32. Internationale Jänner Rallye 2015

[bluuford]

Hi all, I have been busy with local storms here in Estonia (just came from the beach, did some measurements). I also looked to Jänner Rally weather and it still looks very nice. Little bit + degrees on lower elevations (today) but should be - degrees on most of the stages during most of the rally. Seems that there is still plenty of new snow to come, my estimate is approximately +15 cm snow from now until Sunday evening, most of it should arrive today in the evening, light snow on Sunday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen on recce says 'perfect snow conditions'...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6XW3wYIQAATINj.jpg:large

[dimviii]

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[WUff1]

Pics from Certyne I suppose (they´re not from Freistadt service park)? So Raoux, Breen, Hirschi, Tempestini, Consani there.


EDIT: stages are partly snow free now (strong thawing) , but ice is playing a bigger role, at least in forests.

[Mirek]

It's no problem in my opinion. In next days it shall be snowing every day.

Missing drivers according to PLuto: Pech, Haslauer, Guryča and Askar

[nafpaktos]

Wrc drivers will be jealous of janner rally weather conditions since i dont think they will find such conditions to monte.if all the stages are full of snow it will be easier than monte where you dont know what you will find on the next corner.

P.S just saw the pickems and noticed that most of the contenders have chosen kajto for first place.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Beautiful conditions...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6a_oUACMAAauth.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

...
Missing drivers according to PLuto: Pech, Haslauer, Guryča and Askar


So Baumschlager present :confused:

[Mirek]

Yes, of course but unfortunately he starts only in national field.

[dimviii]

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[tommeke_B]

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[mousti]

Lukyanuk on Pirelli's it seems.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lefebvre DS3 R5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6cFb8cCYAMtRVk.jpg:large

[sindroms]

Lukyanuk on Pirelli's it seems.

"Lukyanyuk, is an ambassador for tire [Pirelli] company in the world of motorsport and has the support of all motorsport competitions." (from his site - http://www.alexeylukyanuk.com/)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Also Alex Lukyanyuk on Janner Rallye:
'For me, this race is very important because it is possible to gain additional experience in the car class R5. The track is located in a mountainous area, will be changeable weather, dry and wet asphalt, ice, snow - all these conditions we do not know...'

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Actually it is snowing heavily :-)))))))

[Mirek]

The more snow and the more homogenous conditions the higher chances of Lukyanuk. I think the weather looks good for him.

[makinen_fan]

Video from the tests:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=779111312124945

[PLuto]

It looks like Pirelli dont have proper 15" snow tyres with small studs.

[Mirek]

That could be very big problem for Lukyanuk and most likely a reason why he didn't test any narrow tyres in the test in CZ.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

It looks like Pirelli dont have proper 15" snow tyres with small studs.

That's why Baumschlager is starting in the national field.....

[Tom206wrc]

Shakedown action :bounce:
http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=779111312124945

[WRC1]

Shakedown action :bounce:
http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=779111312124945

tom: shakedown starts TOMORROW at 9:30!!!

this video is from a test, only 5-6 teams took part...and it was held on wet tarmac, shakedown tomorrow will most probably happen in real winter conditions...snow/ice ;)

[WRC1]

It looks like Pirelli dont have proper 15" snow tyres with small studs.

what are we talking about since 2 month??

did you really think Baumschlager entered in National Class just for Fun??? there ARE no narrow 15" snow tires from Pirelli.

Baumschlager has proven more than once that he can fight for win with everybody at Jänner Rallye, he simply can not start in ERC field under Winter Conditions because his Tire Manufactor dont have the right tires...

[PLuto]

Rumours from service - Pirelli suppliers are suggesting their drivers for big snow to use Michelin...

[PLuto]

All priority drivers are in Freistadt. So tomorrow on qualify we will see 22 crews.

[hari]

Rumours from service - Pirelli suppliers are suggesting their drivers for big snow to use Michelin...

What else should they use? No other types from other manufacturers available.

[WRC1]

Rumours from service - Pirelli suppliers are suggesting their drivers for big snow to use Michelin...


BIIG shame on eurosport and FIA, professional teams as BRR told them since september 2014, that there will be a big tire problem with the existing rules if there will be snow at Jänner Rallye....now we have snow and what is the solution...go home or drive michelin....f.....g french mafia...

[Tom206wrc]

tom: shakedown starts TOMORROW at 9:30!!!

this video is from a test, only 5-6 teams took part...and it was held on wet tarmac, shakedown tomorrow will most probably happen in real winter conditions...snow/ice ;)


Oops thanks for the correction ;)

[RICARDO75]

Test Jänner Rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clrSj7bHrgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q40ks8Uq24

[Jarek Z]

Shakedown action :bounce:
http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=779111312124945

I'm sorry, but I have to officially report the first technical problem for Peugeot 208 T16 in 2015. At 0:40 the rear left brake light doesn't work in Breen's car ;)

I hope it's not a bad sign for Peugeot in 2015 :)

[Ucci]

Consani looks very brave....

[John Williams]

Consani looks very brave....

I was thinking exactly the same. Looks very committed for just a PET.

[nafpaktos]

BIIG shame on eurosport and FIA, professional teams as BRR told them since september 2014, that there will be a big tire problem with the existing rules if there will be snow at Jänner Rallye....now we have snow and what is the solution...go home or drive michelin....f.....g french mafia...

Pirelli couldnt introduce proper tyres????baumslanger in the national field will have proper tyres??

[Fast Eddie WRC]

tom: shakedown starts TOMORROW at 9:30!!!

this video is from a test, only 5-6 teams took part...and it was held on wet tarmac, shakedown tomorrow will most probably happen in real winter conditions...snow/ice ;)

Yes, video just a test as confirmed by Breen:
'Finished the recce and had some fun in the mud for the afternoon! Not ideal for the test but we are ready!'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6cuUgLIMAA5CfR.jpg:large

[nafpaktos]

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[Mirek]

Pirelli couldnt introduce proper tyres????baumslanger in the national field will have proper tyres??

Baumschlager will use 16" tyres which are not allowed in ERC. Those were produced since forever so yes, Pirelli has them available.

[Mirek]

BIIG shame on eurosport and FIA, professional teams as BRR told them since september 2014, that there will be a big tire problem with the existing rules if there will be snow at Jänner Rallye....now we have snow and what is the solution...go home or drive michelin....f.....g french mafia...

As everything even this is a double edge sword. It can be as well said shame on Pirelli as everybody was informed one year a go that Jänner 2015 will be run only with 15" tyres. Everybody knew it - be it tyre manufacturers or teams.

[nafpaktos]

The one i don't understand is WHY pirelli doesn't have appropriate 15'' tyres for erc field and michelin has.

[Mirek]

They probably decided not to prepare tyres which would be sold in marginal numbers (and in case of no snow in Jänner they would not not be sold at all). Another question is why there are different tyre rules in Jänner and RMC when these two are the only FIA international events held in similar conditions?

[nafpaktos]

Amateurs both fia and pirelli for the reasons you've just wrote Mirek.i would like also to see what tyre choices will do drivers shod on pirelli when the others will use the proper tyres.if you dont have contract(privateers)with pirelli no problem you just switch to michelin for this rally.

[Mirek]

SMS from PLuto:


We are on SS3. There is an ice layer with fresh ten centimeters of snow on top in just one and half an hour of snowing. Problems to go through even with 4WD

[bluuford]

And the snowfall still continues as I can see from the local radar (at least hour or two). 10cm is nothing, Tell Pluto to buy proper 15 inch snow tyres :-P

[Co-FIN]

Looking forward to see Lukynyaks lines on Jänner.. In last erc they were a bot wide :-) (offtopic) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bUU1UUDTgiM


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[Jarek Z]

Is PLuto on Michelins or Pirellis? :D

[John Williams]

Looking forward to see Lukynyaks lines on Jänner.. In last erc they were a bot wide :-) (offtopic) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bUU1UUDTgiM


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Does Alexey's 'We Want Peace' graphic refer to a particular conflict or is it just a general statement of sentiment?

[John Williams]

Is PLuto on Michelins or Pirellis? :D

Pluto loves DMack, I've heard.

[Co-FIN]

Does Alexey's 'We Want Peace' graphic refer to a particular conflict or is it just a general statement of sentiment?

It's about situation in Ukraine.


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[dimviii]

nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q40ks8Uq24

photos
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1442526995989166.1073741838.140270304997156 1&type=1

[dimviii]

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more
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and more
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[nafpaktos]

Pug still doesn't like rear bumper.i think they should have solved this issue.

[dimviii]

they dont install them at tests.

[PLuto]

Times from free practice online: http://rally-base.com/2015/32-int-janner-rallye-2015/?ssId=2763

[tommeke_B]

The road conditions must change very quick when you see those times from first run appearing on the screen.

[rage82]

Consani again very fast in his second run and Breen with same time as in his first run. Maybe Consani is very fast on snow or the others are waiting the qualification to show their real speed.

[Tom206wrc]

Amazing times by Consani indeed :eek:

Strange that someone like Raoux(gentleman driver)is that faster than Breen and Lefèbvre :confused:

[dupanton]

We haven't seen everyone in practice?

Consani 207 S2000 1.29.2 1.24.8
Kajetanowicz Fiesta R5 1.36.4 1.31.7
Tarabus Fabia S2000 1.41.4 1.33.3
Tlustak Fabia S2000 1.44.4 1.37.0
Neubauer Fiesta S2000 1.43.3 1.38.6
Stajf Impreza 1.42.5 1.39.5
Raoux Fiesta R5 1.43.1 1.39.6
Lukyanuk Fiesta R5 1.40.8
Hideg Evo IX 1.42.9 2.02.6
Botka Evo IX R4 1.52.4 1.43.1
Breen 208 R5 1.55.1 1.44.9
Lefebvre DS3 R5 1.54.9 1.45.5
Hirschi 208 R5 1.54.2 1.46.5
Turk 208 R2 1.58.8 1.52.3
Tempestini DS3 R3t 2.07.1 1.55.4
Ogryzek 208 R2 1.55.8
Klausz Clio R3 2.04.3
Sikorski Civic 2.16.3 2.05.1
Varkonyi Civic
Kabacinski Impreza N14
Bisaha Clio R3
Pita 208 R2

[dimviii]

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[PLuto]

We haven't seen everyone in practice?


They are still going...

[rage82]

Lukyanuk is second fastest in his second try with 1.31.0

[dupanton]

They are still going...

Now Breen has completed QS, so practice is done no?
21 cars in practice 1 and 18 in practice 2

[rage82]

Awful sound from the radio

[rage82]

Kajetan is faster with 1.22 for the moment and Lukyanuk with 1.26

[mousti]

Lefebvre and Breen not on the right tyres.

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[rage82]

Tlustak missing on QS. Pluto?

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Now he's on the stop line

[mousti]

So Kajto wins QS in front of Consani and Lukyanuk :). Dont think someone will be faster..

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[rage82]

I know it's too early to speak but Lukyanuk with less experience with that type of car and I believe with less experience with conditions like that from the top drivers is 3-rd in QS. Let's hope he can finish all the stages and get noticed by some manufactarer or at least to secure some other rallies in R5.

[dimviii]

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[Tom206wrc]

Why did Rok Turk retire in QS ??? :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen: '7th in Qualifying, difficult to find a rhythm..long rally '

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kajto quickest...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6f-OxtCcAEquR1.jpg:large

[tommeke_B]

So 3 quickest drivers are normally "Pirelli-drivers" who were on Michelin now?

[PLuto]

Breen: '7th in Qualifying, difficult to find a rhythm..long rally '

Breen and Lefebvre had wrong tyres (too wide). Breen changed for qualify to the correct one.

[PLuto]

So 3 quickest drivers are normally "Pirelli-drivers" who were on Michelin now?

So, all top three drivers Kajetanowicz, Consani and Lukyanuk were going on narrow 15" Pirelli tyres...

[WUff1]

What about Turk and Bisaha? Are they finally out or are they able to start tomorrow?

[PLuto]

What about Turk and Bisaha? Are they finally out or are they able to start tomorrow?

Bisaha didnt started to stage, because he didnt have proper tyres from Michelin in time. For sure he will start tomorrow. Regarding Turk, he retired on stage, no more info yet.

[liposh]

BTW: Finally it seems Pirelli tyres are faster than Michelin.

[Mirek]

So, all top three drivers Kajetanowicz, Consani and Lukyanuk were going on narrow 15" Pirelli tyres...

So Pirelli has the tyres. Where did the info about their non-availability came from?

[PLuto]

So Pirelli has the tyres. Where did the info about their non-availability came from?

From Baumschlager?

[irish_tiger]

Kajto quickest...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6f-OxtCcAEquR1.jpg:large

Are they Pirelli tyres on that car ? look like Michelin's to me ????

[Mirek]

From Baumschlager?

It was You who said that Pirelli suggests to use narrow Michelin...

As irish_tiger wrote. It's Michelin on Kajto's car on the photo.

[makinen_fan]

Looks like Michelin logo on the tyres to me too.

[liposh]

We need at least one real eyewitness :-D

[JHvP]

Ok, I see Matador :P

[sindroms]

Are they Pirelli tyres on that car ? look like Michelin's to me ????

Pirreli for Kajto - at least in service area :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6gNqreCYAAa60_.png:large

[dimviii]

Pirreli for Kajto - at least in service area :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6gNqreCYAAa60_.png:large

i doubt he used these tyres ,at least these wide ones and be faster.


@Pluto and all forumers are present at Janner,please take a look at service parks or stage starts-stop to watch what tyres have install top crews.it will be usefull to make some conclusions.

[dimviii]

BTW: Finally it seems Pirelli tyres are faster than Michelin.

Pirelli always had good tyres for any surface.Also Pirelli has a better construction/manufacture method than Michelin.

[RS]

Pirelli always had good tyres for any surface.Also Pirelli has a better construction/manufacture method than Michelin.

Why do all works teams use Michelin then? Commercial reasons?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@TACrally: 'Pirelli supported driver @Kajto_pl had Michelin's on his Fiesta R5 this morning..'

[WUff1]

I´ll have a look at the car presentation in the town center of Freistadt in the late afternoon. But maybe for official presentation Pirelli drivers again use Pirellis - we´ll see.

[timlord22]

From Rok Turk Facebook page. Apparently there were some small technical problems with the car. The team is already fixing it and they are optimistic.

[Mad cat jnr]

Don't forget any tyres used in QS are from the overall rally allocation, so if they have used them for QS they will probably have to use them again at some point. Tyres for non-competitive sections don't coumt so they can use what they wish for the ceremonial start tonight...

[mousti]

U can always buy some tyres for tomorrow :D https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6gRCJ-CUAAifFh.png:large

[dimviii]

Why do all works teams use Michelin then? Commercial reasons?

last years all they efforts were at F1.

[WUff1]

Rallye bulletin No 4: Co drivers are allowed to wear appropriate shoes during the rally due to the snow conditions and don´t need to wear homologated racing shoes.

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.795586433821887.1073741887.113211828726021&type=1

[br21]

on picture from the stage Kajto has 15inch Michelin snow tires with studs. On picture from service he has 18 inch winter Pirelli tires, probably without studs, but there is also option of those tires with studs. But for sure they will work much worse than those 15 inch ones.

[AMSS]

Pirelli always had good tyres for any surface.Also Pirelli has a better construction/manufacture method than Michelin.

What on earth are you smoking. Michelin has almost always been the benchmark and still is. Pirellis winter studding method us better but their rubber is so much worse the stud starts to live alot when warming up so it doesn't compete with Michelin anyway. Except perhaps on pure gravel like Sweden 2014..

[PLuto]

on picture from the stage Kajto has 15inch Michelin snow tires with studs. On picture from service he has 18 inch winter Pirelli tires, probably without studs, but there is also option of those tires with studs. But for sure they will work much worse than those 15 inch ones.

I have seen on my eyes car in parc ferme after qualify and there were narrow Pirelli tyres on the car...

[dimviii]

Michelin has almost always been the benchmark and still is.
Νο.

[mousti]

Kajto definately on Michelin's this morning, no good pictures of Consani and Lukyanuk yet.

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10896916_795586603821870_1065645729874982591_n.jpg ?oh=01e1fa5322961b485748e07667ed0d34&oe=5542C23B

[dimviii]

I have seen on my eyes car in parc ferme after qualify and there were narrow Pirelli tyres on the car...


Kajto definately on Michelin's this morning, no good pictures of Consani and Lukyanuk yet.

probably different runs.

[AMSS]

Νο.

Ask anybody involved in the sport on professional level and you'll see. That's just how it is, I have nothing against Pirelli but their always that last step behind.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Ask anybody involved in the sport on professional level and you'll see. That's just how it is, I have nothing against Pirelli but their always that last step behind.
i dont have to ask anybody,have tested both at gravel and asphalt for more than 20 years(rallies,circuits and hillclimbs)

[tommeke_B]

Pirelli may behind on some surfaces, but not everywhere. Rossetti's and Consani's times in Ypres last year prove you wrong.

[AMSS]

i dont have to ask anybody,have tested both at gravel and asphalt for more than 20 years(rallies,circuits and hillclimbs)

You must have a good sponsorship deal with Pirelli or be the official importer for Greece because no one would say such thing otherwise...��
The only time I recall Pirellis being better on wrc level was 2003 but Michelin corrected that in 2004 and have been better ever since. Of course there can be differences on different gravel types but in general Michelin has always been the better, on every test I've been on and on every test my collegues have been to. But this is not the thread to discuss this on..

[Mirek]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10898110_825573144148340_584175735884316377_n.png? oh=f571a3a09812fcc201d9f32799ea1a9b&oe=5527C70C&__gda__=1429301285_1471d222443fb7fdf75592decbb0eaf 8

Shows that Lefevbre at least once drove on proper tyres and still was very slow.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4VYNbuKQEI&feature=youtu.be video from shakedown

[dimviii]

@AMSS you cant say that pirelli is better from michelin or the opposite.At some types of asphalt you can find pirelli better,in an other you can find michelin.At next year(or at next batch at 2-4 months where they change something)you can find the opposite result.What is happening now can change at next evolution of tyre either for Pirelli or Michelin.Plenty of times changes are happening without any mark on the tyre,or an announcement from the tyre manufacture.
the only right you said is that i have worked for them.But trust me my opinion is honest.

[dimviii]

Pirelli may behind on some surfaces, but not everywhere.
same for Michelin.


Rossetti's and Consani's times in Ypres last year prove you wrong.
Lukyanuk at Finland? Baumshlager? Andreucci? Plenty of examples.

[tommeke_B]

Of course, but Ypres is the example I had in mind directly. Rox was driving a Fabia S2000 which was good, but for sure not better than the one of Loix, still Rossetti had better stage-times. I was told that at the finishes of the stages you could see a big difference in tyre-wear. The Michelins surface was flat, while the Pirelli looked like chunks of rubber were "eaten" out of it, which indicated they got much warmer. Anyway most drivers prefer Michelin, they built a great reputation during the years.

But this is off-topic, wouldn't it be a good idea to start a seperate "tyre-topic" on this forum?

[dimviii]

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[PLuto]

I was just asking directly to Kajto - he was doing both free practice runs on Michelin and qualify on Pirelli.

[mousti]

And that directly closed the gap between him and Consani. Robert did all 3 runs with Pirelli's then. Thanks for clarification Pluto :)

At the moment around Freistadt..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6goTvdCQAEeVhJ.png:large

[PLuto]

66 cars passed scrutineering

[dimviii]

I was just asking directly to Kajto - he was doing both free practice runs on Michelin and qualify on Pirelli.

ask him his opinion between them Pluto, next time you find a chance.(and NOT only him)

[Mirek]

He was faster in the Pirelli run than in Michelin runs (compared to all-time Pirelli Consani). May have something to do with non-optimal setup for Michelins of course.

We shall not forget one very important point which could not be tested in shakedown and that is how well will both tyres work over long distance. There is an asphalt under the snow and loosing studs is a very important phenomena on these stages.

[dimviii]

May have something to do with non-optimal setup for Michelins of course.

yes this can be A reason,after rally finish we will have a much ''clearer'' view.We just have to know for sure what tyres they were running at which stage.

[dimviii]

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2015/events/27_Austria/shakedown/big2/big2_637_Lukyanuk.jpg
http://www.fiaerc.com/photogallery/list/id/27

[nafpaktos]

they dont install them at tests.

Yes i know this from last year, but i was expecticting this year to be changed this situation.it is not serious for a manufacturer to detach the bumper for the tests.i was expecting something different this year,if they still have problems with that simple thing i dont know what is going on with the mechanical parts.

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-cult.de/rallye_2015/jaenner/jaenner.html

[Mirek]

Yes i know this from last year, but i was expecticting this year to be changed this situation.it is not serious for a manufacturer to detach the bumper for the tests.i was expecting something different this year,if they still have problems with that simple thing i dont know what is going on with the mechanical parts.

You don't seem to understand. They are not attached because it's easy to destroy them in test. It's not so uncommon to test without rear bumper with other cars as well.

[AMSS]

@AMSS you cant say that pirelli is better from michelin or the opposite.At some types of asphalt you can find pirelli better,in an other you can find michelin.At next year(or at next batch at 2-4 months where they change something)you can find the opposite result.What is happening now can change at next evolution of tyre either for Pirelli or Michelin.Plenty of times changes are happening without any mark on the tyre,or an announcement from the tyre manufacture.
the only right you said is that i have worked for them.But trust me my opinion is honest.

Yes I agree on this and it's exactly as you say! But I base my opinion not on solely pure speed on short distances but on the combination of speed and endurance in witch in my experience Michelin has always been on top. Also (when tyre rules were free) Michelin reacted alot faster to making changes. Nowadays tire manufacturers only can use some jokers/season.
But as you say on some surfaces like rough gravel and also smooth tarmac Pirelli can currently have an edge.
Michelin haven't had proper competition in the wrc for some seasons(I don't count Dmack as such) and therefore haven't had to make much development so now when Pirelli is coming back we will again see some proper competition also between tire manufacturers.

[dimviii]

on pirellis
http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2015/events/27_Austria/shakedown/big2/big2_082_Kajetanowicz.jpg

[Mad cat jnr]

I was just asking directly to Kajto - he was doing both free practice runs on Michelin and qualify on Pirelli.


The mark of a top class driver! Back to back testing tyres at what could be a crucial point in the rally.

[nafpaktos]

Ok Mirek get it,i thought they detach them during tests cause bumpers <leave> the car in the hard sections so they detach to save the bumpers just for the test.

[Mirek]

Another nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywnVXX2qZns

[bluuford]

I am just looking Lefebfre DS3R5 and I am surprised by the size of the exposed area of radiator. Should it be really so big with minus temperatures? I have seen many rally cars blocking some airflow during cold temperatures to keep engine temperature on optimum level but this size is really, really big... So, they have cooling problem during the summer and now they are OK when temp is 0 or little minus?

By the way, a few cm of fresh snow is expected overnight. First on the road should not be the place to be.

[dimviii]

Yes I agree on this and it's exactly as you say! But I base my opinion not on solely pure speed on short distances but on the combination of speed and endurance in witch in my experience Michelin has always been on top.
depents from the surface.


Also (when tyre rules were free) Michelin reacted alot faster to making changes.
some times yes.


But as you say on some surfaces like rough gravel and also smooth tarmac Pirelli can currently have an edge.
yes thats true,but not always.If the smooth tarmac is very abrasive,michelins are usually better,but you will find the difference only at long stages.


Michelin haven't had proper competition in the wrc for some seasons(I don't count Dmack as such) and therefore haven't had to make much development so now when Pirelli is coming back we will again see some proper competition also between tire manufacturers.

Michelin may haven t got any proper competition,but Pirelli was almost absent.Pirellis position is much more difficult at this comeback.
But while they are a much smaller company vs michelin when they want can make miracles with motorsport tyres.Their know-how is very big.
Their problem is from the targets they want the marketing people,and availability.

[dimviii]

I am just looking Lefebfre DS3R5 and I am surprised by the size of the exposed area of radiator. .

bluuford what you see at the front of the car is not only the radiator but the intercooler too.
at right is the engine radiator,at left the intercooler
http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2015/events/27_Austria/shakedown/big2/big2_079_Lefebvre.jpg

[br21]

Engine cooling is still an issue with 208/DS3 R5 cars, so probably that is the reason they are not closing the radiators.
Regarding the tires in general, like guys argued before - maybe little bit often Michelins are better but for sure there are conditions in which Pirelli works better. For sure their tarmac RE7 tire is really, really great, also in some gravel conditions their recent K8 is very good!

One thing regarding the tires on Janner is interesting for me. 15inch Michelins Kajto used during shakedown runs are those wide snow tires, lets say WRC spec, but with less and shorter studs. They are designed to fit gravel rim. Theoretically you can also fit on narrow gravel rims (6,5inch wide - so minimum allowed by regulations) the narrow snow tire - same like previously used in 16inch, but also available in 15inch. For sure in deep snow they will work better than wider ones, but it's easy to remove them from the rim, so risky to get puncture - by hitting something or when grip is good. I'm curious if Pirellis Kajto used were those narrow tires? According to what Pluto says it is true, didn't find any proper picture yet.

[stefanvv]

According to what Pluto says it is true, didn't find any proper picture yet.

May be this - http://www.rallye-cult.de/rallye_2015/jaenner/jaenner.html (pic 27)

[RICARDO75]

Video duen.hu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLU51Lblh9w

[WUff1]

All 3 drivers with Pirellis at car presentation.

Rally will be a tyre gambling for all participants. Large tarmac parts with snow slush at shakedown stage in the afternoon, but there were many runs of the stage at this time.

[PLuto]

Starting positions:

1. Kabaciński Łukasz
2. Lefebvre Stéphane
3. Hirschi Jonathan
4. Botka Dávid
5. Štajf Vojtěch
6. Tlusťák Antonín
7. Raoux Jean-Michel
8. Breen Craig
9. Hideg Krisztián
10. Consani Robert
11. Neubauer Hermann
12. Lukyanuk Alexey
13. Tarabus Jaromír
14. Kajetanowicz Kajetan

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2015/events/27_Austria/shakedown/big2/big2_077_Breen.jpg

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2015/events/27_Austria/shakedown/big2/big2_084_Lukyanuk.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Starting positions:

1. Kabaciński Łukasz
2. Lefebvre Stéphane
3. Hirschi Jonathan
4. Botka Dávid
5. Štajf Vojtěch
6. Tlusťák Antonín
7. Raoux Jean-Michel
8. Breen Craig
9. Hideg Krisztián
10. Consani Robert
11. Neubauer Hermann
12. Lukyanuk Alexey
13. Tarabus Jaromír
14. Kajetanowicz Kajetan

I wasn't expecting that the start order was mixed between the ERC 1 and ERC 2.

[PLuto]

I wasn't expecting that the start order was mixed between the ERC 1 and ERC 2.

It should be start order of best 15 crews from all priority drivers, but then they published bulletin that it is only for 4WD cars. So all 2WD cars are behind.

[hari]

Some pictures from day 1:

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_erc_jaenner_rallye_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/fs1.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnB8mJ7B900

[dimviii]

I'm curious if Pirellis Kajto used were those narrow tires? According to what Pluto says it is true, didn't find any proper picture yet.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10620706_778716342213334_5329582522022697975_n.jpg ?oh=641fe275afc824d420f97e4e832470eb&oe=5530C409&__gda__=1429468735_d73561c0c11c5c67510af25a9b36120 5
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906574_778716425546659_4662523896512875863_n.jpg ?oh=59cc75cdaebedcfc5d9d52508ac2b638&oe=5538E2B0

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.778713505546951.1073741904.450071091744529&type=1

[Mirek]

This looks like those narrow tyres.

[RICARDO75]

It should be start order of best 15 crews from all priority drivers, but then they published bulletin that it is only for 4WD cars. So all 2WD cars are behind.

It wasn't supposed to be like this?

-The 15th first time of the QS select their starting position for leg 1
-Then, in the order of the results of QS, will follow all ERC1 cars
-Then, after the last ERC1, in the order of the results of QS, will follow the ERC2 cars
-Then, after the last ERC2, in the order of the results of QS, will follow the ERC3 cars
-ERC Junior driver, following the result of QS, will start front of the other ERC3
-For leg 2, the first 10 cars will start in reverse order of the en leg one classification
-Then, will follow all the priority drivers
-Finaly will follow the non priority drivers

[PLuto]

It wasn't supposed to be like this?

-The 15th first time of the QS select their starting position for leg 1
-Then, in the order of the results of QS, will follow all ERC1 cars
-Then, after the last ERC1, in the order of the results of QS, will follow the ERC2 cars
-Then, after the last ERC2, in the order of the results of QS, will follow the ERC3 cars
-ERC Junior driver, following the result of QS, will start front of the other ERC3
-For leg 2, the first 10 cars will start in reverse order of the en leg one classification
-Then, will follow all the priority drivers
-Finaly will follow the non priority drivers

Yes, but in bulletin they changed that their starting position will select only drivers with priority FIA, ERC1 and ERC2.

[Mirek]

What You don't understand? Original text doesn't say that only 4WD crews are eligible to make a starting position pick. That was changed by bulletin which PLuto wrote about.

In reality it means that Tempestini who was 15th in QS shall have been allowed to pick position but due to the bulletin he was not. In this case it doesn't change a thing but if some 2WD was for example 10th it would.

EDIT: Pluto was faster.

[AndyRAC]

Any reason why Beppo Harrach hasn't entered?

[bluuford]

Video duen.hu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLU51Lblh9w

Here on 20 second point you can see clearly what tyres Katjo uses. Pirelli tyre marking is clearly visible, especially on the rear tyres. Yeah, I see that radiator is only on one side. I was still surprised that the hole for the airflow is extremely big.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Any reason why Beppo Harrach hasn't entered?
No sponsor.

[br21]

so it's exactly what I thought about Kajto tires. Interesting, if there will be loose snow then those tires will be faster for sure, only there's high risk of pucture...

[RICARDO75]

What You don't understand? Original text doesn't say that only 4WD crews are eligible to make a starting position pick. That was changed by bulletin which PLuto wrote about.

In reality it means that Tempestini who was 15th in QS shall have been allowed to pick position but due to the bulletin he was not. In this case it doesn't change a thing but if some 2WD was for example 10th it would.

EDIT: Pluto was faster.

Sorry Mirek. I understand what Pluto wrote. When they (ERC) referred to the first 15 in the QS, I don't think it was for all priority drivers of all classes. It is true that it is not mentioned that it's just for the ERC1, but I think they also weren't expecting to have just 9 registered drivers on top class.
Before the rally, one thing was clear after the QS for start order: 1st the ERC 1, 2nd the ERC 2, 3rd the JERC and 4th the ERC 3.
I believe they have made such a measure (to mix ERC1 with ERC2), because it's only 9 registered drivers on ERC1 + Lefebvre (FIA).

[WUff1]

There will be more snow on the stages 1-3 than on the qualifying stage. I´d expect more ice, too. So maybe Michelin studded tires are better than the Pirelli, at least on stages 2/5 and 3/6.

[WUff1]

Local drivers Haneder and Klepatsch are only eligible for national rally (both entered ERC). So of local starters there´s now only Keferböck and Fischerlehner left in ERC.

[RICARDO75]

Local drivers Haneder and Klepatsch are only eligible for national rally (both entered ERC). So of local starters there´s now only Keferböck and Fischerlehner left in ERC.

I'm confused! They are on the ERC entry list but will not appear in the ERC classification - is it?

[RICARDO75]

Tom Nesrovnal video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWC5oddZfi0&feature=em-uploademail

[Jarek Z]

Any reason why Beppo Harrach hasn't entered?

As far as I know DiTech, the comuter company that was his main sponsor, went bankrupt last year.

http://rallye-info.com/images/photos/general/2013janner/harrach1.jpg

[dimviii]

at all videos we have seen till now its clearly visible that pirelli equipped cars dont slide as much as michelin ones,not so much oversteer,and grip inside the corner.At Baumschlager runs is very easy to understant.
Lets see if will be same story tomorrow at different stages.

[mousti]

I'm confused! They are on the ERC entry list but will not appear in the ERC classification - is it?

Me too I picked Haneder for pickems..

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[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10488245_912501505438262_4245161620486617182_n.jpg ?oh=aca4bb1357b95d4e261726dcea00aa0c&oe=55256888

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.912500605438352.1073742057.155972191091201&type=1

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJPltuWT1d0

[Rallyper]

It´s gonna be minutes depending on tyre choice (brand)...

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

A very big issue could be how long the studs stay in the tyres of each brand. Especially in the first loop of stages. The first stage - Pierbach - is a very twisty stage with many hairpins. If lose your studs there you will get big problems because the next to stages are the stages with the biggest amount of snow and ice of the the rally.

[RICARDO75]

Foto Video POLT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMGPIhjh05w&feature=youtu.be

[Mirek]

There will be more snow on the stages 1-3 than on the qualifying stage. I´d expect more ice, too. So maybe Michelin studded tires are better than the Pirelli, at least on stages 2/5 and 3/6.

It shall be quite opposite. The Pirelli tyres are more narrow and therefore shall be better in real snow conditions.

[WUff1]

Shakedown times of national field:

Baumschlager 1:24.3
Wagner 1:26.6
Rigler 1:28.1

Haneder and Klepatsch didn´t pass ERC scrutineering because of their rollcage.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

According to Baumschlager the 15 inch tyres used by Kajto and Consani today are no new tyres, but tyres which were built to be used by FWD cars. Strange if this is true.

[karl59]

Please - can somebody write what was exactly wrong with Haneder´s and Klepatsch´ rollcage.

I cannot imagine what could be wrong for ERC and still be o.k. for Austrian scrutineers - especially because the Austrian scrutineers are very concerned about safety matters.

It is very important for me as I want to compete myself with an Evo IX this year...

[tolis]

Now, Janner preview on Eurosport: http://tv-online.in/eurosport-french-live?lang=el

[stefanvv]

Strange if this is true.

Consani just said the same on Eurosport. It is some hybrid set of tyres

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/mtr_23.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/mtr_35.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18470&fotograf=251

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/grr_320a2115.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/grr_320a2093.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18470&fotograf=100

same corner..

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/ine_dsc_1455.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/ine_dsc_1322.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/internationale_jnner_rallye_2015/ine_dsc_1298.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18470&fotograf=43

[Mirek]

Please - can somebody write what was exactly wrong with Haneder´s and Klepatsch´ rollcage.

I cannot imagine what could be wrong for ERC and still be o.k. for Austrian scrutineers - especially because the Austrian scrutineers are very concerned about safety matters.

It is very important for me as I want to compete myself with an Evo IX this year...

The best is to ask ASN stewards who were there. You can hardly get a reliable answer on the internet forum.

We don't know exactly what was wrong but usually the reason why Evo IX is not allowed into an international event is that it was not built from correct bodyshell. It doesn't have any safety impact at all. It's only that Mitsubishi allowed building of Evo IX only from two VIN variants - Japanese GT (CT9A) and base export model RS (JMYS). There are eight other VIN variants which are not allowed for building gr.N car and also sometimes teams use old bodyshells from Evo VIII or VII to build Evo IX from them. It is possible to distinguish the correct ones by some "traps" created by Mitshibishi. Some strut here and there look different, some mounting point is on another place etc. All unimportant details just to make them visibly different. Evo IX also have another struts in the sidedoor which are not present in older models. Dimviii must know better for sure but there were several such cases in CZ, for example one car which is used in Czech championship every year was not allowed to start in Barum exactly because of this. Also the FIA stewards are not always the same. Some goes after details which others don't take care etc. Another example was with a car which did several times Barum rally, several times Bohemia rally, always checked by FIA stewards and in 2013 it had suddenly wrong rollcage and wasn't allowed to start at all (there were new FIA stewards). In this case it was not Evo, it's just an example.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Now, Janner preview on Eurosport: http://tv-online.in/eurosport-french-live?lang=el

Nice preview, especially with Breen explaining the tyre choices... all clear now ;-)

[dimviii]

Mirek is right,only rs/gt mitsubishi evolution versions allowed to participate at international rallies(wrc/erc)
you have to check your chassis number and find these letters which are for rs versions ''sndfz''
if you find ''sngfz'' is a gsr version and not allowed at international rallies.
of course we dont know yet if this is the reason for these evo they disqualified at Janner,but as Mirek said these ''problems'' we had also in Greece.

[PLuto]

The best is to ask ASN stewards who were there. You can hardly get a reliable answer on the internet forum.

We don't know exactly what was wrong but usually the reason why Evo IX is not allowed into an international event is that it was not built from correct bodyshell. It doesn't have any safety impact at all. It's only that Mitsubishi allowed building of Evo IX only from two VIN variants - Japanese GT (CT9A) and base export model RS (JMYS). There are eight other VIN variants which are not allowed for building gr.N car and also sometimes teams use old bodyshells from Evo VIII or VII to build Evo IX from them. It is possible to distinguish the correct ones by some "traps" created by Mitshibishi. Some strut here and there look different, some mounting point is on another place etc. All unimportant details just to make them visibly different. Evo IX also have another struts in the sidedoor which are not present in older models. Dimviii must know better for sure but there were several such cases in CZ, for example one car which is used in Czech championship every year was not allowed to start in Barum exactly because of this. Also the FIA stewards are not always the same. Some goes after details which others don't take care etc. Another example was with a car which did several times Barum rally, several times Bohemia rally, always checked by FIA stewards and in 2013 it had suddenly wrong rollcage and wasn't allowed to start at all (there were new FIA stewards). In this case it was not Evo, it's just an example.

Klepatsch had problem which Mirek described - car made from different version of Evo. With Haneder it looks like there is some problem with rollcage (wrong number on certiificate or something like that).

[PLuto]

In Freistadt is still falling snow, also normal roads are full of snow.

[PLuto]

According to Baumschlager the 15 inch tyres used by Kajto and Consani today are no new tyres, but tyres which were built to be used by FWD cars. Strange if this is true.

I have heard same rumour. But if it is working, why not?

[PLuto]

Shakedown times of national field:

Baumschlager 1:24.3
Wagner 1:26.6
Rigler 1:28.1

Haneder and Klepatsch didn´t pass ERC scrutineering because of their rollcage.

It is nonsense to compare times from national field and ERC. They had completely different conditions.

[rage82]

Craig Breen out of the road on the downhill. Consani is 2.41 min faster than anyone else for the moment

[makinen_fan]

Is that time from Consani correct? :eek:

[mousti]

What a start :D

And Breen already in trouble..
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[PLuto]

Is that time from Consani correct? :eek:

Yes

[PLuto]

What a start :D

And Breen already in trouble..

Out of road...

[mousti]

Kajto leading with 6 seconds in front of other pirelli man Consani. Breen out Lukyanuk lost alot of time because overheating engine :(

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[EstWRC]

Lukyanuk with engine problems, real shame :mad: (7 - Lukyanuk Alexey / Chervonenko Yevhen): The engine overheated and the engine stopped so we had to stop to let it cool down. We lost a lot of seconds, it is a big shame.

[Mirek]

That's not really a start of the rally as I wished to follow... :(

[rage82]

It´s gonna be minutes depending on tyre choice (brand)...
Spot on Rallyper!

[Mad cat jnr]

Looks like Pirellis are better than Michellins ;)

[makinen_fan]

Shame for Breen to waste a chance to get good points in a rally that the 208 will not overheat, especially without the Skoda here.

[Mirek]

Looks like Pirellis are better than Michellins ;)

Yes, a lot of fresh snow so more narrow tyres are probably better.

[makinen_fan]

Hirschi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6klrvACAAEm-Jb.png

[Mirek]

There will be probably even more snow on next stage but I guess when the shock effect is over it will go all more smooth...

[dimviii]

There will be probably even more snow on next stage but I guess when the shock effect is over it will go all more smooth...

Ηοw Mirek? will they find so many crews narrow tyres?

[WUff1]

Bad luck for Turk on Jänner: 3 years, 3 starts, 3 times out on first stage.

Hope Lukyanuk manages to get back into service.

[dimviii]

Really shame for Lukyanuk..at least to continue to gain experience.
howcan i see stage times from Baumschlager at rally-base.cz?

[Mirek]

Ηοw Mirek? will they find so many crews narrow tyres?

Of course not but there is some experience from this rally from previous years. Every time first stage brings a lot more drama than the rest.


howcan i see stage times from Baumschlager at rally-base.cz?

Yes, rally-base has ÖRM results as well.

[Bartek]

Really shame for Lukyanuk..at least to continue to gain experience.
howcan i see stage times from Baumschlager at rally-base.cz?

http://rally-base.com/2015/32-int-janner-rallye-2015/?ssId=2745&cupId=98

[PLuto]

Really shame for Lukyanuk..at least to continue to gain experience.
howcan i see stage times from Baumschlager at rally-base.cz?

You must check ÖRM.

[Mirek]

Baumschlager 16:06,7.

[Jarek Z]

Lukyanuk lost alot of time because overheating engine :(


I told you guys last year - those R5 cars are shit :/

[dimviii]

You must check ÖRM.

i had checked ORM but didnt appear something.Maybe too early probably.
Thanks guys!
Pluto dont forget to take an eye at tyres.

[PLuto]

Really shame for Lukyanuk..at least to continue to gain experience.

Lucas is back :)

[Mirek]

Lukyanuk so far fastest on SS2 :)

[Jarek Z]

PLuto, you are our "tyre spy" ;)

[PLuto]

I told you guys last year - those R5 cars are shit :/

I think that there were problem with the snow on front mask...

[EstWRC]

Yes Lukyanuk!! Keep going

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk faster till now at 2nd stage.

[PLuto]

PLuto, you are our "tyre spy" ;)

Everybody was using narrow tyres, anything else is nonsense. And which brand they are using you can see from results :)

[EstWRC]

Kajito from another planet, 10 sec faster than Lukyanuk.

[dimviii]

stage 2 Baumschlager +20,8 from Kajito.Total difference after 2 stages 54,9 sec

[Mirek]

stage 2 Baumschlager +20,8 from Kajito.Total difference after 2 stages 54,9 sec

It's possible that Baumschlager doesn't care about ERC times. For him Neubauer is the fastest important competitor.

Anyway Kajto again much faster than the rest...

[thuGG]

Wow, Kajto 12s faster on SS3.

[Rallyper]

What tyres has Lukyanuk?

Remember snow in the front made Tommie Makinen DNF Swedish rally some fifteen years ago, because he didn´t stop and take it away and the engine overheated and broke. I think he drove Subaru by then.

[miniwintz]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see Lukyanuk climbing back up to top 5, podium with a lot of luck

[Munkvy]

SS3 and an R2 car in 8th place overall says something about the conditions!

[N.O.T]

It is good to see Lukyanuk being that competitive in conditions/surface/car he doesn't have experience in. But no real conclusion can be drawn on such unpredictable rallies and with such low competitor driving level.

[stefanvv]

What tyres has Lukyanuk?

I think yesterday he had the same set as Kajetanowicz & Consani. Probably same today

[Mirek]

Pity Breen crashed already on SS1. It's not nice to say that but it is quite stupid :(

[dimviii]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see Lukyanuk climbing back up to top 5, podium with a lot of luck

i think position 3 is achievable if rest rally is untroubled for him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pity Breen crashed already on SS1. It's not nice to say that but it is quite stupid :(

Yes he should start steady and be careful when he has no experience in those conditions. Hope he learns from this..

[Rallyper]

The lack of experience from snowy conditions make the drivers cutting too much having the front end full of snow. Front wheels shall always be in the tracks and pointing in the direction of driving...

Lukyanuk took almost 40 secs from the man on 5th position on last stage (3), having only about 2 mins up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I dont understand why Breen hasnt been testing the 208 in the snow but instead out having fun in his old RWD Escort... :confused:

[mousti]

I dont understand why Breen hasnt been testing the 208 in the snow but instead out having fun in his old RWD Escort... :confused:
U can blame Breen for crashing out so fast. In these conditions he better had a slow start on own rhythm like Lefebvre. But the testday of Sainteloc was on a bad day when there was barely snow. He acknowledged on Twitter that it was fun but not really good because he was aware there would be snow this time on the stages.

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[dimviii]

why i cant find Baumschlager at 3rd stage?


edit. now is ok. another 17,8 slower from Kajito

[rallyfiend]

Pity Breen crashed already on SS1. It's not nice to say that but it is quite stupid :(

Silly, silly boy. The ultimate 'no-no' is to do something stupid like this...

Seems to be no video's from Eurosport on their website yet? Nothing from Shakedown yesterday? That's quite poor...

[PLuto]

Ogryzek is also going on Pirelli tyres...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen explains off... sounds a little unlucky as was at very low speed and car got stuck... :(

“It was a 10kph accident,” said Breen. “I got it slowed down and was halfway round the corner but as I got back on the power I lost grip and the front of the car spun round. There was no damage but it was stuck on the sumpguard and we couldn’t move.”

http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/6583

[mousti]

Kajto can control the rally already after this loop.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kajto quick again and enjoying the snow...

Kajto SS4 (15:21.8, fastest): "It’s fantastic. But it’s snowing, you can’t see the road, all is white

[Fast Eddie WRC]

U can blame Breen for crashing out so fast. In these conditions he better had a slow start on own rhythm like Lefebvre. But the testday of Sainteloc was on a bad day when there was barely snow. He acknowledged on Twitter that it was fun but not really good because he was aware there would be snow this time on the stages.


Yes, but only one test right before the rally and there was little snow, but why hadnt they tested somewhere snowy earlier to let him get some practice when it was very likely to be snowy in Janner... ?

[Mirek]

Ogryzek is also going on Pirelli tyres...

Which tyres does Tarabus use?

[dimviii]

Ogryzek is also going on Pirelli tyres...
i would like to ask you because he is much faster than anyone else with 2wd,but i thought that i had already asked a lot!
thanks Pluto!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfyx7UCBT0

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk just 6,3 behind Lefedvre,and 6th overall already.

[PLuto]

Which tyres does Tarabus use?

Michelin. But it looks like for second loop he has different Michelin than others.

[Mirek]

Michelin. But it looks like for second loop he has different Michelin than others.

You mean that Michelin is trying to safe the face by giving him something normally not available for a privateer?

Hirschi's mistake on SS1 (slow motion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m5HkXkCyIE

[PLuto]

You mean that Michelin is trying to safe the face by giving him something normally not available for a privateer?

I dont know, I havent seen the tyres. But Tarabus is actually the fastest Michelin driver on this event...

[Jeppe]

Hirschi's mistake on SS1 (slow motion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m5HkXkCyIE

OMG!! That´s something ;) ;)

[Mirek]

OMG!! That´s something ;) ;)

He is lucky that he didn't brake the radiator.


But Tarabus is actually the fastest Michelin driver on this event...

That's why I wrote what I wrote :)

[WUff1]

Lukyanuk surpassing Lefebvre. Big show!

[WUff1]

Oil pressure problems for Neubauer ...

[rage82]

Lukyanuk is already 4-th but the gap to 3-rd is 2.45 min. Let's see if he can manage that gap, I think it's possible if he doesn't make any mistakes. Tarabus on the other hand is the fastest MIchelin driver and in the afternoon is pretty close to the top Pirelli guys.

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk is already 4-th but the gap to 3-rd is 2.45 min. Let's see if he can manage that gap, I think it's possible if he doesn't make any mistakes.

with Tarabus pace at last 2 stages dont think is possible.Except if a problem hit Tarabus.

[Mirek]

Guys, it's still long and everybody might do a mistake. Don't forget we haven't yet had a single night stage and there is a lot of them to come.

Finally Eurosport woke up: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/list/id/27

[Jarek Z]

Guys, did you see that? This unknown Audi driver is doing everything he can to stay in front of the cars that are following him ;)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153054124694973

[WUff1]

There will still be many changes in standings, especially with more snow again now coming down. There are meteorological white out conditions with horizon, road and air hardly to distinguish from each other.

Neubauer still at the end of stage 5 - most probably the next retirement, and the biggest hope of Austrian drivers in ERC.

[dimviii]

lololololol

[dimviii]

(7 - Lukyanuk Alexey / Chervonenko Yevhen): We have problem with the car, we have low water pressure, I never see this before.

[Muchonen]

Guys, one think bothers me. Is using those FWD Pirelli tires in AWD car legal?

[dimviii]

if they are not with bigger diameter,wider,or with more studs why to be illegal?