32. Internationale Jänner Rallye 2015

[WUff1]

Concerning ERC: At about one third of the rally now finished, and one third of the drivers already retired. I don´t think this will go on like this, but only at about 10 drivers on the finishing ramp tomorrow evening doesn´t seem impossible now.

[Jarek Z]

Concerning ERC: At about one third of the rally now finished, and one third of the drivers already retired. I don´t think this will go on like this, but only at about 10 drivers on the finishing ramp tomorrow evening doesn´t seem impossible now.

Breen will restart tomorrow and maybe some others too, so there can be more than 10 drivers at the finish line :)

[Mirek]

Again Hirschi, caught in the classic Pierbach arena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr_lkQMYRE


Breen will restart tomorrow and maybe some others too, so there can be more than 10 drivers at the finish line :)

There is no superally in ERC. Drivers can take bonus leg points but they are not in final classification so it is possible...

By the way Jarek, here is another famous stunt of Mitterleher from last year ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQ6XaPS3ck

[WUff1]

Stajf SS 1 Pierbach Arena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddf7PEf2Ujk
Tlustak the same place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MksoXLwQEkw

[Jarek Z]

By the way Jarek, here is another famous stunt of Mitterleher from last year ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQ6XaPS3ck

I see he does some trick every year. I like his commitment! :)

[rage82]

Hirschi's time is on the timetable first and not S. Lefevbre, but obviously Stephane is Ok speaking now on the radio.

[WUff1]

No restart for Neubauer tomorrow.

[Mirek]

Huge differences on this long stage as expected.

[Rallyper]

Lukyanuk - Consani SS8 > 1.02 minute!! GOOO Alexey!

[rage82]

Big attack from Lukyanuk on the longest stage for the day. Only Kajto is fastrer and now the difference is only 1.48 min. to Tarabus!

[Jarek Z]

Kajto wins 8th stage in a row.

[dimviii]

Big attac from Lukyanuk on the longest stage for the day. Only Kajto is fastrer and now the difference is only 1.48 min. to Tarabus!

yes now is possible 3rd position for Lukyanuk.He took 48seconds from Tarabus and they have to run again this stage at 2nd loop.

[Mirek]

And normally the hardest stage is the very last one - Bad Zell.

[WUff1]

Lefebvre pays dearly on his Janner debut. Now he lost 5th position to Mitterlehner again with a suboptimal stage.

[WUff1]

http://static1.nachrichten.at/storage/scl/artikelbilder/sport/1193543_m3t1w561h315q80v33315_Jnnerrallye_1031.jpg ?version=1420475307

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clean sweep of 8 stages by Kajto so far... big congrats !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6lal1pIIAEtfx6.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fiesta R5 Noberasco

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6mQt11IEAEVQ8k.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hirschi 208

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6mQgR2IMAE6jlS.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hirschi gets stuck ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr_lkQMYRE#t=21

[stefanvv]

Difficult Rally for Hirschi, another mistake - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY3LHPzSd_8

[stefanvv]

Great driving by Lukyanuk.
SS8: "It was maybe the hardest stage in my life, thanks to our pacenotes, they work. Snow everywhere, but it is nice. In the beginning I was struggling to find the pace. Finally in the middle of the stage we find the pace."

If he didn't have this problem on SS1, still wouldn't fight for victory, but nevertheless very nice for inexperienced.

[stefanvv]

Mitterlehner's AUDI gave up unfortunately, electrical problem after crash - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQFhJ1KmzA

[Ucci]

Bad luck for Turk on Jänner: 3 years, 3 starts, 3 times out on .

Turk has s real bad luck:this time blown engine....

[WUff1]

Simon Wagner second best Austrian after Baumschlager in Austrian championship with his old Mazda 323 GTR, even in front of Fischerlehner. One doesn´t need to comment this ... OK, better road position, but he´s really doing a fabulous rally so far.
Also local baker Ernst Haneder in front of Fischerlehner

[A FONDO]

Mitterlehner's AUDI gave up unfortunately, electrical problem after crash - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQFhJ1KmzA

what a dumb retirement :D

[dimviii]

Despite the increased challenge, fourth-placed Alexey Lukyanuk can’t wait to get started in his Ford Fiesta R5. “I have always been fast in the night, maybe I have a good pacenote system with precise distance measurements,” said Lukyanuk. “Maybe they help me to be more confident.”

Plunging ambient temperatures will also be an issue, but not necessarily a problem, as Kajetanowicz explained: “When the road is cold, when the temperature is in minus the grip is better in this situation,” said the Pole. “Now we have soft and wet snow in Freistadt but when the temperature is minus zero it is like sand and it’s better grip.”

http://www.fiaerc.com/news

[Barreis]

Old mazda 323 gt-r in 6th overall after ss8...
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=18470&s=76880&t=Internationale-Janner-Rallye-2015

[A FONDO]

p.s. stefan look here at 4:30 :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaBXwJFFIak

[dimviii]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

[PLuto]

Old mazda 323 gt-r in 6th overall after ss8...
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=18470&s=76880&t=Internationale-Janner-Rallye-2015

This complete results are wrong :) There is no Mazda in any results on 6th place.

[mousti]

Also a young guy I heard.. 20 years old?

[Cian Donnellan]

Anyone travelling from Karnten or Klagenfurt/Villach to the rally tomorrow??

[EstWRC]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

who the hell is this guy? all the videos i have seen from him today are so embarrassing.

Hoping that Lukyanuk gives hell on the last stage today.

[EightGear]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

Fantastic. :D

[Mirek]

who the hell is this guy? all the videos i have seen from him today are so embarrassing.

He did better on asphalt in WRC France or ERC Valais. He just goes through tough learning.

[dimviii]

Hoping that Lukyanuk gives hell on the last stage today.

he has only to loose if push.No reason.

[stefanvv]

p.s. stefan look here at 4:30 :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaBXwJFFIak

Oh yeah, can't do that with Opel:D. Shame he retired, old AUDIs are great fun in Janner:D. Gogo Sturmer:hot:

[Negaiss]

My prediction. Kjato watn's to win all stages of leg 1 - pushes to hard, goes off (stage 10).
Lukyanuk storms to a Monster time, smashes Consani and Tarabus by 1 minute.

Day 2. Lukyanuk slovwly catches Tarabus, then Consani and Wins.

[stefanvv]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

OMHG:D Das ist vunderbar.

[RICARDO75]

Does Martin Fischerlehner scores points today?
He's not registered on ERC 2 but I think he can score in the top seven. Or am I wrong?

[PLuto]

Does Martin Fischerlehner scores points today?
He's not registered on ERC 2 but I think he can score in the top seven. Or am I wrong?

You are correct. He cannot score points in ERC2, but he can score points in overall.

[bluuford]

This guy is just lost in the snow.. we have seen it with many drivers :-) Every beginning is difficult;-)

[WUff1]

Yeah, Hirschi obviously lost orientation in the snow. But great video.

[Rallyper]

Problems for Consani?

[dimviii]

Problems for Consani?

he is 1min and 5 sec faster crom Lefebvre

edit
SS10] Schönau - St Leonhard 2
Robert CONSANI (PEUGEOT)
Damage to the front of the car, the wheel is pushed back in the wheel arch, also has broken spot lights, has only 3 instead of 6 - "This is the problem with the stage before this... It is very difficult."

[mousti]

3 spotlights broken and some damage with rear right wheel I think :p

[makinen_fan]

Problems for Consani?

FIA ERC ‏@FIAERC (https://twitter.com/FIAERC) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/552178735911559169)
Consani with damage on the front right wheel: "This is the problem with the SS9 problem (a puncture), maybe a broken wishbone now" #FIAERC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FIAERC?src=hash)

[WUff1]

He has to repair it if he can, otherwise he can´t manage the road section back to Freistadt ...

Raoux in troubles too

EDIT: Raoux in finish

[mousti]

41 seconds lost by Tarabus. 1.06 min gap between him and Lukyanuk

[Muchonen]

My prediction. Kjato watn's to win all stages of leg 1 - pushes to hard, goes off (stage 10).

Have to disagree with you. Kajetanowicz is too experienced to risk just to win all stages of day 1. Imo so far he has so huge advantage that he will just drive to finish (still making great times). He is intelligent driver, he knows how to win rally :) and surely he is not driving on a limit.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some funny videos today.. good entertainment to make up for lack of excitement in the rally battle..

Hirschi :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6m16yUCAAAp588.jpg

[Mirek]

Have to disagree with you. Kajetanowicz is too experienced to risk just to win all stages of day 1. Imo so far he has so huge advantage that he will just drive to finish (still making great times). He is intelligent driver, he knows how to win rally :) and surely he is not driving on a limit.

True, Kajto isn't any kamikaze style driver. He is a funny guy but he knows how to bring the car home.

[dupanton]

But he did win all stages today, nice stuff!! Hopefully, we will see him doing a full ERC...

[stefanvv]

But he did win all stages today, nice stuff!! Hopefully, we will see him doing a full ERC...

Last year he suffered lot of mechanical issues. I really hope this won't happen this year and we can see him fighting with the factory teams.

[Mirek]

Yes, his problem was car reliability. I have to say I was really surprised how calm he was driving in Barum. Compared to usual suspects like Breen he was near invisible on stages. His times were maybe a little disappointing but I'm sure that he learned a lot for 2015.

[Jarek Z]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

LOL :) Now I understand why Hirschi loses 18 minutes to Kajto. He modifies the route of the rally and drives his own stages! :D

[Jarek Z]

Fiesta R5 Noberasco

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6mQt11IEAEVQ8k.jpg

Yes, end of the rally for him as far as I know. But now he can drink his own juice! :D

[hari]

Some images from Day 1:

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_erc_jaenner_rallye_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/j15d2.jpg

[Jeppe]

lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ant2KTW-s

What a clown he is.. Does he really have a FIA licence?? ;) ;)

[Jarek Z]

My prediction. Kjato watn's to win all stages of leg 1 - pushes to hard, goes off (stage 10).
Lukyanuk storms to a Monster time, smashes Consani and Tarabus by 1 minute.

Sorry, you need to repair your crystall ball ;)
http://crossfitcypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2013-real-estate-crystal-ball.jpg

Kajto wins all 10 stages of day 1. According to Autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/dziesiec-na-dziesiec,58969) in the past Robert Kubica and Jan Kopecky managed to do something similar. Kubica won all stages of day 1 on Rally Islas Canarias 2013 and Kopecky won all stages of day 2 on Barum Rally 2013. Didn't Freddy Loix do something similar too?

[Franky]

What a clown he is.. Does he really have a FIA licence?? ;) ;)

Let the man have some fun in snow :)

[Jarek Z]

Let the man have some fun in snow :)

It's good that he has this red and white cross on the roof of his car. This way the helicopter can find him faster when he makes another trip in the snow ;)

[RICARDO75]

The time differences from Kajto for the others drivers, remind me a leg of Safari Rally

[tommeke_B]

Kajto wins all 10 stages of day 1. According to Autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/dziesiec-na-dziesiec,58969) in the past Robert Kubica and Jan Kopecky managed to do something similar. Kubica won all stages of day 1 on Rally Islas Canarias 2013 and Kopecky won all stages of day 2 on Barum Rally 2013. Didn't Freddy Loix do something similar too?

Loix won all stages on first leg of Ypres Rally 2011. On the second leg he cruised to victory.

[Mirek]

Sorry, you need to repair your crystall ball ;)
http://crossfitcypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2013-real-estate-crystal-ball.jpg

Kajto wins all 10 stages of day 1. According to Autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/dziesiec-na-dziesiec,58969) in the past Robert Kubica and Jan Kopecky managed to do something similar. Kubica won all stages of day 1 on Rally Islas Canarias 2013 and Kopecky won all stages of day 2 on Barum Rally 2013. Didn't Freddy Loix do something similar too?

Kopecký didn't win all stages of day 2 on Barum 2013. He won all on day 1 ;) Actually he didn't win a single one on the second day :)

[stefanvv]

Pierbach slalom, 2015 edition - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_NHHPbJp94
Yes looks like Lukyanuk is attacking the corners quite hard, snow in the radiator is about to cause problems

[Ucci]

This complete results are wrong :) There is no Mazda in any results on 6th place.

Look at national classement.

[stefanvv]

Let the man have some fun in snow :)

Yeah he had lot of fun today:D. Here he became addicted:D

[Jarek Z]

Kopecký didn't win all stages of day 2 on Barum 2013. He won all on day 1 ;) Actually he didn't win a single one on the second day :)

So there is a mistake in the article. Thanks for correction. Statistics are cool! :)

[stefanvv]

It's good that he has this red and white cross on the roof of his car. This way the helicopter can find him faster when he makes another trip in the snow ;)

That assuming the heli pilot doesn't suffer earth spinning and crashes before that

[dupanton]

I'm really surprised to see that Hirschi his radiator survived all of that snow and the engine didn't even overheat...

[stefanvv]

Yeah, may be 208 radiator issues are over, let's hope so

[Franky]

Yeah, may be 208 radiator issues are over, let's hope so

Just needs regular fresh snow cooling

[Ucci]

Congrats to Kajto, we all expected for him to be fast, but obviousley he is at the moment in this event from another league. And it is very clearly, that except Kajto & Consani all others are strugling with this conditions.
At begining everybody is excited, but when the "clock is ticking", drivers show their skill or better say unskill....

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I'm really surprised to see that Hirschi his radiator survived all of that snow and the engine didn't even overheat...


Peugeot has clearly solved their overheating problems ;-)

[stefanvv]

Just needs regular fresh snow cooling

That depends on the design. Doesn't help with Fiesta obviously

[Mirek]

Look at national classement.

PLuto's point was that there is no common classification. They are two different events held under different rules. Of course You may count them together for Your own excitement but that's all.

[MartijnS]

Breen's off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trlxJK6QDA&feature=youtu.be

[Mad cat jnr]

Peugeot has clearly solved their overheating problems ;-)


No front bumper means no snow getting stuck and blocking air flow....

[Rallyper]

Well, a dussin of Finns at the very place would have helped him up in a couple of minutes, that´s for sure! :)

[stefanvv]

Breen's off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trlxJK6QDA&feature=youtu.be

That certainly is lot more than 10km/h

[stefanvv]

No front bumper means no snow getting stuck and blocking air flow....

That is not so certain. WRC Polo has a "tube" between the bumper and radiators for example.

[PLuto]

Look at national classement.

Which national classement do you mean? This one? - http://rally-base.com/2015/32-int-janner-rallye-2015/?ssId=2750&cupId=56

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That certainly is lot more than 10km/h

Not pushing at all though was he ? Cant really blame him for going crazy or taking chances, that was such a 'soft' way to go off. Quite bizarre the way the car just goes down the bank a bit.. I think he actually backed off and should've kept his foot in ... really frustrating way to go out... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nNDuOIgAE04BV.png

Breen: "There were no spectators around so I ran up the road to a house and knocked on the door. Unfortunately, they didn't speak English.' :D

[Ucci]

Which national classement do you mean? This one? - http://rally-base.com/2015/32-int-janner-rallye-2015/?ssId=2750&cupId=56

Yes

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/mtr_b10.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/mtr_b17.jpg

more new ones
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18470&fotograf=251

[dimviii]

Tarabus on BF Goodrich tyres...

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10406630_629302697196323_3876858623354811912_n.jpg ?oh=76c34fb40753e4a482366a008ffcf55d&oe=553F9343
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10924759_629302723862987_5693464472613339639_n.jpg ?oh=5787fa0395f0427d5902843803458d38&oe=552E997E
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10347795_629304647196128_6312146871570552010_n.jpg ?oh=a90f07116a2992f07104cfe0bcdf4112&oe=55333AEF

more

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.629302160529710.1073741924.236514103141853&type=1

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10917835_854177747959271_868845948786060300_n.jpg? oh=be87b818348e5a34ec7726b686ca7118&oe=552EFEB2&__gda__=1428860155_cf8bdabcd1b4bdbb850d01ff7f05d54 9
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10402009_854177891292590_2510600355825240600_n.jpg ?oh=2caef5008e8b28de65f42716bcb8c991&oe=55256F25&__gda__=1430630557_ca010eab17e7c57d5a38f117941e5c5 3
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10906167_854176641292715_3497574701446374547_n.jpg ?oh=7fe375e6eabbd16226e0cd77e2bd3ba6&oe=553701D4


more
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.854176407959405.1073741893.101005866609800&type=1

[stefanvv]

Not pushing at all though was he ? Cant really blame him for going crazy or taking chances, that was such a 'soft' way to go off. Quite bizarre the way the car just goes down the bank a bit.. I think he actually backed off and should've kept his foot in ... really frustrating way to go out... :(

He said himself "I was pushing like hell" in this video actually. At the moment he approached this corner he was doomed, throttle or not, it was inevitable. The problem is that he overshoot the previous one. Stupid mistake no matter how You look at it. Quite surprising as he has very detailed pace notes as far as I'm aware, he just seem keen to that kind of mistakes sometimes.

[makinen_fan]

Tarabus on BF Goodrich tyres...

well spoted. Do they still produce them under the BF Goodrich name? Wasn't it just a marketing exercise by Michelin some year ago for wrc to promote the brand?

[stefanvv]

Tarabus on BF Goodrich tyres...

BF Goodrich, that brings me back:D

[stefanvv]

Interesting, the intercooler seems full with snow, but not the radiator:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10920957_629303053862954_624116080181118657_n.jpg? oh=8b45ecebcda386ccdf51c4397b04c801&oe=55379E20&__gda__=1430041117_e8f65251646700e1f9afaf7c211b8d8 5

[stefanvv]

Pirelli snow tyre looks much more "abrasive" than Michelin's: - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10917072_629303117196281_859665708625161503_n.jpg? oh=b8402ad954685fbabe8ba8392050c022&oe=55222371&__gda__=1429900577_86c55da50b3d1ba9619d8e360c520a3 3

[dimviii]

well spoted. Do they still produce them under the BF Goodrich name? Wasn't it just a marketing exercise by Michelin some year ago for wrc to promote the brand?

yes right,probably more narrow than today michelins...

[dimviii]

Interesting, the intercooler seems full with snow, but not the radiator

thats normal after some kms after ,because inside water radiator there is water with 100 celsious,while at intercooler air with much less temperature.

[dimviii]

Pirelli snow tyre looks much more "abrasive" than Michelin's: - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10917072_629303117196281_859665708625161503_n.jpg? oh=b8402ad954685fbabe8ba8392050c022&oe=55222371&__gda__=1429900577_86c55da50b3d1ba9619d8e360c520a3 3
another one photo

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/00/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_030_310074_54aaff5a5.jpg

[stefanvv]

thats normal after some kms after ,because inside water radiator there is water with 100 celsious,while at intercooler air with much less temperature.

In that case why isn't the water cooling radiator little bigger, and intercooler smaller. I'm just wondering, may be I'm missing something.

[Rallyper]

At the moment he approached this corner he was doomed, throttle or not, it was inevitable.

Full throttle all the way down (if it happens) is the only way helping you out of such troubbles....

[Rallyper]

another one photo

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/00/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_030_310074_54aaff5a5.jpg

That pattern of snow tyres was the pattern we in Sweden used back in the 80´s. Much more modern patterns is used today, I would say. Look at the tyres in Rally Sweden. Why wouldn´t that pattern suite the smaller studs as well??

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/07/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_011_310727_54ab08bda.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/07/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_020_310745_54ab08d70.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/07/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_046_310797_54ab08e43.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/07/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_019_310743_54ab08d32.jpg

[stefanvv]

Full throttle all the way down (if it happens) is the only way helping you out of such troubbles....

In smoother corners for sure, here nothing would help

[dimviii]

In that case why isn't the water cooling radiator little bigger, and intercooler smaller. I'm just wondering, may be I'm missing something.

there is no need to be bigger,thats why.Water temp is normal to be about 100 celsius.
intercooler cant be smaller,because a smaller one would not cool the compressed air at a proper cool temp=less power

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/07/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_035_310775_54ab08c40.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/08/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_049_310803_54ab08f51.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/31/06/Jaenner_Rallye_2015_SS_003_310613_54ab08a4b.jpg

more
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=1711&tx_yag_pi1%5Brm%5D%5BalbumUid%5D=1258&tx_yag_pi1%5Brm%5D%5BgalleryUid%5D=729&tx_yag_pi1%5Baction%5D=submitFilter&tx_yag_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=ItemList&cHash=cd1f1c631cf1e90136e5c2975a2fc843

[stefanvv]

Water temp is normal to be about 100 celsius.
intercooler cant be smaller,because a smaller one would not cool the compressed air at a proper cool temp=less power

Yes, I know all that, my point was with Peugeot cooling (engine) problems, isn't wiser to make bigger water radiator, reducing the intercooler and compromising turbo power at some (faster events).

[stefanvv]

Nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrMM-p_g74

[dimviii]

That pattern of snow tyres was the pattern we in Sweden used back in the 80´s. Much more modern patterns is used today, I would say. Look at the tyres in Rally Sweden. Why wouldn´t that pattern suite the smaller studs as well??

its like that you used at Sweden,but not the same.Thats a pattern first used and produced for s1600 cars.

[stefanvv]

To the list of 208 problems - Hirschi's windows were sweaty, reason for his offs:confused:

[dimviii]

Yes, I know all that, my point was with Peugeot cooling (engine) problems, isn't wiser to make bigger water radiator, reducing the intercooler and compromising turbo power at some (faster events).

as you can see they made huge radiators/intercoolers at 208/ds3 r5 cars.Problem is probably from engine/block they choose.and not from radiators sizes.Lately seems they have solve the problem.

[stefanvv]

as you can see they made huge radiators/intercoolers at 208/ds3 r5 cars.Problem is probably from engine/block they choose.and not from radiators sizes.Lately seems they have solve the problem.

May be. We'll see. I'm quite surprised Peugeot with it's motorsport history can't make a proper block.

[makinen_fan]

May be. We'll see. I'm quite surprised Peugeot with it's motorsport history can't make a proper block.

I think it's a block from a standard road car 1.6L engine. M-sport went with the block from a 2.0L if I remember correctly. R5 cannot have a bespoke engine block, has to be off the shelf I think

[stefanvv]

I think it's a block from a standard road car 1.6L engine. M-sport went with the block from a 2.0L if I remember correctly. R5 cannot have a bespoke engine block, has to be off the shelf I think

Ok, Pegeot don't have 2L road car engine, how did they solved cooling problem?

[dimviii]

onboard of Concani,best camera position imho
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/list/id/27

[stefanvv]

Kajto day1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEltW_vig-M

[Bartek]

Consani is a Ferrari driver?

[dimviii]

Consani is a Ferrari driver?

sent a pm to NOT.For sure he knows these very well.

[stefanvv]

Lefebvre's mistake on Pierbach - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drIyIHval30

[Mirek]

Yes, I know all that, my point was with Peugeot cooling (engine) problems, isn't wiser to make bigger water radiator, reducing the intercooler and compromising turbo power at some (faster events).

Just a detail. It would be opposite. Any radiator and therefore also intercooler is more efficient with high air flow. That is bigger in faster events simply because of higher air speed. Therefore You would sacrifice power mostly in slow summer rallies where the power is already worse due to high temperatures and where lack of turbo performance is also more crucial because of torque necessity. Anyway as Dimviii and Makinen Fan explained, the radiator size must be enough when it's enough for all other cars with similar power. The problem was most likely in the engine block with too small cooling channels. I have no idea how they solved it and I don't have enough knowledge to even guess.

[Mirek]

Tarabus on BF Goodrich tyres...

Some vintage stuff there! So no, they didn't use any special tyres from Michelin but old stock of BF Goodrich. If several years old tyres are faster than latest Michelins something must be wrong. Now I see they used new Michelins on QS.

Here from Tarabus's facebook:


Evening service:-)! Really long long day...now in the evening it was white hell, we're so glad we're here:-). Pirelli riders totally wins and Alexey is going very quickly to our backs....but rally ends up till on the finish ramp, certainly will not give 3rd position for free! Thanks for your support!

[Negaiss]

Day 2 is GO!!! Go Lukyanuk!

Really hope Lukas will manage to enter rally Liepaja-Venspils 2015 (ERC second event). This will be stages of his style and He has some expierence in Latvia.

[makinen_fan]

onboard of Concani,best camera position imho
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/list/id/27

agree! when are we going to see this in wrc... even Neuville posted this last night
http://instagram.com/p/xfWh4kpzPw/

[Mirek]

Kajto wins 12th stage in a row!

[RS]

Breen's times today are very disappointing, and now he is moaning too.

[sindroms]

What a statement! Just wow...

@FIAERC @Craig_Breen SS12 "It’s not rally driving. I just drive a piece of metal on the snow. I’ve never seen someone like this" #FIAERC

[stefanvv]

Just a detail. It would be opposite. Any radiator and therefore also intercooler is more efficient with high air flow. That is bigger in faster events simply because of higher air speed. Therefore You would sacrifice power mostly in slow summer rallies where the power is already worse due to high temperatures and where lack of turbo performance is also more crucial because of torque necessity. Anyway as Dimviii and Makinen Fan explained, the radiator size must be enough when it's enough for all other cars with similar power. The problem was most likely in the engine block with too small cooling channels. I have no idea how they solved it and I don't have enough knowledge to even guess.

All right, if radiator size is enough and the block channels are the real problem, the only way I can think of solving this is probably bigger water pump. But that is just a guess, may be there are other tricks we don't know.

[mousti]

Error on rally-base? Kajto suddenly has 10 minutes lead? :p

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[PLuto]

Error on rally-base? Kajto suddenly has 10 minutes lead? :p

Kajto's manager brought some money, so we have extended his lead :pimp:

[EstWRC]

well, does it matter if he leads by 4 minutes or 10 minutes, he is uncatchable anyway:p

[liposh]

The P208 T16 is quite new and it will take some time to find good setup for snow. It was clearly visible yesterday in Hirschi´s case.

[Mirek]

It's not that new. It has done already a complete season. Almost all successful cars were fast out of the box no matter the surface. Just remember Fabia S2000 or Fiesta S2000 which both started first on Monte Carlo and both were immediately able to win stages.

One shot of Nikki Glisic for RWD lovers. By the way if you don't know this driver has only one leg...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97iCwdG2zc&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

The P208 T16 is quite new and it will take some time to find good setup for snow. It was clearly visible yesterday in Hirschi´s case.
its wrong to judge 208s speed with Hirschis driving capabilities.

[liposh]

OK, let´s agree on this statement: "It is difficult to find good snow setup for P208 T16"...because we can all see how it is moving a lot in nearly all corners and in my opinion Hirschi became older at least about 10 years during those two days :-D

dimviii: OK, but we have got Breen here and it is still the same song in both cases ;-)

[Coach 2]

That pattern of snow tyres was the pattern we in Sweden used back in the 80´s. Much more modern patterns is used today, I would say. Look at the tyres in Rally Sweden. Why wouldn´t that pattern suite the smaller studs as well??

Do not think question is of how modern pattern is or not, but how many studs you are allowed to use. Pattern is adapted if you want or are allowed to have 12 studs per dcm or 20.

[Mirek]

Yes, the limit is 12 studs per dcm.

[Coach 2]

Just read that O.C. Veiby (DS3 R3T) uses Monte wheels to learn how these behave. Very sensible.

[dimviii]

dimviii: OK, but we have got Breen here and it is still the same song in both cases ;-)

Has Breen ever be good driver at snow?Has he ever enter Janner again?
are they on ''proper'' tyres?
208 speed as we have seen is top form.Doubt that a good driver he couldnt find a proper setup for snow.

[stefanvv]

are they on ''proper'' tyres?

Yeah, looks like this is the main problem here, and probably on Monte will be the same

[Mirek]

Yeah, looks like this is the main problem here, and probably on Monte will be the same

15" tyres are not allowed on Monte. The situation with 18" ones may be different. In 2010 when Hirvonen won Monte the Pirelli tyres were clearly better on wet stages while he hasn't win a single snow stage. You never know...

[WUff1]

Breen did Rally Liepaja twice and Rally Sweden, but in these rallies there are fast gravel roads covered with snow, not tarmac roads with a lot of tight corners, which are surely more slippery with fresh snow than roads at Latvia and Sweden.

Now as he doesn´t shine again today I don´t think he´ll score well at Monte, too.

[stefanvv]

15" tyres are not allowed on Monte. The situation with 18" ones may be different. In 2010 when Hirvonen won Monte the Pirelli tyres were clearly better on wet stages while he hasn't win a single snow stage. You never know...

I was meaning actually the width of the tyres, rather than size. But yes, we'll see if Pirelli are better indeed (H. Solberg I think is one of them).

[dimviii]

But yes, we'll see if Pirelli are better indeed (H. Solberg I think is one of them).

you will compare him with Ogier and polo or with Loeb to see if pirellis are better?

[pantealex]

18" tarmac rims are much wider than 15" gravel rims, so Monte tyres must be wider than Jänner ones. (245mm / 205mm ?)

[dimviii]

(6 - Tlusťák Antonín / Kučera Ladislav): Very good rally, we have bought some Pirelli tyres from Kajetanowicz.

[mousti]

(6 - Tlusák Antonín / Kuera Ladislav): Very good rally, we have bought some Pirelli tyres from Kajetanowicz.

Kajto is even making profits at this rally :D

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[dimviii]

so Monte tyres must be wider than Jänner ones. (245mm / 205mm ?)

235

[WUff1]

Brake problems for Lefebvre

[stefanvv]

you will compare him with Ogier and polo or with Loeb to see if pirellis are better?

:D, of course not, never said that. Someone in his "league", may be even Hyndais

[stefanvv]

18" tarmac rims are much wider than 15" gravel rims, so Monte tyres must be wider than Jänner ones. (245mm / 205mm ?)

For sure, and that's the problem with the snow in Monte, the tyres/rims are just too big.

[dimviii]

:D, of course not, never said that. Someone in his "league", may be even Hyndais

you cant compare them too.At least with safe conclusions.

[Mirek]

(6 - Tlusťák Antonín / Kučera Ladislav): Very good rally, we have bought some Pirelli tyres from Kajetanowicz.

He is slow driver BUT this can not be just be driving... first run +9 s/km; second run +3 s/km. That's so huge difference that there must be a big difference in the tyres.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrMM-p_g74

[liposh]

He is slow driver BUT this can not be just be driving... first run +9 s/km; second run +3 s/km. That's so huge difference that there must be a big difference in the tyres.

This is comedy :-D Tarabus switched to BF Goodrich and even "ERC superstar Fast Tony" Tlustak bought Pirelli. BTW. Mirek, I focused on the shape of the tyres and YES, there is difference, but not that huge as I expected. :-)

[Jarek Z]

(6 - Tlusťák Antonín / Kučera Ladislav): Very good rally, we have bought some Pirelli tyres from Kajetanowicz.

Hahaha that's funny! :D I hope Kajto made a good deal! :)
I had no idea that Kajto has such great marketing skills. Apparently after winning 14 stages in a row everybody buys Pirellis now :)

[Franky]

BTW. Mirek, I focused on the shape of the tyres and YES, there is difference, but not that huge as I expected. :-)

Still black and round?



Have to say that it's been really positive to see Lukyanuk doing so well. Hopefully the man will get more chances to prove his capabilities.

[PLuto]

Hahaha that's funny! :D I hope Kajto made a good deal! :)
I had no idea that Kajto has such great marketing skills. Apparently after winning 14 stages in a row everybody buys Pirellis now :)

It is not easy to buy Pirelli, they are not available...

[Mirek]

Second stage and it's clear no accidental coincidence. Tlusťák is two classes faster now than he was for most of the rally. The Michelin tyres are sh*t...

[PLuto]

Lefebvre out...

[Mirek]

Reason?

[PLuto]

Reason?

I think brakes.

[dimviii]

FIA ERC ‏@FIAERC
ERC Junior Champion @SLefebvreRallye check his Citroën DS3 R5 #FIAERC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6qhz7tCYAApltD.png

[Rallyper]

I guess the brake problems he had on last stage. Retired on liasion.

[Mirek]

Tarabus saying he started to loose studs. Two more stages to go. He will loose the third place to Lukyanuk for sure.

[dimviii]

Tarabus saying he started to loose studs. Two more stages to go. He will lost the third place to Lukyanuk for sure.
if the next stages have big parts with asphalt is possible.
pirellis studs no problem with asphalt parts of stages due to different method of construction.
michelin installs the studs after the tyre has been manufacture.Pirelli togather with tyre manufacture=they need much more abuse to get out of the rubber.

[rage82]

Lefevbre retired because of alternator problems according to rally radio.

[Mirek]

if the next stages have big parts with asphalt is possible.
pirellis studs no problem with asphalt parts of stages due to different method of construction.
michelin installs the studs after the tyre has been manufacture.Pirelli togather with tyre manufacture=they need much more abuse to get out of the rubber.

SS17 Bad Zell is a long stage with some parts on wide road where we can expect less snow. This stage has been a game changer in all last editions of Jänner rally but this year it is shortened from 28 to 21 km. Still much longer than all other stages run today...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He said himself "I was pushing like hell" in this video actually. At the moment he approached this corner he was doomed, throttle or not, it was inevitable. The problem is that he overshoot the previous one. Stupid mistake no matter how You look at it. Quite surprising as he has very detailed pace notes as far as I'm aware, he just seem keen to that kind of mistakes sometimes.

Sorry thats wrong - Breen says 'IF I was was pushing like hell I could understanding it (going off)...'

He was confirming that he was going well, not pushing and had a good feeling with the car and did not throw the car off by going too hard.

[PLuto]

Lefebvre continue, but with big delay, I think he will be excluded...

[dimviii]

till now all drivers have completed ss16 are 32 to 42 sec faster.
Tlustak 1min 10 sec with pirellis vs morning pass from the stage.

[dimviii]

SS16] Arena Königswiesen 2
Jaromir TARABUS (SKODA)
"It was okay but are tyres are in difficult (worn) condition. Difficult to stay on the road. Two long stages today and it will be hard."

[SS16] Arena Königswiesen 2
Alexey LUKYANUK (FORD)
"He (Raoux) started in front of us... The snow is melting a lot and the grip in places is getting better and better. Our studs are wearing a lot."


Lukyanuk now 36,1 from Tarabus and 2 long stages

[WUff1]

4:20 penalty for Lefebvre

Raoux short of retiring, very slowly.

[dimviii]

Raoux short of retiring, very slowly.

SS16] Arena Königswiesen 2
Jean-Michel RAOUX (FORD)
"We have a problem with the car, the pressure with the water is low and we have alarms."

[RICARDO75]

Still no Lefebvre

[Mirek]

Now he finished the stage in rather good time.

[RICARDO75]

Short stage :)

[mousti]

Still no Lefebvre

Had a little issue. We solved it but we're out of delay. We have to retire. Nice experience for the future anyway... @CitroenRacing @FIAERC

According to his penalty he was 26 minutes too late.

[RICARDO75]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WykITUyAE

[dimviii]

Stéphane Lefebvre [Official]
17 min · · Modified
*
A technical problem (belt) forced us to abandon.
It was not much and we were able to repair the ES between 14 and 15 to compete in the end of the loop without taking risks and gain experience.
But we're out of time now. It's a shame, but it was still a great experience that will serve us in the future ... certainly
Thank you to all the team for their excellent work!

[WUff1]

Aisttal stage according to Botka very high speed. Probably means less snow.

[mousti]

Lukyanuk almost closed the gap between Tarabus and him, expect him to take 3rd on the final stage.

[WUff1]

As always some position change on the Aisttal stage. Tarabus is short of tyres he said.

[mousti]

And Kajto will probably win all stages of this rally :D

[WUff1]

Neither rallyebase nor FIA ERC live timing seem OK, Lefebvre still listed in both of them. No bulletin out considering Lefebvre by now, too.

[Mirek]

He will be excluded in service park I guess.

[Rallyper]

Impressive rally so far from Kajto and Lukyanuk! They should do fine after some rallies in WRC as well. Let´s hope that´ll be the case.

[Jarek Z]

And Kajto will probably win all stages of this rally :D

Has something like that ever happened in the history of European Championship? Does anybody know?

[rage82]

I don't think so! Loeb has won all stages in Corse 2005 but in WRC!

[makinen_fan]

Has something like that ever happened in the history of European Championship? Does anybody know?

It depends how far back you want to go. If I remember correctly Schwarz won all stages in Cyprus rally in 1996 and Holowczyc in 1997. Maybe also Fiorio in 92 and 93. But all were with virtually no competition.

[WUff1]

Kajto and Lukas (if he´s able to start) are strong favorites for Rally Liepaja too, even if Breen performs better there, which I´m sure of (podiums in 2013 and 2014).

[WUff1]

Now Lefebvre is finally listed as excluded.

[rallyfiend]

It depends how far back you want to go. If I remember correctly Schwarz won all stages in Cyprus rally in 1996 and Holowczyc in 1997. Maybe also Fiorio in 92 and 93. But all were with virtually no competition.

There doesn't seem to be much competition here, either!

[Mirek]

New video from Eurosport. Nice action but some shitty tutstuts music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WykITUyAE

[WUff1]

There doesn't seem to be much competition here, either!

It won´t be much different in Latvia, with Skoda still missing. It´s not the fault of the rally, that Breen and also Lefebvre didn´t show a good performance here, too. Especially from Lefebvre I had expected more.

[Mirek]

Yes, on paper the competition wasn't that bad but nobody expected Breen and Lefevbre to be nowhere near the pace of Kajetanowicz or Lukyanuk. The new tyre rules obviously didn't help either (Baumschlager, Pech)...

[sindroms]

It won´t be much different in Latvia, with Skoda still missing. It´s not the fault of the rally, that Breen and also Lefebvre didn´t show a good performance here, too. Especially from Lefebvre I had expected more.

Liepaja is much more familiar event/surface for Breen I. But I don't think too, he will manage to be in equal pace compare to Lukyanuk (if he will be there).

[RS]

I have enjoyed this rally but it could have been better if Breen had turned up and at least Lappi was here.

Lefebrve for sure wasn't good but it was rather a tricky event to make the R5 debut on.

Latvia should be good if Lukyanuk gets an R5 car for there.

[mousti]

If his co believes in him he could drive alot of rallies. He is a former minister in Ukraine and I think he has quite good funds.

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[Mirek]

If his co believes in him he could drive alot of rallies. He is a former minister in Ukraine and I think he has quite good funds.

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I think that Lukyanuk will continue with his normal co-driver Arnautov.


Lefebrve for sure wasn't good but it was rather a tricky event to make the R5 debut on.

Lefevbre drove Wales with R5.

[Rallyper]

Lukyanuk finished the last stage. Podium for him, for sure. Very good!!!

[WUff1]

Also Hirschi surpassing Tlustak.

[RICARDO75]

I think that Lukyanuk will continue with his normal co-driver Arnautov.



Lefevbre drove Wales with R5.

And also in Spain

[WUff1]

I think that Lukyanuk will continue with his normal co-driver Arnautov.



And probably Evo X I suppose?

[miniwintz]

Ever since Finland 2013 I can't stop being amazed by Lukyanuk. Unknown car on unknown surface, serious mechanical issues on SS1 and yet here he is, on the podium.
Crossing my fingers he can do Liepaja and more this year. Hopefully Finland in WRC2...

[PLuto]

Kajto didnt win last stage...

[makinen_fan]

Lefevbre drove Wales with R5.

And was far from impressive there as well.

Lukyanuk is 30s faster than Tarabus, great run from him. I hope he gets more chances in the future! Totally worth the podium place. And managed to forbid Kajto from winning all the stages!!

Great win from him, although not a lot of competition, he drove perfectly.

[Mirek]

Lukyanuk took the last stage from Kajto and prevents him from winning all stages. Anyway Kajto was on his own league on this rally!

[Rallyper]

Lukyanuk won last stage!

[WUff1]

Maybe Kajto went for safe. He knows this infamous last stage.

[Rallyper]

Ever since Finland 2013 I can't stop being amazed by Lukyanuk. Unknown car on unknown surface, serious mechanical issues on SS1 and yet here he is, on the podium.
Crossing my fingers he can do Liepaja and more this year. Hopefully Finland in WRC2...

LAst stage tells us he has guts as well. WRC for Alexey!!! Good performance from Kajto of course!

[lewalcindor]

Kajto was way too far in the lead to provide the potential for dramatic last stage overtakes as in the previous two Janner Rallyes (Kopecky and Kubica in 2013 and 2014, respectively). But I suppose that Lukyanuk's run to the podium sort of counts, even if it did feel inevitable given how much he was chopping into Tarabus' lead in the other stages.

[PLuto]

LAst stage tells us he has guts as well. WRC for Alexey!!! Good performance from Kajto of course!

For his driving style is better to stay in ERC...

[RS]

Brilliant drive by Kajto. Also I feel all of the top 4 did a good job. Massive gaps this time but still an interesting rally nonetheless.

[dimviii]

For his driving style is better to stay in ERC...

in an interview at stage stop he said that he tries to change his driving style.Probably he knows what he has to do.
from videos i saw till now from Janner sometimes he manages to drive different,sometimes not.
But its too early to judge him,let him drive some other rallies,and we will see.

Congrats to Kajto.Well deserved win.
Congrats to Pirelli too,well deserved win for them also.

[WUff1]

... and Raoux snapped 10th position from Ogryzek

Congrats to the top 4 drivers!

Biggest dissapointment as I already wrote Breen and Lefebvre - OK Breen was early retirement, but Lefebvre never came near podium and didn´t shine on a single stage.
Breen said afterwards that he think´s he couldn´t have won this rally even if he didn´t retire, and looking at his stage times today this seems logical.

[RICARDO75]

If Martin Fischerlehner is among the top 10, must be for the last day in its inverted position. We need to wait for 20 cars to know the outcome of the fifth driver on overall position! This is stupid!
In Austria it was just one case but, already in Latvia I'm pretty sure it's going to be complicated with other non-priority drivers that for sure, will be among the first 10.

[stefanvv]

Long video from yesterday - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5KArnSi0k

Congrats to Kajto, excellent flawless ride. Excellent debut in ERC R5 for Lukyanuk as well, not easy Rally to start with, adjusting car setup & his driving style, professional work from him. Hopefully we see more R5 for him in ERC this year. Congrats to the other 2 in top 4 as well. Great Rally.

[Mirek]

If Martin Fischerlehner is among the top 10, must be for the last day in its inverted position. We need to wait for 20 cars to know the outcome of the fifth driver on overall position! This is stupid!
In Austria it was just one case but, already in Latvia I'm pretty sure it's going to be complicated with other non-priority drivers that for sure, will be among the first 10.

From some point of view it is stupid, from other it is not. The goal of registration is to attract more regulars and to make them register ES needs to offer something. From spectator's point of view it's not optimal but it has a reason. Also the registration is not so expensive.

[Jarek Z]

New video from Eurosport. Nice action but some shitty tutstuts music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WykITUyAE

Oh my God, even the word "shitty" is a compliment to such music :/
But the views are good!

[EstWRC]

Amazing performance from Kajito and Lukyanuk, especially Kajito, ! Lukyanuk must get more rallies this year, i say MUST:D!

Dissapointments Lefebvre and Breen, especially Breen.

[Jarek Z]

From some point of view it is stupid, from other it is not.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. It is idotic to have two rallies in one and in my opinion there are no other points of view :)

[Jarek Z]

Kajto didnt win last stage...

Yes, that is my biggest sporting disappointment of the year 2015 so far! :)

[RICARDO75]

From some point of view it is stupid, from other it is not. The goal of registration is to attract more regulars and to make them register ES needs to offer something. From spectator's point of view it's not optimal but it has a reason. Also the registration is not so expensive.

Of course but, at least on the last day, who was in the top 10 should be on his inverted position. Imagine Václav Pech leading on Barum and just go on the road after 40 priority cars.

[dimviii]

Just for the record Baumschlagers total time was half minute in front of Consani

[Mirek]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. It is idotic to have two rallies in one and in my opinion there are no other points of view :)

I didn't speak about two rallies. Fisherlehner was part of the same ERC rally. He just started later because he was not registered for the championship. He is still classified. That's different thing.


Of course but, at least on the last day, who was in the top 10 should be on his inverted position. Imagine Václav Pech leading on Barum and just go on the road after 40 priority cars.

Of course, it can happen and possibly will happen with some drivers but in case of Pech I'm quite sure he will register.

[ASRTmedia]

Lucas received third Colim McRae Flat Out Trophy!!

[Jarek Z]

Lucas received third Colim McRae Flat Out Trophy!!

Are you joking? Do they give this prize for winning the last stage or what?

[RICARDO75]

I didn't speak about two rallies. Fisherlehner was part of the same ERC rally. He just started later because he was not registered for the championship. He is still classified. That's different thing.



Of course, it can happen and possibly will happen with some drivers but in case of Pech I'm quite sure he will register.

In my view, it was important to make an exception and review this point in the regulation. There will be rallies that will be tricky with some non-priority among the first 10.
Pech was an example, but I don't know if Cherain and Loix will pay 3.000 euros, or even Moura in the Azores and many others in other countries.

[Vladik]

Are you joking? Do they give this prize for winning the last stage or what?

Colin McRae IRC Flat Out Trophy is presented to the most spectacular driver who best embodies the spirit of the rallying legend during rally

[RICARDO75]

Colin McRae IRC Flat Out Trophy is presented to the most spectacular driver who best embodies the spirit of the rallying legend during rally

I'm not Polish or Russian :) but, I think the trophy should be to Kajto. What he did during these two days was impressive.

[Jarek Z]

Colin McRae IRC Flat Out Trophy is presented to the most spectacular driver who best embodies the spirit of the rallying legend during rally

So that means Kajto? :)

[stefanvv]

Kajto - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixSVzfID1uE

[Vladik]

So that means Kajto? :)

Sorry, but honestly, I haven't seen anything simililar to McRae style from Kajto's side.

[Jarek Z]

Sorry, but honestly, I haven't seen anything simililar to McRae style from Kajto's side.

So you mean McRae's style was winning one single stage on the whole rally? ;)

[stefanvv]

Another nice video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRooQRozr68

[Vladik]

So you mean McRae's style was winning one single stage on the whole rally? ;)

I don't think that thing is in that stage win. I'm sure there was other reasons :) But I agree, Kajto did a great rally and he deserved this win. Hope to see him in Estonia ;)

[stefanvv]

Kajto had great drive, but it wasn't necessary to be "flat-out". Practically he was competing with himself mostly

[Jarek Z]

Yeah, it's not that important anyway. Points are important in this sport :)
I wish us all a great season in the ERC! :)

[John Williams]

Dissapointments Lefebvre and Breen, especially Breen.

As far as Lefebrve is concerned it not a 5 minute thing to go from 2WD to 4WD. He will get there soon and I believe he'll be a future Champion.

Breen or, more likely, Peugeot's mistake was not testing for this event.

[mousti]

Mostly that award doesnt go to the winner. Sometimes it goes to a local or young pilot who did superb during the rally or someone who is spectacular plus very fast or a fast guy but had bad luck and couldnt fight for victory. Thats why Abbring got 3 times I think that award last year. And the flatout of the year award.

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[WUff1]

Another nice video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRooQRozr68

From 3:59 on big off of Neubauer at SS5 - his last stage.

[PLuto]

Lukas will start on Rally Liepaja...

[makinen_fan]

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This should be a photo from the photographer in front of the camera

[dimviii]

Lukas will start on Rally Liepaja...

with r5?

[PLuto]

with r5?

yes

[dimviii]

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[RICARDO75]

STANDINGS AFTER JÄNNER:

ERC: 1º K. Kajetanowicz (39); 2º R. Consani (28); 3º A. Lukyanuk (25); 4º J. Tarabus (22); 5º M. Fischerlehner (14); 6º A. Tlust'ák e J. Hirschi (8); 8º V. Štajf (4); 9º C. Breen (3); 10º S. Lefebvre, J.M. Raoux e D. Botka (2)

ERC 2: 1º V. Štajf (38); 2º D. Botka (29); 3º K. Hideg (7); 4º Ł. Kabaciński (4)

ERC 3: 1º S. Ogrysek (39); 2º S. Tempestini (30); 3º K. Klaus (23); 4º R. Pita (20); 5º S. Varkonyi (16); 6º G. Sikorski (11); 7º O. Bisaha (4)

ICE MASTER: 1º K. Kajetanowicz (176); 2º A. Lukyanuk (100); 3º J. Tarabus (57); 4º R. Consani (50); 5º S. Lefebvre (15); 6º C. Breen (11); 7º M. Fischerlehner (3); 8º H. Neubauer e J. Hirschi (1)

[dimviii]

Consani at interview said that he used only 8 tyres for all the rally.

another point we have to say is that even the tyres were for a fwd and lighter car,and even the rally was with asphalt parts there wasn t any flat tyre with pirelli tyres.At least the first 3 crews.Consani had one but was from an off.

[AMSS]

Consani at interview said that he used only 8 tyres for all the rally.

another point we have to say is that even the tyres were for a fwd and lighter car,and even the rally was with asphalt parts there wasn t any flat tyre with pirelli tyres.At least the first 3 crews.Consani had one but was from an off.

Well this round clearly went to Pirelli very good tactical thinking to put those old spec monte snow tires for the top runners. Michelin again went to a gun fight with knives so no surprise they were so much slower. They will know to bring correct tires next time around for sure��

[Mirek]

Are those Pirelli tyres really somehow related to Monte? As far as I understand they use shape developed for 2WD cars. Were they used by them on Monte? I don't remember seeing such tyres there myself (on 15x6,5" rims). 4WD have used 18" tyres in Monte for many years and before they used 16" narrow ones.

[AMSS]

To be honest I don`t know, the tread pattern(as seen in pictures earlier in this thread) looks similar to old style 16" narrow monte(or Andros) just thought they might have had same as 15" for 2wd cars but this is looong time ago. At least that pattern hasn`t been used as a snow/ice tire in Scandinavia to my knowledge ever( or very very long ago if it has..)

[hari]

Gallery Jänner Rallye 2015:

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_erc_jaenner_rallye_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/j15ff.jpg

[Wim_Impreza]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. It is idotic to have two rallies in one and in my opinion there are no other points of view :)

Indeed. Unfortunately there are more and more important rallies that have two rallies in one.