Rally Sweden 2017

[dimviii]

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Lorenzo Bertelli ‏@fuckmatie37
SS10 - I enjoyed this stage, I will do a big jump for the spectators at #ColinsCrest on the next one

[A FONDO]

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[GeoFerg_Sco]

Meeke saying he doesn't have the pace to compete. That doesn't sound good for Citroen.

[KKS]

Acestream links for livestage
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[maciotacio]

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No sound in that steam ?
Thanks for it!

[A FONDO]

I also miss the sound, but at least the quality is good.

just found a link for Movistar acestream://931f361e9e6feb9aaa2cd3d72074e58cc3e48561

[car]

Don't understand... Gorban started early and was well into the stage before 9:08 (on live maps)... any ideas?

[car]

Desborough claiming that studded tyres give as much grip on snow as tarmac tyres on tarmac! What a complete cock. This man wants removing from the commentary before he damages the WRC brand. Simply unacceptable.

[RS]

Desborough claiming that studded tyres give as much grip on snow as tarmac tyres on tarmac! What a complete cock. This man wants removing from the commentary before he damages the WRC brand. Simply unacceptable.

How many seconds into Meeke's run do you think it will be until we get a 'man from Dungannon'?

[Sulland]

Looks like Henning completed his first stage without an incident...

the goal of the rally now must be to beat the stepson on one SS, just to make a point! :D

[RS]

Hanninen and Lukyanuk doing a bit better today.

[6789]

FIA have canned SS12 due to average speed

[car]

These cars are going to be lifting way too high at the front when it comes to Finland...

[KKS]

Desborough claiming that studded tyres give as much grip on snow as tarmac tyres on tarmac! What a complete cock. This man wants removing from the commentary before he damages the WRC brand. Simply unacceptable.
thats why I prefer spanish commentary... here I don't understand anything :)

[car]

How many seconds into Meeke's run do you think it will be until we get a 'man from Dungannon'?

I can't bear the man.

[KKS]

FIA have canned SS12 due to average speed
so they should cancel all Finland as well

[6789]

so they should cancel all Finland as well

And Poland :/

[dimviii]

so they should cancel all Finland as well

guys are clowns.Everybody before the rally knew that the average will be too high.
Ingrassia (posted few pages back) said that average will be between 135 and 140km/h.
Now they cancel the stage......

[KKS]

Hard for Paddon.... his face tells all

[RS]

Mirek is right, average speed means nothing.

Bit of a joke to be cancelling stages when FIA came up with rules that make the cars faster in the corners.

[dimviii]

Neuville with opened door. Like a boss.
https://youtu.be/BLRwySz8wsY

[dimviii]

Tanak again faster at 1st split

[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 2m
2 minutes ago


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"Much better than yesterday. There's more fresh snow so it's still hard to fight with the guys starting behind us but we keep pushing"

[Eli]

Tanak fastest so far...

[dimviii]

Tanak now 9,2 from Latvala.

[KKS]

quite good explanations from Latvala. I agree with that

[AL14]

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 2m
2 minutes ago


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"Much better than yesterday. There's more fresh snow so it's still hard to fight with the guys starting behind us but we keep pushing"

That's pathological lol

[dodge33cymru]

If you have a sixth tyre/wheel, can you dump it at some point? Or do the rules say you have to return with as many as you leave with?

[KKS]

Mads was carzy on a jump

[RS]

Mads looks good on this stage.

[dimviii]

Mads looks good on this stage.

he get used to the rear aero.

[Myrvold]

SS Knon - Historics cancelled due to spectator injury.
WRC due to speed.

I chose the wrong stage to spectate :/

[dimviii]

Mads was carzy on a jump


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[Sulland]

Østbergs Ford looks a bit softer than the other Fiesta 17s.

[Oliverk]

SS Knon - Historics cancelled due to spectator injury.
WRC due to speed.

I chose the wrong stage to spectate :/
Plenty of time to move to another stage.

[dimviii]

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[KKS]

If you have a sixth tyre/wheel, can you dump it at some point? Or do the rules say you have to return with as many as you leave with?
I remember that Marcus lost his spare at Sardinia or Acropolis rally and no futher action will apply.... just without spare and OK.

[Rally Hokkaido]

If you have a sixth tyre/wheel, can you dump it at some point? Or do the rules say you have to return with as many as you leave with?

Good question! IIRC, Bar codes of the tyres the cars left the service park with are given to the Scrutineers. In theory, Scrutineers can check the tyre bar codes before the start of any stage. They can also weigh the cars, then. If two spares are carried, one must be removed for weighing anyway, so I cant think which regulation would require you to always carry a second spare (but there probably is one!)

EDIT

Found it!
60.11 SPARE WHEELS
Cars may carry a maximum of two spare wheels.
Any complete wheel fitted on the car or installed inside the car during servicing must reach the next service
park or the next area where a tyre change is authorised. No complete wheel may be loaded on or taken off
the car elsewhere than in the service parks or the areas where a tyre change is authorised

[br21]

Regulations say you need to come back with same tires and same amount of them you leave the service (or tire fitting zone). Of course always some "force majoure" possible.

[er88]

FIA are pathetic

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[Sulland]

Irritating that they cut the TV transfer just before WRC2!
:batman:

[RS]

Irritating that they cut the TV transfer just before WRC2!
:batman:

We only get to see WRC2 crews when there have been several WRCar retirements.

[Myrvold]

Henning S asking people in Sweden about a front window for a Fabia. Haha

[KKS]

Rally Sweden ‏@RallySweden (https://twitter.com/RallySweden) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/830358042722041856)More



Solberg is asking for a new windshield. When asked about how Colin's Crest looked: "I don't know, I couldn't see it!" #RallySweden (https://twitter.com/hashtag/RallySweden?src=hash)


:D

[dodge33cymru]

They cancel a stage because of too high an average speed? If they mentioned a specific spot and all the drivers said that's too dangerous, fair enough, but without any further context that's ridiculous.

[EightGear]

This one is for N.O.T.

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[Sulland]

We only get to see WRC2 crews when there have been several WRCar retirements.

If FIA and Redbull want to have more people driving their local WRC rounds they need to get TV time to sell the project to their sponsors! It is expensive!

[Sulland]

Henning S asking people in Sweden about a front window for a Fabia. Haha

Henning is a practical man, use media to what it is for!

[Kalevipoeg]

They cancel a stage because of too high an average speed? If they mentioned a specific spot and all the drivers said that's too dangerous, fair enough, but without any further context that's ridiculous.

Absolutely. It's like no one could see it coming that this year cars will be driving much faster.

[EstWRC]

Amazing Ott! Keep it on!

[N.O.T]

to cancel the stage is stupid, however i do partially agree that the average speed is crazy, but the stage should be run this year and maybe exclude it from next year onwards.

The autistic welsh would probably include a million chicanes to ruin the stage, i really cannot see any use for them apart from digging mud pits like they used to in the old ages.

[big_sw2000]

Rumors on another forum that drivers say the cars are too wide for the narrow parts of the stage. Not seen any evidance of that myself yet.

Steve (from Wales)

[Kalevipoeg]

Rumors on another forum that drivers say the cars are too wide for the narrow parts of the stage. Not seen any evidance of that myself yet.

Steve (from Wales)

And logically thinking if they have already completed the stage once they should be able to complete it again.

[big_sw2000]

And logically thinking if they have already completed the stage once they should be able to complete it again.


That would make sense to me


Steve

[big_sw2000]

The autistic welsh would probably include a million chicanes to ruin the stage, i really cannot see any use for them apart from digging mud pits like they used to in the old ages.

You hav clearly been to spectate on Epynt then lol. More hay bales than my mates Hay farm

Steve

[N.O.T]

You hav clearly been to spectate on Epynt then lol. More hay bales than my mates Hay farm

Steve

i have been there, best tarmac stage i have spectated in my life and one of the best locations in the world. But they do not let a straight for more than 200 meters without a retarded chicane. Mud pit diggers.

[Andre Oliveira]

So they cancelled the stage that was schedule to broadcast live in Red Bull TV :(

[stefanvv]

So they cancelled the stage that was schedule to broadcast live in Red Bull TV :(

Vargasen 2 also cancelled?

[BigWorm]

Vargasen 2 also cancelled?

Haven't found anything about that.

[rallyfiend]

So they cancelled the stage that was schedule to broadcast live in Red Bull TV :(

#fakenews #alternatefacts

what are you talking about?

[denkimi]

the problem is not the speed of the cars, as the new ones really aren't that much faster than the old ones. its just the stage itself.

average speed on Knon:
tanak: 137.8 km/h
breen: 135.2 km/h
Lefebvre: 129.3 km/h
Tidemand: 128.1 km/h

[N.O.T]

the problem is not the speed of the cars, as the new ones really aren't that much faster than the old ones. its just the stage itself.

average speed on Knon:
tanak: 137.8 km/h
breen: 135.2 km/h
Lefebvre: 129.3 km/h
Tidemand: 128.1 km/h

10 km/hr in average speed is huge....

[lnvs]

Rumors on another forum that drivers say the cars are too wide for the narrow parts of the stage. Not seen any evidance of that myself yet.

Steve (from Wales)
I watched full stage from wrc+ and that is just bs. There is no narrow places.

Plenty of "flat maybe" type of corners in +160km/h. Even Tidemand with R5 had 128.1 avg speed. I don't know who thought this would be suitable stage for WRC, maybe Per Eklund with Saab 96? :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Vargasen 2 also cancelled?

Sorry my bad. Time zone tricked me.

[Mirek]

The average speed itself says nothing. In 2016 Barum we had a stage with 125 average (R5) which sure isn't even close in danger to famous Pindula where the average was 114. The main reason is that the first one had one junction/hairpin on 14 km.

There are even faster stages in Ypres where average speed is bellow 110 just because there is huge number of square junctions which make the roads looking way slower then they are.

To this case... They made the new cars faster so it's beyond me how can they be surprised that the cars actually go fast...

[dimviii]

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[stefanvv]

To this case... They made the new cars faster so it's beyond me how can they be surprised that the cars actually go fast...

Seems caught unprepared indeed. Isn't their job to inspect each stage before the rally and make some adjustments if necessary?

[A FONDO]

RIDICULOUS DECISION. Why do 10 kmh guarantee accidents?!?! This is technical progress, of course the cars must become faster and faster. First rallies in french mountains a century ago, avg speeds were probably 50-60kmh then rose to 70-80, should they frozen the development back then until today!??!?! I am sick of careerists whose only goal is to avoid the risk of getting responsible.

[Krigen]

The avarage speed is not what make it dangerous, it`s the fast parts. Stages with slower avarage could have well as fast and even faster parts, just that it also haven more slower/twistier parts as well, or even the ugly heyball chicane`s. Aaah just politics fro FIA this.

[Krigen]

The average speed itself says nothing. In 2016 Barum we had a stage with 125 average (R5) which sure isn't even close in danger to famous Pindula where the average was 114. The main reason is that the first one had one junction/hairpin on 14 km.

There are even faster stages in Ypres where average speed is bellow 110 just because there is huge number of square junctions which make the roads looking way slower then they are.

To this case... They made the new cars faster so it's beyond me how can they be surprised that the cars actually go fast...

Agreed

[Krigen]

And logically thinking if they have already completed the stage once they should be able to complete it again.

Exactly

[Krigen]

FIA are pathetic

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amen

[Googol]

Can't they just put a kilometre of chicanes at the end to drop the average speed? Surely that makes the rest of the stage safe.

[danon]

tiny vs BIG balls...


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[Walach]

Can't they just put a kilometre of chicanes at the end to drop the average speed? Surely that makes the rest of the stage safe.

In Czech championship it works fine for years :D

[Myrvold]

Plenty of time to move to another stage.

With the total and utter chaos it was getting out, we decided against stressing around to get into a somewhat ok spot at Vargåsen.
I'm sure we could've made it. But it would be just about and no guarantee for a spot that's worth the extra time and money.

Shit happens really. Frustrating to miss out on Historics :)

[andyone]

Where are the guys who u derestimated Toyota

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[WRC17]

the problem is not the speed of the cars, as the new ones really aren't that much faster than the old ones. its just the stage itself.

average speed on Knon:
tanak: 137.8 km/h
breen: 135.2 km/h
Lefebvre: 129.3 km/h
Tidemand: 128.1 km/h

What was the top speed achieved though ?
I thought the cars top speed was just over 200km/h?
There could have been some bad bumps on the fast section that might have made it too dangerous, not the average speed alone.

[denkimi]

What was the top speed achieved though ?
I thought the cars top speed was just over 200km/h?
There could have been some bad bumps on the fast section that might have made it too dangerous, not the average speed alone.
top speeds are slower than they where with the 2.0 wrc cars, so that's no excuse either.

[N.O.T]

Where are the guys who u derestimated Toyota

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currently toyota having a previous sweden winner at the wheel are losing to neuville who was a nobody in sweden and they will be probably be eclipsed by a non winner in car that ogier struggles with... how does that make them a good car special boy ?

If toyota was equal or close to the competition Latvala would have a quite comfortable lead... and what about hanninen ?

basic simpletons unable for complicated thoughts.

[Francis44]

Ostberg with the biggest jump on Colin's Crest? Funny because there was a bet for the highest jump on his onebet site.

I dont know if the FIA are monitoring this new trend on bets because this sport is easily influenced.

[WRC17]

top speeds are slower than they where with the 2.0 wrc cars, so that's no excuse either.

Yes, but that was the 2011 - 2016 cars, not 2017 cars.

[mousti]

currently toyota having a previous sweden winner at the wheel are losing to neuville who was a nobody in sweden and they will be probably be eclipsed by a non winner in car that ogier struggles with... how does that make them a good car special boy
You forgot that Neuville already was very close to a victory in Sweden..


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[N.O.T]

You forgot that Neuville already was very close to a victory in Sweden..


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yes after latvala retiring ogier hitting problems and mikkelsen on team orders to finish... he won 3 special stages in 2015, and now dominating.

[smsgrafica]

C'mon, let's just be honest: Latvala nearly sweeped the road yesterday and still is 2nd overall. Today he nearly has the same conditions as Ogier, but the champ isn't able to claim back much time. So Toyota can't be so bad, can it? Or is Ogier suddenly becoming slow?

[onemanband]

currently toyota having a previous sweden winner at the wheel are losing to neuville who was a nobody in sweden and they will be probably be eclipsed by a non winner in car that ogier struggles with... how does that make them a good car special boy ?

If toyota was equal or close to the competition Latvala would have a quite comfortable lead... and what about hanninen ?

basic simpletons unable for complicated thoughts.

Neuville is also the only top 4 runner who had a road order advantage on day 1.

[KKS]

currently toyota having a previous sweden winner at the wheel are losing to neuville
And where is 2013, 2015, 2016 Sweden winner now? :D

[N.O.T]

when you talk about car performace winning means nothing, you can win a rally without the fastest car.

Latvala is the fastest driver in sweden and with the toyota he will have to fight not to finish 4th, in monte he was nowhere, and what about hanninen ? he is nowhere so far on every rally.

Toyota is the worst car of the new breed of cars, of course they do better than those testing videos suggested but given the fact they are a factory team, they do absolutely nothing and that is solely on the fact that toyota gave the project to a worthless unprofessional nationalistic team of village finnish kids who have no sense how proper teams work.

but as i said previously the season to judge drivers and equipment starts partially in mexico.

Now if you want to overglorify drivers and teams (evans in monte toyota here) like some kid, be my guest but accept the flak.

[onemanband]

Toyota is the worst car of the new breed of cars, of course they do better than those testing videos suggested but given the fact they are a factory team, they do absolutely nothing and that is solely on the fact that toyota gave the project to a worthless unprofessional nationalistic team of village finnish kids who have no sense how proper teams work.

While I agree with you that the Toyota is behind the others, the results show they are not that far behind. And while I was also very pessimistic about TMR, looking at when they were given the project by Toyota and what they did have at the start then I can say that I am very impressed. If they would be "a worthless unprofessional nationalistic team of village finnish kids who have no sense how proper teams work" they would be NOWHERE NEAR the pace they are.

[stefanvv]

While I agree with you that the Toyota is behind the others, the results show they are not that far behind. And while I was also very pessimistic about TMR, looking at when they were given the project by Toyota and what they did have at the start then I can say that I am very impressed. If they would be "a worthless unprofessional nationalistic team of village finnish kids who have no sense how proper teams work" they would be NOWHERE NEAR the pace they are.

They also deserve respect in the time schedule they had to establish everything from scratch, under a year if I'm not mistaken.

[ujtik1]

https://www.facebook.com/raymondwordin?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Live Hagfors

[KKS]

Breen finnaly find some speed.

[dodge33cymru]

https://www.facebook.com/raymondwordin?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Live Hagfors
Has it ended?

Edit: no, just not working on mobile

[KKS]

Finnaly Citroens are wake up. Only 2/3 of rally needs :/

[lnvs]

https://www.facebook.com/raymondwordin?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Live HagforsIs there straight link for stream? In monte facebook streams didn't require fb account.

[jparker]

how does that make them a good car special boy ?

It makes it better compared to what you and some others have said, not the actual comparison to other cars.

[AL14]

Latvala pass was very nice at the live stream

[KKS]

Is there straight link for stream? In monte facebook streams didn't require fb account.
https://www.facebook.com/raymondwordin/videos/1406021629470664/

[WRC17]

Why was SS12 cancelled if there is not maximum average speed rule?
How fast were the cars actually going at the fastest point?

[A FONDO]

Is there straight link for stream? In monte facebook streams didn't require fb account.

https://www.facebook.com/raymondwordin/videos/1406021629470664/ ?

[A FONDO]

Red Bull just started https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQUR51W11/fia-world-rally-championship

[Krigen]

[QUOTE=SlowSon;1125921]Red Bull just started https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQUR51W11/fia-world-rally-championship[/QUOTE

:)

[ujtik1]

Is there straight link for stream? In monte facebook streams didn't require fb account.

In monte streams were from fanpages ,and now these are from normal users,probably thats why you can't watch it without account .

[lnvs]

In monte streams were from fanpages ,and now these are from normal users,probably thats why you can't watch it without account .Now I can when people posted right links, not facebook wall. ;)

[ujtik1]

Now I can when people posted right links, not facebook wall. ;)

Ok ,next time I'll try to make it better ;)

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR7czYhgvrA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disaster for Meeke.. :(

[NoName]

Meeke off...

[USER47]

Damn it Meeke:/.

[KKS]

Meeke!!!! You hold yourself near all rally and now THIS...... F#CK!

[steve.mandzij]

Shiiiit, Meeke... Like Latvala, these bad runs will puncture his confidence.

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[dodge33cymru]

Come on Kris, you know you don't have a quick car, typical overdriving.

That said, both Citroens have been tail happy and struggling all weekend.

[N.O.T]

latvala very slow... i think the road is deteriorating.

[KKS]

HUGE respect for that "push-back spectators"!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville in a different class.

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala's gap to Tanak just over 4 sec now... I'm really scared!

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[N.O.T]

great drive by neuville, a new force rises.

Congrats hyundai, dogs getting tastier as time passes.

[N.O.T]

LOL at neuville.... "i didn't push to be honest"

mind games.

[EightGear]

Latvala and Tanak had to slow down at the spot Meeke was parked though, Neuville did not.

[N.O.T]

Latvala and Tanak had to slow down at the spot Meeke was parked though, Neuville did not.

well Neuville earned most of the time after meekes spot so it didn't matter, at first split (where meeks off was) he was equal to ogiers time.

[TWRC]

Come on Kris, you know you don't have a quick car, typical overdriving.

That said, both Citroens have been tail happy and struggling all weekend.
If he knows that, then he shouldn't force the issue and instead go on and finish 5th, still more points for Citroën and himself that way.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen should be hired by Citroen. Their lineup is a disaster.

[dimviii]

Meeke f"cked up again

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[macebig]

Oh,oh Matton is now on a thin line.

[er88]

With his road position Meeke kind of has to win in Mexico now

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[A FONDO]

A bit less boring day :D cause of the live feed. 60 kms left, podium battle is tight and we'll wait until the very end as there's no service or tyre fitting between the stages tomorrow.

[Allyc85]

Oh the ups and many, many downs of being a Meeke fan :(

[KKS]

well Neuville earned most of the time after meekes spot so it didn't matter, at first split (where meeks off was) he was equal to ogiers time.
Cuz Ogier start BEFORE Meeke....

[jparker]

At least Meeke managed to continue, so some Manu points will be salvaged.

[KKS]

Henning have front screen from Lukyanuk recce car :D

[Eli]

stupid Mistake by Meeke, once again Citroen has put the wrong eggs in the basket...

[denkimi]

what i've noticed: 5 out of 6 stages today, tanak was faster than ogier. and he can't blame road position this time

[N.O.T]

Cuz Ogier start BEFORE Meeke....

meeke was stuck for 8 mins....

[EightGear]

what i've noticed: 5 out of 6 stages today, tanak was faster than ogier. and he can't blame road position this time
But he still will.

[Myrvold]

Henning have front screen from Lukyanuk recce car :D

A Norwegian-registered car. I wonder who actually own the car ;P

[jparker]

what i've noticed: 5 out of 6 stages today, tanak was faster than ogier. and he can't blame road position this time
And you think we have not noticed that? Men, those Tanak fans are terrible. Do you have to prize your guy all over the place.

[N.O.T]

And you think we have not noticed that? Men, those Tanak fans are terrible. Do you have to prize your guy all over the place.

i think you should stop bothering with something that you do not understand and it makes you suffer that much.

[KKS]

meeke was stuck for 8 mins....
And how it was affected to Ogier time?

[dimviii]

Pablo Villar ‏@pablichor
#WRC Lukyanuk out of Rally Sweden, suspension damage

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[steve.mandzij]

And you think we have not noticed that? Men, those Tanak fans are terrible. Do you have to prize your guy all over the place.
Are you an Ogier fan? Because if you are I frankly can't see how.

As for Meeke, as much as I do like him, I doubt that at this point in his career he'll win a championship. With the pressure from competing again (and the added pressure of having done awfully two times in a row), I think this might be his second downfall.

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[jparker]

i think you should stop bothering with something that you do not understand and it makes you suffer that much.

Well, not sure if you realize how many times you have been proven wrong. To me, you just talk garbage, so why do I need to listed to you?

[Norm75]

stupid Mistake by Meeke, once again Citroen has put the wrong eggs in the basket...

As someone else said, Meeke is overdriving what appears to be the worst car this season. It was a strange off, the back coming round like that, and coupled with Breens words at stage end Citroen have work to do.
Even with his mistakes you would expect Kris to have bagged at least one stage win so far this season . . . IMO the car isn't there yet.

[N.O.T]

And how it was affected to Ogier time?

i did not say that Ogier was affected.

[Kalevipoeg]

As someone else said, Meeke is overdriving what appears to be the worst car this season. It was a strange off, the back coming round like that, and coupled with Breens words at stage end Citroen have work to do.
Even with his mistakes you would expect Kris to have bagged at least one stage win so far this season . . . IMO the car isn't there yet.

I agree. It seems that Citroen is capable of maximum 5th place but obviously Meeke wants to do better than that and because of this reason he is driving too hard.

[N.O.T]

As someone else said, Meeke is overdriving what appears to be the worst car this season. It was a strange off, the back coming round like that, and coupled with Breens words at stage end Citroen have work to do.
Even with his mistakes you would expect Kris to have bagged at least one stage win so far this season . . . IMO the car isn't there yet.

worst car of the season after 2 events... where meeke fucked up... hmmmmmm

can basic village people please go back to farming ? the cabbages are not going to grow by themselves..... plus i am a humanitarian and i do not want to see you suffer just because you cannot accept the fact that Meeke is the british version of Latvala.

[stefanvv]

I agree. It seems that Citroen is capable of maximum 5th place but obviously Meeke wants to do better than that and because of this reason he is driving too hard.

He was far from 4th place before going off.

[KKS]

i did not say that Ogier was affected.
you compare Neuville and Ogier times that was not affected with Meeke, to Latvala and Tanak - who was affected with that

[N.O.T]

you compare Neuville and Ogier times that was not affected with Meeke, to Latvala and Tanak - who was affected with that

nobody was affected by meekes off, apart from meeke.

Bring in Mikkelsen now and ditch lefebre and meeke.

[denkimi]

And you think we have not noticed that? Men, those Tanak fans are terrible. Do you have to prize your guy all over the place.
Sorry, i didn't realise how much you suffered.
You'll might have to learn to live with it though.

Oh, an by the way, i'm a neuville fan.

[Norm75]

worst car of the season after 2 events... where meeke fucked up... hmmmmmm

can basic village people please go back to farming ? the cabbages are not going to grow by themselves..... plus i am a humanitarian and i do not want to see you suffer just because you cannot accept the fact that Meeke is the british version of Latvala.oh I can see that toss, where do you put the c3 in terms of capability, once you've rubbed those two brain cells of yours together.
As I said, DESPITE HIS MISTAKES (I'll shout it for you as you seem retarded) you would have thought Kris would get one scratch time as he is probably one of the fastest guys out there, but that car isn't capable yet.

[N.O.T]

oh I can see that toss, where do you put the c3 in terms of capability, once you've rubbed those two brain cells of yours together.
As I said, DESPITE HIS MISTAKES (I'll shout it for you as you seem retarded) you would have thought Kris would get one scratch time as he is probably one of the fastest guys out there, but that car isn't capable yet.

another special one.

go away.

[Norm75]

nobody was affected by meekes off, apart from meeke.
.
That'll be why both Latvala and Tanak both said they slowed when Nagle waved them to slow down where Meeke went off.

It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear intelligent than to open it and let the world know that you're a fucking idiot ;)

[KKS]

nobody was affected by meekes off, apart from meeke.



Latvala and Tanak.... they was slowdowned by Nagle

[Eli]

For now let's just hope the top three keep it on the road ;)

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[KKS]

Some streams from Karlstad stage?

[jparker]

He was far from 4th place before going off.

Well, not that far, but in his situation he had to settle for 5th.

[stefanvv]

Well, not that far, but in his situation he had to settle for 5th.

He is as far as Ogier from podium. And we see how difficult for him is to advance. Normally on fast rallies like this 15-20 seconds are big gap.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen looks like he's going to be top Citroen again... who'd have thought that.

Meeke has probably blown his chances for the title already. Shocking start to the season.

[Norm75]

Breen looks like he's going to be top Citroen again... who'd have thought that.

Meeke has probably blown his chances for the title already. Shocking start to the season.Breen isn't overdriving the car, when he feels uncomfortable he is backing off a little. Meeke will more often than not be faster, but seems less prone to back off, so it's not so much of a surprise.
Citroens goals this year are to win some rallies, not titles until next year. Kris is still the favourite to do that for Citroen, so maybe his approach of not backing off isn't as wrong as you might think.
Sometimes you need to go beyond the limit to find the limit, find where the car needs to be improved. It looks bad doing it on a rally, but you have no yardstick to measure against when testing.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4U1Lw4WYAEnAS8.jpg

[dimviii]

more photos from Hennings off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YwhKBWIAIc_49.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YwlHKWIAA4JS1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YwoUtXAAAl3Hm.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak and Järveoja enojying the side window view on Knon stage

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=456

[Sulland]

A Norwegian-registered car. I wonder who actually own the car ;P

Hertz or another rental firm!

[Andre Oliveira]

Funny, before MC, most of you said that C3 were the better look car, looked like canon ball, now is crap!

No, the car were not so good, neither so bad now. Citroën need better driver line-up.

[KKS]

Hertz or another rental firm!
Europcar

[Sulland]

Breen looks like he's going to be top Citroen again... who'd have thought that.

Meeke has probably blown his chances for the title already. Shocking start to the season.

Give the DS3 to Meeke, he liked that one!!

[Norm75]

Funny, before MC, most of you said that C3 were the better look car, looked like canon ball, now is crap!

No, the car were not so good, neither so bad now. Citroën need better driver line-up.in isolation the c3 looked a quick car.
I'll hold my hands up, after Monte I replied to a post that said the c3 looked to be less capable than the other cars, saying it was too early to come to that conclusion, but up to now I think I have to agree.
The Hyundai looks to be the best car, I'd say the Toyota and fiesta are fairly evenly matched. The Citroen is lagging.

Of course, the Hyundai is more of a progression from last years cars than the others, and the driver line up is the same, so in theory things should be easier for the team. Citroen have the same line up but a completely new car.
I don't know how similar the fiesta is to last years car, but doubt as much difference than ds3 to c3. Tanak is used to a fiesta.

If you compare the comments from Meeke and Tanak pre season, Meeke said the most successful driver will be he who tames the new cars the most. Tanak said m-sport have made the fiesta easy and forgiving to drive.
That kind of tells you that the c3 is a more difficult car than the fiesta at least.
For what it's worth, Latvala has most impressed me so far this year, in a completely new team with completely new car.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Give the DS3 to Meeke, he liked that one!!

Sad thing is, Meeke is the one the C3 was designed around...

But you cant really blame the car for his two big mistakes.

[ujtik1]

https://www.facebook.com/niclas.sjokvist/videos/vb.1454616601/10208469131593210/ stream from Karlstad

[WRC17]

Give the DS3 to Meeke, he liked that one!!

"unlikely that Meeke will be champion", It is a sad situation because once people said he would be a future champion.

[lnvs]

Some irony to watch vertical facebook stream which shows screen of actual broadcast that isn't broadcasted outside that screen?!? :D

[NoName]

Neuville in big trouble!

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville!!!! Steering

[NoName]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZlLZ1WEAAHslF.jpg

[KKS]

Neuville!!!!
AAAAAAAAA SHIT
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZlLZ1WEAAHslF.jpg

[HaCo]

Sad, sad, sad :( :( :( :(

[maciotacio]

Hollly shit. Neuville just binned it.
No words, just disaster

[EstWRC]

we will have a tremendous fight now tomorrow with Tänak, Latvala and Ogier!!!

[dimviii]

oh my God......unbelievable...

[N.O.T]

"unlikely that Meeke will be champion", It is a sad situation because once people said he would be a future champion.

nobody ever said that about Meeke, only the people who are basic enough and whenever someone shows some speed he immediately becomes a future world champion in their simple mindset.

We are talking an almost 40 year old, unfortunately he spent his best years doing nothing and only came into picture lately which is apparently too late, he can win some events this year, the Citroen is a winning car, better than Ford and toyota, Hyundai seems that they gave a car that neuville can drive with hands in his pockets.

Conclusions cannot be drawn after 2 very special events where conditions and experience are more of a factor than driving or car performance.

[tolis]

What happened to Neuville? Off road?

[BigWorm]

Neuville, not again...

[dodge33cymru]

My word, the field have really upped their "how to let Ogier win a title" game this year.

Gutted for Thierry, surprised they don't seem to even be attempting a repair. Are there different rules for SSSs or they just figured it's irreparable?

[EstWRC]

What happened to Neuville? Off road?

hit a concrete on super special

[WRC17]

he can superrally tomorrow?

[macebig]

Neuville out from the lead,again?!That burned smell he mentioned at the finish of the previous stage was pretty serious indeed.Latvala now leads.If he keeps it on he will get the championship too.Not even Makinen could have imagined that.And it looks like Ogier is a very very lucky b@stard...

[HaCo]

The car only looks slightly damaged, he must have cut something slightly too much.

So disapointed for him, that is 2 in a row. At least he has the potential to be fast, now he needs the reliability, f*ck!

[KKS]

any video?

[N.O.T]

Its getting frustrating to see little dogs fighting with a lion...

[dimviii]

from what we saw today seems Tanak can do it.But lets wait and see tomorow

[steve.mandzij]

nobody ever said that about Meeke, only the people who are basic enough and whenever someone shows some speed he immediately becomes a future world champion in their simple mindset.

We are talking an almost 40 year old, unfortunately he spent his best years doing nothing and only came into picture lately which is apparently too late, he can win some events this year, the Citroen is a winning car, better than Ford and toyota, Hyundai seems that they gave a car that neuville can drive with hands in his pockets.

Conclusions cannot be drawn after 2 very special events where conditions and experience are more of a factor than driving or car performance.

Saying the C3 is a winning car simply proves you don't know shit.

Also, poor Neuville! Retiring on a SSS must sting after all he went through today! Gutted for him, but hey... LATVALA (Toyota, N.O.T) IN THE (narrow) LEAD!

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[EightGear]

No words..

[maciotacio]

he can superrally tomorrow?

As far as i remember, this year when you retire in Saturday than no rally 2 in Sunday

[AL14]

I had already prepared all the article to save time before the SSS, Jesus Christ Neuville...
I had also found some nice italian joke of words. I have to write it again from scratch.

[BigWorm]

What did he hit?

[mousti]

https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/10210549309801771/ Live Neuville fixing it

**** **** ****!!!

[AL14]

What did he hit?

a block and damaged the steering

[NoName]

What did he hit?

Rally Sweden ‏@RallySweden
Neuville hit a block, and damaged the steering

[WRC17]

As far as i remember, this year when you retire in Saturday than no rally 2 in Sunday

that is pathetic!

[EstWRC]

from what we saw today seems Tanak can do it.But lets wait and see tomorow

he took 17.8 out of Latvala today and now Ogier also smelling a chance for victory, we will have hell of a battle tomorrow!

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg.php?e=35751&s=128355&leg=2&t=Rally-Sweden-2017

[focus206]

Meeke out, Neuville out from the lead... Monte Carlo deja vu. Not that is surprising that Meeke and Neuville make mistakes but come on...

[EightGear]

This is really inexcusable for Neuville.

The biggest **** up I can ever remember.

[steve.mandzij]

I really hope Latvala can focus tomorrow and drive like he did on day one. With that it might just be enough to win. He can't let the pressure get to him.

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[macebig]

If Tanak wants to win, he needs to get ahead of Latvala and pray Ogier doesn't pass the Fin...

[N.O.T]

We might see team orders tomorrow, let ogier fight for the win and Tanak to hold a podium place.

[AL14]

I don't care if I get drunk tonight, I will still wake up early tomorrow.

[KKS]

Looks like they fix it....

[AL14]

We might see team orders tomorrow, let ogier fight for the win and Tanak to hold a podium place.

I don't know, maybe at the power stage, I don't think they will give orders from the beginning of the day at this point of the season.

[Oliverk]

We might see team orders tomorrow, let ogier fight for the win and Tanak to hold a podium place.

This will kill Tänak and his season. Too soon for that.

[maciotacio]

Oh boy, oh boy, how he could have fucked this up? Can't believe.

But...

What a fight we're going to have tommorow! Just stay on the road guys :D

[hari]

SS14 - Craig Breen on the limit:

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schweden/s1.jpg

[KKS]

https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/10210549309801771/ Live Neuville fixing it

**** **** ****!!!
Big thanks for that link!

[N.O.T]

I don't know, maybe at the power stage, I don't think they will give orders from the beginning of the day at this point of the season.

Red bull sponsoring Ogier this year and not tanak and them being the promoter i think plays an important role, all will be revealed at tomorrows first stage.

[Krigen]

What will starting order be tomorrow? Same as today. Reversed list ?

[AL14]

https://twitter.com/JoMoWRC/status/830467680859734016

Neuville crash, from very far unfortunately

[AL14]

Red bull sponsoring Ogier this year and not tanak and them being the promoter i think plays an important role, all will be revealed at tomorrows first stage.

Let's see. I hope not, and still think that they are clever enough not to ruin Tanak's season in that way.

[EightGear]

M-Sport to win the manufacturers title by Finland at this rate.

[Sulland]

Feel sorry for Neuville!
Again, you cant win much, but loose a rally on a SSS.

[maciotacio]

Red bull sponsoring Ogier this year and not tanak and them being the promoter i think plays an important role, all will be revealed at tomorrows first stage.

Even though, no way Tanak would listen.

[EstWRC]

definitely no team orders so early in the season.

[Simmi]

We might see team orders tomorrow, let ogier fight for the win and Tanak to hold a podium place.

Can't see it happening. I don't think Malcolm would do that to Ott. And if he did - do you think Ott would listen? Game on tomorrow. Unreal from Neuville. May have already thrown his title hopes away. You can't hand points to Ogier like this.

[Oliverk]

Worst of all. If Ogier and Ott passes Latvala then no way can Malcolm say to Ogier to chill and settle for one-two. Battle till the end imo or ruin Tänaks season from rally number two.

[Sulland]

The Cit C3 looks very fast on asfalt, and as normal is constructed mostly for that I guess.
But on loose stuff it has a lot to improve!

[spark13]

Wow....
So tomorrow, seemed so battle for podium today, terned in to race for the win.
And seems to me it will be something like this
1234

[macebig]

Wilson had McRae and Sainz and gave team orders to them.If Tanak can't pass Latvala he is 3rd, end of story.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16487594_10154315447080754_7337357766981845815_o.j pg?oh=9b4dfc0f6a6a7ff209b408742cf1f5c9&oe=593EFCE7

[tpt010]

Please be realistic. For sure there will be team order in favour of Sebastien if they can/need to do it. After all, we don't even know if this is written in Ogier's contract.

[Krigen]

wow....
So tomorrow, seemed so battle for podium today, terned in to race for the win.
And seems to me it will be something like this
1234

lol :)

[dimviii]

^^^wow it seems that was a big off,and not a small mistake.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/RLcjb2hr_Hg

[Ucci]

Neuville :in our country we have a saying: even donkey doesn't go on ice surface twice...but belgian guy did just this......

[BigWorm]

Deja vu, anyone?

[KKS]

On that stream on 2:10 - crash moment
https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/10210549309801771/

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial


More
#Neuville UPDATE: driving the car back from the SSS. We will check the car in service this evening and rejoin tomorrow under Rally2.

[Eli]

wow, just missed the last one and what a turn around, we are going to have a Sunday showdown....

[Ucci]

With such acts like Neuville managed to perform twice in a row Mr.Ogier will lost motivation for fight.....it has no sense to risk anything if others guys demolish their hopes and positions by such stupid mistakes.....he can just cruise, collect points and here we go...another championship under his belt.

[dimviii]

On that stream on 2:10 - crash moment
https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/10210549309801771/

if you watch closely,he touched something with his front left corner and that drove him at the barrier with front right corner.

[KKS]

if you watch closely,he touched something with his front left corner and that drove him at the barrier with front right corner.
yes a ping-pong maneuver

[seb_sh]

What a turn of events! I'm not surprised Meeke went off, he was struggling for pace and started pushing in a tail happy car, it was just a matter of time. But Neuville, again at a time where he was more than safe, to me it looks like his problem is lost focus when he stops pushing.

In any case it sets up a thriller day tomorrow! Ogier hasn't been at his best this rally and Tanak's advantage could be enough. Latvala is the unknown here, he's been consistent but usually slightly slower, I expect Tanak will be able to overtake him. Of course with Latvala there's the risk he decides to push and goes off which would result in a Ford 1-2.

About team orders, I don't think they will happen, except for "bring the cars home". The situation is too complicated as it is right now it's best to let each driver try to get the best result, not to mention you don't want to sour the atmosphere so early in the season.

[karl59]

Louise Cook still going? No result on SSS Karlstad?

[tpt010]

About team orders, I don't think they will happen, except for "bring the cars home". The situation is too complicated as it is right now it's best to let each driver try to get the best result, not to mention you don't want to sour the atmosphere so early in the season.

If both Ott and Sebastien pass Jari-Matti, then it is clear that M-Sport will use team orders. Once again, this might even be detailed in contract of Ogier.

[KKS]

what about Solbergs?
Senior have only RWD car
middle - won stage in RC2
and jr.? Retired as Neuville?

[EightGear]

Ogier will win this now, please be real people.

[EstWRC]

If both Ott and Sebastien pass Jari-Matti, then it is clear that M-Sport will use team orders. Once again, this might even be detailed in contract of Ogier.

how do you know this? have you seen the contract? he needs to be faster than Ott which he hasnt managed to do so far in the rally at all.

[N.O.T]

Ogier will win this now, please be real people.

if they allow them to push he cannot win, he has not showed the pace.

But if they allow just for ogier to push and tanak to bring it home then he will win.

[Mise]

Ogier will win this now, please be real people.

I'm afraid that is just what being real means

[EightGear]

I am already preparing for Tanak to:

1. Be running on 3 cyclinders.
2. Have a puncture.
3. Lose engine power.
4. Have a crash on a road section.

[Mise]

I am already preparing for Tanak to:

1. Be running on 3 cyclinders.
2. Have a puncture.
3. Lose engine power.
4. Have a crash on a road section.

5. gear box problems

[dimviii]

Neuville crash


https://youtu.be/d_AOLQ5uwu4

[AL14]

I am already preparing for Tanak to:

1. Be running on 3 cyclinders.
2. Have a puncture.
3. Lose engine power.
4. Have a crash on a road section.

I put my money on a gearshifting problem. :D

Let's hope not. I would actually be very happy if he wins tomorrow.