[mknight]

Guys Meeke is Meeke, he is almost 40, he has always driven like that. I would not expect him to "get out" of it.
Anyway I enjoy his driving, he is very fast and I like how he fights. I'm sure he will win rallies but I think he will never be close to be a consistent driver.

Exactly my feelings. Nothing against him, but I don't see how he suddenly gets consistent to win WDC or get stable teampoints.

Which is why i just don't understand Matton's December interview where he was only (slightly) interested in getting Ogier and totally uninterested in Latvala or Mikkelsen.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3_oDDTWIAEDkvF.jpg

[N.O.T]

bet your houses on Ott plebs.

[dimviii]

Brynildsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3_lwSEWcAAXrZ7.jpg

[satukata]

Maybe a bit off topic. I have 5 full weekend passes at hand 600sek each which can be yours for half price. I will be in Karlstad friday/saturday evening. If interested, just drop me a reply.

we need 4 passes. But we need passes on thursday before Superspecial. We drive from oslo to karlstad. is it possible to meet you on thursday?

[satukata]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3_oDDTWIAEDkvF.jpg

ott tanak is my bet!

[KKS]

Latvala and Tanak - underestimated

[nafpaktos]

If anyone has the rally magazine with the accesses of the stages is it possible to scan these pages and send me?

thanks in advance

up

[SubaruNorway]

up
Posted in this thread a few days ago

[satukata]

up

you can get same info by clicking stagenames
http://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/

for example
http://rallysweden.com/en/stage/ss-25-rojden/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Working for our driver @MadsOstberg !! ;)
@OfficialWRC @RallySweden @TeamAdapta #wrc2017 #rally #rallysweden :D https://t.co/mcStSeFEsI

[A FONDO]

I don't get the Tanak hype here. Ostberg is a good bet at 8.00 though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don't get the Tanak hype here. Ostberg is a good bet at 8.00 though.

The way Tanak handled the snow at the end of Monte I think he's a good shout.

Mads has a good record here but he has a lot of competition this year and little testing.

[satukata]

The way Tanak handled the snow at the end of Monte I think he's a good shout.

Mads has a good record here but he has a lot of competition this year and little testing.

I don´t see Mads change of winning here. Ogier and Tanak have same car and they are faster no doubt

[danon]

Sorry Mirek, nothing personal, but all I can remember in this forum about Skoda are discussions about its livery. It's getting boring.

https://s3.scoopwhoop.com/osi/jok/10.gif

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon

We are back and big motivation to perform this week in memory of the spectator. The support has been overwhelming - thank you! @RallySweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ARXtLWIAMKnoK.jpg

[Simmi]

Interested to see whether we see any more engine issues out of M-Sport. Looked like they maybe had a bit of a recurring issue from testing, and then Tanak's car on the Monte.

[satukata]

https://www.onebet.com/en/betting/sports#sportids=&catids=&champids=959771

what is your bet? fastest in ss1?

My bet is ogier

[satukata]

https://www.onebet.com/en/betting/sports#sportids=&catids=&champids=959778

Longest Jump in Colin´s Crest

My bet is neuville. What is yours?

[N.O.T]

lets not bring degenerate gambling into rallying.

[danon]

Quoted for silliness

"Meum est propositum in taberna mori."
- Mirek

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon seeks normality in Sweden:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/89135439/hayden-paddon-seeks-normality-as-he-returns-from-monaco-tragedy-to-contest-rally-of-sweden

[Myrvold]

Where you will be on Svullrya? I´m going there too, but don´t know where yet...

Around 4.2 km from the finish, there is a slight downhill going in to a 90 left over tight bridge, then 90 right. That's a nice spot :)

[satnav]

Around 4.2 km from the finish, there is a slight downhill going in to a 90 left over tight bridge, then 90 right. That's a nice spot :)

That sounds real good , count me in there too please...

[WRC USA]

Hello All, Thanks for sharing info. Very excited and looking forward to see Rally Sweden. This will be my 1st at Rally Sweden, coming from US. Landing in Oslo at 11:00 am Thursday, it seems that most of the car rentals are sold out:eek:, glad made a reservation in advance with Hertz. Quick question, are there a toll roads in Norway (Route 16) going towards Torsby?

[Myrvold]

Hello All, Thanks for sharing info. Very excited and looking forward to see Rally Sweden. This will be my 1st at Rally Sweden, coming from US. Landing in Oslo at 11:00 am Thursday, it seems that most of the car rentals are sold out:eek:, glad made a reservation in advance with Hertz. Quick question, are there a toll roads in Norway (Route 16) going towards Torsby?

Yup. You'll pass three in Norway if you are going straight from OSL to Sweden, going on E16, none in Sweden as far as I know.
You can skip one by driving some more local roads, but as the toll you are skipping would be 2.40USD, I don't think it would be beneficial :)

If you for some reason are going in to Oslo before heading out, you'll pass a number of them.

[Myrvold]

That sounds real good , count me in there too please...

It's also fairly good both ways from that tiny bridge, the road they are heading down, into the bridge is narrow, but it's not really many good spots on that bit, after the bridge it's faster roads. We use it as a base, and then, depending on amount of people, amount of cameras we bring etc, decide if we'll head some metres to any direction :)

[EstWRC]

man how i laughed at this when i saw it, LOL.....

And the award for the coolest and the most unlikely recce car goes to.... HENNING! @RallySweden @MercedesBenz @HenningSolberg #WRC



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4C_pMhWIAA7kix.jpg



https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/828873325816320000

[EstWRC]

SVT went to Tänak's test, little interview with him and footage from test http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jamtland/ott-testar-greppet-i-kall

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans comments to BBC

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/38886429?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_wales_sport&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=wales

[dodge33cymru]

Hello All, Thanks for sharing info. Very excited and looking forward to see Rally Sweden. This will be my 1st at Rally Sweden, coming from US. Landing in Oslo at 11:00 am Thursday, it seems that most of the car rentals are sold out:eek:, glad made a reservation in advance with Hertz. Quick question, are there a toll roads in Norway (Route 16) going towards Torsby?
A few, but you don't need to worry about it, just Hertz will take a few dollars from you when you return. Are you flying to Gardermoen?

[Sulland]

man how i laughed at this when i saw it, LOL.....

And the award for the coolest and the most unlikely recce car goes to.... HENNING! @RallySweden @MercedesBenz @HenningSolberg #WRC



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4C_pMhWIAA7kix.jpg



https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/828873325816320000

I guess Hennings Fabia will have the same amount of Henning stickers as this one!
Or livery will be completely crazy!

[WRC USA]

Yup. You'll pass three in Norway if you are going straight from OSL to Sweden, going on E16, none in Sweden as far as I know.
You can skip one by driving some more local roads, but as the toll you are skipping would be 2.40USD, I don't think it would be beneficial :)

If you for some reason are going in to Oslo before heading out, you'll pass a number of them.

Thanks, good to know. I hope Hertz rental car will have a remote transponder, so need to pull out cash at the toll booth.

[bluuford]

I guess Hennings Fabia will have the same amount of Henning stickers as this one!
Or livery will be completely crazy!
Good car, higer view, obstacles more visible :)

[ruesluporp]

Thanks, good to know. I hope Hertz rental car will have a remote transponder, so need to pull out cash at the toll booth.

No cash! The automated toll stations are all equipped with a camera that reads the vehicle number plates. Norwegian-registered vehicles will be invoiced by the toll road operators.

[dimviii]

Eyvind Brynildsen ‏@E_Brynildsen
No words! SS 2/5 Röjden 1 km from the finish! #rallysweden #inittowinit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4EWUBgWAAIUETm.jpg

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

What recce car Latvala or Hänninen uses?

[Gregor-y]

Hello All, Thanks for sharing info. Very excited and looking forward to see Rally Sweden. This will be my 1st at Rally Sweden, coming from US. Landing in Oslo at 11:00 am Thursday, it seems that most of the car rentals are sold out:eek:, glad made a reservation in advance with Hertz. Quick question, are there a toll roads in Norway (Route 16) going towards Torsby?

I rented using Hertz at Gardemoen two years ago and the car came with a transponder so tolls were automatic all over the country. I only had to pay money for the Atlantic Road and ferry crossings.

[Vahula]

What recce car Latvala or Hänninen uses?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4E7tUjWMAAmCwe.jpg

Subarus with Estonian plates

[dimviii]

Julian Porter photo,sunset at Sweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4FXdraWQAA9AMj.jpg

[satnav]

That's me all packed , head to airport in the morning next stop awesome winter stages ............

[BleAivano]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/829041224598351874


WRC TV Recce days @RallySweden (https://twitter.com/RallySweden) - Really nice stages, good snow & ice on the roads, fast & flowing, it's going to be good. #WRC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WRC?src=hash)

[Myrvold]

Thanks, good to know. I hope Hertz rental car will have a remote transponder, so need to pull out cash at the toll booth.

As ruesluporp said, there are no cash tolls in Norway, it's all automagic :) Though a remote transponder makes it cheaper, so I would expect Hertz to have that as well :)
What stages are you heading to?

[Myrvold]

Close to the finish of the Svullrya stage today. Not too much snow, but nice ice on the road.
http://i.imgur.com/wYKcbRe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5PZZ5Yc.jpg

source: https://twitter.com/RallyingUK - however, twitter images never show for me on forums for some reason.

[danon]

Julian Porter photo,sunset at Sweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4FXdraWQAA9AMj.jpg

nice... but I am a connoisseur of beach sunsets...

https://s5.postimg.org/ialejduyv/girl_beach_sunset_2.jpg

[Sulland]

Did Henning do PET in the Skoda?
If not, will he drive it before shakedown?

[danon]

It's icy, cold, wind, snow.. rough - it's Rally Sweden time! Lets switch the mode from Alpes to Sweden, where we will most likely have eventful days ahead of us! Join us at Torsby Service Park and the fast and furious snow stages 9.-12.2.2017! #YarisWRC #TOYOTAGAZOORacing #Rally #Toyota #RallySweden - Play >https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/videos/317891055279753/

https://s5.postimg.org/prulylkhz/image.jpg

https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16487903_10155326908994415_1933589559791864889_o.j pg?oh=c4b3d3e36ead4b9930453a478a438a19&oe=590A38D5

- https://hencca.galleria.fi/kuvat/Urheilu/Rallitestej%C3%A4+2017/Esapekka+Lappi+03.02./

[Slipzen]

Did Henning do PET in the Skoda?
If not, will he drive it before shakedown?

No PET acc to article,
http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/2017/02/06/henning-moter-pontus-i-svenska

"– Jag sätter mig i på shakedown så kör vi." :)

[Slipzen]

That´s made from snowmachines.

Yes. Isn't it fantastic what efforts the organizers make in order for spectators and competitors to get the best possible conditions. It is simply great :)

[Ctesibios]

Are there snow banks in any of the stages? It is going to be very tricky if there aren't any!

[Myrvold]

Are there snow banks in any of the stages? It is going to be very tricky if there aren't any!

On some stages, yes !

[EstWRC]

There haven't been snow banks last two years so I don't think it's going to be so tricky

[Lundefaret]

Did Henning do PET in the Skoda?
If not, will he drive it before shakedown?

Knowing Henning, probably not.
We had a Fiesta ST Grp N some years back, and to do a story for the car magazine I worked for we let Henning borrow it in a round of the Norwegian Championship. He had never rallied a front wheel drive car before.
Only "test" he got was the 500 meters of driving from the trailer to the start ramp, and a bit of familiarisation on the transport to the first stage.
SInce it was very good competition in that class at the time people wondered how he was going to place in the class, first time in the car, never been in a FWD rally car, etc etc.
Well, he won the first stage, and continoued from there.
He won the longest stage with about 30 seconds. (This was a winter rally.)
On a long downhill stretch he went "balls out", and was equally as fast as Martin Stenshorne in a Mitsubishi EVO 9 Grp N (was the fastest Grp N driver in Norway at that time.)

Had Henning used as much time in prep (pace notes, video etc) as the young guys do, I really wonder how he had placed in WRC events :) Having seen his driving in his EVO 6,5 WRC, wow, he is just crazy!

[liposh]

11th january 2017 12:32 Just to show you I am not worse than bluuford: This year the temperature will be low and the conditions will be great for winter rally. Everything depends on precipitation, but I expect few centimeters of snowfall to keep on the ground because of low temperature, so it should be OK. I don´t expect decimeters of snow, but some snow should be there.

11th January 14:32 : I am afraid there won´t be any proper huge snow walls, but maybe on some of the stages there could be enough snow for snow walls here and there.

And the answer to question in your heads is: "No , it is not just good luck or coincidence, I am really that good in weather forecast."

[ELPE]

Are there snow banks in any of the stages? It is going to be very tricky if there aren't any!

Why?

The idea is that the driver will drive on the road and there are now snowbanks to lean against on other rallys either

[A FONDO]

And the answer to question in your heads is: "No , it is not just good luck or coincidence, I am really that good in weather forecast."

Great job. You are welcome to give your forecasts more often. It's not about competition, but usefulness.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No snowbanks mean running wide can be terminal, stuck in a ditch...

[Ctesibios]

No snowbanks mean running wide can be terminal, stuck in a ditch...
In Canada, we have an expression for these conditions : Winter roads with summer ditches!

[Ctesibios]

Why?

The idea is that the driver will drive on the road and there are now snowbanks to lean against on other rallys either
Why... Because I like it when drivers are more aggressive and rely on the snow banks to keep the car on the road. It makes it different to other rallies, thus the different driving techniques.

[liposh]

Great job. You are welcome to give your forecasts more often. It's not about competition, but usefulness.

It is reply to all those people who say: "You are good, Liposh, but just wait for Bluuford, he is the only one who can give us proper forecast". :D (and that happens quite often, you can find it here few pages back) I am not competing with Bluuford, he is the right guy and I adore him, but sometimes he may be out of civilization for a while. So here I am. ;)

[Krigen]

No snowbanks mean running wide can be terminal, stuck in a ditch...

Not sure if it so much better getting sucked into a snowbank and stuck ther. Some years back early 2000s i believe it was in the days of colin, burns, Tommi etc, it was a year with no snow banks and the drivers said they really liked it, because of the possibillity too cut and take shorter lines. Fun too watch as well

[Fast Eddie WRC]

True enough, hitting snowbanks can cause problems if you dont do it right. But for the experts they allow pushing to the limit with the snowbank to nudge back into line.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon: Some spectacular conditions out on the stages.. I would describe the new Knon stage 'balls out fast' - and is a favourite. #heavyrightfoot https://t.co/awDt07f7vF

[EstWRC]

Great to see that drivers are praising the conditons and many of them saying it will be a very fast rally.


@JariMattiWRC likes the new #knonstage, too. "It's fast, but beautiful"

@thierryneuville likes the new #knonstage. "It's fast. Nearly too fast"


Ott Tänak
‏@OttTanak
Recce finished! Beautiful conditions�� We will have a fast rally with some mega fast stages �� It starts soon, very soon �� @RallySweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4J1lowW8AECvC6.jpg

https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/829354594539073538

[jparker]

From what I have read, Sweden is the fastest average speed rally in the calendar, mostly because of the snowbanks.

[seb_sh]

From what I have read, Sweden is the fastest average speed rally in the calendar, mostly because of the snowbanks.

Dunno where you read that but it's wrong. Sweden is one of the fastest when conditions are ideal because snow tires with studs give excellent grip on frozen ground. Leaning on snowbanks is not faster than clean runs, also it can be dangerous because snowbanks can pull you in. The advantage is sometimes drivers can risk more and get away with it.

[jparker]

Dunno where you read that but it's wrong. Sweden is one of the fastest when conditions are ideal because snow tires with studs give excellent grip on frozen ground. Leaning on snowbanks is not faster than clean runs, also it can be dangerous because snowbanks can pull you in. The advantage is sometimes drivers can risk more and get away with it.

The explanation was, the snowbanks make drivers feel more safe, hence pushing the car to the limit.

[Sulland]

Will henning use Michelins as planned with WRC, or has he swapped to Pirelli ?

[EstWRC]

Only tyre suppliers this season are dmack and Michelin

[N.O.T]

From what I have read, Sweden is the fastest average speed rally in the calendar, mostly because of the snowbanks.

can you please go back where you came from ? or at least apply a filter to your brain before posting.

http://www.juwra.com/stats_event_average_speeds.html

[DocMS]

Anyone a list of locations that I can get a programme around Karlstad tomorrow? Flying out in morning and my programme I ordered 5weeks ago still never arrived.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bigattack]

Normally at any OKQ8 petrol station. Not sure at the stages but surely at the arenas. More info on the official rally sweden website. Have fun!

[Sulland]

Only tyre suppliers this season are dmack and Michelin

Even for drivers that are not registred for WRC2, and drives only in RC2?

[EstWRC]

ok dunno about that

[Rallyper]

can you please go back where you came from ? or at least apply a filter to your brain before posting.

http://www.juwra.com/stats_event_average_speeds.html

Lean on statistics. I think you said one can´t.
Sweden is surely among the fastest rallies in WRC. You have to count some ridiculous MM stages which I believe is downside for RS.

[Micke_VOC]

Anyone a list of locations that I can get a programme around Karlstad tomorrow? Flying out in morning and my programme I ordered 5weeks ago still never arrived.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Normally at any OKQ8 petrol station. Not sure at the stages but surely at the arenas. More info on the official rally sweden website. Have fun!

This year the program are sold in Coop-stores.
List here:
http://rallysweden.com/en/information/retailers/

[BigWorm]

Paddon: Some spectacular conditions out on the stages.. I would describe the new Knon stage 'balls out fast' - and is a favourite. #heavyrightfoot https://t.co/awDt07f7vF

He seems to be in a better mood now, Paddon. At least on social media. Nice to see, wish him well for the rally.

[Micke_VOC]

So, 9 hours to i park my car and walk out on shakedown.
See you there !

(I have black winterclothes and turquoise Pontus Tidemand hat)

[dimviii]

He seems to be in a better mood now, Paddon. At least on social media. Nice to see, wish him well for the rally.

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_les-co-pilotes-chez-hyundai-entartes-avant-le-rallye-de-suede?id=9525158

[danon]

Recces - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtj_GphqoQY&t=28s

[denkimi]

From what I have read, Sweden is the fastest average speed rally in the calendar, mostly because of the snowbanks.

finland and poland are faster by quite a margin.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

finland and poland are faster by quite a margin.

True, but many driver's say Sweden is their favourite due to the combination of speed and the amazing grip from the studded snow tyres... plus sometimes the help of the snowbanks.

[spiderem]

is mikkelsen only doing the recce?

[Revman]

Any live timing of the shakedown?

[KKS]

Any live timing of the shakedown?
should be here
https://ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=35751

[rage82]

is mikkelsen only doing the recce?

Yes and is a guest commentator for Redbull Tv on Saturday.

[Rallyper]

First loop won´t tell anything.

[KKS]

Maybe any local sweden radio cover shake end?

[wwbroe]

Most of them are just saving their tyres, just cruising trough.

[EstWRC]

ridiculous this tyre saving this year at shakedowns

[KKS]

Most of them are just saving their tyres, just cruising trough.
They don't need them here

62.1

- The maximum quantity of tyres allowed on each rally will be calculated as follows: "X" number ofchanges multiplied by 4 tyres. In addition, 4 tyres will be added for competitors taking part in theShakedown, 4 tyres for WRC cars and 2 for the other cars are added in the overall quantity.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4NPQ3zWIAAOG1K.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4NPHaqWEAAUmKF.jpg
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[EstWRC]

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[dupanton]

They don't need them here

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If they do shakedown, they get 4 extra tyres for the whole weekend.
They should take 4 tyres back after shakedown...

[WRC1]

ogier is definitly in cruising mode....slowest so far on his second run

sad for the spectators out there :(

[EstWRC]

got just info that Tänak isnt doing more fast runs because tyre saving and third time he will be driving with a journalist.


what a joke

[KKS]

They need 24 tyres for rally. If they punctured tyre every section - they need +6. So 30 tyres of 32 allowed. And after puncture it has no difference have fresh or used tyre.

[BicioWrc]

really sad for spectators...seems their made just 1 run pushing and not also all drivers:(
in last years shakedown was beautiful to see also better then stages

[Rallyper]

They FIA or whatever) haven´t thought of the consequences of that rule. Gives only a way to gain more tyres for the rally, which I presume wasn´t the intention. And as a bonus SD being a joke. Glad I´m not there waisting time.

[WRC1]

They need 24 tyres for rally. If they punctured tyre every section - they need +6. So 30 tyres of 32 allowed. And after puncture it has no difference have fresh or used tyre.

if gravel comes trough the ice somebody may have 2 punctures in one section, it is enough to loose a lot of spikes because of the gravel to make a tire "bad"....thats why they (the smart ones) save theire tires

[EstWRC]

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[KKS]

if gravel comes trough the ice somebody may have 2 punctures in one section, it is enough to loose a lot of spikes because of the gravel to make a tire "bad"....thats why they (the smart ones) save theire tires
So everyone (smart ones) go to stages with two spares?

[Sulland]

So lesson identified is that drivers need an extra "free" set of tyres for shakedown.

[WRC1]

So everyone (smart ones) go to stages with two spares?

if the gravel comes trough...yes, why not?

please give us your reason for the shakedown times of ogier and hänninen if it is not tire saving..?

[KKS]

if the gravel comes trough...yes, why not?

please give us your reason for the shakedown times of ogier and hänninen if it is not tire saving..?
I no doubt it's a tyre saving rides. But we have same at Monte, Citroens save it too but they didn't get any advantage because of this.
Here same situation and I think with same result. Some fresh tyres still remain after rally

[WRC1]

I no doubt it's a tyre saving rides. But we have same at Monte, Citroens save it too but they didn't get any advantage because of this.
Here same situation and I think with same result. Some fresh tyres still remain after rally

you are absolutly right, but the team bosses will always count on worst case....what if we have 6 punctures, what if the weather changes, what if we need 4 fresh tires for power stage...it is not logic and it will not happen, but they must be prepaired for any situation...

so the only solution is 1- give 4 extra tires for shakedown BUT take them back after shakedown
2 reduce PET to maximum 1 day per driver before the event

than we will have usefull shakedowns, especially on gravel, but with the existing rules it will be a desaster on gravel rallyes :(

[Rallyper]

Yes it´s called shakedown for a reason. If not trying your car properly you might loose that extra assessment needed for the 1/10 of a second differ.