Rally Sweden 2014

[PLuto]

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

Yes, I know all this factors. I was not expecting he will win. But I was expecting he will be faster than Henning.

[BleAivano]

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

I agree with you Per. Tidemand did show that he is able to push without going over the limit and he is still
a very inexperienced driver at this level. if you look at what driver he has in front of him...
well they're not exactly rookies they all have many years experience of WRC cars.

@pluto well the difference between them is that Henning is much more experienced and
also I would say that was henning that was faster then expected rather then Pontus being slow.

[A.F.F.]

I can understand your disappointment for Tidemand. But if you were just a bit more professional in your judgements you wouldn´t say that.
Many things played a role. He had much testing in totally different conditions in an other car. He then wanted same setup in the car M-Sport delivered and got it, but the very different conditions in RS made his setup not working at all. And everyone driving a rallycar knows what it means when you don´t trust the performance of the car.
Thus that he´d done a clean run and fighted on. Last leg today he got a rear diff which he might should have had all weekend and the times where far better.
Remmber this was his second rally in a WRC car.
As said he didn´t do any mistakes and being 7th in this competition and very difficult rally is something Tidemand did a good job.

I have every right to be dissapointed. Liike PLuto, I know all these facts. But comparing the last year, I saw nothing from that flamboyant drive, maximum attack- attitude and not single top stage time. And that is why I'm dissapointed. However, it's understandable when you're building Your career. I just like those better to burn out than fade away style- drivers. Still, absolutely no disrespect to young Tidemand!

[wurc]

Have seen all your other posts on this thread, so don't see a reason to argue with you.

well, my answer was written according to your ignorace level, when you were following your hero's f1 related speech towards kubica,
it was as disrespectful as ostberg's behaviour towards kubica when he called him for instance 'stupid', for sure didn't deserve it,
it wasn't the behaviour you expect from professional rally driver, well perhaps he's afraid of an uexperienced guy who bits his ass on tarmac in MC debut :)
frankly speaking I notice norwegian a bit too sensitive about their driver, even last year when meeke had to drive around 30 seconds behind novikov, he didn't behave so unprofessional as ostberg (screams, offending others, swearing), comparing to around 3 seconds delay caused by kubica, with second kubica's 'crash' he was warned by spectators but he didn't slow down, he behaved as dangerous as prokop the day before.

anyway good drive of latvala, he trully deserved it! hopefully this season won't as last one and he will manage to fight with ogier for the championship

[GINE]

my verdict is that VW is the car to beat... They won 20 out of 24 stages with Ostberg and Hirvonen beeing snow experts... It may be possible that they will win all round this year. Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

[N.O.T]

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

No.

[BleAivano]

my verdict is that VW is the car to beat... They won 20 out of 24 stages with Ostberg and Hirvonen beeing snow experts... It may be possible that they will win all round this year. Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

You know I would say that Mikkelsen and Latvala is just as much snow experts as Hirvonen and Östberg.
After all this was Latvala 3rd victory in the Swedish rally but sure the Polo is most likely the best car.

However I wouldn't rule out Ford and Citroen just yet.

[stefanvv]

I enjoyed the best WRC entry list Rally for God know how much time, and these days what I read here is only complains and overestimated biased comments for this and that driver.
1) VW were making some (stupid) orders and we poor fans think we're watching some competition - I don't believe any of this. I don't think they ever done that this and previous years. They just don't need to. The clear statement is: "We allow our drivers to compete freely, just to make sure they finish the event". Latvala and Mikkelsen just proved that. May be it is just possible some drivers to learn to some discipline, don't you think? Why would you need team orders then, when the 3rd driver is brething in your neck?
2) Kubica is bad to worse. Well this Rally probably somehow landed him on the ground a bit, probably not. Obviously he had very hard time here, at least finished somehow with the help of lot a spectators, he must buy them all a beer. Little in his defence probably is that this year's conditions were probably worst in this Rally. I find his driving style little risky anyway. But that's just it, he is nice addition to the championship though, probably I hate only the youtube videos flood of some claiming his fans, you can find decent video very hard.
3) Ostberg almost "killed" a specator, insulted Kubica. Well, the first Kubica off probably pissed him enough. He was just passing Kubica, while he decided to go ahead of him. May be Kubica knew, may be not. His claim was that he didn't have enough road to let him pass, on the footage I saw at least 1 such place 100m before he actually did it. On second Kubica off, probably he had to slow down a bit, no excuses for that (anyway it is primary concern for the spectators to take care of themselves), chasing both VW was very difficult yes and Kubica already pissed him once, but nothing would justify a tragedy, lets hope this never happen.

Probably I also can't say something positive of Hyunday either. Yes some speed ocasionally, but far from endurance part in this sport. Tidemand also dissapointed me a bit, after last year's performance expected lot more from him, at least top 5 (with Ogier in it).

Well, the positives go to all VW team, even Ogier. He is just human, makes mistakes too, only the big ones though admit theirs, Latvala & Mikkelsen - excellent fight, we the fans hope to see lot more of it in the future; Tanak - excellent performance and not "losing his head" chasing Hirvonen at any cost; H. Solberg had great performance too, nice for a driver who drivers for fun only.

I think that's it, may be I missed something or someone, let them forgive me, those are the highlights I think. I rest my case for Sweden.

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-3165-0-24188100-1391881089.jpeg
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1653535_10151966939070678_1051840326_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1655890_661547133887639_1451422232_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Neuville hits rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHeQwxqbwg#t=33

[dimviii]

Ogier record 41m at Colins crest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlqpzqxqlIY

[wurc]

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

No.

right, you gave really strong arguments :) let's wait till august and we will find about how accurate is your prediction

[pino]

Have seen all your other posts on this thread, so don't see a reason to argue with you.

well, my answer was written according to your ignorace level, when you were following your hero's f1 related speech towards kubica...

As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0613.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0609.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0603.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0610.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0636.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0663.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0661.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140208/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140208-0639.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/suede-2014/aurelien_vialatte-14_2.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-suede-2014/

[wurc]

As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

well, i'm sorry if somebody got offended, but i really couldn't resist in replying in such a way if you see such post :)
anyway I just wanted to point out that not only because of kubica ostberg slowed down a bit,
check stages 16-20 overview at wrc.com, when he almost hit meeke's car, high risk of heart attack for him today ;)

[pino]

As this isn't the first time you're posting personal comments/insults, I have to ask you to cool down and stop doing that, or I will do that for you. I hope I made myself clear...

well, i'm sorry if somebody got offended, but i really couldn't resist in replying in such a way if you see such post :)
anyway I just wanted to point out that not only because of kubica ostberg slowed down a bit,
check stages 16-20 overview at wrc.com, when he almost hit meeke's car, high risk of heart attack for him today ;)

You have been offensive earlier today as well, so just make sure it won't happen again, thank you !

[Bartek]

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

[N.O.T]

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

anybody who think kubica will be Loeb is wrong.... and if you change Loeb with Hirvonen you will also be wrong....

[Timole]

http://timoanis.eu/season-2014/wrc-rally-sweden/ photos from rally sweden 2014!

[dimviii]

my thoughts
Latvala controlled the rally without mistakes,catch the offer Ogier gave him.
Ogier to many mistakes for the first 2 rallies so far.At Monte i was talking about luck,and that he cant be lucky forever.Some mates from here didn t understand it.Now hope they understood what i waa talking about.
Faster driver by far,but too many mistakes.If he control his mistakes he will not have any problem.Pressure is on him now.
Meeke so and so,for 1st time job almost done.Its not easy for 1st time at snow.
Ostberg waiting more from him.If he is not capable to win or to play for the win at Sweden,he has tough times at next rallies.
Mikko,unfortynately he hasn t got any more to give to this sport.For these with open minds,it was visible 2 years almost.For the rest they were talking about ds3 bad setup,that is a Finn at a French team with bad co operation ,and that ds3 is not good,hope to understand now.
Evans so and so,pitty that he rolled at last stage.
Kubica waiting for more speed at 1st Sweden is not right,but didn t waiting so many offs.At asphalt rallies this guy will be very interesting for sure.
Henning nice rally for a retired and aged.
Tidemand waiting for more speed inside his well known surface,and be faster from his stepfather.About wrong setup,ok at days 1-2,but at day 3 had the right setup,and didn t notice any improovement.
Tanak maybe the positive surprise of the rally.His pace prooves how a, 1 year out of wrc youngster can handle and setup a wrc car.Wish he can find enough budget for more wrc runs.
Mikkelsen the second nice surprise,waiting way less from him before the rally.I would like to see this pace also,at next rallies too,because inside their homeland there are plenty drivers fast.
Neuville i said last year that he is overestimated,because of absence of other capable drivers at the market.Too many mistakes, was extreme lucky with Ford.But you can t be lucky forever.His interviews about knowing ''such problems'' when signed with Hyundai are laughable.
Hanninen waiting more from him.I will wait for more rallies for safer conclusions.
The only positive about Hyundai is that car seems competetive,even if Sweden is not the rally to make conclusions.

seems that we have an interesting year.Latvala will clear the loose at Mexico at 1st day.Will Ogier manage to make a safe gap? Probably yes.But will he drive without mistakes at next days?

[Jafry]

Photos from last day HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1230

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ovUgecy7xM

[N.O.T]

It is good that these 2 rallies are over...now the real championship begins and we can see who is who.

[wurc]

Guys, calm down, anybody who thoughts that RK will be Loeb from first round was wrong. He is learning, we need to give him this first few rounds and we will see what he can do ;)

yeah, other thing is that he has quite much distance for his pace on snow:
"It has been very difficult...yesterday stupid mistake...I'm driving like my grandmother going to the supermarket..." :D

i'm also curious about henning solberg's onboard from last SS as he said:
"We were slowed down for a long time because of Evans was off"
just to remind you, he finished 7th only 17 seconds after ogier, so guys please do not put your all anger towards one driver as there were many other situations like this,

one thing is for sure that scandinavians know how to drive on snow!

[Gard]

Mads might have lost the 2nd place because of the F1 driver.

Well, I'm not sure who to blame for that, but anyway Mads did't slow much the second time.
Passing car on the road with spectators around it with such a high speed is plain stupid.
Somehow I see this Norwegian in different way now.


How was Mads supposed to know that Kubica's car was blocking the road and id he had slow down
he woud have lost allot of more time. So I think it's fair to say that Kubica's mistakes cost
Österberg allot of time and possible the 2nd place.

You kidding right? When it comes to safety, nothing else matters. Mads had the chance to slow down, and he didn't, and by doing this he almost killed a spectator. No excuses for him in this case.

Mads slowed down as much as he could. He had probably 2 sek, from he saw the situation to he passed. Braking hard there would have sent him right into the spectators. Mads saved that situation, from getting tragic.

[Rallyper]

@Dimviii: I won´t defend your thoughts about Tidemand but right should be right. He had changed the rearaxle in service after first loop on third day. So, 2,5 days with wrong setup. Only last loop he had best setup. ;)

[KKS]

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

No.
No Germany or No Spain?

[dimviii]

@Dimviii: I won´t defend your thoughts about Tidemand but right should be right. He had changed the rearaxle in service after first loop on third day. So, 2,5 days with wrong setup. Only last loop he had best setup. ;)
thanks for clarifying Per.

[stefanvv]

Only Kubica might put some pressure in tarmac ( Germany or Spain)

No.
No Germany or No Spain?
In the laws of Mathematical logic, it is both, i.e. applying negative on OR, is all negaite AND

[dimviii]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[stefanvv]

Very nice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0pfoH-xFvY

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnhu3zB_Hhw

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/28/47/284750_52f57b853.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/28/47/284732_52f57aa17.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/galerien/2014/rallye-schweden/index.html)

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen said: "Nothing to worry about"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZAsPfQyiE

[A FONDO]

Deserved victory for JML. Ogier had bad luck that the corner appeared to be half-swept just after a snowy crest. No way to predict that several days earlier. Now you may say "why others didn't crash there too", but I tell you, If it was compact snow, Ogi would have won a lot of time from this corner only. He usually makes his notes to be on the edge and that's why he usually destroys others when he needs it.

Hyunday - it's not acceptable to make so weak suspension for a rally car. Also it's not acceptable to obligate drivers like TN and JH to drive so slow just in order to fill the data charts. There are people like Sordo for that and there are third cars for that. TN and JH naturally push and feel uncomfortably when cruising, so they make even more mistakes. Let them both push, one of them will crash but the other may get to 4th-5th place - much better story to brag in the media than now.

I do not know how certain is Tidemand for his WRC future, perhaps he only needed the experience this time instead of an impressive result. Tanak is the opposite. Ostberg - same as last year - full factory drive, no team orders and still FAR from the top times. Kubica had a disastrous rally, but the real bore are the polish fans who have invaded the internet recently.

[bluuford]

OMG Evans crash was huuuge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5KeYNO ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5KeYNOpbCk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

[dimviii]

OMG Evans crash was huuuge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5KeYNO ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5KeYNOpbCk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

wow high speed accident! :vader:
day2 unfortunately in French
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZu0XIeaLdU

[Kalm]

wow high speed accident! :vader:


"It wasn't a very high-speed incident by all means, but the back end stepped out and after that there wasn't a lot we could do to save it. We went off the road and damaged the radiator." :D

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/a-solid-performance-from-m-sport-in-sweden.html

[jbmarcus21]

what about incident SS14 Ostberg vs Kubica ??

RE https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/ ... 8481408001 (https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/432264398481408001)

[stefanvv]

Ogier had bad luck that the corner appeared to be half-swept just after a snowy crest. No way to predict that several days earlier. Now you may say "why others didn't crash there too", but I tell you, If it was compact snow, Ogi would have won a lot of time from this corner only. He usually makes his notes to be on the edge and that's why he usually destroys others when he needs it.
You're right in some degree. Ogier took this corner like he usually does, very aggressive on braking and accelerating. But seems he was right he wasn't very concentrated there, because the corner had reverse angle, impossible to do it aggressively in these conditions.

[jbmarcus21]

no sorry Kubic gets reprimand to have blocked Mads ;)

[gzandar]

no sorry Kubic gets reprimand to have blocked Mads ;)

He gets it for situation on SS14 - spectator on the road who helping him get out from a ditch, when Mads passing him. Because of lack of warning triangle on the road. Not for blocking Mads on SS12.

[dimviii]

no sorry Kubic gets reprimand to have blocked Mads ;)

He gets it for situation on SS14 - spectator on the road who helping him get out from a ditch, when Mads passing him. Because of lack of warning triangle on the road.

and thats very right imho.When you have an off like this(narrow road,car blocking half road),your aim must be to warn the next car.
also we have to think that Mads has just passed a crest.

[Gregor-y]

Mikkelsen said: "Nothing to worry about"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZAsPfQyiE
They should carry a small ice scraper for that sort of thing.

[gzandar]

no sorry Kubic gets reprimand to have blocked Mads ;)

He gets it for situation on SS14 - spectator on the road who helping him get out from a ditch, when Mads passing him. Because of lack of warning triangle on the road.

and thats very right imho.When you have an off like this(narrow road,car blocking half road),your aim must be to warn the next car.
also we have to think that Mads has just passed a crest.

I agree.

For Kubica's excuse. He told FIA that spectator was sent to warn next cars. On Mads onboard one spectator is waving to him so it was true. Anyway siutation was dangerous and they should be more warning people and triangle.

0.39 in that movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmYuxgJSBM

[bluuford]

wow high speed accident! :vader:


"It wasn't a very high-speed incident by all means, but the back end stepped out and after that there wasn't a lot we could do to save it. We went off the road and damaged the radiator." :D

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/a-solid-performance-from-m-sport-in-sweden.html
Sounds like that the car retired due to "technical problem." I wonder if Elfin and Co are OK?

[dimviii]

amazing video 24min with only 4 beers.Really bargain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg#t=184

edit inside Kubica off we haven t see

[stefanvv]

wow high speed accident! :vader:


"It wasn't a very high-speed incident by all means, but the back end stepped out and after that there wasn't a lot we could do to save it. We went off the road and damaged the radiator." :D

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/a-solid-performance-from-m-sport-in-sweden.html
He learned that excuse from Kankkunen, didn't he?

[stefanvv]

He learned that excuse from Kankkunen, didn't he?
This is what I was refering to - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtASrQms2xE (When this happens he calls the team nad says he has "overheating problems" :D )

[stefanvv]

2 beers only, but big Jack Daniels with them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D1QSzZAiGo

[Juha_Koo]

For Kubica's excuse. He told FIA that spectator was sent to warn next cars. On Mads onboard one spectator is waving to him so it was true. Anyway siutation was dangerous and they should be more warning people and triangle.


Once again I highlight this point which I've been talking for years: There should be an informative drawing in the official rally guide on how to warn following competitors if someone has gone off and there's an process of lifting the car back on the road and road can be blocked to some extent. These are potentially extremely dangerous situations. When our group witnesses an off, the first thing is to send two guys to warn others. Often even the marshals have no idea how to warn competitors, a little waving from 2 metres off the road is not enough... Basically you have to be on the road and use both hands on a big vertical move.

Maybe the reason for not having the drawings is that organizers don't want to indirectly proactivate spectator involvement because they see it dangerous. But in my opinion, current situation is more dangerous.

[stefanvv]

amazing video 24min with only 4 beers.Really bargain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg#t=184
You have 2 beers just for @5:19

[BleAivano]

For Kubica's excuse. He told FIA that spectator was sent to warn next cars. On Mads onboard one spectator is waving to him so it was true. Anyway siutation was dangerous and they should be more warning people and triangle.


Once again I highlight this point which I've been talking for years: There should be an informative drawing in the official rally guide on how to warn following competitors if someone has gone off and there's an process of lifting the car back on the road and road can be blocked to some extent. These are potentially extremely dangerous situations. When our group witnesses an off, the first thing is to send two guys to warn others. Often even the marshals have no idea how to warn competitors, a little waving from 2 metres off the road is not enough... Basically you have to be on the road and use both hands on a big vertical move.

Maybe the reason for not having the drawings is that organizers don't want to indirectly proactivate spectator involvement because they see it dangerous. But in my opinion, current situation is more dangerous.

IMO Marshals should be given a short education and equipped with a FIA standardized small red triangle;
like this one but smaller: http://www.biltema.se/ProductImages/38/ ... -200_l.jpg (http://www.biltema.se/ProductImages/38/large/38-200_l.jpg)

I don't if the cars have these but perhaps it could be a good idea to equip the cars with these as well
so that they could be placed to warn the other cars.

[stefanvv]

For onboard - 4 beers & 2 Jack Daniels. Tidemand is on promotion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMPk-wpHVI
Is that Neuville's rock @~5m

[tolis]

For onboard - 4 beers & 2 Jack Daniels. Tidemand is on promotion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMPk-wpHVI
Is that Neuville's rock @~5m
And 1 Kamenitza! :D

[stefanvv]

For onboard - 4 beers & 2 Jack Daniels. Tidemand is on promotion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMPk-wpHVI
Is that Neuville's rock @~5m
And 1 Kamenitza! :D
I don't like it, but it is nothing personal though ;)
When you come to Bulgaria next time, I will recommend you Shumensko or Bolyarka (cheaper, but still very good)

[RICARDO75]

Rallyelange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quiNby10UH8&feature=em-uploademail

[RICARDO75]

Highligths from 3 days
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrTwinsdiablo?feature=watch

[litifeta]

My opinions after 2 rounds.

The Fords seem to have too much body roll for hard surfaces and snow.
The VWs are definitely a superior build (learnings from Dakar perhaps?)
Surprising how competitive the Citroens still are
Hyundais have a litte work still to do, much pretty close to the pace so far

JML has so much talent, but his mind needs to grow stronger
Mikko seems to have some demons in his head. He needs to deal with that very soon
Mads has done really well for the second drive. All the financial pressure of previous years can take a toll, but he has worked hard
Seb is going to be under pressure this year. He will either come out of this as unbeatable, or will end up like Mikko
Kubica has great speed but has so much to learn

The financial crisis has robbed us of seeing an extremely good year. So many great drivers without seats, or full time seats Ott, Bouffier, Dani, Juho, and Atko.

[dimviii]

Mad Mads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmYuxgJSBM

[havk]

Mad Mads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmYuxgJSBM

Is there an on board showing whole situation? On this video Ostberg is driving like about 15 seconds behind Kubica who is moving quite quickly and makes room to overtake when the road enables this. Ostberg lose 2-3 seconds on this?

[litifeta]

Mads annoyance is because it was the same driver twice. If it had anyone else the second time his frustration might not have been so bad. I have never driven in snow, but I imagine coming into that situation full speed would be tricky with brakes.

[leighton323]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/09/yte3yre9.jpg
Lol..

[stefanvv]

Lol..
:D Lot of excitement there, a lot

[stefanvv]

Closer view of Evans's crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2PiOj4OJM

[Rallyper]

Mads annoyance is because it was the same driver twice. If it had anyone else the second time his frustration might not have been so bad. I have never driven in snow, but I imagine coming into that situation full speed would be tricky with brakes.

No, if you listen carefully he says he had a close call, because no one was warning him before Kubica turned up behind the corner. You could see a man waving, but for sure not in the right way to make Mads observe there was something going on.

[Rallyper]

Closer view of Evans's crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2PiOj4OJM

A 540!

[PLuto]

Closer view of Evans's crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2PiOj4OJM

A 540!

Maybe he was watching in service final round of slope style on olympic games and wanted to make something similar :cool:

[garais22]

Then who is winner??
Some sources said Hanninen some Ogier

1. Juho Hänninens winnining jump in the Colins Crest Award 2014, 36 meters.
2. Colins Crest record jump - Sebastien Ogier 41 meter, Rally Sweden 2014

[stefanvv]

Then who is winner??
Some sources said Hanninen some Ogier

1. Juho Hänninens winnining jump in the Colins Crest Award 2014, 36 meters.
2. Colins Crest record jump - Sebastien Ogier 41 meter, Rally Sweden 2014
I think only 1st pass counts (Hanninen), though it doesn't make much sense to me, conditions are more equal on the 2nd

[uranium]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=212365292297257&set=a.211521019048351.1073741836.174031356130651&type=3&theater)

[bluuford]

It has been tradition for a long time that only jumps from the first pass count, so, Hänninen. Also official records are only counted during the first pass.

[stefanvv]

Also official records are only counted during the first pass.
Didn't know that, thanks for clarification.

[ironseb]

http://youtu.be/_KgqVRn-9RA

Very, very fast crash for Evans.

[ironseb]

Also official records are only counted during the first pass.
Didn't know that, thanks for clarification.

That's definitively not a good rally for Ogier :laugh:

[stefanvv]

Also official records are only counted during the first pass.
Didn't know that, thanks for clarification.

That's definitively not a good rally for Ogier :laugh:
:confused:

[ironseb]

He didn't win the Colins Crest Award 2014 even if he jumps longer than Hanninen.

[Gunner]

Why most of you complain about first Kubica's journey and nobody talk about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhtyiW8Ko8 ???
Maybe after this moment Mads lost chance to second place...

[stefanvv]

He didn't win the Colins Crest Award 2014 even if he jumps longer than Hanninen.
Oh, that's real tragedy, didn't get it

[stefanvv]

Why most of you complain about first Kubica's journey and nobody talk about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhtyiW8Ko8 ???
Maybe after this moment Mads lost chance to second place...
Yeah, there was that too. Ostberg was just not lucky with cars infront of him this event. But as it is in his team, I guess he got warned, so no surprise there.

[jparker]

On a PAID event like Sweden, one should expect marshals to be everywhere.
Also, those marshals should know exactly what to do in cases like Kubica, and not blame the driver for their own problem protecting spectators from mad drivers.
If Mads can't see person waving, what are the chances of seeing small triangle ?!?!?

[ironseb]

He didn't win the Colins Crest Award 2014 even if he jumps longer than Hanninen.
Oh, that's real tragedy, didn't get it

Ogier didn't like to loose. Like no one. :laugh:

[stefanvv]

Ogier didn't like to loose. Like no one. :laugh:
Well then, tell him to try little harder on first attempt next year.

[mas-racing]

video online : http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-19765-12512 ... -2014.html (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-19765-12512-wrc-rally-van-zweden-2014.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfotoZweden2014Small_zpsebafb6cc.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfotoZweden2014Small_zpsebafb6cc.jpg.html)

[A FONDO]

Why most of you complain about first Kubica's journey and nobody talk about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhtyiW8Ko8 ???
Maybe after this moment Mads lost chance to second place...
Mads was always behind. Not fair to say he lost it because of a few small delays.

[Mirek]

Returned after two days without internet...

Have to say I don't share the disappointment with Hyundai performance (drivers). Although they had the two retirements which were kind of unlucky they showed good pace. Considering how rushed the development was and how much people in the team came from circuits they did pretty well.

Anyway for me the most pleasant surprise was Mikkelsen.

[bluuford]

Returned after two days without internet...

Have to say I don't share the disappointment with Hyundai performance (drivers). Although they had the two retirements which were kind of unlucky they showed good pace. Considering how rushed the development was and how much people in the team came from circuits they did pretty well.

Anyway for me the most pleasant surprise was Mikkelsen.
Agree with You! Also, I was not surprised, by such Neuville retirement. he had exactly the same retirements in Monte and Portugal with Fords in 2013. Little bit too much cutting and open wheel is killed by the stone inside the corner. Was it the same stone that Sohlberg hit and broke his wheel? However, I have not seen such problem with Hanninen. To be honest, my equal second surprises were both Estonian pairs.

[Mirek]

True, I shall not forget Tänak. With Kruuda I don't know. Hard to compare with "only" Yazeed and Ketomaa on worse tyres. Till I went away Kruuda was slower than those two. I didn't follow later stages though.

[KKS]

amazing video 24min with only 4 beers.Really bargain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg#t=184

edit inside Kubica off we haven t see

Excellent vid! Most off all pushing hard, sometimes very hard! And guys from the back are cool especially those R2 and R3 who show great times compellable to WRC2 and low WRC.
PS Avicii at the end is so swedish :erm:

Tnx dimviii, stefanvv and all for sharing good vid's and pic's with us!

[stefanvv]

Tnx dimviii, stefanvv and all for sharing good vid's and pic's with us!
Welcome, I was only joking for the beers of course, just dimviii drunk all my beers and I got thirsty :D
one more nice vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCtn7FhayPU

[pino]

Great videos guys, thanks !

[MTA]

Our pictures from the rally is online at http://www.rallyfoto.se or https://www.facebook.com/rallyfoto.se

It got a lot better rally than we thought it would be given all the reports of bad roads that we have read before the start.

Sure, it could have been better but it's been worse Swedish Rally's too.
The roads there we were kept pretty good (at least where we were) but it sure was the gravel out after a couple of cars.
But the gravel was frozen so it didn't get two ditches that everyone must follow.
Only a few degrees colder, it would have been perfect (and a litle thicker layer of ice on the road).

[dimviii]

Tnx dimviii, stefanvv and all for sharing good vid's and pic's with us!

you are welcome,but no reason to say ''thanks'' ;)
Its nice to share videos/photos/opinions with this great community.

[SubaruNorway]

My highlights from Rally Sweden 2014 from Shakedown, Torsby, Finnskogen, Lesjöfors, Rämmen and Vargåsen. Including Robert Kubica's crash both on Lesjöfors and Rämmen and lots of other close calls and podium interviews with the top three finishers :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg

Edit: Looks like it's been shared in this thread already, but maybe some missed it :)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlDyO9gUjlQ by Fredrik Gustavsson

[dimviii]

My highlights from Rally Sweden 2014 from Shakedown, Torsby, Finnskogen, Lesjöfors, Rämmen and Vargåsen. Including Robert Kubica's crash both on Lesjöfors and Rämmen and lots of other close calls and podium interviews with the top three finishers :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg

Edit: Looks like it's been shared in this thread already, but maybe some missed it :)

you are a bit late.Your excellent video is already here from yesterday.2 beers penalty.

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-4664-0-72038600-1391973324.png

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=174 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13892&fotograf=174)

[makinen_fan]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=174 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13892&fotograf=174)

very nice set! thanks!

[COD]

Our pictures from the rally is online at http://www.rallyfoto.se or https://www.facebook.com/rallyfoto.se

It got a lot better rally than we thought it would be given all the reports of bad roads that we have read before the start.

Sure, it could have been better but it's been worse Swedish Rally's too.
The roads there we were kept pretty good (at least where we were) but it sure was the gravel out after a couple of cars.
But the gravel was frozen so it didn't get two ditches that everyone must follow.
Only a few degrees colder, it would have been perfect (and a litle thicker layer of ice on the road).

Sure. Was it 2002 when at least second pass of Rämmen was cancelled because of horrible road conditions?

[dimviii]

very nice set! thanks!

sorry, i dont accept ''thanks''.Only beers.


ps some photos are astonishing.

[MTA]

Our pictures from the rally is online at http://www.rallyfoto.se or https://www.facebook.com/rallyfoto.se

It got a lot better rally than we thought it would be given all the reports of bad roads that we have read before the start.

Sure, it could have been better but it's been worse Swedish Rally's too.
The roads there we were kept pretty good (at least where we were) but it sure was the gravel out after a couple of cars.
But the gravel was frozen so it didn't get two ditches that everyone must follow.
Only a few degrees colder, it would have been perfect (and a litle thicker layer of ice on the road).

Sure. Was it 2002 when at least second pass of Rämmen was cancelled because of horrible road conditions?

2008 was Horssjön 2 and Ullen 2 canceled.
If I remember correctly, it was also the year that the national contest was canceled completely.

[makinen_fan]

very nice set! thanks!

sorry, i dont accept ''thanks''.Only beers.


ps some photos are astonishing.

2 Mythos for you mate!

[litifeta]

Great videos, worth the beers. And if you come to Rally Australia I will buy you some.

[wurc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhtyiW ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhtyiW8Ko8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

I wonder what comments Ostberg said towards Meeke after this stage ? especially when it's your teamamte :)
any penalties for that to Meeke ? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmYuxgJSBM
did ostberg said that he wasn't warned about kubica's off trip ? I see a spectator in 0:39 waving- warning about the accident ?
in this case somebody is lying here, I didn't notice that he didn't slowed down even a bit, did he ignore a warning ?

[litifeta]

Seriously. A spectator waving his hands is a warning? Like that would be unusual in a rally ... seeing a spectator waving his hands at you.

[Mirek]

Seriously. A spectator waving his hands is a warning? Like that would be unusual in a rally ... seeing a spectator waving his hands at you.

I have myself as a spectator slowed down incoming cars several times (when the road was blocked by accident). Maybe it was only because it was in national events but I have never experienced a driver who would not slow down after my gesticulation. What You need is to run to a place where You are visible from distance and use clear gesticulation.

[hari]

What a great event again with lots of action. Was my sixth Rally Sweden and definitely one of the nicest ones actionwise.

My pictures:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_ ... n_2014.php (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2014.php)
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_wrc_ral ... n_2014.php (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_wrc_rallye_schweden_2014.php)

http://www.ir7.at/se14_1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/se14_2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/se14_3.jpg

[jparker]

Seriously. A spectator waving his hands is a warning? Like that would be unusual in a rally ... seeing a spectator waving his hands at you.

I have myself as a spectator slowed down incoming cars several times (when the road was blocked by accident). Maybe it was only because it was in national events but I have never experienced a driver who would not slow down after my gesticulation. What You need is to run to a place where You are visible from distance and use clear gesticulation.
I believe Mads did see the spectator, and he did slowdown. Otherwize the possibly fatal accident was unavoidable. Why he didn't slowdown further? Only Mads knows.
The theory that he didn't brake to avoid loosing control is false. It only applies for tires withot studs.

[bluuford]

Guys, It was clear even from bad-quality onboard camera that spectator was trying to slow him down (maybe it was not clear for computer spectator but it should be very clear to IRL spectator.. even more to proffessional driver). Mads just got overexited that for second time in a row his good stage time was ruined. It was way overreacted that they brought it to stewards meeting. I think Mads is the one who should be reminded that it would be more safe to pass stopped car in a slower speed while people are around. He got warning and he had plenty of time to slow down.

[Salist]

My photos about Rally Sweden:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.636852043018937.1073741840.494018543968955&type=1

[tobbe3]

Here is my video from Rally Sweden 2014!

(It seems like it´s a bit of a problem watching the video using firefox)

Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WDmSZlE5ic

[Simorally86]

Just arrived home after my first Sweden rally.....simply Amazing! I think one of the top 3 best rally in the World!

Here some pics from the race http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/rally-sweden-2014.html

or on facebook https://www.facebook.com/csrallyphotos

[Atob WRC]

Hello guys!

Finally a very good rally of sweden, we enjoyed a lot!!

Juho Hanninen, you have a new fan in Catalonia! Wooww, was my shout during every of these runs at our points!!

Here I leave the video! Hope you like it!

Best regards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8SvkHAoGps&list=UUJIEJEmoyfCJ7C9llVeHS_A&feature=c4-overview

[dimviii]

Henning hot moment from different angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuqA-KeRFM

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-infotony.com/suedepix ... index.html (http://www.rallye-infotony.com/suedepixelmotors/index.html)

[litifeta]

gesticulation.

Gesticulation. I do like that word. and tomorrow I will use it at work.

[Martijn van P.]

My highlights from Rally Sweden 2014 from Shakedown, Torsby, Finnskogen, Lesjöfors, Rämmen and Vargåsen. Including Robert Kubica's crash both on Lesjöfors and Rämmen and lots of other close calls and podium interviews with the top three finishers :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg

Edit: Looks like it's been shared in this thread already, but maybe some missed it :)

you are a bit late.Your excellent video is already here from yesterday.2 beers penalty.

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-4664-0-72038600-1391973324.png

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=174 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13892&fotograf=174)


Hi dimvii/Robert,

Very nice set of Rally Sweden photos and also a nice variety! Ive also been there in Sweden and really enjoyed.

Can u please tell me where that picture (nr 3 on ewrc.cz) of the flying Citroën was taken?

Hopefully u want to share its location :)

Thanks,
Martijn

[stefanvv]

Can u please tell me where that picture (nr 3 on ewrc.cz) of the flying Citroën was taken?

Hopefully u want to share its location :)

Thanks,
Martijn
Just a shot in the dark, but probably you can find it in this video (too) (at the beginning).

[Martijn van P.]

Can u please tell me where that picture (nr 3 on ewrc.cz) of the flying Citroën was taken?

Hopefully u want to share its location :)

Thanks,
Martijn
Just a shot in the dark, but probably you can find it in this video (too) (at the beginning).

Guess u mean this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg#t=184 ?
And it look like Breen is the first one in the video jumping on it :) I really like that jumpen and it seems to be Lesjofors or Rammen with the comment refer to Kubica's crash (a few meters after that jump). Know where on the stage the shot on 0:13 is made?

[stefanvv]

[quote="Martijn van P.":2y0tyh4w]Can u please tell me where that picture (nr 3 on ewrc.cz) of the flying Citroën was taken?

Hopefully u want to share its location :)

Thanks,
Martijn
Just a shot in the dark, but probably you can find it in this video (too) (at the beginning).

Guess u mean this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKjLyWaRKg#t=184 ?
And it look like Breen is the first one in the video jumping on it :) I really like that jumpen and it seems to be Lesjofors or Rammen with the comment refer to Kubica's crash (a few meters after that jump). Know where on the stage the shot on 0:13 is made?[/quote:2y0tyh4w]
Ops, sorry, it is not the last in the thread, here it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8SvkHAoGps

[SubaruNorway]

That jump is a new one in Kirkenær after the big one that's always been there in the middle of the stage :)

[Martijn van P.]

That jump is a new one in Kirkenær after the big one that's always been there in the middle of the stage :)

Ah, right. Thanks. And do u know if its media only in that part of the stage?

[wrc1600]

That jump is a new one in Kirkenær after the big one that's always been there in the middle of the stage :)
That's right. Stage is running between the river and flood shaft , spectators are located on this shaft along the stage with very good view.

[Martijn van P.]

That jump is a new one in Kirkenær after the big one that's always been there in the middle of the stage :)
That's right. Stage is running between the river and flood shaft , spectators are located on this shaft along the stage with very good view.

Then it should be right after the 1 mark on the public stage map of Kirkenaer. The skew part of the jump is awesome, a bit like Colin's but it seems less crowded in that area :)

[Priorat]

My photos from Sweden-Norway

http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/

[dimviii]

behind the scenes at Colins crest

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 690&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.292965510866575.1073741829.130691043760690&type=1)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1932371_292966380866488_144783294_n.jpg


Rajhis spin at Colins crest from a better view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3iVxM6dAmU

historic volvo spin at Colins crest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HP--odh ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HP--odhSJk&feature=youtu.be)

[dimviii]

Andre Lavadinho photos
http://www.lavadinho.com/wrcsweden2014/

[Extremrallye]

Not a memorable Rally Sweden, Awards for Juho, JML, Mikko the most spectacular. My vidéo + itw JML just before the podium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etJ02pFUDKo

[mohit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEFDjKgozM

PETTER

[BleAivano]

More Petter: http://youtu.be/g0RxmKwRE98

[dimviii]

some very good photos
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=284 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13892&fotograf=284)

[Koceens]

Finally got my footage together. Somehow managed to visit very similar places during the rally so maybe it looks a bit boring this time. :) http://youtu.be/7H35WIfwalA
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320x240q90/838/2qri.jpg

And my thoughts about rally. I think this time it was all about Volkswagen. They were like another class above the others and the most spectacular as usual was JML. I liked Hirvonen, very aggressive and fast, but times were frustrating unfortunately. I noticed that Ostbergs driving style has rapidly changed, he seems to try to go more straight, kind of Loeb style. Actually he seemed a bit slow, but times were OK.

The 1st stage of the last day [Hara 1] was very tricky - deep ruts with plenty of fresh snow and you can see in video how slow some cars were going there [especially Kubica who was 1st on the road] - at 2:09

Very happy for the result and hope to see JML putting a pressure on Mr. Ogier.

[peg306]

The best from the spots we visited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D1QSzZAiGo
Very impressed with Mikkelsen and Tänak, was kind of waiting for them both to make the mistake but they kept it together all the way. Koci in the DS3 also spectacular! Östberg looked really slow, but times showed different.
Shame about the weather, but not much to do about that.. With some minus degrees the week before rally, it would have been super roads!

[litifeta]

Remember Latvala said something like this before Monte Carlo: In the past I have made a mess of Monte Carlo and put myself behind when Sweden starts. This time I just want some points from MC.

Seems like a good plan. TN should take note.

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05s7LXy0YE

[Rallyper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05s7LXy0YE

Very nice package!

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF7CboOOtVI
What Ostberg said at the end in Norvegian?

[SubaruNorway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF7CboOOtVI
What Ostberg said at the end in Norvegian?

"Fuck, how shitty the car is to drive"

Not the nicest stage to drive either though, it had ruts in the frozen mud when i drove through it.

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF7CboOOtVI
What Ostberg said at the end in Norvegian?

"Fuck, how shitty the car is to drive"

Not the nicest stage to drive either though, it had ruts in the frozen mud when i drove through it.
Thank you, from onboard is visible/sensible it is hard stage to drive, so it is not just another random onboard from the promoter. But I wonder wouldn't be Latvala/Mikkelsen onboards be more nice.