Rallye France Alsace 2013

[René]

Would anyone know co-drivers for crews:
#130 Robert Consani.................Jacques Boyère
#157 Patrick Cornus..................Julien Dauchel

[noel157]

Would anyone know co-drivers for crews:
#130 Robert Consani
#157 Patrick Cornus

Consani + Landais?
Cornus + Dauchel

[jonkka]

Thanks, I added Julien Dauchel for Cornus but am undecided about Robert Consani's co-driver.

Rene's suggestion Boyere is paired with #62 Stephane Consani so Noel's suggestion Landais sounds better but what's his first name? Vincent?

Edit: Ah, Landais is confirmed by http://www.lalsace.fr/sport/2013/10/04/speciale-n-1

[noel157]

Thanks, I added Julien Dauchel for Cornus but am undecided about Robert Consani's co-driver.

Rene's suggestion Boyere is paired with #62 Stephane Consani so Noel's suggestion Landais sounds better but what's his first name? Vincent?

Edit: Ah, Landais is confirmed by http://www.lalsace.fr/sport/2013/10/04/speciale-n-1

Yep, Vincent Landais.

[jonkka]

Thank you very much.

[jonkka]

Something wrong with Dani? :eek:

[jonkka]

Something wrong with Loeb? :eek:

[jonkka]

Something wrong with the timing, gotta be...

[noel157]

What did Dani say at stage end interview?

[User]

Also Ogier 19" down on first split .. Must be timing?

[Miika]

Splits.. Let me guess, they are getting lost in the fog.

[jonkka]

Looks like timing hassle (again), pheeew...

[Integrale]

What did Dani say at stage end interview?
He said it was very easy to make mistakes due to the black asphalt patches. Neuville said about the same.

[noel157]

Thanks.

Loeb spun at hairpin.

[jonkka]

Neuville's maiden win draws closer as opposition makes mistakes...

[noel157]

Neuville's maiden win draws closer as opposition makes mistakes...

Long way to go.......

Speaking of mistakes, Mikkelsen very lucky with his overshoot.

[Bartek]

Mikkelsen had a big moment

[jonkka]

Long way to go.......

That's true but only one faster is Ogier and he can pull out only a sec or so per stage. So he'd need 26 stages to overtake...
Mathematically and theoretically...

[noel157]

I imagine we'll see Ogier going faster as the day goes on. Fast enough? Who knows...

[jonkka]

Also remember that tomorrow is only 56 km long.

Next one is long one and will likely be a bit of a decider...

[A FONDO]

where is dimvi? stuck in the toilet?

[tommeke_B]

where is dimvi? stuck in the toilet?
He's probably at the supermarket. :D

[mousti]

Robert Consani retired on road section with broken bearing.

[dimviii]

where is dimvi? stuck in the toilet?

1,5 days more.Be patience.

[dimviii]

where is dimvi? stuck in the toilet?
He's probably at the supermarket. :D

forgot to buy beers :(

[andyone]

Ooh loeb is feeling the pressure. Hehe go neuville..

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[Mintexmemory]

Long way to go.......

That's true but only one faster is Ogier and he can pull out only a sec or so per stage. So he'd need 26 stages to overtake...
Mathematically and theoretically...
2 assumptions - 1) TN has a faultless run 2) The tyre usage is currently the same

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great rally, like the Sebs were just normal drivers and all the top guys have a chance to win !

Amazing. :colour:

[Bartek]

Wow. Big moment for Neuville

[jonkka]

assumptions - 1) TN has a faultless run

Indeed!

[mousti]

Those split times just suck..

[andyone]

Yap. He has lost that chance.. Poor neuville

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[jonkka]

What a time from Latvala!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Splits not working, stream stopping every few secs... :evil:

[jonkka]

Either splits suck big time or Loeb pulled time from thin air between last split and flying finish :eek:

[dimviii]

Either splits suck big time or Loeb pulled time from thin air between last split and flying finish :eek:
seems that splits are wrong.

900 stage wins for Loeb.

[GINE]

by the end of the day, Loeb will be second for sure.... ( or first???)

[vino_93]

What happened to Kostka ? Why didn't he restart ?

[jonkka]

seems that splits are wrong..

I am not at all sure about that because the gap between Sebs at final split (approx 3 secs) stayed till the end. More likely it's that Neuville's moment - if it occured between final split and finish it would account the time difference from +3,9 to -6.5 secs. Similarly Latvala was behind at final split but ahead at the end.

[Mirek]

What happened to Kostka ? Why didn't he restart ?

What would be a reason for that? There was everything wrong with his start already from recce. First his co-driver had to be taken to hospital during recce so they decided to call Chris Patterson who was there to help. They made pacenotes for some stages only from video or pacenotes of others and even for the rest it wasn't sure perfect solution because Tomáš has never driven a single kilometer with English pacenotes before. When the top mount of front right damper broke on SS2 (after a jump) there was nothing more to fight for. Tomáš went to France to make good result not to cruise with no chance for anything.

[txl]

Neuville's mistake cost him about 3 seconds, it was shown on the live stream. No reason for 10sec difference. Splits are completely wrong.

[NxOxT]

One last big battle before the goodbye... nice stuff.

Then the nightmare ends...

[dimviii]

Perhaps the best rally so far.All top 5 positions open.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVznVHTCQAA5Oea.jpg

[NxOxT]

What i would like to see is Neuville to win and Loeb second... it would be a great result from any point of view.

[dimviii]

Loeb incar ss3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... UauZ9UX7J8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NUauZ9UX7J8)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 6hFLQIkNIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b6hFLQIkNIA)

[raybak]

What has happened on stage 10, no more times coming through?

Ray

[dimviii]

search for stage 8-10 video at wrc.com Has Loebs spin inside.
http://www.wrc.com/video/

[kober]

Live stream for SS11?

[A FONDO]

Live stream for SS11?
I read it will start after 30 minutes... :rolleyes:

[tommeke_B]

What has happened on stage 10, no more times coming through?

Ray
Wagemans-Pattyn-Fiesta R2 had a big crash. Crew OK.

[dimviii]

stage 11
http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 8881_n.jpg (http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q82/s720x720/564480_220429654787850_1059458881_n.jpg)

[MartijnS]

http://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 5945_n.jpg (http://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1381863_10200476647950502_514605945_n.jpg)

Apparently Consani was caught at an illegal recce, tried to get away at a controle and caused an accident than..

[tommeke_B]

Neuville punctured... :(

[kober]

Neuville struggling through the stage, left rear puncture.

Seems like no stream for SS11 :hmph:

[NxOxT]

what is the link for the live feed ?

[danon]

http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

[NxOxT]

Nice push by sordo...

[Miika]

Tennis. FFS.

[jonkka]

Damn...

[satukata]

Live stream?

[NxOxT]

meh.... poor neuville...

[Bartek]

For those who have ASTRA, 14:30 Sport1 Live stage :)

[jonkka]

Stopped to change?

EDIT: Nah, just missed split

[mousti]

Just time loss no damage to car, maybe a podium but nothing more.

[dimviii]

Just time loss no damage to car, maybe a podium but nothing more.

podium with tyre change? impossiblee with so tight among forst 5 crews mate.

[dimviii]

For those who have ASTRA, 14:30 Sport1 Live stage :)

give us the link Bartek!!!!!

[NxOxT]

over a minute lost for neuville game over....

and then they were 4

[kober]

Sordo will lead after the stage. Neuville down to fifth.

[jonkka]

Seems that Sordo takes the lead

[mousti]

Just time loss no damage to car, maybe a podium but nothing more.

podium with tyre change? impossiblee with so tight among forst 5 crews mate.
Yeah, now seeinig his time it's indeed impossible. Looking forward to Catalunya then for a possible win :).

[NxOxT]

this is the link but for now it shows some girls playing a weird sport.

http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

[dimviii]

now is time for the Master...

[jonkka]

But Ogier is coming up fast...

[dimviii]

this is the link but for now it shows some girls playing a weird sport.

http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

i dont see girls,just sick dogs...

[NxOxT]

sordo the new leader... nice.

[Bartek]

For those who have ASTRA, 14:30 Sport1 Live stage :)

give us the link Bartek!!!!!

I'm searching, I have it on TV ...

[dimviii]

But Ogier is coming up fast...

one of these 2 will win.Lets see.Best rally by faaaaaaarr!!!

[mousti]

crash Kikireshko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZmTaAn7MU4

[NxOxT]

everyone slower from this morning by around 1 sec.

[stefanvv]

Here is Sport1 stream, but motocross there - http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

[Bartek]

Here is Sport1 stream, but motocross there - http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

MY friend found on their page that they have live coverage from next stage :)

[dimviii]

inside 5,2 sec top 4 crews.Rally started just now. :colour: :crazy: :eek: :vader: :skull:

[NxOxT]

crazy battle...

[jonkka]

With just one SS win, Sordo is rally leader for the second time already...

[stefanvv]

Looks like the Rally starts right now. Shame for Neuville's bad luck

[NxOxT]

the rally is live now... they dropped the girls pretending to be men and they tuned into some real alpha male wolf stuff....

http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

[danon]

no one is talking beers today... hangover :D

[NxOxT]

meh... girls on again... they start from ss12...

[danon]

ON AIR http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

[polo10]

What a shame...Neuville deserve this one, future world champion for sure...Big battle, big rally...Now that neuville is off the battle, Loeb should win, it would be a happy end for him...

[dimviii]

[SS11] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 14:41.5 "Its more possible (to challenge for the lead), we have to carry on like that, we had a good stage. We push hard and take risks."

:skull:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Neuville - the rally was so good with no problems or crashes and the results just down to the driving - and now its ruined by a puncture to the leader. :(

[kober]

Wasn't the puncture caused by a spin? Note, he made a mistake in Germany while fighting for the win too.

[noel157]

Yep, shame about Nueville, a breath of fresh air in the championship. Either bad luck or too much cutting?

[NxOxT]

ss12 is on but we still have the girls with shorts on the stream

[kober]

ss12 is on but we still have the girls with shorts on the stream
WRC's live on http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

[danon]

I watch it LIVE NOW on http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

[dimviii]

http://www.viponlinesports.eu/motorspor ... nline.html (http://www.viponlinesports.eu/motorsports/181919/1/wrc-series:-rally-de-france-live-stream-online.html)


best quality at this stream

[dimviii]

Sordo

''we have to push very hard because Ogier is coming'' :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tommeke_B]

Shame for Thierry, the gap is too big, he can forget a podium position, except if 2 driver mess up... But still, what a fight for the lead!

[EightGear]

http://www.viponlinesports.eu/motorsports/181919/1/wrc-series:-rally-de-france-live-stream-online.html


best quality at this stream

With English commentary. :)

[Francis44]

Loeb not happy, looses 3.3 seconds, car understeering.

[stefanvv]

What a battle :)

[jonkka]

That Skyport coverage seems excellent, much better splits and speeds and all...

[A FONDO]

even the mud/gravel from the cuts can't be used for an excuse because the winner of the stages started fifth :D

[dimviii]

Neuvilles rim at stage stop
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV0Lc9_IQAA8MBe.jpg:large

[Tom206wrc]

Puncture for Llemes(leader Jwrc)on SS11 :confused:

[dimviii]

Neuville will not attack anymore.No spare wheel.

[kober]

Neuville will not attack anymore.No spare wheel.
Not enough km to get into the top four either way.

[stefanvv]

Neuville will not attack anymore.No spare wheel.
Began this stage quite hard, but looks like gave up soon, the car was sliding alot.

[dimviii]

Neuville will not attack anymore.No spare wheel.
Not enough km to get into the top four either way.

except if we have drama.

[kober]

SS13 is on http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

[arko5]

http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine12.html

again live

[EightGear]

Looks like it is getting wetter.

[dimviii]

Sunday with just 56 stage kms

[noel157]

Latvala beats Sordo, an asphalt specialist. Going well so far.

[stefanvv]

Looks like it'll be veeery close finish tomorrow. What is the forecast?

[dimviii]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
Latvala is 2s quicker than @DaniSordo in SS14. The gap is just 0.6 !!! #WRC #RDFAlsace #GoDani

Best of Rally Live ?@bestofrallylive
@CitroenRacing it's SS13

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
@bestofrallylive Sorry, Daniel Elena doesn't let us use the 13 number

[stefanvv]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
Latvala is 2s quicker than @DaniSordo in SS14. The gap is just 0.6 !!! #WRC #RDFAlsace #GoDani

Best of Rally Live ?@bestofrallylive
@CitroenRacing it's SS13

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
@bestofrallylive Sorry, Daniel Elena doesn't let us use the 13 number
:confused:

[NxOxT]

wow crazy battle tomorrow... with Loeb following Ogiers lines and braking points this time. It is going to be crazy...

what a magnificent goodbye that will be...

[Kalm]

top4 in 0.8 sec in SS13... wow, thats how its should be every rally :)

[NxOxT]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
Latvala is 2s quicker than @DaniSordo in SS14. The gap is just 0.6 !!! #WRC #RDFAlsace #GoDani

Best of Rally Live ?@bestofrallylive
@CitroenRacing it's SS13

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
@bestofrallylive Sorry, Daniel Elena doesn't let us use the 13 number
:confused:

some countries have No 13 as a bad omen... its a superstition.

[stefanvv]

some countries have No 13 as a bad omen... its a superstition.
Thank you, I just didn't got the joke

[uranium]

Fantastic! What a rally! 4 cars in one!! second. :crazy:

[dimviii]

:confused:

Citroen announced results for stage 13 writing as stage 14 because Elena deny the number 13(number of bad luck)

drinking again?

[tommeke_B]

Triskaidekaphobia :D

[stefanvv]

:confused:

Citroen announced results for stage 13 writing as stage 14 because Elena deny the number 13(number of bad luck)

drinking again?
Not at all, today it's sports day. Sometimes it's difficult to get his sense of humor, though he is my sign :D

[NxOxT]

Triskaidekaphobia :D

dekatriaphodia (deka = 10, tria= 3) tris ke deka literally means (3 and 10) but we also use it to indicate the time tris ke deka = 3:10

[dimviii]

Triskaidekaphobia :D

my beers are not 3+10 They are 20.
i owned you 2 beers from previous bet.
20-2=18 beers you own to me.

@Mintexmemory

fix the pickem with beers,not with points. :D

[Puyan]

The stages look quite boring no ? Highway driving...

[dimviii]

The stages look quite boring no ? Highway driving...

+1 boring for the tv spectator.

new photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[tommeke_B]

Triskaidekaphobia :D

my beers are not 3+10 They are 20.
i owned you 2 beers from previous bet.
20-2=18 beers you own to me.

@Mintexmemory

fix the pickem with beers,not with points. :D
It's not over yet dimviii... :p I know both (proper) stages of tomorrow quite well, there are some tricky places. :)

[dimviii]

@ Tom
place the beers at fridge.


Neuville with rim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... q3CLqYNdXk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_q3CLqYNdXk)

[dimviii]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV0qkHFIcAAk_Tj.jpg:large
george donaldson ?@DonaldsonGeorge
Check oout the weather just north of mulhouse a short while ago

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC.com - A downcast Neuville explained what had happened, “We slid slightly wide in a right-hand junction and hit something, a stone or something. It pushed the tyre off the rim, it deflated and then it was finished. It’s not possible to win any more,” he said.


So not unlucky, a small mistake ... but still a shame given his performance so far... :burn:

Amazing battle between the top 4 tomorrow... :colour:

[dimviii]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15k6l ... -2013_auto (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15k6lr_sordo-et-loeb-se-mettent-en-avant-au-rallye-de-france-citroen-wrc-2013_auto)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any live stream for the final stage today ?

[dimviii]

Any live stream for the final stage today ?


http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine16.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thanks - just in time to see JML take the lead !!

Who would have predicted this on this rally vs Loeb, Ogier and Sordo ??? :confused:

[dimviii]

top3 in 1,5 sec
:skull:
:skull:
:skull:
:skull:
:skull:

[dimviii]

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 946&type=3 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.243689569114494.1073741844.134291726720946&type=3)



@bluuford
any forcast for Sunday?

[A FONDO]

what a day, what a day! speechless!

tomorrow will be like a top-level sprint, any of the first three can win

[dimviii]

Mikko 2min 43 sec from leader....

[dimviii]

what a day, what a day! speechless!

tomorrow will be like a top-level sprint, any of the first three can win

1 day more and your pain will end.

[danon]

what a painless day :laugh:

[A FONDO]

what a day, what a day! speechless!

tomorrow will be like a top-level sprint, any of the first three can win

1 day more and your pain will end.
...and also your reason for living. will you commit a ritual suicide?


what a painless day :laugh:
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/b80faf549634f9aa8e64d1007272f968.gif http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/b80faf549634f9aa8e64d1007272f968.gif http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/b80faf549634f9aa8e64d1007272f968.gif

[NxOxT]

1 more day then your nightmares end... 9 years of hell and agony will end tomorrow. You can do it...

[dimviii]

1 more day then your nightmares end... 9 years of hell and agony will end tomorrow. You can do it...

dont think so.Pain will still be for years.He cant post without minimise Loebs performance even at this last rally.
I forgive him.

[danon]

no pain - no gain

[Sulland]

What SS tomorrow will we see Loeb pull a Loeb? To surcically pull ahead of everybody with an increadable time !

He has done this in almost every rally, does he still have it in him?
We will se romorrow!

[NxOxT]

1 more day then your nightmares end... 9 years of hell and agony will end tomorrow. You can do it...

dont think so.Pain will still be for years.He cant post without minimise Loebs performance even at this last rally.
I forgive him.

the pain will go away but the scars on the skin of every sick dog Loeb humiliated (both drivers and fans) over these 9 years will remain to remind them the beatings...

still its a shame to bother with individuals now that we have a 4 way battle... the first in decades on tarmac. May the fastest man win no matter who it is... the true winner is the sport and the fans.

[tommeke_B]

THE stage for Loeb to make a difference was Pays d'Ormont, or Hohlandsbourg today, and it didn't happen... On tomorrows stages I think the starting position could be in the advantage of Latvala, especially if the roads will be wet, but can he handle it, mentally?

[stefanvv]

Ogier yesterday morning @0:16 :D :D :D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHClXj59udw

[dimviii]

.

still its a shame to bother with individuals now that we have a 4 way battle... the first in decades on tarmac. May the fastest man win no matter who it is... the true winner is the sport and the fans.
unfortunately cant understant it some guys.

[dimviii]

THE stage for Loeb to make a difference was Pays d'Ormont, or Hohlandsbourg today, and it didn't happen... On tomorrows stages I think the starting position could be in the advantage of Latvala, especially if the roads will be wet, but can he handle it, mentally?

Tom i dont think Latvala will be allowed to win.Except that today Ogier was clearly fastest guy,....seems that he will be choosen to attack.And thats right imho.

[stefanvv]

THE stage for Loeb to make a difference was Pays d'Ormont, or Hohlandsbourg today, and it didn't happen... On tomorrows stages I think the starting position could be in the advantage of Latvala, especially if the roads will be wet, but can he handle it, mentally?

Tom i dont think Latvala will be allowed to win.
If he can, why not? But very difficult anyway. Tomorrow will belong to Sebs I believe

[tommeke_B]

I think this is too close to choose a strategy. I guess both will get green light to attack... :) Same at Citroën, but of course, if Loeb will win, it will be only because Sordo is not allowed to...

[dimviii]

I think this is too close to choose a strategy. I guess both will get green light to attack... :) Same at Citroën, but of course, if Loeb will win, it will be only because Sordo is not allowed to...

dont remember where i listen it,but when Latvala asked about that he said''ask Capito''
In an other interview he mention that, my order at this rally is to collect points for championship,thats why i believe that Ogier will attack for the win.For sure he can handle the pressure also better from Latvala.And today was clearly faster.
Of course if Ogier have a problem,or a wrong tyre choice will give him the ok to attack.

new photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Rdk8ie-1Bs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERdk8ie-1Bs)

[Jafry]

Photos from Saturday HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1202

[mousti]

Neuville on the attack..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbtPBsVYr2c

[Langdale Forest]

I still think Loeb will win tomorrow.

[COD]

THE stage for Loeb to make a difference was Pays d'Ormont, or Hohlandsbourg today, and it didn't happen... On tomorrows stages I think the starting position could be in the advantage of Latvala, especially if the roads will be wet, but can he handle it, mentally?

There is only one answer to that, Latvala will cruble under pressure like always

[dimviii]

at official site video with stages 11-14 has Neuvilles spin with rim from heli,and a moment of Sordo(wide on exit)

[rallyfun]

Very shocking scene today in Colmar, new champion left alone in VW van, I have seen only few jurnalists around him, at the same time a proper queue for interview with Loeb. I feel sorry for Ogier, dispite being arogant he is the champion but not much interest.

[dimviii]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ2G2oWllxw#t=52

[dimviii]

Loebs spin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lss7otuime8

[Mirek]

Very shocking scene today in Colmar, new champion left alone in VW van, I have seen only few jurnalists around him, at the same time a proper queue for interview with Loeb. I feel sorry for Ogier, dispite being arogant he is the champion but not much interest.

I guess the worse performance of Ogier in first leg was more related to this situation. He became a world champion, first different one after nine years, in his home country but nobody there was interested in him. All the crowds, all French media are there because it is the last rally of Loeb. I can imagine that Ogier must have felt mad about that.

[NxOxT]

Very shocking scene today in Colmar, new champion left alone in VW van, I have seen only few jurnalists around him, at the same time a proper queue for interview with Loeb. I feel sorry for Ogier, dispite being arogant he is the champion but not much interest.

I guess the worse performance of Ogier in first leg was more related to this situation. He became a world champion, first different one after nine years, in his home country but nobody there was interested in him. All the crowds, all French media are there because it is the last rally of Loeb. I can imagine that Ogier must have felt mad about that.

like a garbage picker...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV9NW6oD ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV9NW6oDOtI&feature=youtu.be)

[Nornbugger]

One last big battle before the goodbye... nice stuff.

Then the nightmare ends...


are you leaving us already? ;)

[danon]

Very shocking scene today in Colmar, new champion left alone in VW van, I have seen only few jurnalists around him, at the same time a proper queue for interview with Loeb. I feel sorry for Ogier, dispite being arogant he is the champion but not much interest.

I guess the worse performance of Ogier in first leg was more related to this situation. He became a world champion, first different one after nine years, in his home country but nobody there was interested in him. All the crowds, all French media are there because it is the last rally of Loeb. I can imagine that Ogier must have felt mad about that.

like a garbage picker...
NO... like a second best! :laugh:

One is The Master!

Give me a call in 9 years... :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

OK, so what can Ogier do but win the Championship in a dominant fashion ?

Ogier had to leave Citroen and then have a year out waiting for the Polo. Loeb chose to retire and not compete with him in 2013 - why ? Did he fear him and not want to risk a blemish to his legacy ? And this season Loeb has only done the events he has chosen as they are his favourites

None of this is Ogier's fault, so his Championship is as valid as any ever has been.

Like the saying goes in football, ' You can only beat the team put in front of you..'

[tommeke_B]

I don't know if I have overlooked this, or if nobody has mentioned it yet...

Congratulations to Pontus Tidemand and Ola Floene for winning the JWRC! :)

[NxOxT]

OK, so what can Ogier do but win the Championship in a dominant fashion ?

Ogier had to leave Citroen and then have a year out waiting for the Polo. Loeb chose to retire and not compete with him in 2013 - why ? Did he fear him and not want to risk a blemish to his legacy ? And this season Loeb has only done the events he has chosen as they are his favourites

None of this is Ogier's fault, so his Championship is as valid as any ever has been.

Like the saying goes in football, ' You can only beat the team put in front of you..'

His championship is valid and he deserves it but a 39 year old Loeb who hasn;t competed on tarmac for about a year and on any rally for around 5 months comes here with an INFERIOR car and he is just 3.5 seconds away... with such a small margin i think it really doesn;t matter who wins...

Loeb is the true winner and the media, you and me and everyone knows that... If Ogier dominated (AS HE SHOULD) the rally and Loeb was 1-2 minutes behind then it would be a different story... now you cannot say for sure that Ogier was the best man this year overall because there is always the doubt.. what if Loeb competed ?? That is why i am saying this championship is garbage and its Loebs fault.

Ogier did not do anything wrong of course but this year he just picks up the garbage Loeb left for him... maybe this was Loebs revenge...

[danon]

... Like the saying goes in football, ' You can only beat the team put in front of you..'

Another saying goes - "Half a life one works for status/name/career etc...
the other half the status/name/career etc., work for him for the rest of his life"... if lucky enough.

Simple!?

[Mirek]

OK, so what can Ogier do but win the Championship in a dominant fashion ?

To defeat Loeb in Monte Carlo and in Argentina. But that's of course very easy to write from an armchair.


Ogier had to leave Citroen and then have a year out waiting for the Polo. Loeb chose to retire and not compete with him in 2013 - why ? Did he fear him and not want to risk a blemish to his legacy ?

Don't think so. For me it's silly to even think about Loeb being afraid of anyone. He sent a whole generation of rally gods to retirement and than defeated all the young coming one after another. I do believe he really felt tired by the whole WRC circus, all the traveling, recce, almost no time at home etc. Time is running fast and one day You find that there are some other things You shall do in Your life...


And this season Loeb has only done the events he has chosen as they are his favourites

The selection was actually quite curious as he chose some events he has pretty bad record in (Sweden) and didn't select his strongest event of all times (Germany).


None of this is Ogier's fault, so his Championship is as valid as any ever has been.

Like the saying goes in football, ' You can only beat the team put in front of you..'

Monte Carlo and Argentina again. People will always remember that. For the sport and especially Ogier himself it would be best if he finishes ahead of Loeb tomorrow. That would be the proper way to take the crown. Let's see.

I'm still wondering why Loeb decided to drive the four rallies this year. It's like a spiteful kick in Ogier's ass when every few months the old guy comes back and spoils the party...

[NxOxT]

Don't think so. For me it's silly to even think about Loeb being afraid of anyone. He sent a whole generation of rally gods to retirement and than defeated all the young coming one after another. I do believe he really felt tired by the whole WRC circus, all the traveling, recce, almost no time at home etc. Time is running fast and one day You find that there are some other things You shall do in Your life...

At first i also thought this might be the case but the guy this year travelled like mad as well with the porsche cup, the FIA GT, pikes peak, the rallies and he was in china a few days ago...

[NxOxT]

Monte Carlo and Argentina again. People will always remember that. For the sport and especially Ogier himself it would be best if he finishes ahead of Loeb tomorrow. That would be the proper way to take the crown. Let's see.


It deosn't really make a difference. the gap is so small it is not about driving ability anymore...

Ogier failed to dominate over Loeb this year while he had everything on his side... so he picks up the garbage this year and he focuses to dominate the following 2-3 championships to make people forget.

[dimviii]

Don't think so. For me it's silly to even think about Loeb being afraid of anyone. He sent a whole generation of rally gods to retirement and than defeated all the young coming one after another. I do believe he really felt tired by the whole WRC circus, all the traveling, recce, almost no time at home etc. Time is running fast and one day You find that there are some other things You shall do in Your life...

At first i also thought this might be the case but the guy this year travelled like mad as well with the porsche cup, the FIA GT, pikes peak, the rallies and he was in china a few days ago...

Maybe tired to do the SAME all this years.Fia-gt is something different,pikespeak is again different.He didn t said that he will stay at home.
Maybe the deal with Citroen wanted these 4 particular rallies for their marketing reasons.
between citroen-loeb discussions both sides had to give something to other side.

[Mirek]

At first i also thought this might be the case but the guy this year travelled like mad as well with the porsche cup, the FIA GT, pikes peak, the rallies and he was in china a few days ago...

You are right. On the other hand it's something different and new for him. You take new challenges different way than what You are used to do for years...


It deosn't really make a difference. the gap is so small it is not about driving ability anymore...

It does. Not for us freaks and not now but after few years nobody would look at the gaps in finish. What will remain is the results in which one is written upon the other.

[danon]

one thing's certain - PSA won't allow it VW to repeat 9 in a row

9 - nine years!!!

[dimviii]

It's like a spiteful kick in Ogier's ass when every few months the old guy comes back and spoils the party...

so true.

[danon]

he other thing The Master proves is - ain't no bad cars, but bad masters

[dimviii]

nice news if true..

What’s the strategy for tomorrow and will there be team orders?
JC: The rally is so exciting and close that we will let them go. They both want to win the rally and we told them to do what they have to do to win. There are no team orders, they can go flat out.

YM: There’s no real plan. The only one is to try to win. Four guys are separated by five seconds. As Jost said, any of the four drivers are able to win and they have done a great weekend. Nobody can tell any of those drivers they don’t deserve to win.

[Rallyper]

Tomorrow´s the day. Loeb will prove himself the best of the best (I must admit) :cool:

BTW Pontus T is also world champion in rallying this year. Maybe at VW next?? ;)

[NxOxT]

It does. Not for us freaks and not now but after few years nobody would look at the gaps in finish. What will remain is the results in which one is written upon the other.

Right now i doubt there are casual rally fans with he promotion the sport gets.... only freaks of nature and the abominations of the motorsport society... most casual motorsport fans prefer ladyboys going in circles.

I think when the gap is that small and when the battle so fierce it will take some time to forget it, just like the previous 2 times in NZ... and the fact that it is Loebs final rally will add to it.

The point is Ogier failed to dominate the only true rival he had this year so instead of picking up the torch of glory and carry on riding in the sunset like a true warrior drenched in the blood of his enemies (damn i am good !!!) he just picked up the garbage bag and moved slowly toward the garbage pit... next year his true championship race begins simply because there will be no other reference...

[mousti]

Mini shortcut :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmySSR9rYD8

[danon]

no co...mentos :D

[bluuford]

I was away from my computer for the whole day..picking apples from the tree :-) From time to tome was checking the reults from my phone while sitting on the branch :-)
It is raining very, very, very, very heavily on the stages right now.There will be lakes on the road tomorrow morning.
Weather will be very cold, morning temperatures will be +13..+14 and afternoo +14..+15.It should be mostly cloudy. There might be some rain on the morning stages but afternoon stages should be mostly without rain. However, without wind (1-2m/s), clouds and cold temperature there is very little chanche that somebody decides to go without soft tyres, maybe Mikkelsen :-P

[danon]

“What goes up must come down.” - Isaac Newton
... apples, grapes, pears accompanied with gorgonzola & mascarpone, brie, camembert, blue stallion and a glas of red wine as a final touch for the winner :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cant decide what I hope happens tomorrow...

Loeb the legend wins and a has a great finale to his career...

Ogier wins after looking out of it on Friday and cements the title in style...

JML beats both of them and shocks the rally world...

Or Neuville wins every stage and shows he was really the true winner.

Cant wait for morning ! :bounce:

[NxOxT]

what about sordo ?

[danon]

Any one has good and bad days.

Whose day is today...

Almighty sleep!

[Andre Oliveira]

Photos eWRC-results.com here (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=6541&t=Rallye-de-France-Alsace-2013)

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1378775_126019760901971_267402156_n.jpg

[Sulland]

I don't know if I have overlooked this, or if nobody has mentioned it yet...

Congratulations to Pontus Tidemand and Ola Floene for winning the JWRC! :)

Congrats to both, but especially Ola for being the 2nd Norwegian world champion in rally ever!!

[Negaiss]

Good Morning! My Prediction: Loeb wins because of supertime, he makes on a first stage. Sordo takes second. Latvala out in a first stage. Ogier third - is better than Sordo in afternoon, but sordo is faster in the morning because of a cleaner road due to first road position.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally
Village of Rott at end of SS15. Wasn't a cloud in the Sky when the boys recced on Wednesday! Just a tad different now

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV34uu0IAAAs6hC.jpg:large


today i have to go with my son to 2 football matches :disturb:


may we have a good last day without drama,and close fight till the last km.
As another mate said,everyone deserves to win this unbelievable rally.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

I hope at today everyone gives HANAAAAAAAAA!!

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally
From @MadsOstberg safety crew "a lot of water, not as much as last year. Mud will be the problem, not for 1st car but for all following!"

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally
Absolutely horrible morning in the countryside around Hagenau. Heavy overnight rain means there is water everywhere! Difficult conditions!!!

[dimviii]

today morning from Citroen racing
http://instagram.com/p/fHXXm4hF_B/

http://instagram.com/p/fHUhCOBF7w/

[dimviii]

watch Loebs left foot at incars :D he used to do it when attacks :D

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15lk4o

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie ?@planetemarcus
#WRC @rallyedefrance Cleebourg stage - too much rain :(

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV4AYJSIAAAJXkw.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

No gamble with the tyres it seems in this case. Thriller continues anyway :p

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing 1?
All drivers will run this last leg with soft @michelin_sport tyres

[mm1]

Any live stages today?

[wwbroe]

Stage will be live soon, what a thriller indeed, it has been quite some years since we saw this kind of fight for victory. Good luck to them all, let the battle begin. :)

[stefanvv]

Any livestream on first stages? Canal+ seems to begin at 10CET

[rage82]

Loeb rolled in the stage

[wwbroe]

Loeb rolled :eek:

[jonkka]

Whaaaat? :eek:

[dimviii]

at 0,50 Mikkelsen veeery lucky!! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s9v5Snr8fo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=js9v5Snr8fo)

[Miika]

Yes, the nightmare ends.

[wwbroe]

Damn, splits looks like shit once more, what a shitty company... :(

[Mirek]

Loeb rolled in the stage

That's what I call a surprise.

[jonkka]

Latvala loses his chances...

[wwbroe]

What a time for Seb Ogier, he shows some master speed in this one.

[stefanvv]

Behold the new master :)

[Bartek]

After first today stage everything is finished..

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing
Seb and Daniel are out of the car. Both of them seem OK

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen off also, what a bad stage for Citroens

[jonkka]

After first today stage everything is finished..

Yeah, quite an anti-climax :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sad way to end a career...

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb nooooooo ;(

[dimviii]

at Germany both works vw with little points,at France both ds3s with no points!!!

[jonkka]

at Germany both works vw with little points,at France both ds3s with no points!!!

You mean little points, not no points...

[wwbroe]

Novikov really slow trough this stage, but he didn't show any good speed this rally :(

[stefanvv]

Looks like VW can get the title also here

[Mirek]

(11 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): In very fast right Loeb just went deep in the ditch, but they are ok. Very difficult stage.

[dimviii]

[SS15] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 8:34.4 "Very fast right and he (Loeb) just went deep in the ditch, but they are okay. Very difficult (in the stage)."

[SS15] Mikko Hirvonen (Citroen) - Has gone off the road, but is back on again :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

at Germany both works vw with little points,at France both ds3s with no points!!!

You mean little points, not no points...
i think only Mikko and Seb were nomimated for points?

[jonkka]

i think only Mikko and Seb were nomimated for points?

That's right and Mikko is still in the game, so it's not "no points" for Citroen, isn't it?

[A FONDO]

live stream should start at 12:40 local time for SS 18

[wwbroe]

This was supposed to be a great ending for this rally, but after first stage i'm a little bit disappointed because rally seems to be run now. :(

[dimviii]

http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 9386_n.jpg (http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1382209_672430392767170_1786649386_n.jpg)

[Mintexmemory]

Sad way to end a career...

At least it was a scenario of his own choosing. Now the new WC can take the plaudits without any distraction.

[tommeke_B]

Neuville had a spin on this stage, according to my friends information.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dramatic first stage..

No super finale for Loeb... Ogier shows he is still the fastest here.

[A FONDO]

so "the master" (of hirvonen and solberg) also makes mistakes when he is pushed to it. he was just too comfortable with no compettion when collecting "numbers" some years ago

[Bartek]

so "the master" (of hirvonen and solberg) also makes mistakes when he is pushed to it. he was just too comfortable with no compettion when collecting "numbers" some years ago

Are you kidding?

[dimviii]

so "the master" (of hirvonen and solberg) also makes mistakes when he is pushed to it. he was just too comfortable with no compettion when collecting "numbers" some years ago

pain still there? will be for years......

[stefanvv]

I think live tv starts on 10CET, can be watched here - http://sport.alive-tv.com/canalplus.php

[dimviii]

so "the master" (of hirvonen and solberg) also makes mistakes when he is pushed to it. he was just too comfortable with no compettion when collecting "numbers" some years ago

Are you kidding?

he is no kidding,pain is big..

[tommeke_B]

Sad way to win 20 beers. I told you it wasn't over Dimviii....

[dimviii]

Sad way to win 20 beers. I told you it wasn't over Dimviii....

not 20 i own 22 beers :D

[wwbroe]

so "the master" (of hirvonen and solberg) also makes mistakes when he is pushed to it. he was just too comfortable with no compettion when collecting "numbers" some years ago

Are you kidding?

No, he is just retarded

[Rallyper]

So - how sure are we now that this was Loeb´s last WRC rally???

[stefanvv]

So - how sure are we now that this was Loeb´s last WRC rally???
Officially it is. Unofficially - not

[Mintexmemory]

So - how sure are we now that this was Loeb´s last WRC rally???
Officially it is. Unofficially - not

I can't see Loeb wanting to compromise his reputation by doing an occasional annual come-back. Right now he has some inkling of the way Gronholm and Hirvonen felt when they both cracked under pressure when contesting WDC. That wasn't at stake here but what this rally has shown is how Seb L has now reached a point where there is competition he can't intimidate and his mental edge was half the advantage he always had. Seb is gone, long live the Seb!

[tfp]

:-)