Rallye France Alsace 2013

[jbmarcus21]

Road program is out
Wrc Rallye de France-Alsace 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/france-alsace2013/)

[Mirek]

Power stage in the city... :(

[tommeke_B]

Political power stage... They pass some 50m from the European Parliament. If you go there, You can see the cars, and that's it, nothing special to see...

[Allyc85]

Really hoping to be able to make the trip over to see king Loebs last WRC outing. Might make it part of one big european road trip :)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Political power stage... They pass some 50m from the European Parliament.
It's strange that they would make the first stage of thhe rally the Power Stage. Especially since the final stage of the rally is a super-special in Haguenau, and has apparently been chosen so that Sebastien Loeb's final rally ends in his hometown. It wouldn't surprise me if the finish line is right outside the house where he grew up, or the start of the first stage of the very first local rally that he did.

[Kielder]

It's strange that they would make the first stage of thhe rally the Power Stage. Especially since the final stage of the rally is a super-special in Haguenau, and has apparently been chosen so that Sebastien Loeb's final rally ends in his hometown. It wouldn't surprise me if the finish line is right outside the house where he grew up, or the start of the first stage of the very first local rally that he did.

It's a shame he wasn't born in Bastelica or Acqua Doria, for example.

[jbmarcus21]

update with timetable now Wrc Rallye de France-Alsace 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/france-alsace2013/) ;)

[trickydicky]

Are there any plans post Loeb's retirement to go back to Corsica?

[Kielder]

Everything already booked! The last battle won't disappoint. Less than two months left! :bounce:

[Mintexmemory]

Everything already booked! The last battle won't disappoint. Less than two months left! :bounce:

Let's see how Seb O and the Polo go on the black stuff in Germany. It may be a dog on dry fast ashphalt so no contest in France if that's the case ;)

[tommeke_B]

Let's see how Seb O and the Polo go on the black stuff in Germany. It may be a dog on dry fast ashphalt so no contest in France if that's the case ;)

Come on, you know it isn't... Also the first tests of the car were on tarmac if I'm correct?

[Mintexmemory]

Come on, you know it isn't... Also the first tests of the car were on tarmac if I'm correct?

Indeed, I suspect it will raise the bar again for tarmac handling :) I was looking at last year's. Deutschland thread last night and had to laugh when I read NOT's opinion that the Polo wouldn't be competitive 'out of the box'. I might start a thread on inaccurate predictions from past threads. However I think I might be a principal contributor ;)

[NxOxT]

these were the exact words from the god himself...

"The big question is how competitive the Polo will be... I doubt they are going to be at Citroens and Fords standards straight out of the box, although something like that would be very good for the championship."

and that was before the collapse of everything at citroen and ford.... so please get your facts straight... do not just post inaccurate things.... especially when a member is banned and cannot defend himself... or if you cannot do that go create another pickem thread.

[EightGear]

He's back.

[noel157]

Hey NOT, hope you're well.

[Mintexmemory]

these were the exact words from the god himself...

"The big question is how competitive the Polo will be... I doubt they are going to be at Citroens and Fords standards straight out of the box, although something like that would be very good for the championship."

and that was before the collapse of everything at citroen and ford.... so please get your facts straight... do not just post inaccurate things.... especially when a member is banned and cannot defend himself... or if you cannot do that go create another pickem thread.

:D Don't dissemble. You have much to say for a defenceless ,banned lurker - welcome sir ;)

[NxOxT]

I am not back... but i cannot let things float when they are not true.

[euskalteam]

We will see a nice battle in France. 2 Sebs, Latvala, Neuville and Sordo fighting for the victory!

[dupanton]

We will see a nice battle in France. 2 Sebs fighting for the victory, Latvala, Neuville and Sordo for 3th!

Corrected that for you ;)

[euskalteam]

:laugh: :rotflmao:

Good one! But I hope now Sordo without the pressure of having to score point for manufacturers in France can do something more!

[Mintexmemory]

:laugh: :rotflmao:

Good one! But I hope now Sordo without the pressure of having to score point for manufacturers in France can do something more!
Different pressure, the unspoken team order that you aren't allowed to challenge Couilles d'or ;)

[dimviii]

Different pressure, the unspoken team order that you aren't allowed to challenge Couilles d'or ;)

last weekend you saw that this ''unspoken team order'' exists?
i didn t .

[Mintexmemory]

last weekend you saw that this ''unspoken team order'' exists?
i didn t .
You misunderstand - Of course there were no team orders last weekend, the mice are allowed to play so long as the cat isn't in the house. The atmosphere in the Citroen team will be entirely ( even unintentionally ) different when Golden Balls is making his grand exit

[dimviii]

mices not allowed?.... Does somebody didnt allowed Mikko and Sordo to win this year?
Maybe you want to say ''Loeb is lucky'' but you cant find the way to express it?
Sordo and Mikko just they can t drive fast.Thats all,without hiding between words.

[Mintexmemory]

mices not allowed?.... Does somebody didnt allowed Mikko and Sordo to win this year?
Maybe you want to say ''Loeb is lucky'' but you cant find the way to express it?
Sordo and Mikko just they can t drive fast.Thats all,without hiding between words.

To be explicit
a) Loeb is brilliant, not just in car control but also the psychology of winning
b) Those who suffer most from this psychological stress are his team mates. They see the love the team lavish on the leader and long for that feeling. Sorry, there can be only one.
c) All season the team has just been waiting for 'how it used to be when SL was there all the time.
d) Sordo was suddenly faced with a 'perform or you'll be replaced' situation and was finally jerked out of the cycle. Mikko definitely hasn't. Australia is his equivalent rally.
e) The mice are lab mice they have conditioned themselves because they don't want to be in the situation that Ogier was in - absence of love is better than hate.
f) Clearly Sordo and Hirvonen are quick drivers but they have been / are losing their internal battles

[dimviii]

To be explicit
a) Loeb is brilliant, not just in car control but also the psychology of winning
yes you are right.

b) Those who suffer most from this psychological stress are his team mates. They see the love the team lavish on the leader and long for that feeling. Sorry, there can be only one.
Mikkos and Danis perormance this year(and previous years too) showed why there is only one.They just can t do the job,with an excellent car,and a winning team.

c) All season the team has just been waiting for 'how it used to be when SL was there all the time.
cant understant exactly what you mean.

d) Sordo was suddenly faced with a 'perform or you'll be replaced' situation and was finally jerked out of the cycle. Mikko definitely hasn't. Australia is his equivalent rally.
what do you suggest,to wait one more year for Mikko to be faster from Neuville at gravel,or to wait more for Sordo(the tarmac specialist) to find his speed at asphalt against Latvala,Ogier,and to be faster than 6th at gravel rallies?

e) The mice are lab mice they have conditioned themselves because they don't want to be in the situation that Ogier was in - absence of love is better than hate.
no they haven t conditioned themselves to laborattory mices because of that reason.Mikko has became slow even inside his home,and Dani hasnt good the speed at all at gravel,and at asphalt is not the fastst driver.

f) Clearly Sordo and Hirvonen are quick drivers but they have been / are losing their internal battles

if you loose your internal battle,figure out about the external battles..

[stefanvv]

Hirvonen was faster with Ford, still not enough for winning pace, but faster. May be he has problem to adapt to DS3 or the team, for sure there is some. It is strange he looked faster last year when Loeb was in the neighborhood. Probably he hoped this year to be easy title for him as VW were only newcomers, may be it's psychological. Other strange thing I find is Loeb decided to drive in Sweden & Argentina. Clearly Hirvonen's best performances last year imho.

[danon]

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5240/h60x.jpg

[NxOxT]

The pain Loeb sustained on every sick dog of rallying either he is a driver or a fan will stay here for long long time... He gave such a brutal beating to all the doubters all these years that he sent them to live in star trek land and imagine things like team favoiuritism and other fantasy star wars stuff...

The pain little doggies will never go away...get used to it....

[stefanvv]

Amen. One Rally to go :)

[danon]

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5249/aw52.jpg

[kober]

Hirvonen was faster with Ford, still not enough for winning pace, but faster. May be he has problem to adapt to DS3 or the team, for sure there is some.Or maybe VW have a faster car, thus the difference.

[stefanvv]

Or maybe VW have a faster car, thus the difference.

This is very likely, but still when in Ford everybody used to say Citroen was faster, nevertheless he achieved some nice results back then.

PS: But I forget Loeb in this equation :D

[Mintexmemory]

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5249/aw52.jpg
That's Star Wars, he said Star Trek! (Funny though !)

[NxOxT]

VW and Ogier cannot be touched... It is the best car and by far the best driver at the moment, plus they have Latvala to help them with the budget

the disappointing thing is that Citroen have 2 very experienced drivers and they struggle to keep up with the ford duo. Neuville is a very nice surprise i must say... i did not expect him to adapt from the class B-C drivers of the IRC/ERC to WRC that fast....so it is nice.

Citroen cannot expect to be competitive without spending money... and i cannot see this happening this or the next year with their stupid dead WTCC program. So the situation will be very easy for Ogier in the next 2-3 years. We have to wait for Hyundai and also to see if Subaru and Toyota rumours (for the last 5 years) are true... and if Peugeot want a dynamic comeback.

Until the above happen do not expect to see any other champion than Ogier... So all the little girls and kitties in here start preparing your low life existence to hate on him for the next few years for destroying the sport and the other funny stuff you used to diminish Loebs legend all these years...

Now back to france...

[stefanvv]

Yes, Ogier will be next Loeb who will "destroy" WRC. Even with more competition from Hyunday, possibly others, I don't think anyone will get near his/VW level next 2-3 years perhaps at least

[danon]

VW and Ogier cannot be touched...

Reduce fiction re malaka. Too much Star Trek.
They already did touch them.
Both.
At once.
Last week.
Rally Germany.

[andyone]

and you are forgetting one thing. loeb was winning from the front of the grid in Gravel rallies.. that was not an easy.. he surely is a master. and i think its not about the cars. its the drivers.. citroen were lucky to find good drivers. ogier, neuville all come from citroen.VW are not untouchable i can tell you that.. life is easy at the moment for Ogier. we will see how a master he is to start from the front. cleaning for othere. and end up winning. that is not easy.

[NxOxT]

and you are forgetting one thing. loeb was winning from the front of the grid in Gravel rallies.. that was not an easy.. he surely is a master. and i think its not about the cars. its the drivers.. citroen were lucky to find good drivers. ogier, neuville all come from citroen.VW are not untouchable i can tell you that.. life is easy at the moment for Ogier. we will see how a master he is to start from the front. cleaning for othere. and end up winning. that is not easy.

Ogier won in 2011 in portugal from the front... the speed is there for sure, but he is not as tidy as Loeb. Only he could achieve that level of perfection and that is the reason he dominated the way he did...

[Francis44]

Ogier won in 2011 in portugal from the front... the speed is there for sure, but he is not as tidy as Loeb. Only he could achieve that level of perfection and that is the reason he dominated the way he did...

Loeb was not as tidy aswell in the first couple of years, we all remember aswell that Loeb had a few Achilles heels in the early years. He took way too much time to be able to fight in the front in rally's like Finland and Japan, something Ogier seems to have mastered from the beggining, it's all about the learning curve.

[Doon]

Hi guys,

Got my flights booked and accommodation in Mulhouse. Looking at doing, Masiff des Grand Crus - Ungersberg on Friday, and Hohlandsberg - Firstplan on Saturday. Any advice on spots to watch were it won't be too busy, and the access will be easy? Also for the Haguenau stage on Sunday, as I imagine it will be realy busy, would it be best to drive through Germany from Mulhouse, to avoid Strasbourg? Cheers.

[danon]

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6099/q558.jpg

[danon]

Longing to feel it again...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g-pX7wQhnU

May the force be with both of you!

[Mintexmemory]

http://www.motorsportforums.com/rallying/159670-anyone-going-rallye-france.html

See the details posted on the above link. Limited timing on the offer as we can not prevaricate.

Route will be London, Dover, Calais, Bruges (outskirt), Gent (outskirt), Brussels (north ring), E411 via Namur, Luxembourg

[D1sCo]

This will be my first WRC event outside of my country. I'm so happy :D I got an hostel reservation +- 100 meters from the super special hehehe

[MarkWRC]

Hi, can't wait to watch the Master on home ground only 30 days away. Could anybody tell me are the stages free? And are there any good stage maps available anywhere ? Thanks Mark

[Mintexmemory]

The stages are free and if you download the spectator day maps from the website at A3 size you can see the route in sufficient detail to mark up on google or compare with a Michelin map. Glad you are convinced of Ogier's ability ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Interesting point was pointed out by Rally Finland deputy clerck of the course Kari Nuutinen in Twitter earlier today. Power stage might be the first stage of the rally, but we won't know who scores the extra points until the end of the rally. By FIA sporting regulations (13.3.4), "to score point, driver must be classified in the Final Official Classification of the rally". So, if Ogier (or Loeb or Neuville or whoever) wins power stage, but retires in the final day, no extra points. But if he retires earlier and joins final leg by Rally2, he can score extra points.

[MarkWRC]

The stages are free and if you download the spectator day maps from the website at A3 size you can see the route in sufficient detail to mark up on google or compare with a Michelin map. Glad you are convinced of Ogier's ability ;)

Thanks for that, I'm guessing you mean the official rally France website? Ha ha with his ability he could dominate for the next 5 years but there's only one Seb :D

[MarkWRC]

Can someone tell me what the stages are like in Alsace obviously I know there asphalt but what about spectating I do not stand with all the sheep in spectator areas I like to be alone, close to the action but safe, are the marshals ok or are they as bad as GB ;)

[irish_tiger]

Is there a National Rally running behind the WRC Rally ? if so is there any information on it ? There has been one running the last few years i think .....

[DIMI44]

Interesting point was pointed out by Rally Finland deputy clerck of the course Kari Nuutinen in Twitter earlier today. Power stage might be the first stage of the rally, but we won't know who scores the extra points until the end of the rally. By FIA sporting regulations (13.3.4), "to score point, driver must be classified in the Final Official Classification of the rally". So, if Ogier (or Loeb or Neuville or whoever) wins power stage, but retires in the final day, no extra points. But if he retires earlier and joins final leg by Rally2, he can score extra points.

I think that is better if someone retired (and is out of the game of points) = zero points in power stage.....

[tommeke_B]

Interesting point was pointed out by Rally Finland deputy clerck of the course Kari Nuutinen in Twitter earlier today. Power stage might be the first stage of the rally, but we won't know who scores the extra points until the end of the rally. By FIA sporting regulations (13.3.4), "to score point, driver must be classified in the Final Official Classification of the rally". So, if Ogier (or Loeb or Neuville or whoever) wins power stage, but retires in the final day, no extra points. But if he retires earlier and joins final leg by Rally2, he can score extra points.

The rally2 rule makes no sense at all. What is better about crashing on day 1 or 2, than crashing on day 3? Shouldn't it be, the earlier you crash, the sooner you failed, the worse? Now you can crash and still "set" faster times than the slower drivers in the field...

[focus206]

The rally2 rule makes no sense at all. What is better about crashing on day 1 or 2, than crashing on day 3? Shouldn't it be, the earlier you crash, the sooner you failed, the worse? Now you can crash and still "set" faster times than the slower drivers in the field...
Indeed, it makes absolutely no sense. Even a driver who crashes both in the 1st and 2nd days will have to chance to finish, while a driver who crashes in the 3rd one not...

[vino_93]

Is there a National Rally running behind the WRC Rally ? if so is there any information on it ? There has been one running the last few years i think .....

no National Rally since last year ;)

[Rautiainen]

Hello, everyone! I want to download the road book for Rally France from its official website but after I open the file it wants a password. Any suggestions where I can get the password? :D

[tommeke_B]

Hello, everyone! I want to download the road book for Rally France from its official website but after I open the file it wants a password. Any suggestions where I can get the password? :D

All (and only) competitors receive these passwords, so if you want it, you must ask a competitor. :)

[irish_tiger]

no National Rally since last year ;)
Thank you Vino , but why not ?

[vino_93]

organizers were not able to organize both.

First, it was done because they thought National competitors would have more view thank to WRC. In fact it caused lot of problems for them ...

First of all, our championship is quite professionnal, with big teams who can run 5 or 6 cars (we have a team championship), so they need a lot of place. That's why, instead of being close to WRC paddock, they were nowhere ... so noone goes to see them in the park. Sponsors weren't happy, as teams.

Secondly, regulation is a bit different btw french champ and WRC. It created problems (I think service park time or something like that).

thirdly, the state of the roads was really bad ...

And fourth, I think french organizers didn't do the right thing to preserve this event ... but at least that's good for them as Antibes is no more ERC round, even if now they have to delete a round (as Mâcon was choose to replace Grand National, and this year Antibes is back in our championship).

But, as Grand National can't be run, organizers decided to cut the costs for the local crews who want to enter the WRC round. That's why our entry list was last year quite good out of regular WRC championships.

[Rasantes]

Enrique García Ojeda al Rally de Francia del WRC - Motor y Racing (http://www.motoryracing.com/wrc/noticias/enrique-garcia-ojedar-rally-francia-wrc/)

[danon]

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4418/zch7.jpg

[306 Cosworth]

It's a shame there isn't a national rally in France, I was hoping to see some of the 997 GT3 Porsches!

Anyway, me and a friend are making the trip from the South West of England down to Strasbourg. Planning on camping overnight on the stages so hoping for some good weather. Sounds like the entry list is going to be massive and have a good turn out of WRC cars so can't wait. Expecting it to be rammed with spectators though who want to see the battle between Loeb and Ogier.

Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?

[MarkWRC]

It's a shame there isn't a national rally in France, I was hoping to see some of the 997 GT3 Porsches!Anyway, me and a friend are making the trip from the South West of England down to Strasbourg. Planning on camping overnight on the stages so hoping for some good weather. Sounds like the entry list is going to be massive and have a good turn out of WRC cars so can't wait. Expecting it to be rammed with spectators though who want to see the battle between Loeb and Ogier.Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?

making the trip from South West Wales can't wait now, I asked the same question about the marshals hope its ok to walk the stage before, nothing beats being alone and close to the action.

[306 Cosworth]

making the trip from South West Wales can't wait now, I asked the same question about the marshals hope its ok to walk the stage before, nothing beats being alone and close to the action.

Where you sailing from?
Don't fancy being stuck in spectator pens all weekend so hoping I can find some nice spots to film at.

[MarkWRC]

Where you sailing from?
Don't fancy being stuck in spectator pens all weekend so hoping I can find some nice spots to film at.

Im actually driving to Luton, then flying to Paris, hiring a car there and driving down to Strasbourg, same here looking to get some good shots of No1

[vino_93]

It's a shame there isn't a national rally in France, I was hoping to see some of the 997 GT3 Porsches!

Anyway, me and a friend are making the trip from the South West of England down to Strasbourg. Planning on camping overnight on the stages so hoping for some good weather. Sounds like the entry list is going to be massive and have a good turn out of WRC cars so can't wait. Expecting it to be rammed with spectators though who want to see the battle between Loeb and Ogier.

Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?

Well, if you are from South West of England, maybe you can easily go to Rallye Le Touquet, first round of our national championship. It's 1 hour from Calais, the city where Eurostar arrive in France. So you can easily do a week end there :)
There was some britishs contenders during years there. I remember Ling who did Top 10, but too amator as Duncan Cameron from Scotland or Chris Guichot de Fortis that I saw.

[306 Cosworth]

I am thinking about doing Le Touquet next year actually. I will see what my job position is like next year.

[306 Cosworth]

Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?


come on, there must be someone who can tell me what it's like?!

[makinen_fan]

come on, there must be someone who can tell me what it's like?!

There is another thread i started for who is going to rally france. tommeke gave some nice description of what to expect.

Also i have another question, is camping allowed near the stages or there are special car parks that only there this is allowed?

[vino_93]

[quote="306 Cosworth":2019n6qn]
Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?


come on, there must be someone who can tell me what it's like?![/quote:2019n6qn]

it's as in life : some are nice people, some are stupid ... don't expect them to speak english. Some maybe, but not all (as they didn't need it the rest of the year, and our school level is law).

Before you can easily walk along the roads (but don't arrive too late), but now a new regulation is out since some days, saying that people not standing in "authorized" zone (=spectator zone) are in "forbidden" zone and that all organizers must cancel the stage if people stand there. Let's see if it'll be apply or not. It can maybe affect you...

[vino_93]

as in Monte Carlo, Julien Maurin and Lionel Baud will start. If for Maurin there is no doubt about the car, for the moment we don't know what car for Baud. They have the 208 R2, as in Monte, but they just buy a 207 S2000 (ex Delta Racing) and a Fiesta WRC !

[scn]

[quote="306 Cosworth":98zh4cfd]
Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?


come on, there must be someone who can tell me what it's like?![/quote:98zh4cfd]

It is very difficult to find your own way in the stages. Marshals send you only to "spectator areas", where you cannot see much. However, do not EVER regard these areas safe. Some of the points the spectators are standing are so unsafe that one can only wonder. At the same time, some really safe areas are forbidden by the marshals, simply because the organizer has not put a sign "spectator area".
Camping is free. At least I did not have problems two years ago. Going at the stages in the morning can be very troublesome. If you can camp, I suggest you do it.
All in all, this is not the best rally for a spectator. The main reason I will go this year is that my wife wants to see the beautiful Alsace, so I found the opportunity to see the (maybe) last rally of Loeb. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother. Corsica, Spain and Germany are far better and much more convenient rallies if you want to see action on tarmac.

[Kielder]

Dumas has confirmed on Facebook that he will run in France. So happy for Denis' return.

"Je suis heureux de vous annoncer que je vais de nouveau participer au Rallye de France-Alsace en WRC ! Mon propre team engagera une Ford Fiesta RS WRC avec le soutien de M-Sport Je serai épaulé par Denis Giraudet".

https://sphotos-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1185381_623422837702703_1751926160_n.jpg

[vino_93]

translation :P
"I'm happy to announce you that I'll back in WRC Rallye de France-Alsace ! My own team will run a Ford FIesta RS WRC with the support of M-Sport. I'll be codrived by Denis Giraudet."

[dimviii]

so Giraudet can co drive...

[rallye-vid]

Yeah, but don't want to crash every time ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

so Giraudet can co drive...

Off course he can, he do some rallies after the crash: http://ewrc-results.com/coprofile.php?p ... s-Giraudet (http://ewrc-results.com/coprofile.php?p=29&t=Denis-Giraudet)

[Kielder]

Entry list is available: http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/2013/tableau-affichage-2013/liste_officielle/Entry%20List%20RDFA%202013%20-%20VDP%20-%2012092013.pdf
Can't wait to watch Seb I live for the last time! :bounce:

[uranium]

What is the dirrerence between CITROEN TOTAL ABU DHABI WORLD RALLY TEAM and ABU DHABI CITROEN TOTAL WORLD RALLY TEAM?
Is Sordo in the same team with Seb and Mikko or he drives independently?

[vino_93]

Yes same team. That's only that a manufacturer can't have 3 cars to take point. (it's usual entry of Al Qassimi)
That's the same as VW Motorsport II, or Qatar WRT.

[makinen_fan]

Everything booked now! Cant wait to see the master for the last time!

[Doon]

Everything booked now! Cant wait to see the master for the last time!

Same here!! I wonder how many people are going just to see the master on his last event? It's not the only reason for me, but I remember Loeb from the start of his WRC assault in the Saxo S1600 and especially Sanremo 2001, I was 17 when I watched that on a Friday afternoon on BBC2, I skipped college, got the beers in and started drinking at about lunchtime then inspired by Loeb's awesome run to 2nd played Colin McRae 2 until late afternoon before going to a fantastic party.....will never forget that day lol.

[gorganl2000]

not sure if this was covered before, but when Loeb returns to WRC France, what position will he run on the road? how is that determined?

[stefanvv]

not sure if this was covered before, but when Loeb returns to WRC France, what position will he run on the road? how is that determined?
According to current WRC standings

[gorganl2000]

According to current WRC standings

thanks

[focus206]

I don't see PG Andersson in the entry list, I thought he was supposed to drive the last 3 European rounds?

[306 Cosworth]

Full stage maps with parking and spectator zones are available here. They're fairly large documents though.

http://www.rallyedefrance.com/documents-medias/

[306 Cosworth]

Just booked the ferry and hotel sorted in Strasbourg 15 mins from service. Can't wait now :bounce:

[Doon]

Thanks for the maps! They are brilliant. Which stages are you doing? We are in Mulhouse, so will do 2 stages then head to the SSS. Can you drink booze on that street in that part of France btw? Only for the Mulhouse stage, don't worry we're not hooligans before anyone says 'why drink when watching a rally?', we just like to sample a few of the bevvies whilst we enjoy the action from a safe vantage point :) To be honest we looked completely out of place in Sweden, because everyone else was trashed and we only had a few to keep us warm!!

[miniwintz]

Obvious public drunkenness is illegal. In some cities, drinking alcohol in the streets is forbidden but Mulhouse and Strasbourg do not have this law. If you stay a bit discrete and do not insult police officers, you should be fine :)

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DE FRANCE: Here’s an interactive map of special stages on Rallye de France 2013 (3-6 October):

https://www.thinglink.com/scene/436638809182961664#tlsite

[danon]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4978/2zja.jpg

Full size ->>> http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7295/dmj5.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

[quote="306 Cosworth":rvcu6rh9]
Can anyone tell me what the marshals are like over there? If we get up early enough can we walk along the roads and find our own spots?


come on, there must be someone who can tell me what it's like?!

It is very difficult to find your own way in the stages. Marshals send you only to "spectator areas", where you cannot see much. However, do not EVER regard these areas safe. Some of the points the spectators are standing are so unsafe that one can only wonder. At the same time, some really safe areas are forbidden by the marshals, simply because the organizer has not put a sign "spectator area".
Camping is free. At least I did not have problems two years ago. Going at the stages in the morning can be very troublesome. If you can camp, I suggest you do it.
All in all, this is not the best rally for a spectator. The main reason I will go this year is that my wife wants to see the beautiful Alsace, so I found the opportunity to see the (maybe) last rally of Loeb. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother. Corsica, Spain and Germany are far better and much more convenient rallies if you want to see action on tarmac.[/quote:rvcu6rh9]


évidemment in the kit bag of every truly dedicated spectator should be a nice small sign that says '"SPECTATEURS" in a believable size and color...and in every group of clever dedicated speccie, at least one person should wear a bright orange vest....And this person shout periodically yell at the "spectators" to make it seem real.. A sort of DIY speccie pen..

You know like in the war movies, the good guys have to get in the nazi prison to break out, so some dress up in feld-grau and they "escort" the "POWs" past their kameraden, the guards...

same thing but you make your own POW pen..

Brilliant!

[vino_93]

Maurin will not start. As Rallye d'Antibes is only one week after, and that he is leading the championship, he don't want to take any risk to be at the start of Antibes.

[danon]

S.Loeb vs S.Ogier WRC Rallye de France Alsace 2013 ->>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocge3L_TmQw

[NxOxT]

stupid video.

[Puyan]

They look like siamese twins on the video :D Both a hand on the wheel, they could be hard to beat.

[denkimi]

Everything booked now! Cant wait to see the master for the last time!
you truly believe this will be his last rally?

i expect to see him back in some rally's in the next years, probably already in monaco. :p

[NxOxT]

Everything booked now! Cant wait to see the master for the last time!
you truly believe this will be his last rally?

i expect to see him back in some rally's in the next years, probably already in monaco. :p

next year he will do the WTCC... maybe he will do some one offs in the years to come like every past rally driver.

[noel157]

Who is going to be nominated for M1 points in France? Loeb and Sordo?

[miniwintz]

According to entry list, it's Loeb and Mikko http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/ ... 092013.pdf (http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/2013/tableau-affichage-2013/liste_officielle/Entry%20List%20RDFA%202013%20-%20VDP%20-%2012092013.pdf)

[noel157]

Thanks, I should've looked.
I thought manufacturer points were important to Citroen.........

[bluuford]

They cannot change Mikko as he is their driver nr 1. He must be nr 1 during all rounds. Dani is nr 2 and they can swap him with Loeb.

[noel157]

"LIKE"

Thanks BF. Every day is a school day (always learning).

[MK2 BDG]

Really looking forward to France this year

Keep a look out for the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance Fiesta R2.. any pics would be much appreciated
If anyone in service, come and say hello :)

[Kielder]

Really looking forward to France this year

Keep a look out for the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance Fiesta R2.. any pics would be much appreciated
If anyone in service, come and say hello :)

You can count on my pics. I still don't know if we are going to the service or not. A review of the event would be appreciated too. :)

[skarderud]

I'm really looking forward to the fight between "the seb's"!
Is seb1 confident in the car, is he there to win? I doubt he and citroen is unprepared:)
How much is seb2 willing to beat loeb? To much? I think his head can be the biggest problem, he is quite emotional and its maybe to much of old days left? Really hope both can fight to the end, but i think seb2 needs a restart thru the weekend.

[D1sCo]

Will there be a podium or opening ceremony in Strasbourg?

[MK2 BDG]

Yes,, All sorts going on at the SSS on Thursday afternoon/evening

may find some info here,, most with no password needed

http://www.rallyedefrance.com/en/notice-board/

[jiipee64]

Flights booked.
Seems like I have to go...

[danon]

http://www.crash.net/world+rally/news/1 ... rance.html (http://www.crash.net/world+rally/news/196283/1/loeb_set_for_final_bow_in_france.html)

http://alsace.france3.fr/2013/09/26/le- ... 26259.html (http://alsace.france3.fr/2013/09/26/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-en-20-chiffres-326259.html)

[Delta_HF]

Wow! what a Rally this could be ...

[A FONDO]

wow what an avatar :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Ucci]

Is the presence of T.Kostka confirmed??

[PLuto]

Is the presence of T.Kostka confirmed??

Yes, he will start in France.

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1377038_171178613071282_1778348450_n.jpg

[Delta_HF]

Recce underway for Le Patron. :D

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/17F1C6E0-3CBC-4B67-9005-4E8CBC76101D-196-0000001418D6367E_zps44b5c4d4.jpg

[Bartek]

Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

[tfp]

Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

Do citroen still use evos for the Recce?

[rage82]

Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

Do citroen still use evos for the Recce?

Yes

[Delta_HF]

Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

Do citroen still use evos for the Recce?

Loeb Sweden. ;)

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/45E35FEF-B97A-4675-B7A5-2EAA8DA48DBC-340-00000047296B6299_zps754672c8.jpg

[userwave]

Citroen and Mitsubishi have a relationship,
Citroen's SUV's are made by Mitsubishi

some say the all wheel drive system in the DS3 and C4's is derived from an Evo

you didn't hear that from me however. :)




Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

Do citroen still use evos for the Recce?

Yes

[PLuto]

Is the presence of T.Kostka confirmed??

Yes, he will start in France.

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1377038_171178613071282_1778348450_n.jpg

Now it is not so sure...

[Bartek]

Is the presence of T.Kostka confirmed??

Yes, he will start in France.

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1377038_171178613071282_1778348450_n.jpg

Now it is not so sure...

Money?

[PLuto]

Money?

Money is not the problem, but lets wait for official info.

[Delta_HF]

Strasbourg this morning. :smokin:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/CB237DA6-7843-42DF-8B80-8FBB145627F5-196-00000019571DE68C_zps1bdab461.jpg

[dimviii]

Money?

Money is not the problem, but lets wait for official info.


This is from a French forum

The copilot of Kotska was evacuated by ambulance during the recce of the first yesterday. So he did not do the recce yesterday.
Patterson was called to the rescue and is present today alongside Tomas. Suddenly the Kotska has no special notes for yesterday. From what I heard, Patterson will reuse old notes from last year and Kubica was proposed to him spinning videos. Anyway, I do not know what it's going to give this the case: s

[PLuto]

Tomas never used english pacenotes...

[dimviii]

so whats going on Pluto? my inbox is empty :D

[Allyc85]

Really gutted that I cant make the trip to France to see Loeb one last time, if only I had been one day quicker booking the time off before my bastard work mate.. :mad: :angryfire

Any way is there any live internet coverage this year?

[stefanvv]

Any way is there any live internet coverage this year?
I was wondering the same. It will be covered by Canal+ - http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2013/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-2013-sur-sport

[306 Cosworth]

Off to Strasbourg tomorrow morning. If anyone see's a black Skoda Fabia vRS with a UK reg plate then it's probably me :D :bounce:

[mousti]

Law of Murphy for Kostka his co-driver when entering a WRC event?? :o

Remember Germany..

[tfp]

Nice to see The Master in rally car for one last time. I hope he will kick some ass :)

Do citroen still use evos for the Recce?

Loeb Sweden. ;)

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/45E35FEF-B97A-4675-B7A5-2EAA8DA48DBC-340-00000047296B6299_zps754672c8.jpg

Very nice :)
I thought that diddnt look like a DS3....

[had_zachau]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1382893_171601509695659_453419347_n.jpg
But nothing is confirmed yet.

[dimviii]

where is bluford when you need him? :p

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVkfQ4gIAAAVEFo.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any way is there any live internet coverage this year?
I was wondering the same. It will be covered by Canal+ - http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2013/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-2013-sur-sport

That's amazing - full live coverage !! :crazy:

Surely we can find a stream of Canal+ and Sport+ between us ? Get searching people ...

Nice official site: http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autre ... ideos.html (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autres-sports/c-wrc/pid4114-c-wrc-videos.html)

This looks promising: http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal ... nal-sport/ (http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal-live-watch-canal-sport-tv-channel-streaming-canal-sport/)

[Bartek]

Any way is there any live internet coverage this year?
I was wondering the same. It will be covered by Canal+ - http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2013/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-2013-sur-sport

That's amazing - full live coverage !! :crazy:

Surely we can find a stream of Canal+ and Sport+ between us ? Get searching people ...

Nice official site: http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autre ... ideos.html (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autres-sports/c-wrc/pid4114-c-wrc-videos.html)

This looks promising: http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal ... nal-sport/ (http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal-live-watch-canal-sport-tv-channel-streaming-canal-sport/)

This is Polish Canal + :) We need French Sport+ :)

[miniwintz]

Last year one could subscribe for 1 week to Canal+/Canalsat (broadcasters of the event) for 7-10 euros iirc. What I did is I paid for the subscription and "shared" the screen to a couple of friends. They didn't have the opportunity to subscribe themselves so in the end we all enjoyed the rally.

Unfortunately in February Canalsat stopped selling the "1 week" subscription. Now it's 2 years minimum at 30 euros per month. I'm obviously not going to pay 2 years just to watch the rally... so I guess we're going to find shitty pirate streams...

edit: yes, if you are looking for a live stream the channel is "Sport+"

edit2: I apparently found a stream (starting tomorrow at 17.45 CET)
http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

[stefanvv]

Any way is there any live internet coverage this year?
I was wondering the same. It will be covered by Canal+ - http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2013/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-2013-sur-sport

That's amazing - full live coverage !! :crazy:

Surely we can find a stream of Canal+ and Sport+ between us ? Get searching people ...

Nice official site: http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autre ... ideos.html (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-autres-sports/c-wrc/pid4114-c-wrc-videos.html)

This looks promising: http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal ... nal-sport/ (http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/canal-live-watch-canal-sport-tv-channel-streaming-canal-sport/)
I found this so far - http://sport.alive-tv.com/canalplussport.php

[makinen_fan]

Chris Patterson will start the rally
http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/ ... C2%B01.pdf (http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/2013/notice-board-2013/stewards_of_the_meeting_decisions/2.2_STW_DEC_N%C2%B01.pdf)

[miniwintz]

I found this so far - http://sport.alive-tv.com/canalplussport.php
It's not Canal+ sport, it's Sport+ that we need :D (which also belongs to the Canal+ broadcasting group). According to this http://www.sport-team-news.org/?p=684 and this http://www.sport-team.org/site/ , the link I put in my previous post is good for tomorrow :vader:

[PLuto]

There will be also live coverage on Czech TV (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15714), but I am afraid it will be on internet limited only for czech users...

[stefanvv]

I found this so far - http://sport.alive-tv.com/canalplussport.php
It's not Canal+ sport, it's Sport+ that we need :D (which also belongs to the Canal+ broadcasting group). According to this http://www.sport-team-news.org/?p=684 and this http://www.sport-team.org/site/ , the link I put in my previous post is good for tomorrow :vader:
Ah, I see the link now, many thanks :)

[Kielder]

Our flight departs in nine hours. I hope to arrive just in time for the PS.
Very excited to see the last live/life of the Boss/King.

http://biser3a.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2012-WRC-Rallye-de-France-pictures-1.jpg

On Sunday, I'll post some pics here. I can't leave without saying many thanks to bluuford for his wise information about the weather. I really appreciate it. :)

[dimviii]

nice livery!!
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVoLSYlCAAAz8CF.jpg:large
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVoLO8rCcAAfuF4.jpg:large
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVoLHitCUAES-UP.jpg:large
http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 1775_n.jpg (http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1380369_10151895594480733_2058271775_n.jpg)

wish a good untrouble rally for Maestro.

[andyone]

There will be also live coverage on Czech TV (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15714), but I am afraid it will be on internet limited only for czech users...
niice. i will check it out. it is still possible to view from outside Czech..

[Delta_HF]

Uncle Yves got a nice shot of the new livery. :smokin:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/1E23CBF4-0DE8-40C0-B467-8833DD758195-706-000000D47AAA1277_zps457b63ee.jpg

[Delta_HF]

Time to give those new colours a shakedown. :D

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/CDC51BF7-81BA-4A24-9228-E4259AA88EDD-767-000000E442B543B8_zps8e0b6d44.jpg

[AP-Racing]

Rallye de France final results by Almrally.ru

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7429_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1385299_10151686766141918_544977429_n.jpg)

:D :D :D

[Bartek]

Results from shake?

[Aquagen]

1 Sordo 2:36.5
2 Neuville 2:38.0
3 Hirvonen 2:38.0
4 Latvala 2:39.0
5 Loeb 2:39.4
6 Ogier 2:39.4
(c) Citroen Racing

[rallyesport]

Shakedown photos -> http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rally ... sace-2013/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-france-alsace-2013/)

[Eli]

they should have that Red,Gold & Black livery in every Citroen,looks better.

[Micke_VOC]

There will be also live coverage on Czech TV (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15714), but I am afraid it will be on internet limited only for czech users...

The same here in Sweden, live on internet and in regular SVT1-channel too.
(2 hours on Saturday in two 1h-block)

I think this will be limited to Sweden only too, maybe you can see it thru a swedish proxy.

[Mirek]

So in the end Kostka drives with Patterson with pacenotes from some stages done only from a video. Kostka has never done a single kilometer on English pacenotes before. It's without doubts a risky solution to even drive in these consequences.

[Kalm]

"...and then I keep my right foot straight like this...." Ogier explainig how he`s going to win the championship :D https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1379822_545604628840792_138542985_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVon7fCCIAA3lXz.jpg:large

[NxOxT]

Elena gained a lot of weight... he has at least 5-10 kg on Ingrassia....

[Jafry]

Photos from shake HERE:http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1202

[A FONDO]

Are there metal sticks this time to prevent cuts? Is it moisty/muddy in the mountain stages? Are there serious rainfalls expected?

[jonkka]

Elena gained a lot of weight... he has at least 5-10 kg on Ingrassia....

Elena has always been a bit voluptuous... :)

[rage82]

Are there metal sticks this time to prevent cuts? Is it moisty/muddy in the mountain stages? Are there serious rainfalls expected?
1.From wrc.com: "Rallye de France-Alsace organisers have made special efforts to reduce the amount of mud and gravel dragged onto the asphalt stages by drivers cutting corners. The inside of many bends are lined by a series of heavy bollards to keep cars on the asphalt and prevent drivers shaving tenths of a second from their time by cutting."
2. Rain is expected on Friday and Sunday

[tommeke_B]

Preventing cutting means taking away a part of the sport/challenge/driving. The gravel/dirt/mud thrown onto the stage is part of the game and makes it more difficult for the drivers. I understand that in local events organizers do it to reduce the costs of repairs, but on this level stages should not be adjusted by organizers.

[PLuto]

Preventing cutting means taking away a part of the sport/challenge/driving. The gravel/dirt/mud thrown onto the stage is part of the game and makes it more difficult for the drivers. I understand that in local events organizers do it to reduce the costs of repairs, but on this level stages should not be adjusted by organizers.

We have made also anti-cutting sticks on Barum rally. But it is not only because of less gravel on the road, but it is also helping so save the road (because when the cars are cutting, it is also destroying edges of the road).

[dimviii]

startlist
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/mon ... 806957.jpg (http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-17-0-32337200-1380806957.jpg)


http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/w ... cejl02.jpg (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/loebselenadframcocitroends3wrcfrancejl02.jpg)

[dimviii]

more i see it more i like this deco.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVprJdfCIAAyZYw.jpg:large
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVpFWyRIcAARlAc.jpg:large

relax
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVooOBGIMAAQ83X.jpg:large

weather
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVpp2lAIEAACniw.jpg:large

[PLuto]

Here is complete startlist: http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-de-fr ... TypeId=380 (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-de-france-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=380)

[dimviii]

do we know if its dry or raining?

http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-and-loeb- ... ?fid=19150 (http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-and-loeb-in-their-own-words/?fid=19150)

[kober]

any working live stream?

[dimviii]

Greg you have pm :colour:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVpGixrIgAAFZgz.jpg:large

[Delta_HF]

This could go down as the Armegeddon of WRC ! War ! :D

[dimviii]

lol
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVqMhqVIgAAph9c.jpg:large

[Tom206wrc]

What a pitty Cédric Robert is forfait !!!! He would have been the killer in WRC3/2WD on this event ;(

[miniwintz]

Stream is live here : http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html
Live coverage starts at 17.45 (40 minutes from now)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This reverse start is rubbish... such a wait to see the top drivers.. how much longer, ready to leave work in 10 mins !

[Delta_HF]

More to the point hope the last runners don't need pods. :mad:

[kober]

Stream is live here : http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html
Live coverage starts at 17.45 (40 minutes from now)
Still Tomic vs Gasquet :hmph:

[A FONDO]

to launch click on the http://cdn.livetvstatic.ru/img/play.gif . ???????? ?????? refreshes the links if there are new ones added

http://livetv.ru/eventinfo/192684_world ... trasbourg/ (http://livetv.ru/eventinfo/192684_world_championships_strasbourg/)

[focus206]

Finally, it's live :)
So let me get this straight, if a driver wins the power stage but then doesn't finish the rally, doesn't get the power stage's points? so the 2nd classified of the power stage will become 1st? (if he'll finish the rally)

[Gregor-y]

1.From wrc.com: "Rallye de France-Alsace organisers have made special efforts to reduce the amount of mud and gravel dragged onto the asphalt stages by drivers cutting corners. The inside of many bends are lined by a series of heavy bollards to keep cars on the asphalt and prevent drivers shaving tenths of a second from their time by cutting."
What do the poles look like? The metal ones a few years ago were nice and dangerous.

[miniwintz]

to launch click on the http://cdn.livetvstatic.ru/img/play.gif . ???????? ?????? refreshes the links if there are new ones added

http://livetv.ru/eventinfo/192684_world ... trasbourg/ (http://livetv.ru/eventinfo/192684_world_championships_strasbourg/)
thanks, much better than the French stream

[mousti]

Trivino driving with Paddon's livery

[Tom206wrc]

Times and splits from WRC.Com frozen...again :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Kikireshko :confused:
The Prodrive Mini showed again how reliable it was ??? :s

[A FONDO]

Trivino driving with Paddon's livery
the livery is his smallest problem. did you see his braking after the long straight approaching the camera? he hit - lift the brakes 4-5 times on the clear dry tarmac ......

[stefanvv]

Kubica vs Evans - 1:0

[Tom206wrc]

Good time by Kubica :bounce:

[kober]

What do the poles look like?
For example:
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/156624/wrc-robert-kubica-citroen-face-inlin.jpg
:laugh:

[stefanvv]

It's time for some onboards :D

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIEOKsXHmyo

?stberg slower from Kubica..

[A FONDO]

shame theres no proper camera (and operator) on the double-left corner taken with powerslide

[wwbroe]

Kubica is faster then Ostberg !!

[mousti]

Has anyone schedule for other broadcasts this weekend?

[wwbroe]

Great time for Sordo :eek:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yay ... made it home just in time to see the top boys ! :D

Thanks for the streams. :)

[wwbroe]

Very decent time for Hirvonen as well.

[stefanvv]

Neuville wants that 3 points it seems

EDIT: did you hear it - we have new WDC. Congratulations!!!

[Micke_VOC]

Ogier Worldchampion !

[wwbroe]

Ogier is now world champ, as Neuville is not fastest trough this stage!!!

[dimviii]

twit from Citroen racing.....

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing 2?
As @DaniSordo was quicker than @thierryneuville in the Power Stage… @SebOgier is the 2013 World Rally Champion. Well done "ex-mate" :) #WRC

[wwbroe]

Sordo is taking the 3 points from this power stage :) Loeb is about 2,7 sec slower trough the stage.

[Rallyper]

What a farce deciding WDC on a tarmac stump of 5 K´s... :dozey:

[andyone]

ogier champion before start of the rally.. hoo

[Zeropt]

It took teen years to see a new world rally champion, congrats to S. Ogier/J. Ingrassia.

[kober]

What a farce deciding WDC on a tarmac stump of 5 K´s... :dozey:
If it was the last stage of the last rally of the year, then it might be a farce. But Ogier dominated the season, and he would claimed the title sooner or later, so why not on a SSS on his home rally?

[A FONDO]

Loeb is about 2,7 sec slower trough the stage.
he was disadvantaged as he started 40 seconds later when it was darker

[NxOxT]

So Ogier is the first garbage picker after 9 years of endless pain... someone had to do it... Congratulations

[dimviii]

well done to Ogier Ingrassia for the championship.Well deserved. :)

[dimviii]

So Ogier is the first garbage picker after 9 years of endless pain... someone had to do it... Congratulations

dont be harsh.Today is celebration date for all Loebphobia mates.Let them celebrate. :D

[dimviii]

Loeb is about 2,7 sec slower trough the stage.
he was disadvantaged as he started 40 seconds later when it was darker

has he got darkphobia?

[NxOxT]

I am not harsh... the way Loeb choose his retirement was the stupidest decision he ever made... his wins discredited the championship even more.

Ogier is sure the fastest driver by far but i would like Loeb to lose from him in a whole season (IF he could do that) to have a passing of the torch...

now Ogier just picked up the title from the garbage...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Congrats to Ogier.. outstanding performances all year, dominating possibly even more than Loeb used to.

And in the new VW which is amazing to thrash the Citroen & Ford establishment in its debut season.

Pity Loeb didnt do this season in full to give us a classic season before retiring...

[stefanvv]

Loeb is about 2,7 sec slower trough the stage.
he was disadvantaged as he started 40 seconds later when it was darker
:D :D :D

[danon]

I am not harsh... the way Loeb choose his retirement was the stupidest decision he ever made... his wins discredited the championship even more.

Ogier is sure the fastest driver by far but i would like Loeb to lose from him in a whole season (IF he could do that) to have a passing of the torch...

now Ogier just picked up the title from the garbage...
What a load of tosh :laugh:

[NxOxT]

no... but ok... the pain ends in 3 days... the sideeffects will remain for a while.

[nafpaktos]

Congratulations to sebastian,but i am afraid we will see the same things as we do the last decade.

I'm afraid they are confused.they think that he must finish the rally to secure the title. where they get this from???????
Quote from best- of -rally- live.


[SS1] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 3:21.6 "We manage to do this stage, so happy…" - If he finishes the rally, he will keep his Power Stage points and take the 2013 WRC Drivers Championship

[Negaiss]

Day trhee - Sordo pushes Ogier to the limit, they fight for a win but both crash out without finishing rally. Does Sordo gets his powerstage pionts without finishing.???? If this hapens - sordo and ogier doesn not finish - then who gets powerstage winning points - I would guess its Neuville. ????

[nafpaktos]

Power stage is a different and independent part of the rally.you get the points no matter you finish the rally or not.i think they are confused.official vw site anounced Sebastians coronation,i think they are sure about what they are saying.

[PLuto]

I'm afraid they are confused.they think that he must finish the rally to secure the title. where they get this from???????

It is wrong. He is champion now. He dont need to finish the rally...

[PLuto]

Day trhee - Sordo pushes Ogier to the limit, they fight for a win but both crash out without finishing rally. Does Sordo gets his powerstage pionts without finishing.???? If this hapens - sordo and ogier doesn not finish - then who gets powerstage winning points - I would guess its Neuville. ????

You are not correct. If Sordo finish the rally, he will receive 3 points from powerstage. If he will not finish, nobody will have 3 points. Bonus points from powerstage will not reallocate.

[rallyesport]

New update -> http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rally ... sace-2013/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-france-alsace-2013/)

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[Jafry]

Seb and Julien celebrating title in photography HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1202

[Francis44]

Congrats Ogier and Ingrassia :), well deserved!

[rage82]

I'm afraid they are confused.they think that he must finish the rally to secure the title. where they get this from???????

It is wrong. He is champion now. He dont need to finish the rally...
Of course Pluto is right. Neuville needs to win every rally and every PS until the end of the season - France, Spain and GB. As he ( Thierry ) lost the win in PS in France he's unable to become world champion anymore. So Ogier is champion no matter if he manage to finish the rally.

[rage82]

1.From wrc.com: "Rallye de France-Alsace organisers have made special efforts to reduce the amount of mud and gravel dragged onto the asphalt stages by drivers cutting corners. The inside of many bends are lined by a series of heavy bollards to keep cars on the asphalt and prevent drivers shaving tenths of a second from their time by cutting."
What do the poles look like? The metal ones a few years ago were nice and dangerous.
Picture of the poles taken by the Rally Guru: https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/stat ... 80/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/384715480142868480/photo/1)

[nafpaktos]

Day trhee - Sordo pushes Ogier to the limit, they fight for a win but both crash out without finishing rally. Does Sordo gets his powerstage pionts without finishing.???? If this hapens - sordo and ogier doesn not finish - then who gets powerstage winning points - I would guess its Neuville. ????

You are not correct. If Sordo finish the rally, he will receive 3 points from powerstage. If he will not finish, nobody will have 3 points. Bonus points from powerstage will not reallocate.

People of best-of-rally-live should be more informed about the regulations in order not to confuse wrc fans.They really dissapointed me!

[danon]

no... but ok... the pain ends in 3 days... the sideeffects will remain for a while.
wrong... the pain may last 3 days... the side effects may remain for years to come

[NxOxT]

no... but ok... the pain ends in 3 days... the sideeffects will remain for a while.
wrong... the pain may last 3 days... the side effects may remain for years to come

LooooooooooL

[danon]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[irish_tiger]

Does anybody know if Tabard Media are allowed into the stages 2 hours before the stage start ?

[tommeke_B]

Does anybody know if Tabard Media are allowed into the stages 2 hours before the stage start ?
All info should be in the media safety book. Normally tabard media is allowed on stage before it's driven, at least on tarmac. Sometimes even up to 1h30min before start, details should be in the media safety book. Spectators on the other hand are often even not allowed to drive on the stage the night before it's driven... ;)

[A FONDO]

no... but ok... the pain ends in 3 days... the sideeffects will remain for a while.
wrong... the pain may last 3 days... the side effects may remain for years to come

LooooooooooL
stop talking for pain because it is pure bullshit. and if there is any pain it is for the ones who av been fans of a single person (not of the sport itself) who is going to retire very soon and they will lose their masturbation inspiration. the frustration is obvious with all the hatred towards Ogier even now when he won fair and square.

[NxOxT]

stop talking for pain because it is pure bullshit. and if there is any pain it is for the ones who av been fans of a single person (not of the sport itself) who is going to retire very soon and they will lose their masturbation inspiration. the frustration is obvious with all the hatred towards Ogier even now when he won fair and square.

just 3 days of patience then its over, 9 years of suffering are not going to wash away just like that though so you have to regularly comfort yourself by creating antiloebs... now its Ogier after a few years you will find someone else... and eventually you will forget the 9 torturing years that scared you and the rest of the people who hated on him for no reason.


... Actually i am a big Fan of Ogier... he will bring the tears to the eyes of the sick dogs once the greatest motorsport personality of all times retires... but this year he just picked up the garbage.

3 days and it over...you can do it... i believe in you...

[A FONDO]

theres no suffering or torture over the nine years, you exaggerate his influence and I 'll tell you why, because you are alone and antisocial and in succesful person like loeb you see what you would want to be in the eyes of others.

nothing is over after 3 days. one driver being a class above others with a team being a class above others continues to dominate, only the names are a bit different. or at least this is situation from the eyes of general followers of the sport like me who dont look for a particular driver to worship.

[dimviii]

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[tolis]

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:kiss:

[stefanvv]

Ogier did not pick any garbage. He deserved won what he was working for hard last 2 years. I'm sure there is many more to come.

[dimviii]

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[NxOxT]

theres no suffering or torture over the nine years, you exaggerate his influence and I 'll tell you why, because you are alone and antisocial and in succesful person like loeb you see what you would want to be in the eyes of others.

nothing is over after 3 days. one driver being a class above others with a team being a class above others continues to dominate, only the names are a bit different. or at least this is situation from the eyes of general followers of the sport like me who dont look for a particular driver to worship.

yes its is always like that 1 driver dominates and the others follow but when a driver dominates for 9 years the tears drown some people... it is ok... 3 days.

[NxOxT]

Ogier did not pick any garbage. He deserved won what he was working for hard last 2 years. I'm sure there is many more to come.

Of course he deserves it... but it was still discredited by a 39 year old soon to be has been... someone had to take the title Loeb did not want.

[danon]

“Feel the force!” - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15gls ... -2013_auto (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15gls1_hommage-a-sebastien-loeb-et-daniel-elena-citroen-wrc-2013_auto)

[dimviii]

Ogier did not pick any garbage. He deserved won what he was working for hard last 2 years. I'm sure there is many more to come.

Of course he deserves it... but it was still discredited by a 39 year old soon to be has been... someone had to take the title Loeb did not want.

come on let Slowson celebrate




















Loebs retirement :D

[Andre Oliveira]

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[stefanvv]

the title Loeb did not want.
I'm not convinced of that at all. I'm no one drivers fan, but I can do the math, one of the reason of Loeb's retirement is that he had realized how difficult this year will be to make it 10, if not impossible, despite VW are brand new team.

[focus206]

the title Loeb did not want.
I'm not convinced of that at all. I'm no one drivers fan, but I can do the math, one of the reason of Loeb's retirement is that he had realized how difficult this year will be to make it 10, if not impossible, despite VW are brand new team.
if you can do the math you'll realize that Loeb is 39, it's not that he can go on forever and ever... besides, weren't already rumors of his retirement already 2 years ago? And a 9 times world champion scared of competition? Do you think he was afraid to "lose the face" finally losing a title after 9 consecutive years? Come on...

[stefanvv]

the title Loeb did not want.
I'm not convinced of that at all. I'm no one drivers fan, but I can do the math, one of the reason of Loeb's retirement is that he had realized how difficult this year will be to make it 10, if not impossible, despite VW are brand new team.
if you can do the math you'll realize that Loeb is 39, it's not that he can go on forever and ever... besides, weren't already rumors of his retirement already 2 years ago? And a 9 times world champion scared of competition? Do you think he was afraid to "lose the face" finally losing a title after 9 consecutive years? Come on...
Yes, he was close to retirement and he finally realised he can't go on more. It is just my opinion, nothing more ;)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Any weather forecast to rally area?

[miniwintz]

Sky is pretty clear this morning. For the afternoon, the forecast is light rain.

[dimviii]

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weather
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stage 2
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stage 4
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[GigiGalliNo1]

If Ogier retires from the rally, will be still keep the Power Stage point/s? Or will he loose them if he doesn't complete it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: