Hyundai i20 WRC

[Mintexmemory]

True but much of the Citroen problems are due to succession planning failure. - can't see that being an issue for VW for the next 3-4 years

[jonlint]

...The Polo will have had 2 seasons of specific event optimisation...

...and Nanadan will be able to leapfrog with a fresh homologation :)

[Rallying UK]

HYUNDAI WRC: All the recent videos of testing of the Hyundai i20 WRC can be seen here - in one place:
Hyundai i20 WRC: July / August 2013 tests - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/17MS5qF)

[User]

According to the following article, a new version of the i20 is coming in as early as next year?

Spyshots: New Hyundai i20 Looks Promising (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-new-hyundai-i20-looks-promising-64337.html)

[Mirek]

Yes, that is true and that's why people speak about a completely new WRC car for Hyundai in 2015 (new base stock car means new separate homologation).

[MJW]

Yes, that is true and that's why people speak about a completely new WRC car for Hyundai in 2015 (new base stock car means new separate homologation).
New basis for homologation too in 2015, the new WRC cars will not be homologated as S2000 type. Maybe some form of R5 or R5plus for the top class. From the gossip I am hearing there are a lot of manufacturers evaluating if not developing R5 rally cars. So in a way 2015 is press the re-start button on WRC technically speaking.

[Fly]

From Nikara's facebook account:

Hehe.. toimittajat soittelee et olisin Hyundaita menossa testaa?? No kyllä minä oon valmis ku vaan ilmoittasivat mullekkin missä ja millon tämmönen mahdollisuus olis!

Any translator? (Google doesn't help much)

[Juha_Koo]

From Nikara's facebook account:

Hehe.. toimittajat soittelee et olisin Hyundaita menossa testaa?? No kyllä minä oon valmis ku vaan ilmoittasivat mullekkin missä ja millon tämmönen mahdollisuus olis!

Any translator? (Google doesn't help much)

"Hehe.. journalists are calling me that I would be going to test Hyundai. Well, I'm ready as soon they inform me where and when this kind of opportunity would be!"

:D

[mousti]

Juho Hanninen testing the i20 WRC.

Essais Privée Hyundai i20 WRC [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzr4CdLU85s&feature=youtu.be)

[Mirek]

Nothing impressive so far. Let's see how they progress. VW wasn't impressive for quite a long time also and than...

[noel157]

Car/engine seems not to have much grunt at this stage in development although Juha may have been just shaking down the car. Only near S2000 performance from what we've seen so far. Hopefully it'll be near or at R5 performance level in the next month or two.

[dimviii]

http://rhphotograph.free.fr/rallye-sportmeca/photos/2013/rallye/essais_hyundai/photos/IMG10.jpg

more photos from Bouffier test
RHphotograph - Photos de rallye - Essais Hyundaï WRC 2013 (http://rhphotograph.free.fr/rallye-sportmeca/photos/2013/rallye/essais_hyundai/essais_hyundai.html)

[Rallyper]

For me it looks like the car only has a 1600 NA engine. No power like WRC car on the videos.

[tommeke_B]

Still so early to say... It is a different level, but did you know the 208 R2 was doing practically all development tests with an engine that had 20hp less than the actual engine used now?

[Rallyper]

Still so early to say... It is a different level, but did you know the 208 R2 was doing practically all development tests with an engine that had 20hp less than the actual engine used now?

Nope. And I don´t put anything special in my comment above, because as you say Peugeot did, it can be many reasons why they dont put WRC-engine in while testing things at the moment.

[adr17]

first fiesta wrc had a focus wrc engine in remapped to represent a 1.6 turbo ie less torque

[adr17]

also the engine will be good in the end as it is being developed by pipo

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-IRU1Yvp9pU

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGfaeo99__A

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qFRllwHbfs8

[NxOxT]

no....not there yet...

[adr17]

well if defiantly getting better , well done to the guys and another 4-5 months left

[ThomasS]

This car seems to blow a lot of smoke ? At least more than any other WRC car I've seen under acceleration

[GigiGalliNo1]

Oil consumption with the smoke... my VW Polo GTI does this and I know other VW GTI/R models do the same... chews A LOT of oil.... it's a European thing haha :D

[dimviii]

at full chat there is black smoke,which is not problem(can easily tweeked by the programmer) but we saw also blue smoke at gearchanges,probably turbo,but can be other reasons.

[jbmarcus21]

Full gallery [PHOTOS] and [VIDEO] about this Test Days Hyundai
Hyundaï teste sa i20wrc une semaine sur asphalte ! (http://planetemarcus.com/hyundai-teste-sa-i20wrc-une-semaine-sur-asphalte/)

[OnlyRally]

S2000 cars at "Rallye du Gap" looks faster than the Hyundai on tarmac!

youtube.com/watch?v=SpNViMVirRQ#at=190

[Mirek]

The engine supplier for Hyundai is Pipo Moteurs, same as for M-Sport and for Peugeot in the past. They are pretty good, so I'm not that much afraid about the engine. Probably they just haven't had the engine ready yet.

[Andre Oliveira]

I like the way that people uses, see 2 or 3 videos and the car is crap. Where the members who said that VW was slow on tests?

[dimviii]

I like the way that people uses, see 2 or 3 videos and the car is crap. Where the members who said that VW was slow on tests?

yes last years tests at Germany were slow.

[rallyfun]

I like the way that people uses, see 2 or 3 videos and the car is crap. Where the members who said that VW was slow on tests?

Good point, judging someone's speed by watching youtube without comparing times... genius :)

[Mirek]

You don't need to be genius to see really big differences but You must be blind not to see them.

[OnlyRally]

I like the way that people uses, see 2 or 3 videos and the car is crap. Where the members who said that VW was slow on tests?

Didn't mean the car was crap, just mentioned it didn't look as fast as a s2000 on tarmac right now, but i think they are on the way to be fast in the future!

[Rallyper]

Can anyone tell if they even uses turbo on the current testcar. IMHO it doesn´t sound like that, more like S2000.

[ThomasS]

Good point, judging someone's speed by watching youtube without comparing times... genius :)

Exactly , its more pompous speculation from a bunch of arm chair experts.

[NxOxT]

I cannot see what harm it does to comment on what you see on a video... i doubt the hyundai people will lose their sleep over it.

[ThomasS]

I cannot see what harm it does to comment on what you see on a video... i doubt the hyundai people will lose their sleep over it.

Agreed , the project has a long way to go and its early days. So it might be best to give posters who are more circumspect about Hyundai's efforts a break without shooting them down with comments about how blind they are not to see how slow the car is.

Don't know about you but I believe everything I see or read on the internet...

[rallyfun]

You don't need to be genius to see really big differences but You must be blind not to see them.

We are talking about speed/time difference and if you can tell that split seconds difference just from watching random youtube videos from different tests you are a genius. But everything looks so easy from behind the screen I guess. By the way can you tell from that test what is the difference or how far behind VW is Hyundai per km?

[tommeke_B]

We are talking about speed/time difference and if you can tell that split seconds difference just from watching random youtube videos from different tests you are a genius. But everything looks so easy from behind the screen I guess. By the way can you tell from that test what is the difference or how far behind VW is Hyundai per km?

Who was talking about a split second difference here?? I can't find it... Some people just said (in other words) "the engine doesn't look right", "the chassis doesn't look like it's there yet", "they still have a long way to go", which is all correct and visible on videos. And most people (including me) said: "too early to Judge." ;)

[Mirek]

We are talking about speed/time difference and if you can tell that split seconds difference just from watching random youtube videos from different tests you are a genius. But everything looks so easy from behind the screen I guess. By the way can you tell from that test what is the difference or how far behind VW is Hyundai per km?

I have never said anything about s/km and I can't see anybody doing that in this thread.

[Francis44]

VW Polo WRC looked slow at first aswell, we have to understand this is different aproach. I certainly dont expect Hyundai to have the same performance from the go as VW, it's plausible to think most of the development will be done next year on the championship stages, after all this is a long term commitment.

[ThomasS]

I have never said anything about s/km and I can't see anybody doing that in this thread.

What are you saying then ? Are the speed differences blindingly obvious or is it too early to judge ?

You can't have it both ways.

[ThomasS]

VW Polo WRC looked slow at first aswell, we have to understand this is different aproach. I certainly dont expect Hyundai to have the same performance from the go as VW, it's plausible to think most of the development will be done next year on the championship stages, after all this is a long term commitment.

True.

Hyundai's project is apples and oranges compared to the VW effort.

The development of the car can't be compared in the context of VW's development schedule.

[noel157]

What are you saying then ? Are the speed differences blindingly obvious or is it too early to judge ?

You can't have it both ways.

So, from the clips you've seen does the Hyundai look fast, slow, not very quick, slower than a donkey or what?

[ThomasS]

So, from the clips you've seen does the Hyundai look fast, slow, not very quick, slower than a donkey or what?

No I'm asking the question cuz...

As I said earlier , the project is in its early days and its got a long way to go. You can infer what you like from that but I would have thought it would be obvious , genius.

[RS]

I am out of touch on this; are Hyundai planning to debut on Monte Carlo next year and do a full season 2014?

[pantealex]

I am out of touch on this; are Hyundai planning to debut on Monte Carlo next year and do a full season 2014?
YES!

[OnlyRally]

Hyundai trouble on tests




Korean Hyundai Motorsport team in France held its first asphalt test session, which lasted for five days - Monday to Friday (from 12 to 16 August) ...

However, the Korean new team can be called only conditionally - though it is the automaker from Korea, but is based in Germany, as in most of the key leadership positions Hyundai Motorsport French are led by the Monegasque Michel Nandan.

Asphalt tests took place in the department of Haute-Saone (east of France), where pilots of the team had to work out five days to get an idea of ​​the possibilities and shortcomings of Hyundai i20 WRC on this surface. First prototype already ran in the asphalt, but it happened on the racetrack Circuit de Chambley. Now it was to test the car on the high-grade asphalt special stages that ran along the roads.




Behind the wheel of a new car in turn worked Frenchman Brian Bouffier and Finn Juho Hanninen. Races themselves were quite unevenly - Monday Hyundai i20 WRC almost did not show up at the track. On Tuesday morning Bouffier made a few races, but in the second half of the day ran into technical problems. After that sat behind the wheel of a prototype Hanninen, who on Thursday also faced with malfunctions - faulty engine.

Many representatives of the automotive and motorsports media present at the tests, together noted that Hyundai i20 WRC is still very "raw" car. First, noticeably enough power and speakers. Second, it was clear that suspension has not really brought to mind - there is a strong body roll in cornering on uneven buildup. In addition, the car not too confidently holds the trajectory periodically "floats" with the path.




Apparently, such a behavior of the machine is largely due to the fact that the current version of the i20 WRC prepared on the basis of chassis developed by local engineers in Korea Hyundai, have no experience with racing technology. Not for nothing Hyundai Motorsport chief Michel Nandan mentioned that 2015 should be prepared completely new version of i20 WRC. It seems that now the team has to work in two directions - somehow bring to mind the existing structure in order to spend time with her first season in the WRC, and in parallel to re-develop a new rally car in 2015.

At Hyundai Motorsport clearly decided not to "reinvent the wheel", and specifically to work with proven technical partners. As it became known to work to optimize the suspension Hyundai i20 WRC conducted jointly with the engineers Reiger - the company has long worked with M-Sport (current rally version of the Ford Fiesta equipped with shock absorbers Reiger). Preparing the engine entrusted the French firm Pipo Moteur, which since 2006 has been the official minder M-Sport in the rally, and before preparing engines for factory rally team Peugeot (for 206 and 307 WRC WRC).

Quoted and google translated from almrally.ru

[OnlyRally]

Hyundai working late nights

Hyundai Motorsport chief Michel Nandan has confirmed to iRally that the pressures of developing a team in less than 18 months means that the team will have to complete its development of the i20 WRC car on the stages of the 2014 FIA World Rally Championship.

Nandan - who's been in the job for less than 9 months - admits the pressure is intense and the hours long as he and his team try to test, and to complete the necessary i20 WRC homologation dossier for the FIA - it needs to be finished in the next few weeks.

Some of the equipment for the new Alzenau facility on the outskirts of Frankfurt is still to be delivered, and he's still hiring people:

"Doing everything together is not so easy and for sure it is not the best condition.... the 2014 season will be for us following the testing of the i20. It will be a good learning year for us!"

Bryan Bouffier, Juho Hänninen and Chris Atkinson are the test drivers: Nandan says it will be a 2-car team and he'll decide in the coming weeks:

"Things will be decided by let's say end of September, well October. We are still considering different options and - well I think we need a bit of time to make the best decision for Hyundai..."

Nandan also confirmed to iRally than a planned new model of the i20 road car means that the rally car will face a further evolution for 2015 to match what will be in the showrooms.

Quoted from irallylive.com

[dimviii]

Quoted and google translated from almrally.ru

so some guys here are genious,or some else haven t got a clue from what they watch.

[tommeke_B]

so some guys here are genious,or some else haven t got a clue from what they watch.

Or some disagree just to disagree?

[[WRCRR]]

Hyundai really should have let the motorsport arm to develop the car from the get go, but I guess there just wasn't enough time. The timetable for the project is too tight, they should start only in 2015. Especially with VW now involved in rallying, the bar has been lifted and even Citroën is struggling to cope with the level required.

2014 will be a development season for sure, and looks like the 2015 car will be totally different. In my mind it would be good if they just keep Hänninen and Bouffier for 2014, as they are good developers...no sense in putting any young gun into the car for 2014. Then for 2015 go for full attack.

[RS]

YES!

Oh! They haven't got very long...

[RS]

Can anyone tell if they even uses turbo on the current testcar. IMHO it doesn´t sound like that, more like S2000.

It sounds better than a Fiesta WRC at least, which I am quite surprised about because Pipo engines usually sound boring.

[Mirek]

...because Pipo engines usually sound boring.

As the most boring of them - the 306 Maxi (sorry, I couldn't resist :D )

[rallyfun]

So, from the clips you've seen does the Hyundai look fast, slow, not very quick, slower than a donkey or what?

Looks as any of WRC while testing, how can you tell whether is slow or fast if you don't know the speed, length of the test stage and the stage time? Based on that how can you tell it looks slower or faster than other cars?

[Mirek]

Looks as any of WRC while testing, how can you tell whether is slow or fast if you don't know the speed, length of the test stage and the stage time? Based on that how can you tell it looks slower or faster than other cars?

No. If You have ever seen a WRC car few times You must see that this car in shape it is now is slow. If You don't see that You either don't want to see that or You are blind. Sorry.

That all still doesn't mean it will stay slow and nobody is claiming that. We don't know the whole story and we shall not overestimate test footage but that doesn't change anything on clear facts. There is absolutely no reason to twist them. What is it good for to pretend I'm amazed by the footage when there is nothing amazing in it? The only correct way is to look on things as realistic as one can do because that's the only way to learn something.

[RS]

As the most boring of them - the 306 Maxi (sorry, I couldn't resist :D )

I should have known someone would mention that :p

I meant Pipo turbo engines.

[David Murphy]

I'd say that Hyundai will be competitive form day one like the VW Polo WRC

[rallyfun]

No. If You have ever seen a WRC car few times You must see that this car in shape it is now is slow. If You don't see that You either don't want to see that or You are blind. Sorry.

That all still doesn't mean it will stay slow and nobody is claiming that. We don't know the whole story and we shall not overestimate test footage but that doesn't change anything on clear facts. There is absolutely no reason to twist them. What is it good for to pretend I'm amazed by the footage when there is nothing amazing in it? The only correct way is to look on things as realistic as one can do because that's the only way to learn something.

Your posts are full of contradiction. Just let you know I have been watching WRC cars live on rallies not on youtube for years, if I have no timing from test or stages and any reference car I am not able to judge if the car is fast or slow, it is simple as that. On stages I can only assume that one car or driver is probably faster than other by watching breaking points and gear change, that's it, otherwise I need to see time. It is You who twist facts if you claim the car is slow, how did you find that out? Any data? Speed, times, comparison to other cars or what?

[wrc1600]

It's funny why WRC teams invest so much in high-spec equipment and top engineers while some forum members can come to conclusion just by watching youtube :)

[Mirek]

Your posts are full of contradiction. Just let you know I have been watching WRC cars live on rallies not on youtube for years, if I have no timing from test or stages and any reference car I am not able to judge if the car is fast or slow, it is simple as that. On stages I can only assume that one car or driver is probably faster than other by watching breaking points and gear change, that's it, otherwise I need to see time. It is You who twist facts if you claim the car is slow, how did you find that out? Any data? Speed, times, comparison to other cars or what?

Don't be silly. I understand You can't see if for example JML is faster than Ogier in NORF just from watching but You must see that both are faster than let's say Prokop. You can't be 100% sure that Polo of Ogier is faster than DS3 of Mikko but You must be sure even from watching that both are faster than was the Mini of Kosciuszko. If you have some experience You must see that clearly, don't You?

We don't speak about judging some tiny margin like 0,1 s/km or something similar. We speak about clear big differences. If You don't see that in the videos of Hyundai, You are blind no matter Your experience. Sorry for being harsh but it's like that.

And again I want to repeat that I have never said it would stay slow in the future. I have even commented that I'm fully confident with Pipo Moteur engine. You can find it two pages back. I'm only defending the statement that the car in recent test videos is slower than existing WRC cars because it is.


It's funny why WRC teams invest so much in high-spec equipment and top engineers while some forum members can come to conclusion just by watching youtube :)

The high-tech equipment and top engineers are not there to find the obvious. They are not there to see that a car in some stage of development is let's say 2 s/km slower than others (just example!). They are there to find WHY and WHAT shall be done to make it better.

[tommeke_B]

@rallyfun, it's not because you can't see the difference, that others can't. Unlike Mirek I don't believe it has something to do with being blind, you just need to be interested in the mechanical side of it. If you don't know how a car works, you can't expect to see the differences. Maybe you're just not interested in the technical side at all? Did you ever go and watch a test? IF you never did, I surely recommend you to do that in the future. :) It's always nice to see changes/differences on the car during the test.

[rallyfun]

@rallyfun, it's not because you can't see the difference, that others can't. Unlike Mirek I don't believe it has something to do with being blind, you just need to be interested in the mechanical side of it. If you don't know how a car works, you can't expect to see the differences. Maybe you're just not interested in the technical side at all? Did you ever go and watch a test? IF you never did, I surely recommend you to do that in the future. :) It's always nice to see changes/differences on the car during the test.

I have seen pretty much everything about WRC rallies. All I have asked was how on earth can you tell from youtube clip the car looks slow if you don't have reference. I even ask some specific questions but no one bothered to answer ( I guess they don't have answer), instead I have got some aggressive and abusive replies. What do you mean by "look slow" if you watch just one car and when would you say it's fast? What do you compare this speed to? I guess it's not fastest as any other car at this stage of development and that's that.

[rallyfun]

Don't be silly. I understand You can't see if for example JML is faster than Ogier in NORF just from watching but You must see that both are faster than let's say Prokop. You can't be 100% sure that Polo of Ogier is faster than DS3 of Mikko but You must be sure even from watching that both are faster than was the Mini of Kosciuszko. If you have some experience You must see that clearly, don't You?

We don't speak about judging some tiny margin like 0,1 s/km or something similar. We speak about clear big differences. If You don't see that in the videos of Hyundai, You are blind no matter Your experience. Sorry for being harsh but it's like that.

And again I want to repeat that I have never said it would stay slow in the future. I have even commented that I'm fully confident with Pipo Moteur engine. You can find it two pages back. I'm only defending the statement that the car in recent test videos is slower than existing WRC cars because it is.



The high-tech equipment and top engineers are not there to find the obvious. They are not there to see that a car in some stage of development is let's say 2 s/km slower than others (just example!). They are there to find WHY and WHAT shall be done to make it better.

I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.

[Rallyper]

I can tell. I know what Mirek means.

It´s more than a feeling. You just see it on the videos. As I said before the engine seemed to be in another mood than a proper WRC-car. The handling of the car wasn´t similar to what we´ve seen during the past two tears of 1,6 WRC-cars in competition.

And that is what has been confirmed by the journalists reporting from Mr Nandan´s commentarys after testing.

Blind or not. We are a lot of viewers doing the conclusions that I20 is still having a long way to go. Hope it ends well.

[Mirek]

I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

[tommeke_B]

My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

LOL! :p The size of their hands give it away Mirek ;) :D

[EightGear]

How do you know that Tom?

[tommeke_B]

How do you know that Tom?

A Dutch TV program that suddenly appeared on my tv-screen while zapping. :p

[stefanvv]

My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

It's funny that you mention it. This is almost Korea

[Mirek]

This is almost KoreaI didn't know I was almost from Greenland or Iran :D

[stefanvv]

In general I agree that Hyunday has long way to go though. Looks like there is lot of work for the engine and drivetrain

[stefanvv]

I didn't know I was almost from Greenland or Iran :D

This is better than almost from Mars :D But not for the Marsians

[Andre Oliveira]

I think that 2014 should be viewed like 2 rallyes on 2007 of Suzuki, and the Skoda rallyes of VW last year. 2015 with experience and the JOKER Homologation (people don't give value to this, but for me is very very important), would be the best time to evaluations.

[rallyfun]

My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

You didn't answer any of my questions. So don't call me or any one else blind or silly if can't do that simple thing.

[ThomasS]

I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.

Well I guess I'm the same.


What analysis can the member from Bohemia give us about the the you tube clips he has seen ?


I'll admit the car doesn't look that flash at the moment , but hey what do I know , I couldn't tell you why and I'm no expert. I don't have a point of reference and I haven't seen any test footage from any other manufactures test. But the member from Bohemia clearly has so I'd like hear his views on whatever he thinks is "obvious "?


From my point of view I don't know how you can tell anything from these ****ty highly compressed Youtube clips that are shot on crappy consumer camera's that are cursed with all sorts of video artefacts like CMOS skew , wobble and bad sound.


I suspect if the member was in Thailand he couldn't tell Ass from Quim in the dark or maybe he prefers his ladies with a cock ?

[tommeke_B]

From my point of view I don't know how you can tell anything from these ****ty highly compressed Youtube clips that are shot on crappy consumer camera's that are cursed with all sorts of video artefacts like CMOS skew , wobble and bad sound.


I suspect if the member was in Thailand he couldn't tell Ass from Quim in the dark or maybe he prefers his ladies with a cock ?
Very disrespectful to the people who made the videos IMO, those are the people who make it possible for you to see some footage from rallying, something the current WRC-"promotor" doesn't provide... Also not much respect to the forum member from Bohemia, you are referring to. But okay, I often link a lack of respect (in general) and certain use of words (especially if English is your first language, isn't it?) to less intelligent people. So it fits the picture... But like said before, some people disagree just to disagree (especially if their mind can't handle it).

Ignore list +1 :)

[ThomasS]

Very disrespectful to the people who made the videos IMO, those are the people who make it possible for you to see some footage from rallying, something the current WRC-"promotor" doesn't provide... Also not much respect to the forum member from Bohemia, you are referring to. But okay, I often link a lack of respect (in general) and certain use of words (especially if English is your first language, isn't it?) to less intelligent people. So it fits the picture... But like said before, some people disagree just to disagree (especially if their mind can't handle it).

Ignore list +1 :)

Stop being a sycophant , let him answer the question.

I'm not disrespecting those who send clips in , I enjoy watching them. I'm just saying that on the whole they look awfully shot and captured and I don't think they provide the best basis on which to make any useful comments about the car other than idle speculation.

[NxOxT]

too much talk over some videos...the car looks slow...end of story.

[danon]

Video Frame Rate Comparison - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54Q1KXRmX0)

[ThomasS]

too much talk over some videos...the car looks slow...end of story.

But why my good man ?

It looks faster than my aunts pink Hyundai , she's a hairdresser.

Maybe they should paint it red, that will make it go faster.

If someone could give some informed reason on why it looks slow without the barbed attitude to my ignorance I'd be very interested.

[noel157]

Well, (and Rallyfun) looks like nobody can or wants to address your questions, so can you just leave it? This is a forum, it's full of opinions. If you disagree or agree, fine. Say it once and leave it at that. All this argumentative BS does nothing for this forum. If these shaky, wobbly video clips are not good enough for you, simple, don't watch them.

We've got a rally to follow tomorrow, serious business :)

[Toyoda]

Why?

The engine doesn't rev as high
The engine doesn't kick like a turbo in the VW
The engine doesn't pick up as fast
The suspension doesn't look as rigid
The driver looks like he is not confident in the car

But
We have no reference- No known car on the same stretch of road under the same test conditions

Its a fun talking point, why else do we have a forum, to observe, comment, inform, argue and generally have a good robust conversation about a sport we love.

Its just mean to have actual footage of Hyundai finally

[ThomasS]

Finally an opinion without any attitude , nice one !

[Rallyper]

Juho seems ready for Huyndai next yr, after hearing team boss on WRC.com...

Reading between lines that is.

[Rallying UK]

HYUNDAI WRC:


Here’s the full story, in photos and video, of the development of the Hyundai i20 WRC:


HYUNDAI i20 WRC IN PICTURES (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify (http://bit.ly/18uTuVi)



Here are the best videos and photos from the recent Hyundai i20 WRC tests in France in one interactive image:


Hyundai i20 WRC: July / August 2013 tests - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/17MS5qF)

[NxOxT]

Your website doesn't contain anything that it cannot be found in here long before you post them.....please stop now.

[Rallying UK]

They're all in one convenient place so members can enjoy them once again :-)

[ThomasS]

Yeah thanks for that , don't know about the rest of you but I don't have time or the inclination to trawl through hundreds of posts. He's just being a tosser for some reason...

[navtheace]

Who is the main man in charge of Hyundai WRC in Germany.

Are they near the Nurburgring location for Hyundai's tech centre?

[Mirek]

The boss is Michel Nandan. The facility is in Alzenau, it's 200 km from Nürburgring.

[navtheace]

The boss is Michel Nandan. The facility is in Alzenau, it's 200 km from Nürburgring.

Thanks, looks like this is the official Facebook page for them? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hyundai-Motorsport-Gmbh/135292769963746

Have they set up an official website yet?

[NxOxT]

Yeah thanks for that , don't know about the rest of you but I don't have time or the inclination to trawl through hundreds of posts. He's just being a tosser for some reason...

bookmark the website then and visit it daily... instead of waiting for the continuous spam on each thread...

[[WRCRR]]

bookmark the website then and visit it daily... instead of waiting for the continuous spam on each thread...

Aren't you supposed to be banned...?

[gabryere]

me like this car, hyundai is doing a good job... Hopefully that is fast and winning

[NxOxT]

yes ...contact the mods

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXoNl9tc-E0

Discussion of how slow it is in 3...2..1. ;)

[Rallyper]

Oh, mi o mine. That was different sound from engine. Looks really good!!!

[Andre Oliveira]

Another one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBASk7bddCo

[TheFlyingTuga]

Now, that looks and sounds like a proper WRC car! New bodywork on the back as well, seems closer to VW design!

[dimviii]

new rear fenders now.

[TheFlyingTuga]

And from the videos looks like the front bumper it's... cleaner and the hood seems not to have the air intake no more

[Rallyper]

Suspension travel is good too.

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBASk7bddCo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmBASk7bddCo

[Andre Oliveira]

Hyundai i 20 wrc test in Finland - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBASk7bddCo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmBASk7bddCo)

Again? :)


Another one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBASk7bddCo

[NxOxT]

looks better now...but the video doesn't show the important stuff like the acceleration after cornering or the body movement during cornering which are the important stuff and in which the car seemed to lack during the asfalt tests....but the fact they test a lot is positive... if they invest money all they need are the right people and you cannot go wrong most of the times.

[stefanvv]

^^ Good point. It can be in the air sideways. It's looks good enough so far

[Andre Oliveira]

Source (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=570535356336689&set=a.256289554427939.67120.246082642115297&type=1&theater)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1237900_570535356336689_1134423470_n.jpg

[Rallyper]

A competitive car needs a competitive driver or drivers.

For sure Juho will be there, and I have a thought by now that we´ll see Petter in a Huyndai next year as well. That´s my feeling right now. Maybe wishful thinking but he will be a good measure against the other top 5-6 fastest drivers.

[HarriK]

one more:
Hyundai i20 wrc on Finnish gravel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPj45s6BOoQ)

[dimviii]

also front wings changed to square style like polo.
waiting for a better video.

[TheFlyingTuga]

also front wings changed to square style like polo.
waiting for a better video.

I think they already did in the prototype that they've showed in Geneva

[dimviii]

I think they already did in the prototype that they've showed in Geneva

you are right about the front wings.Rear ones seems to be the new ones
Hyundai i20 WRC rally car at Geneva Motor Show 2013 - horsepower specs Pro ceed WRC GT rallye - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0H_ddZFFcI)

[Toyoda]

Looks like the suspension is bouncing on landing, needs better damping?....which was what set VW apart in finland...

Also you would think the first thing they would do would be buy a WRC Fiesta off Msport and copy it/improve it, Wonder if they did...?

Edit...maybe i'm wrong on the suspension?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Again? :)

Sorry, i posted on my iphone and didn't see the video. The screen grab before video plays was different to the forums. SORRY!

[andyone]

new rear fenders now.
you got eyes of an Eagle man.. quick to notice..

[andyone]

Sorry, i posted on my iphone and didn't see the video. The screen grab before video plays was different to the forums. SORRY!
get your self an Android my friend.. :D

[Andre Oliveira]

I have an Iphone too. For me it is better than on the laptop ;)

[Hartusvuori]

YLE news video from Hyundai tests: Hänninen kärkkyy kisakuljettajan paikkaa - katso video | Yle Urheilu | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/urheilu/hanninen_karkkyy_kisakuljettajan_paikkaa_-_katso_video/6797102?origin=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Hänninen says he aims to get the drive, but refers in his dry sense of humor how the team bosses have a luxury problem as everyone who have sometimes had a rally license had call them already. He concentrates to testing now, praises the team personal, also for the fact they listen to and react to his suggestions and ideas. They develop the car to go nose first. Finnish tests continue until Friday. After that Hänninen alone have around 20 test days left. Team's annual budget is said to be 80 million euros. There's short interview with Nandan as well.

[Rallyper]

YLE news video from Hyundai tests: Hänninen kärkkyy kisakuljettajan paikkaa - katso video | Yle Urheilu | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/urheilu/hanninen_karkkyy_kisakuljettajan_paikkaa_-_katso_video/6797102?origin=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Hänninen says he aims to get the drive, but refers in his dry sense of humor how the team bosses have a luxury problem as everyone who have sometimes had a rally license had call them already. He concentrates to testing now, praises the team personal, also for the fact they listen to and react to his suggestions and ideas. They develop the car to go nose first. Finnish tests continue until Friday. After that Hänninen alone have around 20 test days left. Team's annual budget is said to be 80 million euros. There's short interview with Nandan as well.

So that must be a bonus for Juho, the lot of testing. He´s a well deserved driver in the team next year.

Besides that I above mentioned Petter which I strongly believe will contribute to the team. Maybe a third Nordic driver would siut the team? PT, and we have a setup like VW, with youngster beside the more experienced ones.

[adr17]

Looks like the suspension is bouncing on landing, needs better damping?....which was what set VW apart in finland...

Also you would think the first thing they would do would be buy a WRC Fiesta off Msport and copy it/improve it, Wonder if they did...?

Edit...maybe i'm wrong on the suspension?


stohl racing fiesta wrc disappeared in germany for a while

[Miika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpff5jDjJ0

[AdvEvo]

Please build a road going street version of it like the mitsubishi evo rs types. 300hp 4wd with nice mechanical diffs and wide body. This could be a nice image builder for the brand. A fwd polo like vw is a no go that brings nothing.

they can have my deposit already.

[Hartusvuori]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSvrATACIAEstgM.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSvqjVyCYAAXLxY.jpg:large

Side view. Photos by Krisse Sohlberg.

[navtheace]

Please build a road going street version of it like the mitsubishi evo rs types. 300hp 4wd with nice mechanical diffs and wide body. This could be a nice image builder for the brand. A fwd polo like vw is a no go that brings nothing.

they can have my deposit already.

It wont happen until the rules from the FIA require the bodywork and driven wheels on the rally car match the homologated road car. aka GpA and GpN style.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1185871_10151912294753083_1008259395_n.jpg

[OnlyRally]

Please build a road going street version of it like the mitsubishi evo rs types. 300hp 4wd with nice mechanical diffs and wide body. This could be a nice image builder for the brand. A fwd polo like vw is a no go that brings nothing.

they can have my deposit already.

+1

[jbmarcus21]

Hyundai Test Days Finland Hyundaï teste sa i20Wrc sur les bosses en Finlande ! (http://planetemarcus.com/hyundai-teste-sa-i20wrc-sur-les-bosses-en-finlande/)

[makinen_fan]

Interesting video comparing the Polo and i20 on the same roads. Quality in not great though


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kONUWfjlOhU

[NxOxT]

LOL...

[A.F.F.]

If Hyundai has 80 million to spare, why not three drivers? Two good ones and Mikko?

[EightGear]

Two good ones and Mikko?

:D


But I agree, hopefully they will add a 3rd car later or maybe in 2015.

[Hartusvuori]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Hyundai%20test%2028.8.2013/_MG_2516.JPG?img=small

My friend's pictures from Hyundai's tests today: Hyundai test 28.8.2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Hyundai+test+28.8.2013/)

[dimviii]

nice photos! but not a rear one, to see the double aerofoil ds3 like.


@NOT
why lol? its not bad considering they are at first tests.

[COD]

They said that is only one built yet, so they don't use full power to make sure it doesn't brake.

Is the Polo comparison from this year or 2012? Fair comparison would be from 2012. It (Polo) didn't look that great then if my memry serves me right...

[Hartusvuori]

Is the Polo comparison from this year or 2012? Fair comparison would be from 2012. It (Polo) didn't look that great then if my memry serves me right...

Polo comparison is from first set of last summers tests (June 2012), I think. For pre-NORF tests they had livery.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rosales Racing twitter (https://twitter.com/RosalesRacing/status/372811770517151744/photo/1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSx-VH4CYAAoqFs.jpg:large

[dimviii]

any news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APMvZbTxsFA

[HarriK]

dimvii wake up! :D

post #861:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/154965-hyundai-i20-wrc-44.html#post1156391

[dimviii]

dimvii wake up! :D

post #861:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/154965-hyundai-i20-wrc-44.html#post1156391
i couldnt see that video at post 861.

[Hartusvuori]

http://uge.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ralli/Hyundai%20i20%20testit%20Suomessa%202013/Juhon%20testit%20Hyundai%20%2899%29.JPG?img=small

Nice positioning for the GoPro :-)

Here's new gallery: Hyundai i20 testit Suomessa 2013 (http://uge.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ralli/Hyundai+i20+testit+Suomessa+2013/)

[Juha_Koo]

My video from Hyundai's tests, enjoy! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN6bTOoR1Co

[tommeke_B]

Nice video Juha! That head at 1min55 looks familiar... :)

[Doon]

Nice video Juha! That head at 1min55 looks familiar... :)

Isn't it Marcus Gronholm?

[dimviii]

Thanks Juha! any details about tests?only Hanninen driving?

[Juha_Koo]

Nice video Juha! That head at 1min55 looks familiar... :)

Well that didn't take long, I thought it would have been taken a bit longer... :D :D Good eyesight ;)

[Doon]

Looks far quicker than the tarmac car.....but doesn't everything look fast in Finland?

If I were developing a new car, i'd find a driver with there own WRC car and make it fast than that. Who owns a new generation car? Did Solberg just rent his DS3?

[dimviii]

Isn't it Marcus Gronholm?

that i thought too

[Juha_Koo]

Thanks Juha! any details about tests?only Hanninen driving?

Yes, only Hänninen to my knowledge. I'll return tomorrow with some comments, unfortunately I have super-busy schedule for this afternoon/evening...

[dimviii]

take your time :p but want a good revue.

[Mintexmemory]

Did Solberg just rent his DS3?

Yes and that was the cause of a number of conspiracy theories - the power of the engine miraculously improving if ever Loeb was out of the running etc. Although, he was paying the bill the car was predominantly looked after by Citroen (presumably to prevent tech bleed)

[dimviii]

Yes and that was the cause of a number of conspiracy theories - the power of the engine miraculously improving if ever Loeb was out of the running etc. Although, he was paying the bill the car was predominantly looked after by Citroen (presumably to prevent tech bleed)

next year at Ford works team with ''healthy engine'' was better?

[makinen_fan]

I hope Hyundai retains the OZ style wheels. Those are legendary and make every single rally car look amazing, not like the s*** wheels used these days by teams.

[NxOxT]

next year at Ford works team with ''healthy engine'' was better?

If i were you i would stop having any further discussion about Loeb, the fact that he is retired and people still bother with him shows the magnitude of the psychological damage he has done to them all these years.... I know it is funny to bother with those haters because they always come with stupid excuses they make up from their heads each time but show mercy... their pain is still too big and it will remain for long long time.... maybe Loeb ridiculed their idol so bad that led them to retirement like a stray dog without an owner....

Let them be...feel sorry for them but let them be... the pain is enough for them.

[Hartusvuori]

NOT, you're warming up well, but not quite there yet...

[EightGear]

Interesting. Tomorrow Hyundai will test on the same road that Hanninen used to test his Fiesta before NORF, so they will get some kind of comparison.

[makinen_fan]

A lot more photos here:
2013-08-27-28 Hyundai WRC test - SpeedPix.ch - where SPEEEEED and PASSION meet ! (http://www.speedpix.ch/2013-08-27-28-hyundai-wrc-test/)

These caught my eye, the suspension struts are vertical, unlike the more recent WRC cars:

http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s9521b17be1bd6ed4/img/i7bc38415067f43d7/1377731114/std/image.jpg

http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s9521b17be1bd6ed4/img/i34545d75dde649e9/1377731114/std/image.jpg

http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s9521b17be1bd6ed4/img/i2dc19f2088708985/1377731114/std/image.jpg

[Doon]

Hyundai need to get their driver for 2014 in the car now. One of the reasons Ogier is so quick is because the car was build around him for 12 months before the start of 2013 season, and he put it through about 20k miles of testing perfecting it. So if Hanninen s doing all the gravel tests he should be one of the drivers as he'll be familiar with it. Even if they have their no 1 driver in the car for all of 2014, testing rules will limit how much time they have.

[tommeke_B]

Hyundai need to get their driver for 2014 in the car now. One of the reasons Ogier is so quick is because the car was build around him for 12 months before the start of 2013 season, and he put it through about 20k miles of testing perfecting it. So if Hanninen s doing all the gravel tests he should be one of the drivers as he'll be familiar with it. Even if they have their no 1 driver in the car for all of 2014, testing rules will limit how much time they have.

People here seem to forget that Hyundai is in the situation where VW was in 2011... ;) Next year their "learning car", if you can call it like that...

[Rallyper]

next year at Ford works team with ''healthy engine'' was better?

In a way yes. Remember Loutraki last year when he pressed Loeb until last stage... That´s one of many examples from last year, so I´m disposed to say he was more suited in Ford, however it´s not proved it was because of better engine.

[Hartusvuori]

Speedpix's Bruno's story here: Secret guest | Bruno's Blog (http://brunosblog.sporttimobiili.com/?p=3347)

Can someone tell from the picture where car is still which compound the Michelin's are?

[navtheace]

I think Hyundai will really get things sorted during 2014 with their rally programme. They have took an excellent step in locating in Germany, which allows them excellent access to motor sport in general, like parts, motor sport companies, people who will leave one motor sport firm and look for work with Hyundai etcetc

UK and Germany have always shown excellent world success with motor sport. Also I think the team will also adapt well to developing an R5 car also.

2014 will be an excellent 'test year' for their rallying.

[stefanvv]

If i were you i would stop having any further discussion about Loeb, the fact that he is retired and people still bother with him shows the magnitude of the psychological damage he has done to them all these years.... I know it is funny to bother with those haters because they always come with stupid excuses they make up from their heads each time but show mercy... their pain is still too big and it will remain for long long time.... maybe Loeb ridiculed their idol so bad that led them to retirement like a stray dog without an owner....

Let them be...feel sorry for them but let them be... the pain is enough for them.

It is no wonder every time Citroen is mentioned is it about Loeb, isn't it. All those years Citroen = Loeb, team mates are just shadows. It's funny because even this year when Loeb almost retires, everything in the team is around him, Hirvonen and Sordo are just pale shadows of HIM. Well may be they'll wake up from lethargy after Sordo's win, but who knows.

Anyway, enough about Loeb, this thread is about Hyunday - they seem to progress a little since their first test on asphalt. The car seems faster, the suspension is not bad, looks like there is serious work these months there. Thumbs up!

[dimviii]

In a way yes.

no it wasnt,thats why they choosed Novikov,Neuville over him.

[dimviii]

It is no wonder every time Citroen is mentioned is it about Loeb, isn't it. All those years Citroen = Loeb, team mates are just shadows. It's funny because even this year when Loeb almost retires, everything in the team is around him, Hirvonen and Sordo are just pale shadows of HIM. Well may be they'll wake up from lethargy after Sordo's win, but who knows.


it would be better to ask to wake up from lethargy Sordo and Mikko.

[Rallyper]

no it wasnt,thats why they choosed Novikov,Neuville over him.

Have they been so close to Seb (2) this year as Petter was last year with Seb (1)? And you haven´t mentioned Mads as well. No, I don´t think so. Engine or not.
That´s why I think Petter has an option to comeback in 2014 in a Hyundai.

[NxOxT]

Petter has nothing to offer to the sport anymore apart from his name... he cannot win anything.

[Andre Oliveira]

People here seem to forget that Hyundai is in the situation where VW was in 2011... ;) Next year their "learning car", if you can call it like that...

Exactly, with 2014 homologations jokers (Skoda Fabia VW's time to Hyundai ;) ) to use and 2015 new homologated car :)

[Rallyper]

Petter has nothing to offer to the sport anymore apart from his name... he cannot win anything.

Disagree. Look at Sordo. No one thought he´d ever win a rally. Now he did. Many things can still happen even for Petter, and as said before, besides Juho there´s need of one more driver with potential and starquality as well. Petter has both. I do think he has unfinished business in WRC. Hopefully at Huyndai.

[makinen_fan]

The problem with Petter is not that he is not fast enough to have good results.I believe he can be faster than Sordo, Mikko, Evgeny and maybe Ostberg but his target will be Ogier and JML, and he most likely bin it in his attempt to be faster than them.

[Hartusvuori]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1277741_630712700296374_789140770_o.jpg

Not exactly landing like a cat at the moment, but good for pictures. Photo from today by AKK Sports Ltd./Sami Kolsi.

[Rallyper]

The problem with Petter is not that he is not fast enough to have good results.I believe he can be faster than Sordo, Mikko, Evgeny and maybe Ostberg but his target will be Ogier and JML, and he most likely bin it in his attempt to be faster than them.

He just needs a boss who is strictly in his management.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1277741_630712700296374_789140770_o.jpg

Not exactly landing like a cat at the moment, but good for pictures. Photo from today by AKK Sports Ltd./Sami Kolsi.

excellent photo!!!!!!!!!!!

[mohit]

Petter deserves a chance.

He is fast no doubt he just needs to add consistency. Hope you all remember loeb said at beginning or 3rd leg in Greece last year that 'petter when on a crazy push can do a lot of damage'.

Any ways he deserves a complete chance.

[NxOxT]

Petter deserves a chance.

He is fast no doubt he just needs to add consistency. Hope you all remember loeb said at beginning or 3rd leg in Greece last year that 'petter when on a crazy push can do a lot of damage'.

Any ways he deserves a complete chance.

If he was good enough he could have a chance... VW did not pick him for a reason... He had many chances he proved nothing... bye bye rallying... welcome retirement home.

As for Greece when Solberg crashed Loeb was 1second ahead on the splits...

[focus206]

I really like Petter, but unfortunately he already got his chance, in 2012 with Ford... and it was a disastrous season for him, mistakes in basically almost every rally... in my opinion he deserved a chance after his privateer years, and he got it, but he wasted it... so I'm sorry myself, but I don't really see him back in WRC, I guess he would have another chance only if Hyundai would want a WRC veteran...

[andyone]

The problem with Petter is not that he is not fast enough to have good results.I believe he can be faster than Sordo, Mikko, Evgeny and maybe Ostberg but his target will be Ogier and JML, and he most likely bin it in his attempt to be faster than them.
how much time does a driver need to learn? for petters age. he cannot be faster than he has been new comers come and become faster than him. and that is what they look to compare. sordo and mikko are younger than petter so maybe they will learn

[mohit]

Every ones got there own theories and i respect everyone's view points. But think again about mistakes made by other drivers besides petter.

He is popular that is why people talk about him and like to talk about him and because of this popularity his mistakes get highlighted faster.

So.........

[HarriK]

My photos from Hyundai (Hänninen&Tuominen) test today:
http://harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2013/Hyundai_test_Vaheri_HanninenTuominen/IMG_5857_Copy.JPG?img=img1280
http://harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2013/Hyundai_test_Vaheri_HanninenTuominen/IMG_5786.JPG?img=img1280

http://harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2013/Hyundai_test_Vaheri_HanninenTuominen/IMG_5841_Copy.JPG?img=img1280

more :
http://harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2013/Hyundai_test_Vaheri_HanninenTuominen/

[Barreis]

Well, if we start to talk about Latvala's mistakes, that guy had to be fired long time ago...

[HarriK]

Some thoughts of Hyundai Vaheri tests:
I was exactly in same place than JML test to Norf this year. JML had half day "problem" when car jumped and landed at the rear wheels.
Same today with Hyundai. They had changed rear wing (I was told) and maybe this was the reason for landing like that.
Also some lack of power and much more lack top speed in my eyes. :rolleyes:

[makinen_fan]

It seems they have the double wing in your photos compared to yesterdays where they used the single flat wing

[HarriK]

It seems they have the double wing in your photos compared to yesterdays where they used the single flat wing

Yes, they used it at morning and changed in half day. Also they made some tests with plates in the end of that double wing.

[HarriK]

I'm not sure if you can see this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151795337187829&set=vb.583557828&type=2&theater

[stefanvv]

I'm not facebook member and saw it

[HarriK]

I'm not facebook member and saw it

good :) There is several videos. Press previous or next up corner of the video.

edit: note also that you can watch full size photos from my gallery. Just go also top upper right corner of the photo and there is several zooming options.

[noel157]

Petter deserves a chance.

He is fast no doubt he just needs to add consistency. Hope you all remember loeb said at beginning or 3rd leg in Greece last year that 'petter when on a crazy push can do a lot of damage'.

Any ways he deserves a complete chance.

Hi Mohit, I'm sure you're decent guy and I just did a "view forum posts" on you profile. 19 posts since you joined and guess what every single post is about? Sure, we all have our favourite drivers but most of us do talk about others things in the world of rallying. So come on, get involved! :)

[danon]

Every ones got there own theories and i respect everyone's view points. But think again about mistakes made by other drivers besides petter.

He is popular that is why people talk about him and like to talk about him and because of this popularity his mistakes get highlighted faster.

So.........

... call it a day.

Mr Hollywood is a watched movie/sung song no one wants to see/listen to it again.
Sad, I know, but inevitable. We all gotta deal with it sooner or later in our lifetime.

But - his time is far from over yet.

He can make a champ "giving away" all the experience gathered over the years
to the eager young gun/s and so to live it all over again in a different way.

But few are destined to do so...

P.S. I like Petter Solberg and I will never forget the vid bellow...

Mr HOLLYWOOD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBsN__InFOU)

[Plan9]

After listening to this (below) I am starting to think Mikko or Atko could get the drive. I am not so certain of Juho or Bryan anymore. What do you guys think?

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - Podcasts - Hyundai test tarmac (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/podcasts/hyundai-test-tarmac/?fid=18952)

[Rallyper]

This is funny. Guys here rejecting Petter think Atko can be the man... Come on!

[Juha_Koo]

Okay, so some small comments about the car from my point of view...

I was present at the tests on Tuesday and Wednesday. The overall impression for me was positive. The car appeared to be stable and the overall "dynamics" seemed balanced. No over- or understeer, it was clear Hänninen didn't need to fight with the car. The sound of the engine changed often, especially the bangs. Few times the runs were stopped and the car returned to service on normal speed. The suspension appeared to be quite soft, on certain jumps the travel felt like it was not enough, but this was not because of "Mini-style" short travel, but because of the softness.

In my opinion, the biggest difference to other current WRCs was that Hyundai didn't appear to be in such a good "connection" to the road. It seemed to slide a bit more than other cars - I don't mean under- or oversteer but the overall grip. At certain places it seemed to "float" on top of the road and it sounded like Hänninen needed to use higher revs than what in other WRCs during semi-slow corners (to get an idea of what I mean, think about a tight moment where driver uses higher revs to save the situation with a big slide) - but it's difficult to say was this because of the engine or suspension. This was evident on Tuesday but it really got better on Wednesday.

I'd say they have a good base on what to build. :up: It was clearly much better than what it looked like in French tarmac test videos.

[kober]

What tire compound do they use for testing?

[HarriK]

What tire compound do they use for testing?

regular WRC softer and harder. Not sure exactly which ones in where stages.

[Hartusvuori]

Looks like Atkinson was planned to test in Finland last week, but he had similar obligations as did Eyving Brynildsen the week before:


Chris Atkinson ‏@ChrisAtko (https://twitter.com/ChrisAtko) 40m (https://twitter.com/ChrisAtko/status/374819126717337600) Shame to have to miss testing the i20 WRC in Finland! But the ATKO's got to welcome Lyla Josephine Atkinson into the world. #newaddition (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23newaddition&src=hash)

[Kielder]

Hyundai i20 WRC first Tarmac test (official video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsmBPolevbQ&feature=youtu.be&a

[noel157]

Hyundai Motorsport go all Twittery...

Hyundai Motorsport ?@HyundaiWRC 1h
Welcome to Hyundai Motorsport official Twitter account! Stay tuned for the all the latest news and updates! #WRC

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9RaW1dW1wc

[makinen_fan]

Also it seems Hyundai may use Pirelli next year, look at this promo poster
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1234670_544740478935797_776030217_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Also it seems Hyundai may use Pirelli next year, look at this promo poster
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1234670_544740478935797_776030217_n.jpg

hauk eye :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Rumours about Hirvonen on Hyundai. For me is good choice for both.

[uranium]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/09/16/citroen-team-veraendert-sein-gesicht/index.html)

[NxOxT]

Yes Hirvonen at hyundai is a good choice indeed for everyone.

[dimviii]

Yes Hirvonen at hyundai is a good choice indeed for everyone.

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.

[Eli]

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.[/quote]
and could be pushing Sordo to his limits (if Matton decides to keep him)...

[Rallyper]

Yes Hirvonen at hyundai is a good choice indeed for everyone.

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.

Very possible Neuville to Citroen. Only thing is his uncertainty of how the handling of the car responses to his driving style. He obviously had good care of the Fiesta...

[A FONDO]

Yes Hirvonen at hyundai is a good choice indeed for everyone.

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.
citroen is not the center of the universe

[dimviii]

Yes Hirvonen at hyundai is a good choice indeed for everyone.

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.
citroen is not the center of the universe

i can understant your pain,but just some days more.

[A FONDO]

if Mikko goes to Hyundai,cant see something else except Neuville to Citroen.
Lets see,Matton said that at October will decide.
citroen is not the center of the universe

i can understant your pain,but just some days more.
no you dont understand and will never do. good night

[Toyoda]

Kubica to step in Citroen with Sordo? meh that would be really risky

[dimviii]

http://planetemarcus.com/le-developpeme ... otorsport/ (http://planetemarcus.com/le-developpement-de-la-i20wrc-sur-asphalte-continue-chez-hyundai-motorsport/)

[EightGear]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110107

I can't see this happening...

[bluuford]

If they decide to go for 3rd driver that is supported by Australian Hyundai, then why not. They can get 1/3 more testing data from rallies

[Plan9]

Does Hanninen have a chance?

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ipKyao5fQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KipKyao5fQk)

[dimviii]

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2013/mo ... rame-39315 (http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2013/motorsport-atkinson-still-in-hyundai-wrc-frame-39315)

[dimviii]

http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2013/10 ... de-la-i20/ (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2013/10/11/atkinson-de-retour-au-volant-de-la-i20/)


modified front bumper? (closed air intakes)

[mohit]

Any information about solberg for 2014.

Any rumors or something.

[EightGear]

Any information about solberg for 2014.

Any rumors or something.

No. Please, just forget it.

[tommeke_B]

Solberg chose rallycross now, the perfect sport for retired people... :)

[danon]

Any information about solberg for 2014.

Any rumors or something.
A new Solberg star is about to rise... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=608990355820221

[Rallying UK]

HYUNDAI WRC: Any word on the rumour Škoda Motorsport's Belgian chief engineer, Yannick Willocx, is joining Hyundai Motorsport?

http://bit.ly/19vXZkj

[RICARDO75]

Test in Spain with Chris Atkinson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGR9Wy4MJe4

[makinen_fan]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/255430/hyun ... interview/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/255430/hyundai-i20-wrc-team-principal-michel-nandan-interview/)

[litifeta]

Bouffier, Hanninen, Atkinson, Neuville and another. 5 cars, 3 test cars.

Most unlikely are: Dani, Mikko, Ott, Petter

Most likely are: David Higgins, Ken Block

Hyundai are keen on connections with their market.

[Mirek]

Bouffier, Hanninen, Atkinson, Neuville and another. 5 cars, 3 test cars.

Most unlikely are: Dani, Mikko, Ott, Petter

Most likely are: David Higgins, Ken Block

Hyundai are keen on connections with their market.

When Michel Nandan himself said they will use only 2 cars how did You come to 5 or even 8?

[Doon]

Bouffier, Hanninen, Atkinson, Neuville and another. 5 cars, 3 test cars.

Most unlikely are: Dani, Mikko, Ott, Petter

Most likely are: David Higgins, Ken Block

Hyundai are keen on connections with their market.

Haha!! Would love Diggins to get a WRC drive with Hyundai, ain't going to happen though.

I don't actually understand your post at all?

[Doon]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/255430/hyundai-i20-wrc-team-principal-michel-nandan-interview/


CA: So how much of it is a test of the driver’s abilities then?

MN: There are in fact aspects such as the differential performance and brakes that we are keen to test with different drivers, because we want different feedback from the various driving styles

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.

[makinen_fan]

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.

But they don't have the possibility to test with a decent No1 driver that will lead the team as VW had with Ogier. I know someone will come up and say that Petter Solberg is available... :p

[tommeke_B]

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.
Lol... So you think they develop a car for a certain N°1 driver, and nobody else can drive it properly?

[litifeta]

http://m.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/hyundai-wrc-factory-tour-20131010-2va4w.html

Actually it says 10 cars. 6 for rallies and 4 for testing.

Neuville might be the one they look to for championship points, and Atkinson has proven he can get the bucket of crap Italia Mini to 5th place on numerous occasions.

Hyundai has buckets of money, one of the few manufacturers who are debt free.

Their venture into this is to sell cars, and build a sport car division so they can have a product to sell to young males. They will want names that they can use to sell cars, not win rallies.

They would be crazy NOT to talk to Block

[noel157]

http://m.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/hyundai-wrc-factory-tour-20131010-2va4w.html

Their venture into this is to sell cars, and build a sport car division so they can have a product to sell to young males. They will want names that they can use to sell cars, not win rallies.

They would be crazy NOT to talk to Block

You are joking?

Of course they want to sell cars but they also want to win, otherwise they will become a joke. Not sure the writer of the article knows much about the sport when he describes the 3 test drivers as "three promising young rally drivers" and " custom-made suspension" ....................

[focus206]

They will want names that they can use to sell cars, not win rallies.


They can hire Britney Spears at this point. What are all the tests for? If they don't care about winning rallies...

[noel157]

Britney would be my choice. Miley Cyrus could be the in the junior team, navigated by Robin Thicke..............after rally party would be good fun.........

[Doon]

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.
Lol... So you think they develop a car for a certain N°1 driver, and nobody else can drive it properly?

No, of course not. But why would you have drivers deveolp a car tht someone else is going to drive? Doesn't make sense to me if you want to win.

It reminds me of Suzuki, hiring Lindholm and Bernardi to test the car and do a couple of events in 2007, neither of which had ever won anything previously......then they put Gardemister and PG Anderson in the car for 2008?

[noel157]

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.
Lol... So you think they develop a car for a certain N°1 driver, and nobody else can drive it properly?

No, of course not. But why would you have drivers deveolp a car tht someone else is going to drive? Doesn't make sense to me if you want to win.

It reminds me of Suzuki, hiring Lindholm and Bernardi to test the car and do a couple of events in 2007, neither of which had ever won anything previously......then they put Gardemister and PG Anderson in the car for 2008?

I don't think anything Tajima and Suzuki did could be seen as a good example. Granted it was a half hearted, under funded venture but still.

[dimviii]

This is a slight concern. If they were building customer cars, then fair enough bulid a car for various driving styles, but they are not. So build it to suit one driver, i.e. Citroen - Loeb, VW - Ogier.
Lol... So you think they develop a car for a certain N°1 driver, and nobody else can drive it properly?

No, of course not. But why would you have drivers deveolp a car tht someone else is going to drive? Doesn't make sense to me if you want to win.


something you havent understant about rally cars testing.As you can see Neuville can drive much faster fiesta,even it ''didnt build it around him''

[Doon]

Yes, but the same bloke is running Hyundai, Nandan ;) Probably irrelevant, just an observation.

On the other hand they might do a great job and build a car everyone likes, i.e. M-sport and the Fiesta.

Latvala has struggle to set the VW up to his liking - Ogier's car.
Sordo openly said, at the start of the season, he can't drive the Citroen - Loeb's car
No but apart from Burnsie got to grips with the Mitsubishi Evo - Makinen's car

What do all 3 of these cars/drivers have in common? They all dominated the sport for a period. Ogier has embarrased everyone else this year and will continue to do so. That is why I believe the car needs to be build around one driver to win the championship, and the others can suffer it and bring home some points for the team.

[Doon]

No, of course not. But why would you have drivers deveolp a car tht someone else is going to drive? Doesn't make sense to me if you want to win.
[/quote]

something you havent understant about rally cars testing.As you can see Neuville can drive much faster fiesta,even it ''didnt build it around him''[/quote]

See my point above about the Fiesta! I also think the 206 falls into this catagory of car that suits all driving styles.

[dimviii]

See my point above about the Fiesta! I also think the 206 falls into this catagory of car that suits all driving styles.

no is wrong mate.There are not cars build around a driver.Thats impossible.Plenty of examples last 30 years.
Cars are build around regulations.Each driver must find the right setup at EVERY ROUND.There is not setup for one driver.

[Doon]

I know a car is built around regulations, but thts not all....Example;

Ogier seems to like a car with more understeering tendancies.
Loeb seems to like a car with more understeering tendancies also.
Ogier was as quick as Loeb in the Citroen.
Latvala likes car with more oversteering tendancies.
Ogier developed the Polo.
Ogier drives the Polo faster than Latvala.
Latvala complains that the Polo understeers too much and can't get it set up properly.

Can't you see the pattern??

Anyway, more seat time always helps speed, therefore if you develop the car you're always going to be quicker in it than if you hadn't.....if you catch my drift.

[dimviii]

each car you can make it undesteer or oversteer in 2 minutes.
At their level, mileage behind the steering isn t so major factor.See Neuville and Ostberg at fiesta this year?Loeb vs Mikko and Sordo?

the key factor is to setup properly for each event.This requires something more than to be just a good driver.

[Mirek]

I know a car is built around regulations, but thts not all....Example;

Ogier seems to like a car with more understeering tendancies.
Loeb seems to like a car with more understeering tendancies also.
Ogier was as quick as Loeb in the Citroen.
Latvala likes car with more oversteering tendancies.
Ogier developed the Polo.
Ogier drives the Polo faster than Latvala.
Latvala complains that the Polo understeers too much and can't get it set up properly.

Can't you see the pattern??

Anyway, more seat time always helps speed, therefore if you develop the car you're always going to be quicker in it than if you hadn't.....if you catch my drift.

In my opinion You are wrong in many points.

For 4wd without center differential an understeering is natural behavior. It can be somewhat changed by geometry and diff settings but if You see Loeb or Ogier use more understeer it may be just that their driving is more natural for the car (and therefore more effective).

How did You come to an assumption that Loeb prefers understeer? The C4 WRC was one of only two (I think) active WRC with uneven split of torque between axes - more was sent to back! C4 asphalt center diff was 40/60 if I'm not mistaken and that was found very tricky by many privateers.

Please don't confuse things. More sideways action and more sliding doesn't necessarily mean the car is more oversteering. For example old Lada VFTS is understeering as hell and that is why it's driven sideways all the time. Otherwise it doesn't turn.

[tommeke_B]

Latvala complains that the Polo understeers too much and can't get it set up properly.

Do you have a link to some article? Seems that I've missed that...

[skarderud]

Neuville signed for hyundai? Rumours says so...

[Andre Oliveira]

Rumours said that the announcement will be at Catalunya.

[Mirek]

Has this video been posted before? Sorry if repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCgBfApLyQ

[miniwintz]

A lot of black smoke out of the exhaust :D

[NxOxT]

Neuville signed for hyundai? Rumours says so...

good for his pocket bad for his career.

[kolin]

Rumours says the lineup is. Mikko Hirvonen and Cris Atkinson
Neuville should remain the Ford. It would be good to his career.