Rally Sweden 2017

[dimviii]

very fast 1st split from Paddon

[Krigen]

Paddon flying :)

[EstWRC]

Paddon, Neuville and Meeke making the most of better conditions

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Teemu / Rallirinki
First example of what damaged aero does to the new WRCs. Östberg lost +30,7s to Neuville.

[dimviii]

Meeke?

[car]

Meeke?

He was interviewed, so it's just a timing fault...

[KKS]

Meeke?
timming glitch. All OK

[eddy707]

He finished and gave interview on radio but no time yet. Not sure whats going on

[AL14]

FRI 14:58 - SS6: MEEKE
"It's snowing now, okay not heavily, but it's covering the ground and it's hard to see the lines. When its like this there is no advantage to running further down the order."

[Mariusz]

Meeke?

Finished, but no time yet. Should be 10:10.7 if I remember what they said on the radio.

[drive]

someone asked for difuser photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Om5LfWEAAgn6M.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Meeke?

timing glitch,he finished the stage

[dodge33cymru]

Thanks very much @myrvold

[er88]

Paddon, Neuville and Meeke making the most of better conditions
Ideal would be around 4th/5th/6th imo.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon: "A big improvement over the morning. The car is not driving me anymore, I'm driving it. I need to use the brakes less - more on the right pedal." :D

[Krigen]

Now Meeke`s time is on the list

[N.O.T]

someone asked for difuser photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Om5LfWEAAgn6M.jpg:large

LOL... classic forum reflexes

[car]

So come on then.... fairly tight at the top and running order may mean Ogier closes the gap tomorrow... Who's everyone's money on for the win?

I'm probably going to go with Ogier..

[er88]

So come on then.... fairly tight at the top and running order may mean Ogier closes the gap tomorrow... Who's everyone's money on for the win?

I'm probably going to go with Ogier..
Difficult to say. One of the top 2 will win it from here, but I also think one of them will bin it. Really exciting having so many good drivers in good cars, it's been a long time since we had this type of strength in depth in the WRC.

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[jparker]

Help us retrieve the spoiler Mads lost on SS5 Røjden! Please contact team to return it: Mobil +420724645082
quirin.mueller@jipocar.cz #WRC

Thy can buy it back on eBay next Monday. Don't spoil the day of the lucky one.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Screen grab of Ostberg sans aero...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/mads_zps5ursbhhf.jpg

[BigWorm]

So come on then.... fairly tight at the top and running order may mean Ogier closes the gap tomorrow... Who's everyone's money on for the win?

I'm probably going to go with Ogier..

Valeriy Gorban should be winning the WRC trophy class

[dimviii]

Suninen wins stage and now 2nd at wrc2


Lukyanuk retired

[Krigen]

Valeriy Gorban should be winning the WRC trophy class

If not him, i go for Koltun

[er88]

Just watched the brief wrc YouTube highlights of stages 1-4, it looks like Ogier has the proper position for the onboard camera; behind the seats :)

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[Krigen]

Still no one, who knows what was grøndals problem ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

(8 - Breen Craig / Martin Scott): I had a spin and I went into a snow bank. I have completely, completely lost my confidence...

Shame, hope he gets it back asap.

[steve.mandzij]

(8 - Breen Craig / Martin Scott): I had a spin and I went into a snow bank. I have completely, completely lost my confidence...

Shame, hope he gets it back asap.
No! Craig!

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[EstWRC]

Tänak https://instagram.com/p/BQVU7Bih0Hi/

[rage82]

So come on then.... fairly tight at the top and running order may mean Ogier closes the gap tomorrow... Who's everyone's money on for the win?

I'm probably going to go with Ogier..

Neuville is very fast and confident with the car. And it looks he's not pushing like hell. Also he was so strong in Monte, I think that he's the main contender for the win this time.

[skarderud]

Still no one, who knows what was grøndals problem ?
Nothing on it, he had 20km/h lesser speed than the others at his last stage, probably something electronic?

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[Krigen]

great first split for Latvala :P

[Krigen]

Nothing on it, he had 20km/h lesser speed than the others at his last stage, probably something electronic?

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Ok

[ujtik1]

https://www.facebook.com/myrvoldo?fref=ts SS7 live

[Krigen]

https://www.facebook.com/myrvoldo?fref=ts SS7 live

:)

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala lost a second per split to Ogier. Could it be the Yaris causing the problem?

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[N.O.T]

crazy 1st split by Neuville....

[BigWorm]

Neuville is pushing, that's for sure

[N.O.T]

https://www.facebook.com/myrvoldo?fref=ts SS7 live

nice spot but he is in a dangerous place.

[EstWRC]

what on earth neuville? how is this possible

[BigWorm]

what on earth neuville? how is this possible

He's magic you know

[steve.mandzij]

8 sec to Latvala on the second split!

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[EightGear]

Neuville is on it.

On. It.

[N.O.T]

meeke attacks as well... noice.

[EstWRC]

Tänak down to fifth with this stage

[BigWorm]

Have to say it's some very respectable splits from Lefebvre

[EightGear]

Jesus Christ Thierry what the hell.

[gorganl2000]

seems paddon is on it too

[EstWRC]

massive massive advantage for Meeke, Neuville and Paddon....they are fast guys but not so much faster

[N.O.T]

wow... crazy pace by neuville.

[AL14]

No Meeke in the live video on FB??

[Kalevipoeg]

Thierry Neuville really flying right now and 16s faster than Ogier. Everyone else can fight for 2nd and 3rd now because Neuville is untouchable.

[gorganl2000]

great time by neuville 13:04

[N.O.T]

Very good time for Neuville.... nice attack.

[dodge33cymru]

I need to work out how FB live works better...... seems tailor made for rallying but I'm getting old clearly!

[EstWRC]

tomorrow we will have more equal because the guys are starting exactly behind each other! gonna be great

[AL14]

Meeke was very late after Neuville there

[rage82]

gap because of Hanninen

[N.O.T]

The hyundai sounds like a beast... very nice.

[AL14]

gap because of Hanninen

Oh right, there's why, thanks

[EightGear]

Meeke was very late after Neuville there
Hanninens gap

[AL14]

The hyundai sounds like a beast... very nice.

The guy moved from the dangerous place, I'm sure he reads you as well. Now, tell him to put his phone horizontally please.

[N.O.T]

The guy moved from the dangerous place, I'm sure he reads you as well. Now, tell him to put his phone horizontally please.

you cannot change it while streaming, he tried.

[Sulland]

Hänninen - Tiiimber!
The trees do not like him....

pity.

[N.O.T]

Paddon threw the lead away at the end...

[gorganl2000]

yeah...he ended up 1 second slower than Ogier

[EstWRC]

Neuville doing right pushing now when he has advantage, very good

"A really good stage to be honest, but the grip was completely gone - it felt like I had no studs. Jari-Matti had the advantage earlier but I tried to benefit from the cleaner line this afternoon. The car is going well, better and better."

[OldF]

Latvala presents the Yaris’s aero. Nothing special what he says else that they have to have downforce also in the front because of big rear wing. In the end good view of the diffuser. They are not using the openings at front of the rear wheels in Sweden.

http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9453531

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg:
The wing has been returned to the team! Thank you everyone for sharing. That nice Swedish guy will get a surprise from the team ❤ https://t.co/941xyF4qd0

[jparker]

Ostberg:
The wing has been returned to the team! Thank you everyone for sharing. That nice Swedish guy will get a surprise from the team ❤ https://t.co/941xyF4qd0

He must bolt the spoiler better in Mexico, people there are not so kind.

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1256969094382990

[dimviii]

Evans puncture
https://youtu.be/yMQZpWcn5As

[BigWorm]

Ostberg:
The wing has been returned to the team! Thank you everyone for sharing. That nice Swedish guy will get a surprise from the team ❤ https://t.co/941xyF4qd0

A crate of bananas surely

[N.O.T]

Tanak attacks.

[Gregor-y]

A crate of bananas surely

I'd take the window over a wing any day. Much easier to have around the garage.

Damaged aero looks like it will be a big factor this year.

[EstWRC]

Tanak attacks.

and he did! said that he wanted his starting position back! he has done very good, saying that it is really though starting in front and new experience to him

[Fast Eddie WRC]

LIVE SVT: http://www.svtplay.se/video/12293762/motorsport-svenska-rallyt/motor-svenska-rallyt-10-feb-17-30

[RS]

Why did Ostberg retire with only one stage to go?

[KKS]

Why did Ostberg retire with only one stage to go?
did he? O_o

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4UU9DcUkAA6eO_.jpg:large

[rayh_mx]

He must bolt the spoiler better in Mexico, people there are not so kind.
Any problems with anyone?
:bandit: :pimp:

[macebig]

Meeke lost nearly 10 seconds on last split..

[EstWRC]

what a push by Tänak, back into third place!

[RS]

did he? O_o

According to Rally-Base, yes.

Maybe he feels it is too dangerous.

[KKS]

According to Rally-Base, yes.

Maybe he feels it is too dangerous.
Today is a row of strange retirements :/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

According to Rally-Base, yes.

Maybe he feels it is too dangerous.

Mads to Rally2 tomorrow (with rear aero)...

[RS]

Mads to Rally2 tomorrow (with rear aero)...

He might have only lost 30s-1min on this final stage though, and now he will take a Rally2 penalty.. 5 mins?

[denkimi]

could they not give the spoiler back to ostberg? after all, he had it with the car when he left service. :p

[skarderud]

Mads to Rally2 tomorrow (with rear aero)...
The car was dangerous to drive without rear Aero, so it was better to drop the last one. This can be the melody this season i feel.

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[denkimi]

He might have only lost 30s-1min on this final stage though, and now he will take a Rally2 penalty.. 5 mins?
10 minutes.

i think he just has given up.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4UUTiNWcAEsHtQ.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just watching SVT showing them with a speed-gun check on the flat-out section today... Top 3 - Evans & Tanak 183kph, Latvala 181kph.

Latvala later said the Yaris is better the faster he goes, with the aero sucking the car to the road. :cool:

[BigWorm]

Meeke very disappointing considering his road position. 4th is okay, but the fact that he is almost 52 seconds behind already shows it has been a pretty lackluster day for him today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke: My tyres were completely shot! Not a bad day but lost a lot of time when we lost the studs...

[BicioWrc]

guys sorry for tomorrow how will be the starting order? their will reverse top10 or all wrc cars?

[AL14]

guys sorry for tomorrow how will be the starting order? their will reverse top10 or all wrc cars?

reverse all wrc cars

[A FONDO]

Very boring day, no crashes, no pushing. Neuville's episodic attack on ss7 proves it - they're just trying to bring those new cars back to the service. Hope it will be different tomorrow.

[N.O.T]

Very boring day, no crashes, no pushing. Neuville's episodic attack on ss7 proves it - they're just trying to bring those new cars back to the service. Hope it will be different tomorrow.

there is always tennis for you.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some great coverage on SVT... wish I could understand them but pictures were excellent anyway. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/svt_zpsam9ikynr.jpg

[Krigen]

He might have only lost 30s-1min on this final stage though, and now he will take a Rally2 penalty.. 5 mins?

Wery strange dessicion .

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan

More
Unofficial top speed km/hr SS8
189 Breen-C3
189 Sordo
190 Lefebvre-DS3
194 Neuville
195 #Paddon
195 Meeke-C3
198 Tanak
199 Ogier
202 Latvala

[dimviii]

nice clip with Tidemand flat out
https://twitter.com/onionchief/media

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4UdoG-XAAEUcRB.jpg

[Tarmop]

Very boring day, no crashes, no pushing. Neuville's episodic attack on ss7 proves it - they're just trying to bring those new cars back to the service. Hope it will be different tomorrow.

How stupid one can be? No crashes??? What kind of a sick mind gets satisfied, when someone or something gets hurt?

As for pushing...you should pay more attention.

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville


More
SS8 "Very tricky stage with the dark and my door was kept opening towards the end of the stage so I lost a bit of a time in there" #WRC

[N.O.T]

How stupid one can be? No crashes??? What kind of a sick mind gets satisfied, when someone or something gets hurt?

As for pushing...you should pay more attention.

tennis people cannot handle how boring the wrc can get.

[lnvs]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan

More
Unofficial top speed km/hr SS8
189 Breen-C3
189 Sordo
190 Lefebvre-DS3
194 Neuville
195 #Paddon
195 Meeke-C3
198 Tanak
199 Ogier
202 Latvala

From wrc+ onboards SS3: Neuville/Paddon 196, Ogier/Tänak 203, Latvala/Hänninen 206
Hyundai strangely stops accelerating that speed (drag?), no limiter sound. Ford at limiter. Toyota not yet limiter.

[dimviii]

From wrc+ onboards SS3: Neuville/Paddon 196, Ogier/Tänak 203, Latvala/Hänninen 206
Hyundai strangely stops accelerating that speed (drag?), no limiter sound. Ford at limiter. Toyota not yet limiter.

c3/ds3?

[dimviii]

"Aerodynamics greatly changes the behavior of these new cars, in very fast portions, the car goes down at the top, There is a lot of support that gives us more grip and stability. You have to drive very efficiently with these cars, you have to "dose" almost every corner. "
"It is clear that it is going faster and that we must be well awake," said Sébastien Ogier. "You have to be very careful and have good notes so as not to be surprised."
"It's incredible," added Kris Meeke, "this is the first time you can really see the potential of the car, which was not possible at the Monte Carlo. Roads very fast, you can really feel the contribution of the aero. The car is much more stable than in the past. "

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-ca-va-vite-vraiment-vite-ces-nouvelles-autos?id=9527016

[jbmarcus21]

O.C Veiby flying in Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqJHWYAz7Do

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Um4nWWAAAYpNX.jpg

[lnvs]

c3/ds3?No C3 onboards from there yet.

Now they have updated some of those onboards with better gfx and speeds are different from same place. Latvala 199 Östberg 197 and Lefebvre 192. How hard can it be to get onboards from every car and with same data format... :rolleyes:

[BigWorm]

Very boring day, no crashes, no pushing. Neuville's episodic attack on ss7 proves it - they're just trying to bring those new cars back to the service. Hope it will be different tomorrow.

Knön tomorrow could catch some people out

[steve.mandzij]

Knön tomorrow could catch some people out
Is that name pronounced ñen?

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[BigWorm]

Is that name pronounced ñen?

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All letters are pronounced, bit difficult to describe how the ''ö'' sounds like. It's not an O or U, but something in between.

[steve.mandzij]

All letters are pronounced, bit difficult to describe how the ''ö'' sounds like. It's not an O or U, but something in between.
I know how ö is, like eh or uh, but kn surely isn't pronounced cuhn

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[BigWorm]

I know how ö is, like eh or uh, but kn surely isn't pronounced cuhn

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Remove the u from cuhn I'd say

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2PNlWagdQ&feature=youtu.be

[skarderud]

All letters are pronounced, bit difficult to describe how the ''ö'' sounds like. It's not an O or U, but something in between.
Swedish ö is like Norwegian ø, try something like french aux.
The french people would save tons of paper by swap to scandinavian alphapet!:)

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[skarderud]

Remove the u from cuhn I'd say
Say it like Knon, short n the last one. Probably the closest you ever get

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wery strange dessicion .

Not at all. Why risk a new car which costs a fortune, not to mention your life, if the lack of wing causes a big crash...

Strange to risk it all when you are already well behind on time.

[BigWorm]

Say it like Knon, short n the last one. Probably the closest you ever get

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It could be anything, I barely understand my language at times

[karl59]

Ostberg must have had another problem! Going without the rear wing cannot cost more than let´s say 2 minutes anyway!!!

[COD]

Ostberg must have had another problem! Going without the rear wing cannot cost more than let´s say 2 minutes anyway!!!

Like someone said before, why risk having a big crash (private team, expensive car). Rather take a timw penalty. He already proved he has the speed. Sorry for him, as this was the event where he could really shine

[Ctesibios]

someone asked for difuser photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Om5LfWEAAgn6M.jpg:large
This would be considered a double diffuser? At first glance, it seems shallower than the other cars.

[Ctesibios]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4TkQuSWQAAmt9o.jpg
Those trees keep jumping in front of his car! ;)

[Ucci]

Those trees keep jumping in front of his car! ;)
I have a feeling that Hanninen has put too much of pressure on himself.
On the other hand JML is (finally) driving with his mind ''free'' and the result is obviously....

[dimviii]

"At Monte Carlo, we did not have the right tires, fortunately by the way, and it was already very fast. Here in Sweden today we saw today in the second special of the day (ES3-ES6) that the speeds were important. Thierry has twice the best time at more than 125 km / h on average. "
The quadruple world champion then expressed some doubts about the all-new Knon special (ES9-ES12), which competitors will borrow twice this Saturday.
"In this special, it's going to be crazy. The averages are likely to reach 135 or even 140 km / h. When one sees the road conditions, with finally few walls of snow, it is limit safety level. I hope that the FIA and the organizers will make decisions ... "
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/on-pourrait-atteindre-140-kmh-de-moyenne/

[steve.mandzij]

"At Monte Carlo, we did not have the right tires, fortunately by the way, and it was already very fast. Here in Sweden today we saw today in the second special of the day (ES3-ES6) that the speeds were important. Thierry has twice the best time at more than 125 km / h on average. "
The quadruple world champion then expressed some doubts about the all-new Knon special (ES9-ES12), which competitors will borrow twice this Saturday.
"In this special, it's going to be crazy. The averages are likely to reach 135 or even 140 km / h. When one sees the road conditions, with finally few walls of snow, it is limit safety level. I hope that the FIA and the organizers will make decisions ... "
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/on-pourrait-atteindre-140-kmh-de-moyenne/
I don't want to go this far, but what a pussy.

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[Ctesibios]

So after the Friday, top 10 is within less than 30 seconds! (All remaining WRC cars! Excluding rally 2.)

[EstWRC]

So after the Friday, top 10 is within less than 30 seconds! (All remaining WRC cars! Excluding rally 2.)

lol, what?

[dimviii]

http://www.madsostberg.no/Home/PressArticle/1092

[Fast Eddie WRC]

With all the lost time the overall result was only of academic interest. We chose to give ourselves better time to service the car, sort out the technical issues and prepare for tomorrows stages. We have only had two days of testing so far and need the milage without pressure, says Mads.

[Mirek]

My opology to Toyota. I am very happy to write that.

[RS]

Vargasen 1 and 2 live on BT Sport tomorrow for anyone in the UK.

[Ctesibios]

I don't want to go this far, but what a pussy.

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Sorry to say, but he is right! The rules stipulate 120 km/h max for stage average. Finland organizers will have to prepare for this issue also this year. Last year saw a record speed of about 126 km/h with 2016 cars of course!

[jbmarcus21]

DAY1 highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k02I_h5b6tg

[BigWorm]

Sorry to say, but he is right! The rules stipulate 120 km/h max for stage average. Finland organizers will have to prepare for this issue also this year. Last year saw a record speed of about 126 km/h with 2016 cars of course!

Safety first like Danger Ehren says

[Allyc85]

My opology to Toyota. I am very happy to write that.

Without flicking through loads of pages, I wonder if the forum lab rat who was so scathing of the Toyota team, will say the same?

Great to see the cars seemingly close on pace, bodes well for the season :)

[steve.mandzij]

Sorry to say, but he is right! The rules stipulate 120 km/h max for stage average. Finland organizers will have to prepare for this issue also this year. Last year saw a record speed of about 126 km/h with 2016 cars of course!
First off, thanks for not being a NOT and being civilized. :)

I think the stages should go on. In the past average speeds have exceeded the 120 km/h you say above, so there's no reason to enforce them. In addition, Ogier always, no exceptions, will try to get his way by whining and complaining. Hell, the running order change was likely heavily encouraged to the FIA due to him.

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[Mirek]

Sorry to say, but he is right! The rules stipulate 120 km/h max for stage average. Finland organizers will have to prepare for this issue also this year. Last year saw a record speed of about 126 km/h with 2016 cars of course!

No such rule in WRC for more than five years. Even before it was 130.

[Ctesibios]

First off, thanks for not being a NOT and being civilized. :)

I think the stages should go on. In the past average speeds have exceeded the 120 km/h you say above, so there's no reason to enforce them. In addition, Ogier always, no exceptions, will try to get his way by whining and complaining. Hell, the running order change was likely heavily encouraged to the FIA due to him.

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But of course, he is French after all! I hate seeing that kind of behavior, like at the Dakar favoring certain drivers/riders!

[Hartusvuori]

Sorry to say, but he is right! The rules stipulate 120 km/h max for stage average. Finland organizers will have to prepare for this issue also this year. Last year saw a record speed of about 126 km/h with 2016 cars of course!

Maximum average speed rule has been long gone. And wasn't it 130 km/h when it were in regulations? Now each stage gets a go when its safety standards are cleared by FIA.

Sure Rally Finland organizers have thought about this for well over a year now. New cars still doesn't rule out using normal stages. Maybe new stages are looked up from smaller roads, but I don't expect any major changes. Some spectator safety issues have already been addressed in previous years, like moving spectators zones in open areas a bit further as average speeds have got higher already a year after year. Outside spectator zones you should have the freedom as per usual.

[Krigen]

Not at all. Why risk a new car which costs a fortune, not to mention your life, if the lack of wing causes a big crash...

Strange to risk it all when you are already well behind on time.

Nah. It`s actually possible too take it easy (like he allready done 2 stages) without loosing so much time as with the penalty. So still think it`s strange desisicion.

[Hartusvuori]

Knön tomorrow could catch some people out

Stage is called Knon, not Knön. Knon is the lake on which Northermost end the stage finishes. And yes, that hell of a fast stage could write off some cars...

[Hartusvuori]

Nah. It`s actually possible too take it easy (like he allready done 2 stages) without loosing so much time as with the penalty. So still think it`s strange desisicion.

Mads' press release explains this: as the rally was over for them, better to give more time in the service, nurse the car and then come back for proper testing tomorrow.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4VFzNhWcAAFr6q.jpg

[Krigen]

Mads' press release explains this: as the rally was over for them, better to give more time in the service, nurse the car and then come back for proper testing tomorrow.

Still dont agree. he had not lost soo much time. And things can and probably will happen too the top 10 over the next 2 days, he could well got a good position at the end. Now with the penalty top ten seems unlikely. Feels like he`s giving up.
Never give up !

[dimviii]

Hyundai video
https://youtu.be/gwyGvSPtgJ8?t=1

[Krigen]

I don't want to go this far, but what a pussy.

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Amen !

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak: "3rd place after day 1. It's been hard work to be at the front on the road, but new experience for me and very happy with the job we've done! We had a bit of push on the last stage and managed to gain few places so we can be pleased with our start position for tomorrow. I must say big thank for our estonian fans, as it feels like driving home and support is huge"

[dimviii]

no video from Hanninens crash?


edit here is onboard video
https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC

[Luijbregts]

Yes. check out rallysweden.com and its in their video overview of stages 1-4 I believe

[A FONDO]

Vargasen 1 and 2 live on BT Sport tomorrow for anyone in the UK.
Movistar Espana to broadcast the second pass at 15:00 CET. arenavision 5-6

Without flicking through loads of pages, I wonder if the forum lab rat who was so scathing of the Toyota team, will say the same?

Great to see the cars seemingly close on pace, bodes well for the season :)

Guys don't be so sure what is on pace and what pace actually. It's the first day. Nobody is pushing at 100% now. Let's talk about Toyota at the second half of the season, when teams and drivers get to understand the cars, then we will begin to see who built what base package and who does well in the constant development process.

[EstWRC]

m-sport review of today http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/taenak-in-podium-position

[N.O.T]

Without flicking through loads of pages, I wonder if the forum lab rat who was so scathing of the Toyota team, will say the same?

Great to see the cars seemingly close on pace, bodes well for the season :)

I will wait until the proper rallies of the season to draw my conclusions. Monte and Sweden and partially mexico are not rallies where you can see clearly the pace of the cars, unless of course you believe that Neuville can be faster that Ogier by almost 1 sec per km in equal conditions.

But then again for me rallying is more than just watching hairpins.

About toyota my opinion remains the same, a village nationalistic team of assorted nobodies with no future in this sport.

[BigWorm]

Stage is called Knon, not Knön. Knon is the lake on which Northermost end the stage finishes.

You're right. The WRC app said Knön first, either they corrected it or I was hallucinating

[steve.mandzij]

I will wait until the proper rallies of the season to draw my conclusions. Monte and Sweden and partially mexico are not rallies where you can see clearly the pace of the cars, unless of course you believe that Neuville can be faster that Ogier by almost 1 sec per km in equal conditions.

But then again for me rallying is more than just watching hairpins.

About toyota my opinion remains the same, a village nationalistic team of assorted nobodies with no future in this sport.
A village team that's second in the manufacturer's championship with two drivers and has one of them in the top 3, who happened to be leading the rally at one point.

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[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/rally_sweden_2017/rti__mg_0096.jpg

more
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=35751&fotograf=181

[N.O.T]

A village team that's second in the manufacturer's championship with two drivers and has one of them in the top 3, who happened to be leading the rally at one point.

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yes, after 2 very unique events in the calendar. Shows nothing for people with a functioning brain who watch the sport from a less than basic perspective.

To brag about toyota based on latvalas performance in sweden it would be equally stupid to bash them because of hanninens performance.

I am not expecting people to become smart, that is impossible, but at least stick to your own basic world and discuss basic rallying things like who jumps the longest at colins crest and wake up at 6 to go and watch a hairpin to see who pulls the handbrake and who doesn't.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/ABiZ9VYpGIs

[danon]

Ostberg:
The wing has been returned to the team! Thank you everyone for sharing. That nice Swedish guy will get a surprise from the team ❤ https://t.co/941xyF4qd0


A crate of bananas surely

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/british-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-driver-elfyn-evans-arrives-for-a-service-picture-id482543366

[Luijbregts]

yes, after 2 very unique events in the calendar. Shows nothing for people with a functioning brain who watch the sport from a less than basic perspective.

To brag about toyota based on latvalas performance in sweden it would be equally stupid to bash them because of hanninens performance.

I am not expecting people to become smart, that is impossible, but at least stick to your own basic world and discuss basic rallying things like who jumps the longest at colins crest and wake up at 6 to go and watch a hairpin to see who pulls the handbrake and who doesn't.


Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this negativity. I wonder sometimes if you are so important in the Rally world... are you that important N.O.T ? Would be nice if you could share your story/history/biography or CV and show what you are good for. But that will probably never happen. BTW: ''proper rallies'' ??? Have you ever driven any of these rallies ? And very classy as well that you are telling us how 'we' have to experience this beautiful sport. Enjoy the rest of WRC Sweden, I will!! including colin's crest and a hairpin here and there!

[dimviii]

Cook roll
https://youtu.be/GQj9l_lLNAk

[N.O.T]

Cook roll
https://youtu.be/GQj9l_lLNAk

* insert incredibly sexist remark here *

[danon]

Watch it! The wrap-up of Day 2, Friday - Juho Hänninen's moment of truth - and Jari-Matti Latvala's flying-flowing day. Enjoy! #YarisWRC #Toyota #RallySweden https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/videos/319272355141623/

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGfH6dUxiQ

[BigWorm]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/british-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-driver-elfyn-evans-arrives-for-a-service-picture-id482543366

How nice of Elfyn to go back and gather the wing for Mads

[Krigen]

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this negativity. I wonder sometimes if you are so important in the Rally world... are you that important N.O.T ? Would be nice if you could share your story/history/biography or CV and show what you are good for. But that will probably never happen. BTW: ''proper rallies'' ??? Have you ever driven any of these rallies ? And very classy as well that you are telling us how 'we' have to experience this beautiful sport. Enjoy the rest of WRC Sweden, I will!! including colin's crest and a hairpin here and there!

I think Sweden show a lot of the potential in the car. It`s not that specialacised actually. If a car is fast in Sweden it will be fast everywhere. DO you have example of shit rallycar that won in Sweden ? N.O.T ?

[HarriK]

Ogier very close to exit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wky0iSMku-o

[danon]

https://youtu.be/yMQZpWcn5As?t=4

https://youtu.be/SWGfH6dUxiQ?t=8

Evans - Chionophobia - Google

[bowler]

* insert incredibly sexist remark here *

Unlike NOT I take no pleasure in seeing a private competitor damage their car. The sport is made up of champions at one extreme and hard working amateurs at the other. Those amateurs who compete in WRC events have a very difficult task, and contribute to our sport. I give them my best wishes, not sarcasm and abuse.

[spiderem]

is red bull doing a recap video like in Monte?

[car]

is red bull doing a recap video like in Monte?

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQUR51W11/fia-world-rally-championship

It was on at 9pm. so I think they will rerun it at 10pm (both UK times). Hopefully.

[danon]

https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s720x720/16707346_1208578929238882_7765093910160542373_o.jp g?oh=18ab66265932486552a14619af8b1aa7&oe=590225F9

[Ctesibios]

Maximum average speed rule has been long gone. And wasn't it 130 km/h when it were in regulations? Now each stage gets a go when its safety standards are cleared by FIA.

Sure Rally Finland organizers have thought about this for well over a year now. New cars still doesn't rule out using normal stages. Maybe new stages are looked up from smaller roads, but I don't expect any major changes. Some spectator safety issues have already been addressed in previous years, like moving spectators zones in open areas a bit further as average speeds have got higher already a year after year. Outside spectator zones you should have the freedom as per usual.
Went through the regulations and safety guidelines and didn't see anything related to speed. Wonder how they call a stage safe or not? One person's judgement... There must be a protocol for this. Just have a feeling this issue is going to come back over the season. I don't want to be pessimistic, I just want these cars to stick around for more than just one year!

[car]

https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s720x720/16707346_1208578929238882_7765093910160542373_o.jp g?oh=18ab66265932486552a14619af8b1aa7&oe=590225F9

Is he timing the cars a la Robbie Head and his Nokia? (If anyone remembers that)

[itix]

As we could evidently see today, the Toyota is very slow even if we factor in that it was second car on the road.

It seems all the video watching experts were right after all *massive irony*.

Not that I'm a fan of the Toyota but it seems I was absolutely right in waiting for the actual events to judge the speed of the various cars...

[Ctesibios]

As we could evidently see today, the Toyota is very slow even if we factor in that it was second car on the road.

It seems all the video watching experts were right after all *massive irony*.

Not that I'm a fan of the Toyota but it seems I was absolutely right in waiting for the actual events to judge the speed of the various cars...
I don't get the logic of your statement. In what respect is the Toyota slower?

[Morte66]

If I may ask another newbie question:

It seems to me it's generally an advantage to go first on tarmac, and a disadvantage to go first on gravel. But what of ice, how does that work? And would fresh snow change anything?

[Mintexmemory]

A village team that's second in the manufacturer's championship with two drivers and has one of them in the top 3, who happened to be leading the rally at one point.

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Enough to turn the most hardened cynic into a Toyota fan - go Jari Mati!!

[adr17]

my spoiler just fell off

mads is such a whining twat ( i hit nothing)

[danon]

As we could evidently see today, the Toyota is very slow even if we factor in that it was second car on the road.

It seems all the video watching experts were right after all *massive irony*.

Not that I'm a fan of the Toyota but it seems I was absolutely right in waiting for the actual events to judge the speed of the various cars...

yet fast enough for snowy, icy and tricky conditions... could be on purpose too

[Co-FIN]

I don't get the logic of your statement. In what respect is the Toyota slower?

I believe sarcasm is the word. :-)

And N.O.T your newest statements just clarify how lost you really are. In some case's it would be better just raise the hand and say that "maybe" i was wrong. But no. Your opinions are based in emotions not in facts.


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[N.O.T]

As we could evidently see today, the Toyota is very slow even if we factor in that it was second car on the road.

It seems all the video watching experts were right after all *massive irony*.

Not that I'm a fan of the Toyota but it seems I was absolutely right in waiting for the actual events to judge the speed of the various cars...

you should send an email to ostberg regarding your views on aero, he seems that he believes its important...

[Allyc85]

Enough to turn the most hardened cynic into a Toyota fan - go Jari Mati!!

You're still not getting any money off of me!

[stefanvv]

Enough to turn the most hardened cynic into a Toyota fan - go Jari Mati!!

His name now should be Jaris.

[itix]

you should send an email to ostberg regarding your views on aero, he seems that he believes its important...
Unlike you I don't mind being wrong occasionally.

This is the second time I explain this to you, but you have an unusually thick skull (probably why you are so slow to comprehend things... Small brain can barely fit behind that thick skull bone).

[USER47]

my spoiler just fell off

mads is such a whining twat ( i hit nothing)
Well, he didn't hit anything, did he? I suppose such a big wing has to withstand quite a lot of air pressure in high speed, and this one just didn't make it.

[stefanvv]

Well, he didn't hit anything, did he? I suppose such a big wing has to withstand quite a lot of air pressure in high speed, and this one just didn't make it.

I think he put it on a stress test after a crest, test failed. I'm surprised the rear dampers didn't come up to see who is driving.

[skarderud]

If I may ask another newbie question:

It seems to me it's generally an advantage to go first on tarmac, and a disadvantage to go first on gravel. But what of ice, how does that work? And would fresh snow change anything?

Quite ok to be first on clean ice, real hell to be first on 10-15cm of fresh snow:)



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[KKS]

Just watched review of Day2 on BTSport, too many spots I recognize by FB live streams, all action was there :)

And Meeke lost really 10sec on roadside snowbank, as he told.

[Micke_VOC]

Tidemand flatout on HOF-Finnskog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujQRP5ezfA

[jparker]

It seems all the video watching experts were right after all *massive irony*.

I think Rally Racing is not overly complicated sport for average intelliget people. I can't understand why so many people are trying to place themselves above the rest in terms of their knowledge.

[Mariusz]

you should send an email to ostberg regarding your views on aero, he seems that he believes its important...

I'm sure he'll do it right after you send an email to Mikkelsen telling him that VW is not quitting WRC.

[Mk2 RS2000]

No such rule in WRC for more than five years. Even before it was 130.

Correct, it was 120 plus a 10% allowance over that. Rule no longer in the book.

[danon]

Ogier very close to exit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wky0iSMku-o

Ogier from another angle...

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBsjxI1ljr7YJoc/giphy.gif

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGfH6dUxiQ
best video so far!

[Sulland]

Ogier seems to have golden hair growing, but it happens a lot, so it is probaly a combo of luck and skill.

[Mirek]

Went through the regulations and safety guidelines and didn't see anything related to speed. Wonder how they call a stage safe or not? One person's judgement... There must be a protocol for this. Just have a feeling this issue is going to come back over the season. I don't want to be pessimistic, I just want these cars to stick around for more than just one year!

Average speed is not a good measure of safety. Believe me, I am from a country where average speed is held as a sacred safety feature. It has a meaning only in several special cases when comparing stages are very similar in their nature.

[KKS]

If I may ask another newbie question:

It seems to me it's generally an advantage to go first on tarmac, and a disadvantage to go first on gravel. But what of ice, how does that work? And would fresh snow change anything?
If it fresh snow - first cars must a pull away it to able dig studs into ice. So laterunners have an advantage
If it only ice - first car have an advantage, because every run make road more ruted with less grip

[danon]

https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16665155_10155057885739973_7922782674258145419_o.j pg?oh=8a20834103e9e60ea00076f4e3b86dda&oe=5900EC62
https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16486975_10155054659349973_65017509153673098_o.jpg ?oh=069fec71398448d1866c41339535935b&oe=593B7F9A

[stefanvv]

Ogier seems to have golden hair growing, but it happens a lot, so it is probaly a combo of luck and skill.

I don't believe in luck. Watching his onboards sometimes it's mindblowing how the car keeps the road with so little grip, taking corners with 150-170 km/h. And still You feel quite safe "riding with him".

[N.O.T]

Ogier from another angle...

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBsjxI1ljr7YJoc/giphy.gif

the new aero serves as snow sweeper as well, with he old car snow would be all over the radiator grill causing overheat.

[AL14]

Just read 10 pages with some interesting discussion about the rally spaced out by some nice and original soft flame.
This is the forum I like. Keep it up.

[N.O.T]

some nice and original soft flame.
This is the forum I like. Keep it up.

soft flame ? are you suggesting i am losing my touch kid ? you better not...

[danon]

^
^
https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mn1TeM1drlX0xG/source.gif

[AL14]

^
^
https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mn1TeM1drlX0xG/source.gif

lol nonsense!

[stefanvv]

Just read 10 pages with some interesting discussion about the rally spaced out by some nice and original soft flame.
This is the forum I like. Keep it up.

Tell us about Ogier's problems.

[AL14]

soft flame ? are you suggesting i am losing my touch kid ? you better not...

Not at all! Well maybe can be less repetitive sometimes but don't want be too much pretentious.

[AL14]

Tell us about Ogier's problems.

Sorry I don't get it

[BigWorm]

If I may ask another newbie question:

It seems to me it's generally an advantage to go first on tarmac, and a disadvantage to go first on gravel. But what of ice, how does that work? And would fresh snow change anything?

Clean ice = very good grip, if you're using studs obviously. In that case, you'd benefit from running first. The more cars that passes by that ice layer will eventually tear.

But should there be snow covering it, the first cars will sweep away the snow and the later cars will get to use the ice more.

[stefanvv]

Sorry I don't get it

You don't need to be. Probably I have missed the point made to a less important "stuff" for the sport.

[Ctesibios]

lol, what?

I wanted to confirm the results I was seeing because they seemed odd. Indeed, I was getting wrong info. The gaps are much bigger. Top 10 spread over more than 3 min.

[Myrvold]

Thanks for the live-stream share yesterday guys, hope I managed something there :-)

Off to SS Knon now, hope to have reception and an OK spot to show todays stage as well :-)

[RS]

I will wait until the proper rallies of the season to draw my conclusions. Monte and Sweden and partially mexico are not rallies where you can see clearly the pace of the cars, unless of course you believe that Neuville can be faster that Ogier by almost 1 sec per km in equal conditions.

But then again for me rallying is more than just watching hairpins.

About toyota my opinion remains the same, a village nationalistic team of assorted nobodies with no future in this sport.

I agree with that apart from the last sentence.

The car is clearly good, probably better than we all thought, but it's too early to say how good.

The all-Finn driver lineup looks a bit dodgy but they're all good drivers and apart from that Makinen hired experienced former MSport guys to design the car.

[dimviii]

Good morning guys! Lets see the average at this fast stage!

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport
#tyre info:
M-Sport/Citroen/hyundai/Ostberg: 5 Michelin X-Ice North 3
Toyota/Lefebvre: 6 Michelin X-Ice North 3
#wrc #RallySweden

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon
Big happy birthday to @JKCoDriver today - getting younger by the day Lets give him something to celebrate today @RallySweden


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4XHQ5yXUAAxU7j.jpg



Neuville flying

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4VZnpFWAAEIKOh.jpg

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres


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There has been 1-2cm of overnight snow but the first stage is relatively clean - so @ElfynEvans has gone with five DMACK DMG-ICE2 tyres

[J_n_z]

@NOT and


I agree with that apart from the last sentence.

The car is clearly good, probably better than we all thought, but it's too early to say how good.

The all-Finn driver lineup looks a bit dodgy but they're all good drivers and apart from that Makinen hired experienced former MSport guys to design the car.

I can understand that from some reason a generally good car/driver combination does not perform in on snow. But I couldn't find how a dog of a car would be up there on a fast, bumpy, camber changing roads.

Please tell some technical reason why it can be like this...

[dimviii]

Neuville small clip
https://www.facebook.com/FanClubTNNG/videos/1210183049036839/

[A FONDO]

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQUR51W11/fia-world-rally-championship

It was on at 9pm. so I think they will rerun it at 10pm (both UK times). Hopefully.

Why don't they make it available at all times? What kind of ridiculous "TV" is this?

[A FONDO]

Tencie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I4CaUQfR0g

[Thousandlakes]

wow! what is that average speed. nice :)

[KKS]

Oh some intresting and good splits. Sordo at same level as Ogier. Tanak faster and JML near the same pace

[dimviii]

135 km/h average for Breen

[Dug83]

Why don't they make it available at all times? What kind of ridiculous "TV" is this?

It is available all the time. Click on channels then Motor and you'll find it in there.

[cosmin_sb]

Does anyone know which is the highest average on special stage?

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial
SS9 #Paddon: "The power steering failed at the beginning of the stage - it's impossible to drive." #WRC #RallySweden

[dimviii]

Does anyone know which is the highest average on special stage?


Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport


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Are we gonna smashed the fastest stage WRC record of 136.9 km/h (Poland 2014)

[Augury]

Tänak setting the pace on Knon. 15 seconds quicker than Meeke.

[A FONDO]

Some fast passes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtD4fFCNsO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlq0bsGjVw

[dimviii]

lol again he didn't had good start position

Sat 08:37 - SS9: Ogier
A new fastest time, 10.5sec up on Sordo. "No problems. You have to be completely committed in here, it's super fast! The stage is getting faster and faster with each car. We enjoy our road position better than yesterday

[KKS]

He just don't know what to say else. 4 years talking the same, and he forgot other words :D

- Honey, good morning!
- Good morning, but I can get better road position.

:D

[KKS]

Henning again in trouble at first stage of a day :( - roll
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/830323894452117504

[dimviii]

Rally Sweden ‏@RallySweden 29s
30 seconds ago


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IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION: People at SS10, you need to move away from the road. If not, the stage will be cancelled. #RallySweden

[KKS]

Not good info. Too many stage cancelation for this year in one hand and with higher av. speed in other...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4XpAr1WIAAbeEo.jpg

[KKS]

Eyvind Brynildsen ‏@E_Brynildsen (https://twitter.com/E_Brynildsen) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/E_Brynildsen/status/830330319119253505)More



SS9: Knocked off a wheel and struggled to put on a new one. Lost 5 minutes!

[dimviii]

^^

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4XoEzKWYAECPJv.jpg

[dimviii]

Rally Sweden ‏@RallySweden
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: People at SS11, you also need to move away from the road. Stage needs to be clean 30 minutes before! #RallySweden


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4XtkJeW8AA-psc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4XtdPNWQAAsZyo.jpg

[KKS]

Som you must have proper test before event.... even if you Solberg

[KKS]

Good pace from Sordo. Now Meeke must be faster in case of battle for podium, but Sordo beat him even with mistakes.

[er88]

I tried to join onebet and it says the country I'm in is blacklisted, however I'm in the UK. Did anyone else have this problem?

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[dimviii]

nice Tanak small clip
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK

[BigWorm]

Meeke drops more time than he can afford right now. Latvala will lose second to Tänak at this rate

[KKS]

I think that yesterday Ostberg rally2 retirements just in case of running order. If he stay on road and lost 2-3min, he must start 2nd today. And with rally2 he have good road position and he try to impress someone with fast stage times? But he definitely couldn't.

[NoName]

I think that yesterday Ostberg rally2 retirements just in case of running order. If he stay on road and lost 2-3min, he must start 2nd today. And with rally2 he have good road position and he try to impress someone with fast stage times? But he definitely couldn't.

No, it have nothing to do with road position.
They needed more time on service to get a good service on the car and use the rest of the rally as a test.

[maciotacio]

Any links for live stage 11 ?

[dimviii]

lol

Sat 09:50 - SS10: Ostberg
Seventh quickest. "Okay, but I cannot find the same rhythm as yesterday. I'm struggling to adjust to driving with a rear wing again."