Rally Sweden 2014

[Gard]

VW (Ogier) may be trying to save som tires and place Andreas in the snow plow position.

[EightGear]

Henning! :D

[Kalm]

"not bad at all for a man over 40 ! " :D

[Francis44]

About time Mikkelsen steped his game up.

[KKS]

Henning :) Great!

[nr7wave]

Cool! Henning S. 2. quickest on ss4. That is pretty incredible for a guy that has'nt been in a wrc car since Rally Sweden last year.

[Mirek]

Juho had a minor off according to wrc.com.

[KKS]

This polish guy isn't going so great
Who expected Kubica would be fast on snow? You?

[WRC1]

wohhhhh! henning! :) great

[jonkka]

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[KKS]

You should wait till 2nd pass ;)

[makinen_fan]

What is going on with Ketoma vs Yazzed? Is the R5 so slow compared to RRC in snow or is Ketoma with DMack tyres?

[KKS]

according to comentary after - DMack's not good in corners. And it cost a lead in WRC2

[dimviii]

What is going on with Ketoma vs Yazzed? Is the R5 so slow compared to RRC in snow or is Ketoma with DMack tyres?
its not the car,Ketomaa is very close with Bertelli with r5 car too.
Henning very impressive time,for an old retired guy with such start position!Tanak also very good pace so far.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/p480x480/1614241_594739700606089_988052185_o.jpg

[Mirek]

What is going on with Ketoma vs Yazzed? Is the R5 so slow compared to RRC in snow or is Ketoma with DMack tyres?

I was thinking about that too. Anyway Yazeed is doing really good!

[AMSS]

Than again Kristian Sohlberg only 3s off Ketomaas pace and he`s also on DMACKs I`d say, was it 7 years brake or something similar for Kristian Sohlberg so Ketomaa should be alot faster than Sohlberg in my opinion..

[amilk]

Independent from a tyre and car Yazeed is impressive

After Monte (Bouffier) Malcolm has again a privatee who is better than Hirvonen - at least till SS4

[Sulland]

Good to see that Henning still got the speed. He is probably enjoying his nuts off, so lets hope he will have fun the whole weekend!!

Now we have Henning on 10th and stepson Pontus on 9th - not bad!

[dimviii]

start stage 5
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bfy10vMIIAAIxST.jpg

[er88]

Expecting more from Mads tbh, feel this rally was his best chance to win this year but looks like he is struggling to keep up with his Norwegian compatriot Mikkelson. Steady from Meeke, Kubica and the Hyundai's which is good.

Any live stages today guys?? :)

[Sulland]

Lets see if 2nd loop is more suited for tractors than cars, what is the temperature today?

[noel157]

Nice sensible interview from Robert K. Nice guy and good to hear fresh and honest opinion.

[wurc]

Nice sensible interview from Robert K. Nice guy and good to hear fresh and honest opinion.

any link to this interview ?

[noel157]

RR

Edit- just over. You might find it on WRC.com at some stage soon. Or download etc.

[dimviii]

Nice sensible interview from Robert K. Nice guy and good to hear fresh and honest opinion.

always his interviews at this motivo.

[noel157]

http://images.wrc.com/News/1906_sweden-vw-latvala-2014_87_592x333.jpg

[KKS]

start stage 5
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bfy10vMIIAAIxST.jpg
Great! Finaly Ogier start lose :)

[Sulland]

Al Rajhi is impressing on snow, but he might be used to sand. But he was quick last year as well was he not?

[stefanvv]

Al Rajhi is impressing on snow, but he might be used to sand. But he was quick last year as well was he not?
I think so, impressive at Sweden for Middle East driver

[Mirek]

Al Rajhi is impressing on snow, but he might be used to sand. But he was quick last year as well was he not?

Yes, he won WRC2 last year.

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-4664-0-32026900-1391695789.png

[dimviii]

http://images.wrc.com/News/1906_sweden-vw-latvala-2014_87_592x333.jpg

This is the famous ''Latvala facepalm''? :D

[dimviii]

Ogier at ss5
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bfy9DpIIEAAQuQg.jpg

[er88]

http://images.wrc.com/News/1906_sweden-vw-latvala-2014_87_592x333.jpg

This is the famous ''Latvala facepalm''? :D

Yep :D Seriously though the guy needs a psychologist, too mentally fragile...

[dimviii]

Lets wait for more crews to secure if Ogier had an advantage for the morning loop.

[dimviii]

Lets wait for more crews to secure if Ogier had an advantage for the morning loop.

definetely had an advantage.While Ogier comments the stage was ''broken'',all the other crews are commenting for better grip.
Even Evans is in pair with fast guys.

[er88]

Lets wait for more crews to secure if Ogier had an advantage for the morning loop.

definetely had an advantage.While Ogier comments the stage was ''broken'',all the other crews are commenting for better grip.
Even Evans is in pair with fast guys.

Seems so. Another good time Mikkelson - hope he keeps the pace up!

[KKS]

If Nueville show that time for time will be for Juho? O_o

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Neuville !!

[miniwintz]

Tänak!!!!!

[noel157]

Things starting to get interesting.

[RAS007]

Non works Ford driver is the leading Ford, again. Can you imagine this happening in any other team?

[miniwintz]

M-Sport makes a living by renting and selling rally cars... If a customer is competitive, it's that much more promotion for them.
The days of Ford WRT when M-Sport sabotaged privateer cars are thankfully long gone.

[Juha_Koo]

Non works Ford driver is the leading Ford, again. Can you imagine this happening in any other team?

There are no works Fords... :rolleyes: Really happy to see the new tactic of M-Sport! :)

[ironseb]

Great start for Hirvonen. He need a race like that to retrieve confidence.

[RAS007]

Non works Ford driver is the leading Ford, again. Can you imagine this happening in any other team?

There are no works Fords... :rolleyes: Really happy to see the new tactic of M-Sport! :)

Oh really? So Evans and Hirvonen are M-Sport customers are they? :rolleyes:

[KKS]

Tänak!!!!!
Yes, yesterday SSS show that Ott have speed. I'm impressed by his driving

[noel157]

The days of Ford WRT when M-Sport sabotaged privateer cars are thankfully long gone.

Henning said this morning he "made some changes to his car and he ain't telling nobody else"

[jonkka]

Oh really? So Evans and Hirvonen are M-Sport customers are they? :rolleyes:

No but it's not works entry unless it has official manufacturer backing.

[big_sw2000]

Non works Ford driver is the leading Ford, again. Can you imagine this happening in any other team?

There are no works Fords... :rolleyes: Really happy to see the new tactic of M-Sport! :)

Oh really? So Evans and Hirvonen are M-Sport customers are they? :rolleyes:

M-Sport are not a factory Ford team.

Steve

[er88]

Mikko at regroup prior to SS5 " Im driving at 99.5%" ....

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen on course to re-take the lead

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice one Andreas !

Could be an Ogier tactic though...

[WRC1]

fantastic battle!! really nice to follow! :crazy:

[noel157]

Nice one Andreas !

Could be an Ogier tactic though...


Could be or a VW PR exercise.:) Can see Ogier going up a gear tomorrow.

[Ramone]

M-Sport are not an official factory team, but do receive support from the manufacturer, so their drivers are the closest thing Ford has to being works drivers; those drivers are currently being beaten by an M-sport customer.

[AdvEvo]

Hirvonen is ready for his retirement. Even older Solberg is faster lol

[Rallyper]

Today´s almost Mickey Mouse stages all day. Tomorrow the real race starts. Let´s wait and see what happens on Friday loops. :bounce:

[jonkka]

Hirvonen is ready for his retirement. Even older Solberg is faster lol

You must be looking different results than I am.

[gorganl2000]

Nice one Andreas !

Could be an Ogier tactic though...

i'm wondering the same thing
will wait and see if andreas "loses" the lead during the last stage or not

[Francis44]

Hirvonen is ready for his retirement. Even older Solberg is faster lol

You must be looking different results than I am.

Indeed Hirvonnen is 5th and Solberg 9th.

Anyway inexcusable for Hirvonnen, he really lost it.

[makinen_fan]

Is there a page that has what tyre brand each driver has? Who are with DMack in RC2?
It seems Ketomaa losing way too much in these stages, probably DMacks are gone completely.

[Mirek]

Is there a page that has what tyre brand each driver has? Who are with DMack in RC2?
It seems Ketomaa losing way too much in these stages, probably DMacks are gone completely.

As somebody already pointed out - Sohlberg is also on DMacks. He hasn't done a WRC rally for centuries but he is almost on the pace of Ketomaa...

[Rallyper]

Hirvonen is ready for his retirement. Even older Solberg is faster lol

You must be looking different results than I am.

Indeed Hirvonnen is 5th and Solberg 9th.

Anyway inexcusable for Hirvonnen, he really lost it.

Inexcusable? Lost what? He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment. He was on one stage faster than Ogier. Please, what do you expect from him? :dork:

[Francis44]

You must be looking different results than I am.

Indeed Hirvonnen is 5th and Solberg 9th.

Anyway inexcusable for Hirvonnen, he really lost it.

Inexcusable? Lost what? He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment. He was on one stage faster than Ogier. Please, what do you expect from him? :dork:


I dont know.....Maybe, I expect him to be fighting for the victory since he was doing that in Sweden many years ago.

Much rather see the car given to someone else.

[makinen_fan]

As somebody already pointed out - Sohlberg is also on DMacks. He hasn't done a WRC rally for centuries but he is almost on the pace of Ketomaa...

What about Pirellis, is just Henning and Grondal using them if you know?

[Miika]

"In Italian, por favor."

[Mirek]

He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment.

I don't want to judge Hirvonen but I really don't like this kind of excuses. When he was in Fiesta he was in worse car than Loeb but when he moved to same car as Loeb he was even slower than with Fiesta. When he moved to Fiesta he is again in worse car - this time than Ogier but Latvala was faster with Fiesta than with Polo. Cars don't win alone, it's the combination of car and driver. Some work better some worse but saying that the car of the one who is currently wining must be better is too much simplified and moreover quite depreciating to abilities of the wining driver.

[Mirek]

What about Pirellis, is just Henning and Grondal using them if you know?

Gryazhin used Pirelli in Latvia and he was also very fast.

[Rallyper]

[/quote]

Inexcusable? Lost what? He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment. He was on one stage faster than Ogier. Please, what do you expect from him? :dork:[/quote]


I dont know.....Maybe, I expect him to be fighting for the victory since he was doing that in Sweden many years ago.

Much rather see the car given to someone else.[/quote]

The fight has not even begun. Wait until tomorrow. And of course Saturday finish. Then we´ll talk ...

[Rallyper]

He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment.

I don't want to judge Hirvonen but I really don't like this kind of excuses. When he was in Fiesta he was in worse car than Loeb but when he moved to same car as Loeb he was even slower than with Fiesta. When he moved to Fiesta he is again in worse car - this time than Ogier but Latvala was faster with Fiesta than with Polo. Cars don't win alone, it's the combination of car and driver. Some work better some worse but saying that the car of the one who is currently wining must be better is too much simplified and moreover quite depreciating to abilities of the wining driver.

Alright,I still think Polos have most powerful engine and maybe best suspension/chassis, at the moment. Sweden is the rally that such things are the difference between the fastest guys. But let´s leave that.

However Hirvonen so far is the best of the rest and still he "lost it", "should leave his seat" to a slower driver etz, etz. How silly it sounds.

[makinen_fan]

However Hirvonen so far is the best of the rest and still he "lost it", "should leave his seat" to a slower driver etz, etz. How silly it sounds.

So is Tanak driving a VW ?? :rolleyes: And he hasnt driven a WRC for a year...

[Mirek]

Alright,I still think Polos have most powerful engine and maybe best suspension/chassis, at the moment. Sweden is the rally that such things are the difference between the fastest guys. But let´s leave that.

However Hirvonen so far is the best of the rest and still he "lost it", "should leave his seat" to a slower driver etz, etz. How silly it sounds.

I agree with Your statement about Hirvonen although You forgot Tänak who is ahead of him ;)

[noel157]

Presume daylight is fading fast in Sweden?

[makinen_fan]

Hanninen near off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKwlHHnK ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKwlHHnKLoU&feature=youtu.be)

[stefanvv]

Could be an Ogier tactic though...
Yes, I think after France last year, he likes to lose first day :D

[COD]

Any info on why Hänninen lost so much to Neuville on 5&6, as they were pretty eqal on 1-4?

[gzandar]

Presume daylight is fading fast in Sweden?

SS7 should be night stage.

[Francis44]

He has three Polos ahead, which are better cars at the moment.

I don't want to judge Hirvonen but I really don't like this kind of excuses. When he was in Fiesta he was in worse car than Loeb but when he moved to same car as Loeb he was even slower than with Fiesta. When he moved to Fiesta he is again in worse car - this time than Ogier but Latvala was faster with Fiesta than with Polo. Cars don't win alone, it's the combination of car and driver. Some work better some worse but saying that the car of the one who is currently wining must be better is too much simplified and moreover quite depreciating to abilities of the wining driver.

Alright,I still think Polos have most powerful engine and maybe best suspension/chassis, at the moment. Sweden is the rally that such things are the difference between the fastest guys. But let´s leave that.

However Hirvonen so far is the best of the rest and still he "lost it", "should leave his seat" to a slower driver etz, etz. How silly it sounds.

Exactly right, when did "best of the rest" was enough for Hirvonnen?!

[Rallyper]

Yes, Tanak´s doing well. But having in mind the critical voices on this forum, one leg isn´t enough proving anything. But we all know Tanak has potential. But we talked about "factory seats" and Tanak´s paying... ;)

[stefanvv]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|

[er88]

From Autosport:

Here's some more snow rallying philosophy from Kris Meeke, who today has been learning about judging changing levels of ice/snow/mud on a visually deceptive surface:

"You have to detune your eyes. You can see it, but you have to feel it with your arse."

[Rallyper]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.

[stefanvv]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.
I'm not judging Hirvonen, but the results are not good from common point of view

[stefanvv]

Though I agree VW is probably the best car at the moment

[Brother John]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

[A FONDO]

very short stages today, I find it pointless to make analyses of drivers' performance. the real competition starts tomorrow.

[Franky]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

There's no point of censorship. I've read majority of the today's pages and in my opinion there's pretty much nothing to clean up. If you expect people to speak in the style of classic literature, then we might as well format the entire forum.

[Rallyper]

very short stages today, I find it pointless to make analyses of drivers' performance. the real competition starts tomorrow.

As been said. :stareup:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Its certainly too early to judge anyone on this rally... long way to go and tactics and tyre availability aren't known with certainty...

Comment after tomorrow at least.

[mm1]

Again, a promising day for the future of our sport, gaps for top 14 around 10 sec. That's excelent.

[Mirek]

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

I'm waiting for Your answer for three weeks. Why did You ban me? Be a man and reply. I am not going to shot You for that.

Dear forum members, sorry for this annoying off topic but I have not received any answer by non-public way so I try other ways...

[Rallyper]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

I´m kind of speedy right now - but BJ you shouldn´t even think of start something stupid again... :o

[miniwintz]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.
He has a lot more experience, on his better days he would have been much faster than Tanak. Yes, Mikko is slow for not being able to keep up with a young driver that hasn't been in a WRC car for a year and a half.

[jonkka]

I am not believing my eyes... Where this forum is going?

[N.O.T]

brother john... you just failed at your duties... i expect the administrator to mode you right away...

[stefanvv]

Its certainly too early to judge anyone on this rally... long way to go and tactics and tyre availability aren't known with certainty...

Comment after tomorrow at least.
You are absolutelly right. Some drivers might just have destroyed their tyres for the rest of the Rally, lets wait and see

[Rallyper]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.
He has a lot more experience, on his better days he would have been much faster than Tanak. Yes, Mikko is slow for not being able to keep up with a young driver that hasn't been in a WRC car for a year and a half.

This discussion wouldn´t excist if everyone was kind of objective in his quotes.

[makinen_fan]

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

Why clean up the thread??? Nothing got out of normal talk about the current rally...

[Brother John]

I'm waiting for Your answer for three weeks. Why did You ban me? Be a man and reply. I am not going to shot You for that.

Dear forum members, sorry for this annoying off topic but I have not received any answer by non-public way so I try other ways...

You will never get a reply here on this thread.

[er88]

very short stages today, I find it pointless to make analyses of drivers' performance. the real competition starts tomorrow.

As been said. :stareup:

I find this view ridiculous imo. Mads and Mikko should have been( in fact said themselves) aiming for the win yet are both 22secs off the lead to Ogier!!!!!! So how can that happen if the real rally starts tomorrow? Whatever way you want to 'sugar coat' it- after 7(short) stages they are already pretty far back and both 8secs off a guy who has been out the WRC the last year. Stages are stages and only one of these was a superspecial. If the 'real rally' only starts tomorrow then the likelihood is that both Mads and Mikko have ruined their chances already considering Sebs form...

[satukata]

Very positive thing is that hyundai is competetive car.. And hänninen is almost as fast as thierry!!

And Tanak and mikkelsen are showing great speed. We have much better fights this year than last 5-10 years. Looks very positive for this sport!

[stefanvv]

very short stages today, I find it pointless to make analyses of drivers' performance. the real competition starts tomorrow.

As been said. :stareup:

I find this view ridiculous imo. Mads and Mikko should have been( in fact said themselves) aiming for the win yet are both 22secs off the lead to Ogier!!!!!! So how can that happen if the real rally starts tomorrow? Whatever way you want to 'sugar coat' it- after 7(short) stages they are already pretty far back and both 8secs off a guy who has been out the WRC the last year. Stages are stages and only one of these was a superspecial. If the 'real rally' only starts tomorrow then the likelihood is that both Mads and Mikko have ruined their chances already considering Sebs form...
I wouldn't be surprised also if it turns out Ogier has almost new tyres for the rest 2 days

[noel157]

Tanak is doing great job so far, but we know he can be very fast in Sweden. I thought the same for Hirvonen though :|
Hirvonen is 6 secs after Tanak after six stages and he isn´t fast? Please skip the B**LSH*t.

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

You could start by setting an example and moderate your own use of bad language.

[dimviii]

[quote="Brother John":3fjbc61w]

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:

Why clean up the thread??? Nothing got out of normal talk about the current rally...[/quote:3fjbc61w]

+1

[Rallyper]

[/quote]

As usual, a lot B**LSH*T here and I can not clean up som threads of many members here. :erm:[/quote]

You could start by setting an example and moderate your own use of bad language.[/quote]

Yeah, youré right. My fault. But when all non objective talk comes up I´m getting angry. And using that b******t word isn´t that bad, is it? After all there is a lot of it at the moment. Right BJ? ;)

[satukata]

very good live in wrc.com now!
http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[dimviii]

Henning

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfziN9OIQAA9wcT.jpg

[stefanvv]

A very positive day in general. No major driver retired. Privateers are making good competition, probably except Tidemand, but lets not judge before the Rally ends :)

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally 3 ???.
Huge moment for Jari Ketoma in SS7, damage to front left and right. Think he scared himself!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfznrDkIQAAz6KT.jpg

[COD]

Very positive thing is that hyundai is competetive car.. And hänninen is almost as fast as thierry!!

This is Swedish rally, and in my opinion almost as fast is not enough, Hänninen should be faster if he wants more events and even a cntract for next year. In some other event, almost would be good (not Finland of course)

I sort of get the point that these short stages are not fully representative to judge the pace of all drivers for the rest of the event, but I predict that we will not see big changes in the positions unless there are retirements / mechanical problems or offs. We have seen in many rallies that first stages show the way the event will unfold

[satukata]

Juho can´t drive "maximum attack". He is forced to keep the car on the road and no risk.
Monte carlo was so bad for the team. Now they want finish only!


tanak is max attack now

[janvanvurpa]

I'm waiting for Your answer for three weeks. Why did You ban me? Be a man and reply. I am not going to shot You for that.

Dear forum members, sorry for this annoying off topic but I have not received any answer by non-public way so I try other ways...

You will never get a reply here on this thread.


Then man up and answer Mirek, and the rest of us who are all appalled at the actions and your thinking where we were talking. Normal excitement and guys with favorites at an event 99% aren't at..normal stuff here.
Just what kind of conversation is acceptable to you?

Can you give us an example---a "template" eller en mall om du fatter ej vad 'template' är. of the approved style of writing?
It's hard to know how to write when we have no idea then suddenly in the middle of NORMAL chatter---you come along and say "I need to "clean up" this thread.

No you need to explain yourself, and your standards..then we can all conform... :stareup:
Eller avgå.

NOTHING is more offensive than somebody threatening to silence normal conversation.

[Mise]

I think Mikko has lost the speed. And I am a huge fan of him.
He should be right there with Ogier in order to fight for the win, but he's
22 secs behind. How is that gonna change.

Prove me wrong, Mikko!

[N.O.T]

nice day overall although the stages were small and i hate that... everything is open at the moment. VW will determine the winner if the others do not catch up.

[dimviii]

strange tactics from vw,considering who is 1st tonight doesn t matter at tomorrows startlist.
Mikkelsen battling with Ogier all day and decided to keep his tyres for last 7km stage,while he attacked at 2x18km ss and 3x 7km ss?
Maybe Ogier didn t like to be 2nd tonight

[stefanvv]

strange tactics from vw,considering who is 1st tonight doesn t matter at tomorrows startlist.
Mikkelsen battling with Ogier all day and decided to keep his tyres for last 7km stage,while he attacked at 2x18km ss and 3x 7km ss?
Maybe Ogier didn t like to be 2nd tonight
Mikkelsen said last stage he was on worn tyres to keep new for tomorrow.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... otograf=79 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13892&fotograf=79)

[dimviii]

strange tactics from vw,considering who is 1st tonight doesn t matter at tomorrows startlist.
Mikkelsen battling with Ogier all day and decided to keep his tyres for last 7km stage,while he attacked at 2x18km ss and 3x 7km ss?
Maybe Ogier didn t like to be 2nd tonight
Mikkelsen said last stage he was on worn tyres to keep new for tomorrow.

not worn,''used'' ;)

[stefanvv]

strange tactics from vw,considering who is 1st tonight doesn t matter at tomorrows startlist.
Mikkelsen battling with Ogier all day and decided to keep his tyres for last 7km stage,while he attacked at 2x18km ss and 3x 7km ss?
Maybe Ogier didn t like to be 2nd tonight
Mikkelsen said last stage he was on worn tyres to keep new for tomorrow.

not worn,''used'' ;)
ok :)

[A FONDO]

VW will determine the winner if the others do not catch up.
:laugh:


tactics from vw
:laugh:




being a citroen fan for a long time is dangerous for your mental health

[dimviii]

if you can t understand why Mikkelsen while fighting for stage wins all day,at last 7km stage he decided to protect his tyres with 10th stage time can t help you.Only your French phobia pills can help.
Also i am not a citroen fan,i am fan of rallying.I dont give a s$it if citroen wins or looses.

[N.O.T]

Any professional team would do it...

it is common sense in situations like these the risk to lose a driver due to a mistake is quite big and a FULL podium with just 1 team is a very nice advertisement.

Slow I do not expect you to understand everything... you are not a very smart person and it shows by the way you construct your posts...

[dimviii]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrall ... 322222495/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/12322222495/)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bfz2L4RIIAAyyja.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Dim behave yourself, dont use the s$it word ;) u will get banned...

Really curious if Ogier will make his usual trick and dissapear ahead of everyone else!!

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

[Nornbugger]

I'm waiting for Your answer for three weeks. Why did You ban me? Be a man and reply. I am not going to shot You for that.

Dear forum members, sorry for this annoying off topic but I have not received any answer by non-public way so I try other ways...

You will never get a reply here on this thread.


Then man up and answer Mirek, and the rest of us who are all appalled at the actions and your thinking where we were talking. Normal excitement and guys with favorites at an event 99% aren't at..normal stuff here.
Just what kind of conversation is acceptable to you?

Can you give us an example---a "template" eller en mall om du fatter ej vad 'template' är. of the approved style of writing?
It's hard to know how to write when we have no idea then suddenly in the middle of NORMAL chatter---you come along and say "I need to "clean up" this thread.

No you need to explain yourself, and your standards..then we can all conform... :stareup:
Eller avgå.

NOTHING is more offensive than somebody threatening to silence normal conversation.


Spot on, but BJ has shown clear that he isnt up to having a position with any power, for him to 'man up' would welcome, but it would be out of character

Enjoying this event so far, there's a lot to be played out yet but Mikkelsen and Tanaks pace today has been great, all in all a lot of positives so far on this event

[stefanvv]

dont use the s$it word ;) u will get banned...
It's more likely you might get banned for "I don't like..." ;) (referring Mirek's case)

[A FONDO]

whenever he needs it, Ogi makes 30-40 seconds per stage to other drivers, but when he wins 5 seconds against the multiple intergalactic champions Latvala and Mikelsen this is team order :laugh:

[Adler]

Judging from todays stages average speed (except Finnskogen) it seems "real" rallye sweden will start tomorrow...

one question about tires: some people here are talking about saving tires, but there was not even one service between todays stages, how many tires are allowed per crew?

[Sulland]

Too bad for Henning the puncture on todays last stage, almost a minute gone.

[stefanvv]

Judging from todays stages average speed (except Finnskogen) it seems "real" rallye sweden will start tomorrow...

one question about tires: some people here are talking about saving tires, but there was not even one service between todays stages, how many tires are allowed per crew?
I think there was service between loops. 28 tyres with stids are allowed here I believe.

[Rallyper]

Judging from todays stages average speed (except Finnskogen) it seems "real" rallye sweden will start tomorrow...

one question about tires: some people here are talking about saving tires, but there was not even one service between todays stages, how many tires are allowed per crew?

28 (all stages and SD)

[dimviii]

whenever he needs it, Ogi makes 30-40 seconds per stage to other drivers, but when he wins 5 seconds against the multiple intergalactic champions Latvala and Mikelsen this is team order :laugh:

Nobody said that Ogier can t take plenty of seconds from everybody current driver at his good day.
Tactics played at rallying for more than 20 years.Try to understand what you see,will help to enjoy this sport.

[KKS]

24 tyres per crew.
4tyres for Shake.

we have 6 service during a rally. So 24/6=4 new tyres per service. Any puncture - cost "not use new tyre at next stages". Quite strange rules from orga.

[Adler]

thanks all...still don´t understand why some crews saved tyres at shakedown though...

[Karukera]

I just don't get those tiny shorty stages. And it's getting worse with the years.

[KKS]

thanks all...still don´t understand why some crews saved tyres at shakedown though...
it's a big question. Cuz SD tyres must be marked and return after shake.

[stefanvv]

whenever he needs it, Ogi makes 30-40 seconds per stage to other drivers, but when he wins 5 seconds against the multiple intergalactic champions Latvala and Mikelsen this is team order :laugh:

Nobody said that Ogier can t take plenty of seconds from everybody current driver at his good day.
Tactics played at rallying for more than 20 years.Try to understand what you see,will help to enjoy this sport.
I don't think there is much difference running 15th or 16th tomorrow. Ogier can make the difference he wants running even at front anyway. Like Mikkelsen said, he was using all old tyres during last stage, probably some of others (VW) changed 2 of them, probably not.

[ironseb]

24 tyres per crew.
4tyres for Shake.

we have 6 service during a rally. So 24/6=4 new tyres per service. Any puncture - cost "not use new tyre at next stages". Quite strange rules from orga.

Cost reduction... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[KKS]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/12322222495/
dimviii, You see anywhere Protasov pictures from today stages?
WRR says that he broke windscreen, and could be interesting how big it cost for visibility

[KKS]

"Jump Jump, Jump"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV01gOWpevk

[dimviii]

I don't think there is much difference running 15th or 16th tomorrow. Ogier can make the difference he wants running even at front anyway. Like Mikkelsen said, he was using all old tyres during last stage, probably some of others (VW) changed 2 of them, probably not.
nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.Mikkelsen was slower than Evans at this stage.Evans is 12th overall.
That Ogier/vw played tactics in NOT bad.It doesn t minimise Ogiers excellence.Always factories will play inside the rules for their good image,to protect their No1 driver and for plenty other reasons.

[stefanvv]

24 tyres per crew.
4tyres for Shake.

we have 6 service during a rally. So 24/6=4 new tyres per service. Any puncture - cost "not use new tyre at next stages". Quite strange rules from orga.

Cost reduction... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Why is that so funny? :erm:

[dimviii]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/12322222495/
dimviii, You see anywhere Protasov pictures from today stages?
WRR says that he broke windscreen, and could be interesting how big it cost for visibility

i haven t notice any photo of him.If i find i will upload it mate.

[makinen_fan]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/12322222495/
dimviii, You see anywhere Protasov pictures from today stages?
WRR says that he broke windscreen, and could be interesting how big it cost for visibility

One from his fb account, not showing much though
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1779160_594902573917925_720467601_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Latvala :skull: :skull: :skull:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiVhFvz6UKw

[stefanvv]

I don't think there is much difference running 15th or 16th tomorrow. Ogier can make the difference he wants running even at front anyway. Like Mikkelsen said, he was using all old tyres during last stage, probably some of others (VW) changed 2 of them, probably not.
nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.Mikkelsen was slower than Evans at this stage.Evans is 12th overall.
That Ogier/vw played tactics in NOT bad.It doesn t minimise Ogiers excellence.Always factories will play inside the rules for their good image,to protect their No1 driver and for plenty other reasons.
I just amuses me, VW often had claimed they will not enforce any team orders, except probably for some title desisive occasion. So why all of a sudden they choose to do it here in 1st day at 2nd round (very short milleage btw), when it's clear no one can get near close to their leadership? Mikkelsen was slow on the last stage, ok, he lost no more than 5 seconds I think, because he claimed used old tyres for the reason to have more fresh for tomorrow (is it really worth to destroy 2 new tyres for these 5 seconds?). The weather will only get worse next 2 days (probably even rain) tyres are in deficit as I see already, so what is so strange, and what would bring this 1st place for Ogier for tomorrow?

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psq8uSXEaVk

[A FONDO]

I don't think there is much difference running 15th or 16th tomorrow. Ogier can make the difference he wants running even at front anyway. Like Mikkelsen said, he was using all old tyres during last stage, probably some of others (VW) changed 2 of them, probably not.
nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.Mikkelsen was slower than Evans at this stage.Evans is 12th overall.
That Ogier/vw played tactics in NOT bad.It doesn t minimise Ogiers excellence.Always factories will play inside the rules for their good image,to protect their No1 driver and for plenty other reasons.
VW doesn't have No.1 driver

[ironseb]

24 tyres per crew.
4tyres for Shake.

we have 6 service during a rally. So 24/6=4 new tyres per service. Any puncture - cost "not use new tyre at next stages". Quite strange rules from orga.

Cost reduction... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Why is that so funny? :erm:

Because tyre régulation is stupid since 1995 in WRC. It's like that... laughter is the best medecine.

[dimviii]

I just amuses me, VW often had claimed they will not enforce any team orders, except probably for some title desisive occasion.

there is no factory team that will say ''we will play tactics'' But for their reasons will do at any cost.We ve see it plenty of times for decades.


So why all of a sudden they choose to do it here in 1st day at 2nd round (very short milleage btw), when it's clear no one can get near close to their leadership?
because Ogier wanted,or vw do it to keep him calm.At fabia days we saw the same think with Ogier-Mikkelsen.Suddenly at last day Mikkelsen was slow again.Same team,same drivers,and without ''used'' tyres.Ogier 2 days was complaining about road position at every stage stop (without asking him something from journalists)while they were 2-3 positions near.At last day when Mikkelsen backed off,he didn t complained at all.


Mikkelsen was slow on the last stage, ok, he lost no more than 5 seconds I think, because he claimed used old tyres for the reason to have more fresh for tomorrow (is it really worth to destroy 2 new tyres for these 5 seconds?). The weather will only get worse next 2 days (probably even rain) tyres are in deficit as I see already, so what is so strange, and what would bring this 1st place for Ogier for tomorrow?

so Mikkelsen had used tyres,and their No1 driver with ''new'' ones with 2 long days more and unpredictable conditions? With 1-2-3 for vw and 15 sec gap you would ''spoil'' the new tyres at your No 1 driver,and preserne tyres for your No3 driver?As you can see it doesn t make sense at all. ;)

[PLuto]

Starting order into second leg - http://rally-base.com/2014/rally-sweden ... TypeId=416 (http://rally-base.com/2014/rally-sweden-2014/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=416)

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb3_saOEJo

[TheFlyingTuga]

Latvala :skull: :skull: :skull:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiVhFvz6UKw

Seeing this, or the Ogier off's during Monte, copmpared to Bouffier crash at Letonia, really makes me think that VW have the world's fastest tank....

[KKS]

One from his fb account, not showing much though
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1779160_594902573917925_720467601_n.jpg
tnx. +2 beers :)
Looks like from co-driver side. So it did not big affect.

[COD]

nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.

There was no hard ice today, lots of loose snow though. Grip doesn't come from studs only but rubber too. If the rubber is worn, then much less grip. That could be the explanation.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb3_saOEJo

Slowson have plenty of pills.Borrow from him.

[KKS]

so Mikkelsen had used tyres,and their No1 driver with ''new'' ones with 2 long days more and unpredictable conditions? With 1-2-3 for vw and 15 sec gap you would ''spoil'' the new tyres at your No 1 driver,and preserne tyres for your No3 driver?As you can see it doesn t make sense at all. ;)
I think all tyres are marked, and Ogier not allow use Mikkelsen tyres.

[dimviii]

nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.

There was no hard ice today, lots of loose snow though. Grip doesn't come from studs only but rubber too. If the rubber is worn, then much less grip. That could be the explanation.

yes but we dont know how worn they were for each driver.Vw will not preserve tyres for Mikkelsen and spoil tyres for Ogier.It doesn t make sense,as simple as that.

[dimviii]

so Mikkelsen had used tyres,and their No1 driver with ''new'' ones with 2 long days more and unpredictable conditions? With 1-2-3 for vw and 15 sec gap you would ''spoil'' the new tyres at your No 1 driver,and preserne tyres for your No3 driver?As you can see it doesn t make sense at all. ;)
I think all tyres are marked, and Ogier not allow use Mikkelsen tyres.

ofcoyrse.Each tyre has its bar code number.Before the rally all 28 tyres are scanned the barcodes,and they are checking them through the rally.So you can t use tyres from other driver,or a driver he has retired.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Prokop's off ... nice help by the fans then he's leaves them on the floor ... :eek:

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... l?v=153658 (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html?v=153658)

[stefanvv]

there is no factory team that will say ''we will play tactics'' But for their reasons will do at any cost.We ve see it plenty of times for decades.
Citroen did that on numerous occasions for Mr. Loeb. Is that the whole problem VW to play some tactics? Because Ogier just "can't" be better than Loeb? :D


because Ogier wanted,or vw do it to keep him calm.At fabia days we saw the same think with Ogier-Mikkelsen.Suddenly at last day Mikkelsen was slow again.Same team,same drivers,and without ''used'' tyres.Ogier 2 days was complaining about road position at every stage stop (without asking him something from journalists)while they were 2-3 positions near.At last day when Mikkelsen backed off,he didn t complained at all.
Ogier's only ambition in 2012 with S2000 was to prepare a car for his team, so he will smash all the competition next year. I don't think a victory in S2000 would satisfy him enough, moreover - a given one. He is not Loeb.


so Mikkelsen had used tyres,and their No1 driver with ''new'' ones with 2 long days more and unpredictable conditions? With 1-2-3 for vw and 15 sec gap you would ''spoil'' the new tyres at your No 1 driver,and preserne tyres for your No3 driver?As you can see it doesn t make sense at all. ;)
I didn't said anywhere Ogier had "new" tyres. Just Mikkelsen used his old to save his "new". May be Ogier was just "better" of saving tyres :confused:

[BleAivano]

in case anyone haven't seen this yet: http://www.rallysweden.com/2014/02/info ... adstravet/ (http://www.rallysweden.com/2014/02/info-changes-at-farjestadstravet/)

"There have been some changes to the program for SS 16 on Färjestadstravet Friday Evening.

Below you find the new program:
16.00 The arena opens
18.30 Start of the show
19.00 First heat WRC
20.00 Reb Bull FSX/FMX Show
20.30 Rally Sweden Historic

(The start of Rally Sweden Historic have been changed from 17.00 to 20.30)."

[dimviii]

there is no factory team that will say ''we will play tactics'' But for their reasons will do at any cost.We ve see it plenty of times for decades.
Citroen did that on numerous occasions for Mr. Loeb. Is that the whole problem VW to play some tactics? Because Ogier just "can't" be better than Loeb? :D


because Ogier wanted,or vw do it to keep him calm.At fabia days we saw the same think with Ogier-Mikkelsen.Suddenly at last day Mikkelsen was slow again.Same team,same drivers,and without ''used'' tyres.Ogier 2 days was complaining about road position at every stage stop (without asking him something from journalists)while they were 2-3 positions near.At last day when Mikkelsen backed off,he didn t complained at all.
Ogier's only ambition in 2012 with S2000 was to prepare a car for his team, so he will smash all the competition next year. I don't think a victory in S2000 would satisfy him enough, moreover - a given one. He is not Loeb.


so Mikkelsen had used tyres,and their No1 driver with ''new'' ones with 2 long days more and unpredictable conditions? With 1-2-3 for vw and 15 sec gap you would ''spoil'' the new tyres at your No 1 driver,and preserne tyres for your No3 driver?As you can see it doesn t make sense at all. ;)
I didn't said anywhere Ogier had "new" tyres. Just Mikkelsen used his old to save his "new". May be Ogier was just "better" of saving tyres :confused:

only pills will help you more.Sorry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGUdNSoUoY

[stefanvv]

only pills will help you more.Sorry...
I'm sorry too, didn't started all "VW played tactics" stuff, so you see Ogier is not God and everyone can beat him :D

EDIT: In fact I think if he had lost over a minute on last stage, he still would win and be happy about it. No reputation is harmed in any way I believe :D

[A FONDO]

...pills...
why you begin discussions that you cant end up properly? better stay quiet, unless you are masohist.

[dimviii]

only pills will help you more.Sorry...
I'm sorry too, didn't started all "VW played tactics" stuff, so you see Ogier is not God and everyone can beat him :D

not this is YOUR conclusion.I said that Ogier is best driver,and that tactics doesn t minimise his capabilities AT ALL.Take your pills and calm down.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Giving Craig Breen a mention on his WRC car debut... no accidents and had trouble with a misfire, so not a bad start.

Hope he can take it to the finish and gain some priceless experience..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bfx-xq0IUAAWXLR.jpg:large

[dimviii]

...pills...
why you begin discussions that you cant end up properly? better stay quiet, unless you are masohist.
i can answer everything you ask me,but is useless for you and stefanvv.
a week before you finish the pills inform me to sent you a new bunch.

[stefanvv]

I said that Ogier is best driver,and that tactics doesn t minimise his capabilities AT ALL.
Nope, you instist that there is some imaginable tactics Ogier to be happy that leads Mikkelsen on day 1 with 5 seconds, help me here to understand this. :D

BTW if your theory is true, he would be really mad to lose 1st day from Loeb last year at France. Sorry, can't see any logic here :D

[EightGear]

Kindergarten is somewhere else guys.

[stefanvv]

Kindergarten is somewhere else guys.
Yep, I hope we won't get banned

[dimviii]

I said that Ogier is best driver,and that tactics doesn t minimise his capabilities AT ALL.
Nope, you instist that there is some imaginable tactics Ogier to be happy that leads Mikkelsen on day 1 with 5 seconds, help me here to understand this. :D

BTW if your theory is true, he would be really mad to lose 1st day from Loeb last year at France. Sorry, can't see any logic here :D

if you manage to get out of Loeb,in conjuction with pills you will understand.

[stefanvv]

I said that Ogier is best driver,and that tactics doesn t minimise his capabilities AT ALL.
Nope, you instist that there is some imaginable tactics Ogier to be happy that leads Mikkelsen on day 1 with 5 seconds, help me here to understand this. :D

BTW if your theory is true, he would be really mad to lose 1st day from Loeb last year at France. Sorry, can't see any logic here :D

if you manage to get out of Loeb,in conjuction with pills you will understand.
I'm sorry, can't continue this arguing. I really can't :) . Lets enjoy the Rally next 2 days, and may the best driver win

[A FONDO]

...pills...
why you begin discussions that you cant end up properly? better stay quiet, unless you are masohist.
i can answer everything you ask me,.
can Ogier make faster time than Mikelsen with less tyre wear than him? is he more effective than him?
can Mikelsen say publicly "I decided to save tyres" when in fact his tyres are just finished and cant hold him in the line?

[jparker]

Is this Juho's first start with WRC car?
Anyone expected more from him, or it's too early to judge?

[dimviii]

can Ogier make faster time than Mikelsen with less tyre wear than him?
at this snow rally we dont know.If you have such an inside information i will be happy to listen it.


is he more effective than him?
on most occasions yes.

can Mikelsen say publicly "I decided to save tyres" when in fact his tyres are just finished and cant hold him in the line?
how you know his tyres are finished?how you know his tyres are more or less worn than Ogiers? with 30km of stages between tyre change,tyres are finished? tomorrow with 58km stages between change he will compete with rims only? :laugh:

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140206/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140206-0356.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140206/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140206-0363.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140206/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140206-0355.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2014/20140206/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140206-0359.jpg

[EightGear]

Is this Juho's first start with WRC car?
Anyone expected more from him, or it's too early to judge?

No he did 3 events in a Fiesta last year. He won a stage in Monte Carlo.

[stefanvv]

Anyone expected more from him, or it's too early to judge?
He was Hyunday test driver, developed the car, there was some discussion on WRR today about it. Probably we can assume snow Rallies suit him. I don't know what to say, but it's not "Hyunday employed team tactics". Probably expected little more speed from him anyway.

[A FONDO]

[with 30km of stages between tyre change,tyres are finished? tomorrow with 58km stages between change he will compete with rims only?
it is possible, if he keeps this high pace and is not effective on tyres. this is why in my first post today I said "now is too early, we should speak tomorrow"

[dimviii]

Probably expected little more speed from him anyway.

you expect speed while at their first rally didn t manage to collect data....
First you have to understand such easy subjects,and then why factories playing tactics.

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbnZzaqB-s

[Criterium]

As regards the route, the hard work begins tomorrow...
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/15/38/23/21/presrv16.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1067&u=15382321)

check it on
http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[Rallyper]

Probably expected little more speed from him anyway.

you expect speed while at their first rally didn t manage to collect data....
First you have to understand such easy subjects,and then why factories playing tactics.

Playing tactics (if they were) at this stage of the rally is just provocative from VW. Juho´s performance today just mirrors what Hyundai expects just as Dimviii says. Maybe last stage he´ll be allowed to be flat out if he is on 8-12th place in total.

[dimviii]

[with 30km of stages between tyre change,tyres are finished? tomorrow with 58km stages between change he will compete with rims only?
it is possible, if he keeps this high pace and is not effective on tyres. this is why in my first post today I said "now is too early, we should speak tomorrow"

and why didn t manage to kept his pace today with half km stages(YOU said that his tyres were worn)?Ogier wasn t close with Tanak or any other driver,Latvala was ahead of other drivers,so he hadn t got any reason to risk tyre wear. Of course it is too early,but we discuss what we saw till now.i told you it doesn t makes sence.

[leighton323]

Guys.. Seriously.. Every rally it is the same constant pointless argument. I read every post on this forum and am kind of over listening to it constantly, and maybe everyone else is to. You guys are respected forum members and provide a lot of useful discussions but this is just silly. Ogier is a good driver, Loeb is a good driver, but they are drivers of different generations. VW are a good team, Citroen are a good team.
Please just leave it at that.

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx-VZxv_4-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xvgBhkt0ms

After 2 mins day 1 review begins on BTSport 2 - http://www.hqsport.tv/bt_sport2.php

[A FONDO]

[with 30km of stages between tyre change,tyres are finished? tomorrow with 58km stages between change he will compete with rims only?
it is possible, if he keeps this high pace and is not effective on tyres. this is why in my first post today I said "now is too early, we should speak tomorrow"

and why didn t manage to kept his pace today with half km stages(YOU said that his tyres were worn)?Ogier wasn t close with Tanak or any other driver,Latvala was ahead of other drivers,so he hadn t got any reason to risk tyre wear. Of course it is too early,but we discuss what we saw till now.i told you it doesn t makes sence.
perhaps because he wants to prove himself?

[dimviii]

perhaps because he wants to prove himself?
beeing a factory driver,i dont think that what he wanted (Mikkelsen level driver)to proove is acceptable, against risking for points,or tyre wear in 1st day, and without be in danger of other competitors.Specially at second rally of year.
Imho Mikkelsen was on a good day inside familiar stages at his familiar surface.Ogier is not the first time that he is not at 100% at 1st day.Lately we have see this plenty of times.Of course at 2nd day or 3rd we ve see that if he drives as good as he can,there are not any drivers they can compete him.
Ogier is well known for his strange character.He doesn t like to loose even a single stage.Before some days at Monte while he was winner,he said at power stage he didn t pushed because he lost from Latvala for 2 tenths.Latvala is his team mate...
So dont be so sure that today we hadn t got any tactics.
If i was at vw manager position i would do the same. i wouldn t risk ANYTHING with my best driver,and world champion.

[stefanvv]

Probably expected little more speed from him anyway.

you expect speed while at their first rally didn t manage to collect data....
First you have to understand such easy subjects,and then why factories playing tactics.
Oh, I can easily understand Hyunday's tactics here. They want to finish the Rally for sure, to make decent milleage, that is certain. I just expected Hanninen to be "little" more faster, than Neuville at least, that were the argumets I was writing. He has lot more experience than Neuville with Hyunday, probably also faster on snow, and we also can agree he is very fast driver. I'm not saying there is any consiracy here, just wonder his motivation....

[hari]

My first pictures from Wednesday and Thursday:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_ ... 2014_1.php (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2014_1.php)

http://www.ir7.at/se1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/se2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/se3.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/se4.jpg

[stefanvv]

Ogier is well known for his strange character.He doesn t like to loose even a single stage.Before some days at Monte while he was winner,he said at power stage he didn t pushed because he lost from Latvala for 2 tenths.Latvala is his team mate...
So dont be so sure that today we hadn t got any tactics.
If i was at vw manager position i would do the same. i wouldn t risk ANYTHING with my best driver,and world champion.
I think you seriously underestimate Ogier's mentality and right motivation. I must say I'm really surprised that VW would do anything, just to make him happy. Probably even will go furhter and say Capito would support much more Latvala, because he has worked long time with him.... and he needs to much more than Ogier.

[A.F.F.]

Probably expected little more speed from him anyway.

you expect speed while at their first rally didn t manage to collect data....
First you have to understand such easy subjects,and then why factories playing tactics.
Oh, I can easily understand Hyunday's tactics here. They want to finish the Rally for sure, to make decent milleage, that is certain. I just expected Hanninen to be "little" more faster, than Neuville at least, that were the argumets I was writing. He has lot more experience than Neuville with Hyunday, probably also faster on snow, and we also can agree he is very fast driver. I'm not saying there is any consiracy here, just wonder his motivation....

There's nothing wrong with his motivation, he just isn't a"very fast driver".

[stefanvv]

After 2 mins day 1 review begins on BTSport 2 - http://www.hqsport.tv/bt_sport2.php
Hirvonen explained the differences in the cars in Sweden. Did you notice he carries 2 shovels.

[dimviii]

Ogier is well known for his strange character.He doesn t like to loose even a single stage.Before some days at Monte while he was winner,he said at power stage he didn t pushed because he lost from Latvala for 2 tenths.Latvala is his team mate...
So dont be so sure that today we hadn t got any tactics.
If i was at vw manager position i would do the same. i wouldn t risk ANYTHING with my best driver,and world champion.
I think you seriously underestimate Ogier's mentality and right motivation. I must say I'm really surprised that VW would do anything, just to make him happy. Probably even will go furhter and say Capito would support much more Latvala, because he has worked long time with him.... and he needs to much more than Ogier.

please dont continue this...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--UfM4Is9cE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcGy4ILULNA

[noel157]

Good footage of SS 3 & 5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXduukP ... ploademail (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXduukPVaek&feature=em-uploademail)

[stefanvv]

please dont continue this...
Just my opinion at loud. Nothing bad.

[KKS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--UfM4Is9cE

strange swedish tradition - use vertical mirror for youtube video's

[BleAivano]

Weather forecast for tomorrow looks awful. Rains is expcted for more or less the entire day tomorrow and Saturday,

So its going to get really messy. :( :\

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sver ... id=2709214 (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/land/hourByHourTable.do;smhi_ppsessionid=qcqlpUwXZdEQn6 LxenMgiVSc?starttime=&endtime=2014-02-07%2023%3A00%3A00&geonameid=2709214)

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lXBLZd6Oc

[KKS]

Onboard SS5 form Gorban
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULK3uWGk ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULK3uWGkBu8&feature=youtu.be)

[makinen_fan]

Breen is a bit lucky to survive this without being stuck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SdVBuf96l8

[Mirek]

Is this Juho's first start with WRC car?
Anyone expected more from him, or it's too early to judge?

He is 10 seconds behind WRC vice-champion. That's not bad IMO. Plus as Dimitris pointed out they desperately need to collect data. After the Monte disaster they can not afford to have both cars early out like last time. If they are serious they must have ordered their drivers to drive for finish. For speed reference they don't need to push whole rally, some stages or even selected splits are telling too.

[Slipzen]

Short summary of todays event from my view.
I was at Finnskogen 1 and 2 approx 1.5 km from the finish. Really good attack from Mikkelsen and Tänak. Ogier looks like he is cruising but it is very fast. No dramas except for Gröndal during first loop. I a medium right hander he understeerd and were completly off the road with all four wheels. I was convinced that he should be stuck in the ditch but he kept the pedal to the metal and managed to get back on the road. Just loosing maybe five seconds. Impressive :D

[bluuford]

Weather forecast for tomorrow looks awful. Rains is expcted for more or less the entire day tomorrow and Saturday,

So its going to get really messy. :( :\

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sver ... id=2709214 (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/land/hourByHourTable.do;smhi_ppsessionid=qcqlpUwXZdEQn6 LxenMgiVSc?starttime=&endtime=2014-02-07%2023%3A00%3A00&geonameid=2709214)

Well, it is general forecast for Hagfors. It looks different for stages:
Mostly the temperature on stages will be between 0 and +1, slight wet snow on first two stages and medium-strong wet snow for third stage. For Hafors, it might be rain (temperature +1..+2). Afrenoon stages should get heavy snow and heavy wet snow. Hagfors second run should also get some wet snow. For Karlstad, it will be either wet snow or rain.
It looks that there will be enough snow to cause trouble for the first cars on the road.
But it will be very close indeed.. Temperature is just between the border of snow and rain!

[COD]

nobody complained at today stages for spikes out of tyres.So used tyres(and not worn tyres) can t be so ''slow'' at just 7km.

There was no hard ice today, lots of loose snow though. Grip doesn't come from studs only but rubber too. If the rubber is worn, then much less grip. That could be the explanation.

yes but we dont know how worn they were for each driver.Vw will not preserve tyres for Mikkelsen and spoil tyres for Ogier.It doesn t make sense,as simple as that.

Let me exlain you the best I can. Tyres marked for each driver, no driver can use other drivers tyres. Othervise team would enter 3 cars and retire 1 before SS 1 to give the two remaining more fresh tyres.

So what probably happened was that they all had 6 new ones when they started. Mikkelsen decided not to use the two new spares today to save them for the last two day, others might have opted to use those spares today.

[dimviii]

Let me exlain you the best I can. Tyres marked for each driver, no driver can use other drivers tyres. Othervise team would enter 3 cars and retire 1 before SS 1 to give the two remaining more fresh tyres.

So what probably happened was that they all had 6 new ones when they started. Mikkelsen decided not to use the two new spares today to save them for the last two day, others might have opted to use those spares today.

there is nothing to explain mate,i ve already wrote all these 2 pages back



ofcoyrse.Each tyre has its bar code number.Before the rally all 28 tyres are scanned the barcodes,and they are checking them through the rally.So you can t use tyres from other driver,or a driver he has retired.

once more,if vw wanted to save tyres because of unpredictable weather/conditions for next 2 days,they would choose Ogier.Ogier for many different reasons,and not Mikkelsen.Both of them had the same gap to Tanak at stage 6.

[COD]

[quote="dimviii"

once more,if vw wanted to save tyres because of unpredictable weather/conditions for next 2 days,they would choose Ogier.Ogier for many different reasons,and not Mikkelsen.Both of them had the same gap to Tanak at stage 6.[/quote]

It is very hard for a team to make these decisions when the drivers are out on the stages. Mostly these are drivers decisions, they choose what to do with the tyres they have onboard.

[tolis]

Which car is Bjorn Waldegard using? I heard he is zero car...

[er88]

Weather forecast for tomorrow looks awful. Rains is expcted for more or less the entire day tomorrow and Saturday,

So its going to get really messy. :( :\

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sver ... id=2709214 (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/land/hourByHourTable.do;smhi_ppsessionid=qcqlpUwXZdEQn6 LxenMgiVSc?starttime=&endtime=2014-02-07%2023%3A00%3A00&geonameid=2709214)

Well, it is general forecast for Hagfors. It looks different for stages:
Mostly the temperature on stages will be between 0 and +1, slight wet snow on first two stages and medium-strong wet snow for third stage. For Hafors, it might be rain (temperature +1..+2). Afrenoon stages should get heavy snow and heavy wet snow. Hagfors second run should also get some wet snow. For Karlstad, it will be either wet snow or rain.
It looks that there will be enough snow to cause trouble for the first cars on the road.
But it will be very close indeed.. Temperature is just between the border of snow and rain!

Bluuford thanks for these brilliant weather forecasts you continually give us. Im sure i speak for the whole forum when i say we really appreciate them. Cheers :)

[MikeD]

My first pictures from Wednesday and Thursday:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_ ... 2014_1.php (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2014_1.php)



Really good pictures, some of the best I have seen uploaded in a long time ... very sharp. If you get more of Solowow or HSolberg or Hänninen or Tidemand please upload them, if you have the time :)

[Jafry]

Photos from 1st DAY HERE: www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1230 (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1230)

[MikeD]

WTF? Did I just read that Mirek has been banned? Who on earth came up with that idea? He's the most knowledgably guy in here when it comes to rally, and is always helpful when somebody has a technical question.

[HarriK]

Kruuda had broken driveshaft and spin at last stage.

[HarriK]

WTF? Did I just read that Mirek has been banned? Who on earth came up with that idea? He's the most knowledgably guy in here when it comes to rally, and is always helpful when somebody has a technical question.

Was banned or is still banned?
WAKE UP MODERATORS!

[jonkka]

Apparently was. Unless he's been banned again.

[leighton323]

http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html
A wee bit happening on the WRC Livestream at the moment.

[big_sw2000]

WTF? Did I just read that Mirek has been banned? Who on earth came up with that idea? He's the most knowledgably guy in here when it comes to rally, and is always helpful when somebody has a technical question.

Come on chaps, let's keep this thread about the rally. We've had a page and a half of this earlier.

Steve

[dimviii]

good morning guys!

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally 42 ?????
@sebmarshall @RallySweden Marshall telling me heavy rain on road section, heavy snow on highest section of stage a couple of hours ago

[KKS]

Well, it is general forecast for Hagfors. It looks different for stages:
Mostly the temperature on stages will be between 0 and +1, slight wet snow on first two stages and medium-strong wet snow for third stage. For Hafors, it might be rain (temperature +1..+2). Afrenoon stages should get heavy snow and heavy wet snow. Hagfors second run should also get some wet snow. For Karlstad, it will be either wet snow or rain.
It looks that there will be enough snow to cause trouble for the first cars on the road.
But it will be very close indeed.. Temperature is just between the border of snow and rain!

Bluuford thanks for these brilliant weather forecasts you continually give us. Im sure i speak for the whole forum when i say we really appreciate them. Cheers :)
Agree! :)

Thx bluuford for your work :)

[dimviii]

elena daniel ?@wrccodriver 11 ???.
Temp:22 coffee ready and now live WRC radio and splits ;-))

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf2rlBgIYAA8H3F.jpg

[jonkka]

He's following the rally? Not working?

[KKS]

WTF? Did I just read that Mirek has been banned? Who on earth came up with that idea? He's the most knowledgably guy in here when it comes to rally, and is always helpful when somebody has a technical question.

Was banned or is still banned?
WAKE UP MODERATORS!
Looks like Moderators trying to close WRC discussion here, just post from privileged users and ban notification

[KKS]

He's following the rally? Not working?
He is Monégasque . He don't go to work at all :D

[jonkka]

He is Monégasque . He don't go to work at all :D

It's first time I've heard former driver/co-driver following rally via net. Usually they fly to the route in a heli.

[dimviii]

Neuville reported stopped in the stage

[jonkka]

Which is it, Meeke is surprisingly slow or Evans is surprisingly fast? Meeke is much more experienced yet they are separated only by approx 20 secs.

[stefanvv]

Not good

[KKS]

Neuville reported stopped in the stage
Bad news... now Juho will be drive not faster then R2 cars :(

[big_sw2000]

Which is it, Meeke is surprisingly slow or Evans is surprisingly fast? Meeke is much more experienced yet they are separated only by approx 20 secs.
Neither have any idea how to set up the car in the snow.

Steve

[mm1]

Which is it, Meeke is surprisingly slow or Evans is surprisingly fast? Meeke is much more experienced yet they are separated only by approx 20 secs.
What do you mean with this, they are separated by 0,8 sec.

[Mintexmemory]

WTF? Did I just read that Mirek has been banned? Who on earth came up with that idea? He's the most knowledgably guy in here when it comes to rally, and is always helpful when somebody has a technical question.

Was banned or is still banned?
WAKE UP MODERATORS!
Looks like Moderators trying to close WRC discussion here, just post from privileged users and ban notification

:rolleyes: and have a heavy sigh too. Mirek is not banned. There is an ongoing matter he is concerned with but only the forum owner or an administrator can resolve. In the meantime can we stop hysteria and stop typing in CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!
Back to the subject of this thread please and less wild accusations too (or else ;))

[jonkka]

What do you mean with this, they are separated by 0,8 sec.

In overall classification by 23,8 secs.

[KKS]

Spin for Ott, and pacenotes problems.

[LowTech]

First time here, good morning!

Pardon my rookie question, but are there any live streaming sites that have any on-stage cameras for Sweden? WRC.com only has empty paddock views......... :o

[stefanvv]

Latvala is on a charge today

[Mintexmemory]

Big Push from JML -interesting!

[KKS]

OGIER STOP??????

[MikeD]

Ogier has stopped....and is moving again

[dimviii]

he is moving,probably on snowbank?

[6789]

Come on JML!

[stefanvv]

Stopped again, not good

[Rally Hokkaido]

stopped again = WRR speculating that he may be clearing snow from radiator

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hanaaaa Jari-Matti hanaaaaaaaa.......now MAX ATTACK!!! Go Go. Great time!

[er88]

Ogier out..... ?????? :o

[dimviii]

Ogier stops again and is passed by Al Rajhi - poss clearing snow from radiator and air intakes @SebOgier