WRC3

[lcd]

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The next official game of the WRC season 2012, Is on the works.
Italian studio Milestone, Is expected to present an even more Improved title
after the successful changes made last year In WRC2!


Stick around here, to catch up with all the latest news,
and post your Ideas and expectations, about the new game!

3,2,1,GO!!!

[lcd]

Sebastien Loeb giving some feedback about WRC3!

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4895/54075236505117450551342.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/54075236505117450551342.jpg/)

[lcd]

First screenshots came out of nowhere!!!
It's clear that we should expect a much more natural look of the enviroment!
Those must be the Greek stages, quite refreshed though...

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[pino]

And it will be out on October (also for PS Vita), more shots here :

Annunciato WRC 3! | GameSoul.it (http://www.gamesoul.it/2012/04/02/annunciato-wrc-3/)

[lcd]

Here's a little translation of the article above:

'Milestone has just announced via press release that WRC 3, will be available for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PC and (for the first time) PS Life.
WRC 3 marks a radical departure from previous titles and is noted for its use by the development team of a graphic engine and completely
new game developed internally, to allow players to experience the WRC teams and drivers of the current season as well as the planned rally in the WRC calendar 2012.

The Milestone team has developed a new graphics engine, named Spikengine that will accurately model the lighting, particle effects and other features of the real world, to create a virtual reality-game, can offer a complete immersion in the world WRC. The cars themselves will show new modeling techniques, which make it even more real than the cars of the 50 official WRC team, also including Class 2, Class 3 and Super Special Stages.'


So Milestone's got a new graphics engine, so probably graphics will be even more Improved
since many complained about them In the previous titles...

[pino]

lcd, your italian is excellent :up: :D

[lcd]

Just some more thoughts: The vegetation looks much better now: Grass, little bushes, rocks and generally the details are more accurate.
Shadows look better too, without making some spots look too dark. The amount of saturation Is finally reduced giving the natural look we hope all the locations have.

Of course, there Is a crucial question seeking for answer:
Will there be any new stages designed or just a refreshment of those In 2010 and 2011 titles?
If that's correct, the only new location will be Monte Carlo, since all the rest countries of this year's calendar already exist In WRC2 and WRC1 (New Zealand)!

[lcd]

I am sure you can spot the HUGE difference on the look between the 2 titles!!!

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9972/spotthedifference.jpg

[lcd]

...Of course, there Is a crucial question seeking for answer:
Will there be any new stages designed or just a refreshment of those In 2010 and 2011 titles?

Got my answer here: ⇒ WRC 3 - La terza edizione prevista per Ottobre 2012 - Notizia - Multi (http://www.everyeye.it/multi/notizia/wrc-3-la-terza-edizione-prevista-per-ottobre-2012_122606)

Towards the end It says: '...Besides all this, the stock has improved all the effects related to the crowd, reshaped the stages of the race of rallies
and cinematic introduction to each of them...'

[Plan9]

a graphic engine and completely
new game developed internally, to allow players to experience the WRC teams and drivers of the current season as well as the planned rally in the WRC calendar 2012.

I don't get what this means? How do you get to have more experience with a WRC team?

[bennizw]

It looks promising at least. Let´s just hope they have understood that they need better stages, notes and sounds, then we are looking at something interesting.

[lcd]

Probably, those 2 photos are taken from the same spot.This junction separates 2 different routes:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9484/junction.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/junction.jpg/)

[Plan9]

Don't forget the night stages!!!!

[pino]

Night and longer stages !!! :D

[lcd]

...and some weather changes!

[Plan9]

Any first looks at the cars yet?

[lcd]

Like In 2011, Milestone presented WRC3 at Acropolis rally service park!
Here are the very first news:[url=http://www.gameover.gr/news/%CE%A0%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1%C F%83%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-WRC-3-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%91%CE%B8%CE%AE%CE%BD%CE%B1.19802.html]Î*αÏ

[lcd]

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[bennizw]

Doesn't seem like the hairpins have changed...

[pino]

Hopefully that's not an hairpins ;)

[lcd]

We've seen some really tight hairpins In WRC2, In the Greek, Argentina, Australia and Sardegna stages,
and Milestone got them right. I am sure that's not a hairpin above, just a long turn.
We'll see some actual hairpins In the Monte Carlo stages, don't worry ;)

[pino]

Mate, how much does Milestone pay you for supporting them ? ;)

[lcd]

hehe, not a single Euro :D
Seriously now, just wanna be fair with them.

[lcd]

A much better look for the next game, as you can see ;)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/278/wrc3s.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/wrc3s.jpg/)

[Plan9]

got any pics of the cars yet?

[Allyc85]

Fingers crossed they have actually listened! Infact I hope they have actually listened to a real rally car so its not like driving a chain saw! I would have been ashed of myself if id put in engine sounds like that in a game...


Doesn't seem like the hairpins have changed...

You can tell that from one picture? :laugh:

[bennizw]

I was just hoping that that picture didn't show what they think is a Monte Carlo hairpin ;)

[NISMO_GTR]

Hello!

Great to be back lol

I found this hands on article.

⇒ WRC 3 - HANDS ON (XBOX 360) (http://www.everyeye.it/xbox360/articoli/wrc-3_hands-on_16929)

All sounds good but one thing has me slightly worried is that they have added "fun events" in the career mode. Something similar to the silly stuff that Dirt 3 has :( .

I used google translator so some of this didnt make much sence, Could someone translate this?

[lcd]

Hey Nismo, thanks for sharing. Think the google translator works fine... ;)

[Plan9]

The "fun events" in the current WRC inspired games are pretty lame as well. I can;t see how it could get worse. I am waiting for Codemaster to buy the license in 2012.

[lcd]

Wonder when we'll see that In a rally game ;)

KppTmsNFneg#!

[bennizw]

Not in a game by Milestone I presume ;) Do we by the way know if they have extended the ownership of the WRC-license past this season? I know many are hoping Codemasters make a bid for it, and I am one of them.

[Bruce D]

I don't see how Codemasters would make a better job, everyone bitched out Dirt 3 and how unlike a rally car it felt. The handling on WRC 2 was good IMHO and I just know from Blackbean's SBK games that they do improve every time.

[Plan9]

It can;t get any worse when you put to a game and then have to put a patch online for it straight away. Codies has not had this issue. Dirt needs to reach a much wider deomgraphic than WRC series could hope for.

[Bruce D]

Well GP4 also needed a patch straight away to work but that sure as hell is still a great F1 game.

I still think Blackbean will come to the party eventually. They started with SBK 2007 and by the 2011 version it was perfect IMO.

[lcd]

Another shot of the WRC3 presentation during Acropolis rally 2012.
(Still waiting for the Greek press to release the footage of the event-Why Is taking you so long guys?)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2865/csc8520.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/csc8520.jpg/)

[NISMO_GTR]

Another shot of the WRC3 presentation during Acropolis rally 2012.
(Still waiting for the Greek press to release the footage of the event-Why Is taking you so long guys?)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2865/csc8520.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/csc8520.jpg/)

http://www.spaziogames.it/videorecensioni_videogiochi/console_xbox360/10778/wrc-3.aspx (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.spaziogames.it/videorecensioni_videogiochi/console_xbox360/10778/wrc-3.aspx&ei=43jHT-7FKcWD8gOR07zfDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CGQQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwrc%2B3%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DmjR%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3D1%26rls%3Dorg.mozill a:en-US :o fficial%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D629%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26p rmd%3Dimvns)

here we go! game looks fantastic! Monte Carlo looks great and Rally Wales has been massively improved.

http://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_xbox360/13237/wrc-3.aspx

[bennizw]

Woo, wide roads in Monte Carlo. They should be half the width, at least. And WHY can't Milestone model the cockpit in the cars without the stupid GPS-screen which has nothing to do there.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Oh my! Ive missed a few of these games... Since the last one one PS2!!! I want all the new current ones!


But I want a WRC game to drive the old cars, like Makinen's Evo VI! Hope one day you can play in years/seasons. With a lot of rallies! 12-14 rounds per season from let's say 1999/2000 when WRC class started! Select a driver to be, original car and team or even be a privateer against teams! Cyprus, Kenya, Perth Australia, Indonesia and China for the odd ones! Even if they make up the stages for the one offs and close to in other rounds! Rest can be based on rallies in last years! :D gotta get Xbox 360, wait - guys which is best console for the WRC games?

[lcd]

Looking so great In all aspects (tracks design, lightnings, graphics, atmosphere)
That's the WRC game I was personally waiting for!
Thanks for sharing NISMO! Welldone Milestone!

[pino]

I agree, it looks much better than expected, let's hope stages are longer and engine sounds realistic and I will be satisfied...whilst waiting for Dirt4 :p :

[Allyc85]

Agreed!

[NISMO_GTR]

WRC 3 - Gamereactor Norge (http://www.gamereactor.no/previews/144341/WRC+3/)

New screenshots :)

[lcd]

Monte Is looking great!

[bennizw]

Absolutely looking good graphically, but the roads are sooooo wide! :p

[pino]

Absolutely looking good graphically, but the roads are sooooo wide! :p

Believe it or not some stages in Montecarlo are that wide, and as long as weather conditions are tricky I don't mind ;)

[lcd]

Antorher photo of WRC3 presentation during Acropolis rally 2012!

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/50/14890041524392517638820.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/14890041524392517638820.jpg/)

[mAxL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VARf8IrS9TQ

[lcd]

Great find MaxL!!! New sounds, new amazing particles, new lightnings, new narrow roads...New WRC3!!!

[lcd]

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[pino]

Nice video and shots, thanks guys :up:

[lcd]

Correction: The first shot Isn't from Spain, but from Wales. It's the asphalt Great Orme stage!!!
Let's hope we see some new designed sections for all the stages countries ;)

[lcd]

Fisrt possitive preview come from Alan Boiston ;)

Veni Vidi Vici - WRC3 first trailer (http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/WRC3-First-Trailer)

[lcd]

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[lcd]

My guess Is now that roads got more narrow and hairpins got tighter,
actual handling/gameplay/physics will be emphasised more! ;)

[Plan9]

Any shots of NZ? What do the cars look like on tarmac? I can;t wait to get this game. Looks a big step up on the other games which were not so interesting to look at.

[lcd]

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Vote and send your message to the developers ;)

What would you like to see In WRC3 mostly ? (http://www.yourfreepoll.com/ltjprpvfsr.html)

[pino]

Voted for long and narrow stages ;)

[Allyc85]

Better car physics for me. No point in having long, narrow stages if the cars still handle badly ;)

[pino]

Better car physics for me. No point in having long, narrow stages if the cars still handle badly ;)

That was my 2nd choice ;)

[lcd]

For once more, It's quite obvious so far, what rally gamers want most ;)

[Plan9]

I read a rumor that we would be able to download facsimile set-ups of the real drivers and apply them to the cars. Has this been officially confirmed?

[bennizw]

Then they would have to change the whole setup system in the game. At least if it is the same as in the two previous games. There were only bars to move to the left and right without any further information. If so, I guess they would have to do something like Richard Burns rally?

[lcd]

No official word about those rumors Plan9. But I don't think we'll see anything like that (just like the rumors regarding i-Opener technology...)

[bennizw]

Wasn't the i-Opener technology supposed to be included in WRC 2 originally? Now they aren't planning it for WRC 3 either?

[lcd]

Wasn't the i-Opener technology supposed to be included in WRC 2 originally? Now they aren't planning it for WRC 3 either?

Indeed. But I think they have already abandoned It...
Probably must have been more difficult to use It than expected, who knows...

[rjbetty]

Hey I managed to Login successfully :D

I BOUGHT the WRC2 game! My first since Rally Evolved back in 2005.
So where's the WRC2 thread gone? Come to think of it, where are any older threads...?

I'm not a patch on the driver I used to be, but is it me, or is the difficulty (when on Max difficulty) actually pretty high? I didn't do "Road to the WRC"; I went straight into a full WRC season, and found myself finishing last almost every time.

I'm not complaining - I've done 2 full WRC seasons and pretty much 2 PWRC seasons. So I'm in my 3rd WRC season and still nowhere near the title. Gained 4 points finishes only in first 9 rallies! I always felt the PS2 games were too easy. :)

[Bruce D]

Hi rjbetty, good to see you in here. The registration can be tricky at times.

Yes the difficult levels in WRC2 are high. I have to run about 3 clicks down from top to be competitive, but its nice because you can learn and get quicker and still have tough AI. Yes the PS2 games were too easy in the end.

[Plan9]

Incidentially, I set it on 90% difficulty and I manage to scrape into a title using Dani. Bloody hard though as I win Mex, Portugal and 3 or so others later in the season. Powerstages can also be useful to keep me in the hunt. This is for WRC2. I actually like the PS2 games better as there are more events per season and all the cars I love from the pre-s2000 wrc era.

What are do you guys use to get you to the top of the table?

[Plan9]

Hi rjbetty, good to see you in here. The registration can be tricky at times.

Yes the difficult levels in WRC2 are high. I have to run about 3 clicks down from top to be competitive, but its nice because you can learn and get quicker and still have tough AI. Yes the PS2 games were too easy in the end.

Why did you find PS2 era games easier? they had no flash backs for instance...
For WRC3 I am going to be quite interested to see if it is harder to use Nobre's 01A to win the title as opposed to using a works DS3.

[lcd]

...What are do you guys use to get you to the top of the table?

Car set-up settings ;)

[Bruce D]

Actually LCD you are totally 100% right there! I'll give you the story of my 1 and so far only full WRC season I did. Running about 85-90% difficulty, using Kris Meeke in the Mini.

Sweden was not so great, kept bouncing off things and the car looked very second-hand by the end but I finished I think 9th. Mexico was where I started to get the settings to click but I started badly and ended up chasing back into the points, I think getting a 6th in the end, although I won the power stage so that helped. I then won Portugal and Jordan (just after a few mistakes), before struggling at the start of Sardinia, finding the right damper settings (these seem to make a big difference for little changes) which could handle the rougher stages. Then I fought back and won the rally. Argentina was the strange one as after 3 stages I was 45sec ahead! Only after that did they start doing competitive stages and match me. By Acropolis I was just behind Loeb in the championship but he was consistently finishing well so I had to do more. First stage of Acropolis he fell out so I knew I had to get going. After the first stage I was 3rd by 5sec. I decided to try the Sardinia trick of softening the front dampers by one click. Bang I lost 11sec on one stage, despite it being a clean run! Now I was stuck in a problem, I had to win the rally to really maximise Loeb being out but I knew I needed to at least hardened the dampers by 1 click, but if I went 2 clicks would it get better or worse? I couldn't gamble as I was down in 6th place and needed the points badly, so I went for my original setting and just drove my heart out over the next few stages. With 1 to go I was 5sec behind Solberg for the lead and then on the last stage I won the stage and took the win by 3sec. Phew! Finland I was off the pace no matter what I tried and I found the notes weren't too great for the faster event. Anyway Loeb also had a bad event so I only lost a few points to him. I won the next 3 rallies to build up quite a lead in the points, but Spain was a bad event so going into the final rally I needed to finish 4th to win the title. I had a bad event but eventually finished 3rd to claim the title, and Latvala won so that helped.

The point is the AI kept it very tight until the end and setup really mattered. And staying calm during a rally really made a difference, just concentrate on keeping on the road and keeping it neat and moving the whole time. Then you come out ok.

[rjbetty]

@BruceD - Cool Story, Bro!

@Everyone - Aha, so setup really makes a difference huh? I'm glad people agree the AI on this is pretty tough.

@Plan 9 - The PS2 games were SO much easier because the AI drivers weren't quick. If you check out the kind of times players have set on www.gzii.net (http://www.gzii.net) (I am on there under "RJB" with a Mitsubishi Lancer!), you will see if you play the game that the players' times are FAR AND AWAY ahead of anything the AI can hope to achieve. I remember being so frustrated at how easy those games were. I won the championship on my first attempt at WRC3 (PS2 2003 version) because you have to go through Professional (medium) difficulty first to unlock Expert mode (I hate that on games!)

I have a good story about how I won the title on my first attempt on WRC 4 (PS2) in 2004 - you could access Expert difficulty straightaway on WRC 4 and that pleased me very much. Finally a challenge!

Driving as Gianluigi Galli in a Mitsubishi Lancer, I was over a minute off the pace on my very first stage in Monte-Carlo, yet got my act going climbing up the order. Others dropped out and had problems, and incredibly, after the final stage I found I had WON on my debut!! I still remember now my time was around 29mins 20sec. I thought "OH NO" this game is WAY too easy (NOT the handling or anything like that - I mean the AI car pace being too LOW as usual!) But I since found out I was very fortunate, as it's RARE that the time I set would be enough to win the rally. The lead AI car usually wins with a 27 or 28 minute time.

Well I was in for a surprise - I was to find getting onto the podium, let alone winning rallies would be a tough order during the season, and I think I may have only won one other rally during the season - Germany. Sweden went well with 3rd, but my first experience of the new Mexico event was extreme! Crashes, smashes and damage left me out of the points during the rally, but I got my head down and tried so hard for some consistency. It was rewarded as with some problems for others ahead, I was able to climb from 10th to 6th. Strangely I seemed to finish 4th or 5th on almost every rally. It was weird as I was racking up the points and somehow remaining therabouts in the title race despite not being greatly quick. I was consistently scoring 4th or 5th, then banging in better results when I was able.

France towards the end was good as I managed a rare 2nd place - MUCH needed at the time as the championship was coming to a close! I was expecting to win Spain, as in the previous 2 games Spain was the easiest rally (meaning the AI speed levels were so low, you could win easily). However, the WRC4 Spain was very different - much more twisty, and I struggled to hang onto 8th, watching the title slip away! I focused everything I had to be consistent, and I was rewarded by climbing to 6th at the end. I didn't think I could do much better really.

This meant it came down to a 3-way fight with the Citroens in the final round in Australia. I think it was Loeb 99pts, GALLI (Me) 96pts, Sainz 96pts going into the final round! I truly did not regard myself as the favourite at all, especially as I was expecting Australia to be hard for me. But I gave it everything anyway, not expecting to win. I focused deeply and produced a clinical, but daring drive to take a strong 2nd place - just 20 seconds behind Solberg - a great result as I was usually minutes behind at the finish on the other rallies! I was so pleased with how I drove on a tough rally like that - one of my best drives. With every stage result, I was scanning intently to see where the Citroens were, calculating every little tenth. After a few stages Loeb retired!!! Sainz was never much in it and eventually dropped to 8th, meaning I actually took the title at my first attempt. Final Score - Galli 104pts, Loeb 99pts, Sainz 97pts
Amazing! Good times...

Er, why did I write all that? Well I enjoyed it anyway.

[rjbetty]

Ok I'm gonna use another post to give some breathing space:

My WRC2 (XBOX 360) experience:

Having not played a rally game for about 5 years, this was a return for me. I am clearly not a patch on the driver I used to be but wanna see how this goes anyway.

Settings: AI on MAX difficulty. All driving aids off. Straight into full WRC season - no training, no Road to the WRC, no PWRC, SWRC or Academy - anything like that. NO REWIND FOR ME - Refuse to use it. NO RESPAWNS except when landed on roof and no other choice. NO setup changes at all - only go with whatever game gives me for stage with no changes (as I don't have much clue tbh).

Driver: Matthew Wilson

1.SWEDEN: Finish last on every main stage, 15-30sec off on each! Come 17th out of 19 in superspecial.
RESULT: 19th and last +2:29 off leader.

2.MEXICO: Even worse - 20th and last on EVERY stage. Lose over 1min trapped behind wall on SS4(?) Take massive penalties on SS4 and SS5 trying to fix smashed car. Finish 20th and last, 8 and a half minutes off (sigh)

3.PORTUGAL: Some promise as I actually come 15th on SS4! Last on every other though. Finish 2:40 off leader, last again.

4.JORDAN: Very tough, but as consistent as possible - 18th and last. Highlight = 17th fastest on Stage 1. Twice finish above last.

5.ITALY: Again x2 stages finish above last, including 16th in SS5. Result = Last, about 2 1/2 mins off again.

6.ARGENTINA: This rally is weird as for some reason am able to go much better than usual! I'm guessing this is the same for everyone else here too? An incredible 8th on SS1, 11th on SS2, 7th on SS3, 15th on SS4 (bear in mind a 15th fastest time in Portugal had been my highest stage finish so far!), an amazing Stage WIN in SS5 Amboy 2!! Followed by 13th in SS6. All this left me 9th going into the superspecial.
The SSS was tough as nails, losing over 20sec. I was fortunate to beat H.Solberg to 10th by less than 2sec. But I'd done it - I actually got a POINT!

7.GREECE - Buoyed by Argentina, finish 14th. No top 10 times though.

8.FINLAND - Now I was WAITING for Finland, as on the Evolution Studios PS2 games, this was traditionally an easy meat rally. Now I could score higher. Oh how I was to be disappointed: This is more like the REAL Finland, when anything less than flat out - and in control to boot - means you are the square root of NOWHERE. I really tried my best to be smooth and consistent, but couldn't do better than last +1:30mins off the win - but I was only a bit behind Ken Block!

9.GERMANY - Ok if Finland was not what I was expecting, based on my experience with the PS2 games, then Germany would be. Oh tarmac rallies were the bomb in the PS2 days, the rallies on which the foundation of my title triumphs would be built. Besides, I am unlike most in that Germany has always been one of my most favourite rallies of all - possibly THE actual favourite (Maybe Monte Carlo has something to say about that though). From Stage 1, it was clear this too was leading to disappointment, though I did grab 16th quickest time. This was followed by last in the next 4 stages though, before rebounding with a 13th. The superspecial was interesting though as out of nowhere I pulled a 6th quickest time out of the hat - I didn't see that coming. But I had driven this stage in one of the modes (Road to WRC I think...?) so i must have helped. Still finished 19th and last overall though +1:30 off.

10.AUSTRALIA - Unlike the PS2 games, it seems that rough rallies, not the tarmac or fast ones like Finland or Sweden, are the go-to rallies for any kind of success in the modern WRC 2. And so it showed with a flurry of non-last place stage times. Still blew it and finished last though, but SO close to the others in front.

11.FRANCE - Thinking Germany was an aberration, and still saturated with years of PS2 era thinking, I expected this tarmac rally to be a boost. I just didn't have a clue did I? Do you think I was any good? RESULT - Guess.

12.SPAIN - Not as disastrous as France, but driving hard and fast yet being nowhere on the pace is a recipe to sap your confidence. Result - Yep you guessed it.

13.BRITAIN - Traditionally a flipping hard slog of a rally, for me any way. Nevertheless, in the PS2 games I had enjoyed some decent success. And with the seeming topsy-turvy order of things in this game compared to the PS2 era (meaning rallies I excelled on like Germany, Finland and Spain being my weakest, and weak ones like Argentina being strong), I was expecting maybe Britain would be a bonus and a nice surprise. Nope. Toughest rally of them all saved for last. What a killer. Last in every stage, car perpetually wrecked. Didn't even bother recording my time, suffice to say it was minutes off the win.

SEASON 1: 20th (1pt)

[Bruce D]

I totally agree with your views on WRC3 & 4 PS2 games, they were too easy to win. And WRC Evo was worse.

Glad to see your enjoying WRC2 though, personally I think it's the best rally game to come out since RBR. The tar stages are much harder with this handling than WRC1 was. I find of the gravel stages Mexico is probably the hardest. Very tricky in that there is very little room to make a mistake and run wide. The flip side of that is that Portugal then becomes tricky because you now have a much wider road so you think yeah I'm gonna go for this and find that you spend too much time sliding around so you have to learn to keep it neat quickly. Finland is very tough in terms of how quick the AI are, and therefore how quickly you can crash trying to keep up! Argentina must clearly be a bug because they are miles off there. I also find Argentina doesn't seem to be anything like the real event in terms of character and looks.

In championship terms I find having all the tar rounds near the end makes it tricky as you don't perfect the setup before you get there. And I personally find Spain very difficult compared to the others. It was worse in WRC1 because of the low light levels.

[lcd]

...personally I think it's the best rally game to come out since RBR.

Same here mate. Many more people will realise this, when WRC3 comes out ;)

[rjbetty]

Oh yeah, RBR was truly brilliant I thought. Could have done with more AI drivers and rallies though? I thought of it as a PWRC game cos it had non-official drivers.

WRC 2 - 2nd try at WRC (+PWRC campaign alongside, switching back and forth between each depending what I feel in the mood for :) )

PWRC: Ricardo Trivino (so glad he's back :) )
Sweden: 9th
Portugal: 4th, 8sec off win!
Argentina: With confidence from Portugal, and coming 10th in WRC, should be easy win, but found it trickier than expected (back down to Earth with a bump), complacency + crashing = Close 2nd
Australia: 5th
Spain: Last
Britain: Last again, but much improved over first attempt
SEASON: 7th (49pts) (=6th with Flodin)

Main WRC Season - 2nd attempt: Matthew Wilson
Having finished last in every rally except Argentina and Greece where I was 10th and 14th, I had lots of work to do...

1.SWEDEN - 15th overall, very happy - much improved. +1:10 off win. 8th fastest in Superspecial = YAY!
2.MEXICO - 14th, even better! Much improved on 1st attempt. +1:45 off win, +45sec off 10th. I lost that much in crashes, so I'm happy. 9ths in Power Stage and SSS!
3.PORTUGAL - Challenging for points finish! But blow it in SS6 wrecking car for SSS. Still 13th.
4.JORDAN - Difficult Rally, chop 39sec off 1st attempt. Actually finish JUST ahead of last IIRC! Happy with that considering.
5.ITALY - Midfield times including 8th in SS3! Anyone else find SS2 HARD? Bad SS6 = 17th overall (but no more being last every time!)

6.ARGENTINA - Given I scored my only point here last season, and having almost (should have) won in PWRC (and had extra PWRC practice), I was hopeful for a better points finish, maybe 8th. Well I got distracted on SS1 (Oh that happens so much - especially when there is a totally crazy Jack Russell (1/4 Maltese Terrier) dog spinning round everywhere :) ), also trying to adapt back to WRC handling from PWRC. I crashed on the bridge on the very fast section at end of SS1 flying into trees. Lost 10sec but still 11th. I had NO idea how well this rally would go, with 3rd in SS2 and 8th in SS4, but WINNING the other 3 stages, including the Power Stage! I was leading the rally ahead of Loeb going into the Superspecial, by about 3sec!! WOW! But the SSS was tough, and I was complacent, losing 6sec on 1st tour - OH NO Ah'm gonna lose. I only lost a further 1.5sec next time round, but it was too much and I had to settle for 2nd +4sec off. But still massively more than I could have hoped for. The best bit was knowing without the silly crash at the very end of SS1 which cost me 10sec - well you work it out... :)

7.GREECE - Aiming for points after success of Arg, 3rd on opening stage a great way to start! Follwed by 11th, 14th & 10th, and another 3rd on SS5, was looking good for 8th. Blew SS6 losing 20sec, but still came 10th overall for 2nd points finish of season.
8.FINLAND - Having scored Stage positions of 20 18 18 20 20 20 on first try, I knew Finland would be hard work. 8th fastest on SS2 was great, but the following stages were actually SLOWER than last time, cos I suffered crashes trying to find limits. Still 3sec better overall, and scraped ahead of Block by 0.5sec to maintain my record of finishing above last every time!
9.GERMANY - 12th 14th 12th on SS1-3 very promising, followed by two 9ths! Challenging for points, but messed up SS6, wrecking car for Superspecial left me a still encouraging 13th overall.

10.AUSTRALIA - With practice from the PWRC season, plus confidence from this being my strongest rally after Arg and Greece 1st time round, I was hopeful of grabbing a point this time! I was on target with 3 top 10 stage times, and was right in the thick of a close fight between 8th and 12th overall. I got distracted on SS6 and flew wide on the very last corner "3 left" of the rally, putting me just out in 11th, when checking times revealed I'd have been good for 8th... It was a measure of how far I was coming that I was absolutely gutted to finish just outside the points.

11.FRANCE - Not much hope having finished last on every stage 1st time, but 13th on SS2. Got distracted on final stages and crashed around to record my first LAST place finish of the year, when I was on course to avoid it. Aw....
12.SPAIN - 17th.
13.BRITAIN - Expected to be toughest of all, did better than expected with 5 non-last times including 9th on SS3! Finished 15th overall. Very Happy!

SEASON 2: 13th overall - 22pts But I actually got 3 power stage pts from Argentina, and the game didn't credit me, so it gives me 15th on 19pts. Has anyone else had that glitch, where your power stage points aren't counted?
42 Green Sectors
3 Stage Wins
23 Top 10 Stage Times
23 stage pos = 19th or 20th

[rjbetty]

SEASON 3 (+PWRC Season 2)

Ok I'll make this shorter:

PWRC: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 17th, 7th = Title for me, with Michal Kosciuszko



WRC: Matty
Sweden: 9th - YAY! Won superspecial to get in points!
Mexico: On course for great and unexpected 8th, but badly distracted on SS6. Still 12th
Portugal: Right up there fighting for win. Won SS4! Jumped by Hirvonen and Ogier on SSS to come 4th, +14sec off Loeb.
Jordan: Unexpected 8th on SS1, before wrecking car and superallying to last.
Italy: Possible points on reflection, but SS2 was a disaster again. It starts ok but gets fiendishly tricky! Result - 12th.
Argentina: Finally nail it with 5 Stage Wins, dominating to win by 33sec!
Greece: Disappointing with crashes, only slightly better than last time, but circumstances in my favour mean a surprise 7th.
Finland: Slightly disappointing, but 16th.
Germany: Should not have done this at 2am. Superrally to last, but win Superspecial. Might have scored points.
Australia: Much improved pace, but lots crashes caused by small errors and deviations while finding limits mean 8th (Secretly hoped for podium or even more - but it will come!)
France: 17th
Spain: 16th
Britain: Superrally to last again. Disappointing final 3 rallies really...

SEASON: 8th - 52pts
64 Green Sectors
1 Victory
8 Stage Wins
35 Top 10 Stage Times
12 times 19th or 20th on stage

[rjbetty]

Sorry I got carried away above - it's just that it's good to have a challenge! And it's Bruce's fault - he started it by describing his season, and that got me going. :p
On the subject of WRC 3 - Here are some things I think need changing/improving/added:

1.More AI drivers mistakes/mech. failures/retirements etc.
This is what Evolution Studios and RBR did so well. Maybe it was overdone on PS2 WRC...? But it's certainly so much more realistic, and like real life, rewards consistency and error-free driving. That may not be attractive, but it's true in real life. The way it is on WRC2 feels like Colin Mcrae Rally, where it's all JUST a sprint with NO retirements. It takes out a vital element for me and spoils the fun. It also spoils the possible surprise and enjoyment (for me) of seeing a bottom driver climb up and get a big result.

2.Ability to MODIFY EACH DRIVER'S level of performance, AND their VARIATION in performance maybe. (sorry to shout in caps, just trying to be specific).

2.An ability to CHANGE drivers' NAMES! Amazing how many games leave this brilliant bit out.

3.More/Longer Stages please. I notice all the stages in a rally are "related" to each other. I mean it seems each rally has areas A, B and C, with a junction in the middle somewhere which changes with each stage.
e.g. SS1 is always area A & B, SS2 is always C & B,
SS3 is B & C, SS4 is A & C etc.

Does that make sense? I'm not sure which is which?
I don't mind this, but how about more stages, even if they are just repeats/more combinations of routes. 6 is too little maybe. I think the first WRC2 and WRC3 and CMR2 had it good with 9-11 stages. Rally Evolved was awful with just 3! I couldn't believe it and thought it was a JOKE - they spent all their time on gimmicks and left out the fundamentals. D'oh! But I think highly of Evolution Studios WRC work overall.

4.RANDOM weather: NOT like the PS2 games where the weather you get is the weather you always get! More like RBR where it can be different each time, and you never know what you're gonna get. You know, just like Tom Hanks' box of chocolates.

PRAISE FOR WRC 2:
1.20 drivers - the most since the 1st WRC 2 IIRC! This has been such a huge thing for me, how rally games seem to have so FEW drivers! I'd like at LEAST 20 in every game, please! But how about having the PWRC and SWRC in the overall results WITH the WRC cars, so you get like 37/47 or more cars! Would that be possible! It would certainly be more REAL!

2.OFFLINE STATS - WOW how FANTASTIC this is! So increases the replay value and depth of experience for me! Only suggestion is add more! Maybe things like no.of podiums, no. of top 10 stage times etc... Even better, maybe a record of all results can be kept and accessed. I don't know how realistic this is though (disc space?)
but if it were possible, would be amazing to be able to see improvements in times and results etc.

3.Ability to increase AI speed - Just genius. What I am really keen to know is is the max level representative of the real pace the actual WRC drivers would go at? (I know Argentina surely isn't!) I often think how they only get to see stages a few times, whereas we can practice them over and over to perfection. So I was very interested to see how I would compare with only a little experience of each stage. The result is seen above, not great.

[Bruce D]

Has anyone else had that glitch, where your power stage points aren't counted?

Yes, but sometimes it puts it back too. Very strange. You'll notice they disappear if you look at the standings during a rally.

Your enthusiasm is inspiring me to have a go at my second season.

[rjbetty]

See if you can beat my season 3 times (season 5 if you count 2 PWRC seasons) :D

1.SWEDEN - 5 attempts
Stage 1 - 2:44.23
Stage 2 - 2:58.58
Stage 3 - 2:55.41
Stage 4 - 2:56.86
Stage 5 - 2:48.22
Stage 6 - 2:54.60
Stage 7 - 3:54.27
TOTAL - 21:12.17
AI on MAX - 20:23.31

2.MEXICO - 3 attempts
4:06.90
4:27.92
4:26.34
4:23.46
4:07.03
4:26.34
2:50.60
TOTAL - 28:48.59
AI MAX - 27:34.33

3.PORTUGAL - 5 attempts
3:46.62
4:00.60
4:31.84
3:58.21
3:49.72
4:30.02
2:29.45
Total - 27:06.46
AI - 26:45.65

[lcd]

Love your races analysis guys! :)

[lcd]

New site for WRC3: Wrc 3 The Game | The official World Rally Championship 2012 Videogame | Black Bean Games (http://www.wrcthegame.com/)
You'll be pleased to read:

REAL SOUNDS: the new engine allows a different management of in game sounds and effects.
All the cars have been live recorded also with on board microphones to catch all the real effects heard by the drivers.
For each country (EFIGS) a professional actor have been appointed to perform peace notes given by a real co-driver
to guarantee a real on board environment to the player!

VW Polo R WRC officially confirmed!!!

Brand new routes for 7 Rallyes !!!

[pino]

Nice link lcd thanks ;)

[rjbetty]

Is there any way for people like us to give feedback to the game developers, and give suggestions? Would be brill!

And cos I'm bored, here's my season 4 report on WRC 2 :D

Driver: Matty :P

1.SWEDEN - Improved with 2 top 10 times + SSS Win to come 8th (+33.59sec), just +0.72sec off Block (fancy seeing him up there in Sweden).
2.MEXICO - Another 8th, just 2sec off P.Solberg (+51.79sec) - 3 top 10 times and 3 11ths.
3.PORTUGAL - Having finished 14sec off in 4th last time, secretly hoping to win! After 4 stages am leading by 3sec (last time I was +10sec down) - who knows how it will turn out? We will never know cos I crunched into a wall in the second half of SS5 and spent the rest of the rally crawling round, tumbling down the order. The SSS was downright depressing...
In the end I was fortunate to take 7th overall. The top 3 separated by +8.61 sec - I would have been RIGHT in there! I KNEW before this rally I needed to have something to eat - and go to sleep too!
4.JORDAN - Another write off, crashed on SS1 - the only consolation was promising top 10 pace. Feeling fed up as this season isn't looking so good, so taking a break...

(a day or two later)
5.ITALY - Hoping for my first points in Italy - 8th would be great! 4 top 10 times out of 6 stages, including a WIN in SS3 :D Result = 7th overall! 0.06 ahead of Raikkonen - but that makes up for Sweden and Mexico.
6.ARGENTINA - 5 stage wins. Win by 50sec for 2nd victory. Full power stage points too.
7.GREECE - Aiming to match 7th from last time, but hoping for 6th. Starting with a 3rd and a win puts me 2nd overall, which I surprisingly keep hold of throughout! A very unexpected and welcome result.
8.FINLAND - Now it's late at night (like past midnight!), so I decide to do one more rally, knowing I wouldn't get points here. Aiming for 14th, hoping for 13th, expecting 15th. SS1 went well with 11th. But I managed to cut most of the mistakes out and get a decent flow to score 6th 7th 9th 7th 8th to come 7th overall! (+30sec)

9.GERMANY - Seeing how I SupeRallied last time, I was very conservative this time round and running outside the top 10 early on. Realising I needed to pick up the pace I finished with 3rd 6th 4th and 1st to climb to 7th (and notice I seem to be finishing 7th quite a lot...)
10.AUSTRALIA - Aiming for top 4 minimum (even a WIN), but reality sets in as I DON'T win all the stages. A silly fast crash on SS1 stopped me taking first 3 in a row though. Just over a second off Meeke going into final stage, I basically settled for 2nd as I find SS6 harder. I AGAIN blew it in the final "3 left" corner of the rally, spinning into the trees. Meeke had a bad run too and was only a 1sec quicker. I lost by +2.34... 2nd still welcome.
11.FRANCE - Having been buoyed to find out that Marcos Ligato had finally scored a richly deserved (and long overdue) WIN in the PWRC in New Zealand AND that Michael Schumacher got his first podium since his comeback (!), I was feeling good going into France. My first ever top 10 stage time was a great start. I followed that with 14th 14th 12th 11th, then a best ever 7th, to finish 11th less than 2sec off Latvala. Easily my best result, and I had lost time with some crashes. I could have come in the top 4 in a couple of stages!

SPAIN and BRITAIN to follow... :d

[lcd]

Is there any way for people like us to give feedback to the game developers, and give suggestions? Would be brill!


You can vote here and send your message to the developers ;)



http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4823/55057638327203505968614.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/55057638327203505968614.jpg/)


What would you like to see In WRC3 mostly ? (http://www.yourfreepoll.com/ltjprpvfsr.html)

[lcd]

Here's the latest poll results update:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4889/pollupdate256.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/pollupdate256.jpg/)

[pino]

So few people have voted :s

[rjbetty]

So few people have voted :s

Aw that's a shame... I guess the developers might be discouraged.
I voted for Car Physics btw. That's why I also rate Richard Burns Rally very highly even though that game certainly isn't perfect for me.

[lcd]

New Interview! Doesn't add much to those already know...Maybe a couple more words
about the refreshed career mode, which probably won't be very rally focused.

-q2rR_5sFIU

[Bruce D]

OT slightly, did anyone catch the WRC highlights from New Zealand? Paddon was driving RBR, could recognise that rev counter anywhere, despite the efforts of the cameraman to cover it! :P

[GigiGalliNo1]

Reading all this I want to get back to playing!

Now... I have the old PS2 games but I want an Xbox!

What's best guys? WRC games AND any other rally games.. Also want Forza though... ...

[lcd]

I think you will enjoy WRC2 for the official WRC2011 calendar and
DiRT3 for the great graphics and huge variety of rally cars!

p.s. XBox would be a wise choice :p

[rjbetty]

Reading all this I want to get back to playing!

Now... I have the old PS2 games but I want an Xbox!

What's best guys? WRC games AND any other rally games.. Also want Forza though... ...

Oh I wanna play the old Evolution Studios Games again! But I don't have them anymore since my PS2 and all games and dvds were nicked in 2007. :( I could spend all night writing my thoughts about those games, but I think I've said plenty on this thread for now. :D

The Black Bean games seem to actually be a challenge cos the Computer Cars are quick! I can't win each stage by 20-30sec on THIS WRC2!

[lcd]

You have probably visited the official WRC3 website already, but since It hasn't been mentioned so far around here...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7307/30660339179025087453187.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/30660339179025087453187.jpg/)

Wrc 3 The Game | The official World Rally Championship 2012 Videogame | Black Bean Games (http://www.wrcthegame.com/)

[lcd]

New Ingame footage from WRC3 presentation event, during the Acropolis rally 2012! (In French)
As you will see for yourself, the Improvement Is radical!!!

WRC 3 : JEUXACTU au rallye de Grèce 2012 (http://www.jeuxactu.com/wrc-3-jeuxactu-au-rallye-de-grece-2012-81685.htm)

[rjbetty]

Oh it would be so good if we could give more feedback to the developers. Do you think they might read this?

I think the biggest change I want in the next game is for the computer cars to have problems and (more!) retirements, like RBR and the evolution studios PS2 games did (from their WRC3 onwards). The way it is is too much like Colin Mcrae Rally, JUST a sprint and no more.
That was the BIGGEST problem stopping CMR being a perfect game for me...

p.s. Still haven't finished my 4th season with Matty on WRC2 yet. 2 rallies left but currently sitting in 5th in the championship (1xwin 2x2nd 4x7th 2x8th 1x11th 1x18th). Happy I'm improving, but I've done absolutely nothing with the setup cos I admit I'm not very good at it. WRC2 is possibly the hardest game of all; harder than RBR I think - I mean I can win every rally on RBR fairly substantially.

[pino]

New Ingame footage from WRC3 presentation event, during the Acropolis rally 2012! (In French)
As you will see for yourself, the Improvement Is radical!!!

WRC 3 : JEUXACTU au rallye de Grèce 2012 (http://www.jeuxactu.com/wrc-3-jeuxactu-au-rallye-de-grece-2012-81685.htm)

Great video...starting to get optimist about this game ;)

[lcd]

...Do you think they might read this?

Yes they are ;)

[Allyc85]

Looking good!

Im looking forward to videos with just engine sounds and co-drivers!

[rjbetty]

Yes they are ;)

That is amazing! Well I want them to know I'm pleased with what they've done so far. :)

[Plan9]

Will they have Group B cars in this game? I know we could get them in the last editions...they were way too hard to drive though...

[Plan9]

Also black bean should include the manufacturers table of points. That has been missing from the previous game and is fun to look at.

[lcd]

Will they have Group B cars in this game? I know we could get them in the last editions...they were way too hard to drive though...

Complete cars list here:
The unique official World Rally Championship 2011 Videogame | Game Features | Wrc 2 The Game (http://www.wrcthegame.com/wrc.html)

[bennizw]

Let's hope they include the possibility to use the clutch and H-shifting on the G25/27 for WRC 3! It's boring having to drive group B and A cars with sequential or paddleshift gearing.

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC 1 is from 2010, WRC 2 is from 2011 and WRC 3 is 2012? I'm excited! Will buy this week and get an XBOX. When is WRC3 out!?

[pino]

WRC will be out on October ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Good! Will give me a couple months to play WRC2 then!

[Plan9]

Will WRC3 include the manufacturer standings this time?

[Bruce D]

Hope so, cos like my current season in WRC2, my drivers title chances are zip already but my teammate leads the title so going for a manufacturers championship would be fun.

[lcd]

WRC3 Official release date:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4647/wrc3release.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/wrc3release.jpg/)

[lcd]

WRC3 cover packs revealed!

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Veni Vidi Vici - WRC3 on track for October release, pack shots revealed (http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/WRC3-on-track-for-October-release-pack-shots-revealed)

[306 Cosworth]

Really hope they have real car sounds on here. This is where DiRT3 kicks other games asses, they actually go to the effort of recording the rally cars they're using in the game and it just make it sooooo much better.

[lcd]

It Is said that, thanks to the new engine, the sounds and pacenotes have been dramatically Improved. We will see (...or better hear!)

[306 Cosworth]

I hope so. Hopefully they release a demo for this so we can see before buying!

[Plan9]

I think blackbean have been over thinking the whole car sound thing. Apparently the weird sound you hear in WRC 1 & 2 is actually their interpretation of what the cars sound like from inside the cockpit while doing an event.

[lcd]

New footage from the presentation during the Acropolis rally 2012:
You can clearly hear the new blow-off valve sound @ 0:51
Also the article reports, cars get damages, when driving off road! That will give an end to cheating I guess :)

k3Z5-RylzYE

WRC 3 @ Rally Acropolis Preview - WRC 3, event - Enternity.gr (http://www.enternity.gr/Article/WRC-3-@-Rally-Acropolis/10442.html?page=1)

[bennizw]

Can't recall to have heard a blow-off valve sound like that on a world rally car before?

[lcd]

Amazing Improvement In this new In game video!!!
kzZMOdKsoww

[106 sport]

Amazing Improvement In this new In game video!!!
kzZMOdKsoww


Yes, really improvements...
I like so much, over all, the stage with a lot of hairpins...Looks like real wrc stages.
I would like to drive stages longer than 6 minutes...
They should to work more time with the sounds and the phisics...
The graphics are better than the previous WRC games
I expect that they will improve it still more when it release in October

[GigiGalliNo1]

Got WRC1 love it, cept the boring part of only choosing a Ford or Citroen. Then got Dirt 3 and boy are the graphic and driving style GREAT! Just bought WRC2 and I was excited to drive the MINI.... Nope, graphics aren't that good, looks cheesy to me... Driving is weird though you can slide through corners as I haven't figured that out in the other games.... And still think WRC1 is great! (Xbox360 version) I'll watch WRC3 trailer soon...!

[A FONDO]

Amazing Improvement In this new In game video!!!
kzZMOdKsoww

The graphics and stage are really good. Car behaviour and engine sounds are still disastrous though.
This is how the second game should have looked like.

[Allyc85]

The car does sound like a pack of bees in a tin can. Unless there is more work to be done you guys must be able to make better sounds than this?

[mousti]

That revving sound still hurt my ears! But graphis looks nice!

[NISMO_GTR]

I have some videos for you lcd!

part1

WRC 3 Hands on part 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h29X9fw_azI&list=UUEvr879Hns1Ccb_gVaV7-5w&index=2&feature=plcp)

part2

WRC 3 Hands on part 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaNQRd4Fxzs&feature=BFa&list=UUEvr879Hns1Ccb_gVaV7-5w)

This game is going to be fantastic! welldone milestone :)

also the co driver is a hell lot better

[pino]

Big improvements in everything...love it :up:

[lcd]

Thanks a lot NISMO! Radical Improvement as expected anyway.

Alan's review Is much more enthousiastic, compared to his previous ones for WRC2010 & WRC2.
He has some hard times while driving ( though he Is a very experienced gamer) and that shows that the difficulty level In car's handling, has been raised!
One of his comments :'...WRC3 Is much more challenging than DiRT3, regarding car's behaviour on different surfaces...' says It all!
I noticed he can't be In high speeds all the time and that shows the new game will demand more trechnical driving than...just speed! Yes, the co-drivers sounds like a real person now and there Is a tension In his voice while calling out the pacenotes, which gives a real sense of a co-driver. Stages shown have all the characteristics of real rally stages (narrow, twisty, with many changes of surface surrounded by a detailed enviroment, which Isn't as 'empty' as In the previous games.)

Based on what seen so far, I think WRC3 will be returning the series back to their traditional roots!

[lcd]

WRC3 EXCLUSIVE SCREENSHOTS!!!

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[lcd]

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[Bruce D]

Always love those hands on videos, they're done very well.

I told you guys to give BlackBean a chance. Hopefully it turns out good, as their superbike games got there in the end.

[lcd]

WRC3 PREVIEW (part3: Acropolis rally)
WRC 3 Hands on part 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZCDQYSgGA4&list=UUEvr879Hns1Ccb_gVaV7-5w&index=1&feature=plcp)

[Plan9]

I have some requests for the developers to show:

1) Show us what the Mini looks like please (what is the difference between the 01A and 01B?)
2) Possibly describe the differences between the Fiesta, DS3, JCW (maybe find which car is best overall?)
3) the NZ stages would be nice to preview

If any of these could be looked at I would be very pleased. Thanks!

[lcd]

Here comes the 4th part of the VVV preview:
WRC 3 Hands on part 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAQG5KKN3-w&feature=g-all-u)

[lcd]

With a little help of a translator, you will find out some very Interesting Info about WRC3 new features!
⇒ WRC 3 - HANDS ON (XBOX 360) (http://www.everyeye.it/xbox360/articoli/wrc-3_hands-on_16929)

[lcd]

New screenshots! Nice and clear, natural look of the car+enviroment. Some more spectators added!

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3927/48719648416742827862384.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/48719648416742827862384.jpg/)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6360/55552948416730161196913.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/266/55552948416730161196913.jpg/)


http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2217/60249848416736827862975.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/60249848416736827862975.jpg/)

[306 Cosworth]

Graphics look good, but the rear spoiler on the Fiesta is far too wide and far too tall. Plus the car still sounds crap.

Black bean better not get a renewed WRC licence, all 3 games have been horrific.

[Bruce D]

Codemasters would probably do no better. Let's get this one out first before we judge.

[rjbetty]

Looking good. Nice videos.

Only concern I have is that apart from the player (as Solberg) on the video, the rally is being led by drivers like Michal Solowow and Dennis Kuipers. Kuipers has won 2 rallies so far while I've played WRC2. Daniel Oliveira also won in Australia in my 2nd season. Bader Al Jabri also won a PWRC round once... It feels too unrealistic, how drivers don't have realistic levels of performance, but I can live with it I guess.

Also, would really like the AI cars to experience problems in stages and lose time, and maybe a few more retirements. It's too much like a faultless sprint for me at the mo, but I can deal with it. The games look to be improving.

P.S. I'm delighted to see from the fourth video that Matt Wilson is included in this game. I don't know what I'd do or who'd I go without him. :)

Yup I'm concerned that any old driver can win in this game. The 4th video shows the top AI cars are Solowow, Araújo and Nobre...

[lcd]

...It feels too unrealistic, how drivers don't have realistic levels of performance, but I can live with it I guess.

I'll see If I can get any Info regarding this.


...Also, would really like the AI cars to experience problems in stages and lose time, and maybe a few more retirements.

It happens to me sometimes In WRC2. I would be concerned If this happened more often though...

[lcd]

New Monte Carlo screens-pack!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1515/38804748502190819317535.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/337/38804748502190819317535.jpg/)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9716/48656648502144485988863.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/48656648502144485988863.jpg/)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1765/53126348502177819318814.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/53126348502177819318814.jpg/)

WRC 3 - Rallye Monte-Carlo Screens | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.485021404859892.126535.150748701620499&type=1)

[lcd]

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/5964/wrc3xbox360w5293.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/wrc3xbox360w5293.jpg/)

New preview, focused on handling! ⇒ WRC 3 - HANDS ON (XBOX 360) (http://www.everyeye.it/xbox360/articoli/wrc-3_hands-on_17382)
We keep this phrase : ' WRC 3 è un titolo molto difficile da padroneggiare'
Translattion: 'WRC 3 Is a title very difficult to handle!!!' Wish It Is that way!

[lcd]

Here's a brand new preview In French. A lot of Info revealed for the first time so far regarding new stages,
handling/game play, game modes and challenges and an exclusive video of a Head 2 Head race!

Exclusif : Preview de WRC 3 ! (http://www.extremgames.fr/wp/exclusif-preview-de-wrc-3-2/)

[A FONDO]

oh no, that crap from Dirt3 :( rally is a sport of man vs clock! why they dont focus on improving other aspects of the game?! car handling and stage lenght for example...

[GigiGalliNo1]

I'm back on the WRC2 wagon, I love it more then Dirt3! Fav stages are Jordan and Argentina, tight and twisty! Bring on WRC3!!!

[lcd]

Argentina, Italy, Greece and Australia are the best stages In the game!

[lcd]

WRC3 Dev diary#1!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[rjbetty]

I like Mexico and Portugal, but find Jordan by far the toughest. I've had to superrally every time except my first ever time when I was +2:40mins off the win over 6 stages!

Hows it going Gigi? What settings and difficulty are you using? I went straight into a WRC season on MAX AI, no rewind, no driver aids, and ended up last every time except Argentina (10th) and Greece (14th)!

[A FONDO]

Jordan is my favorite, but I could never learn how to drive in Finland, always losing time there. Toughest is Sardegna, because car physics are unreal, only C4 in career mode can handle the bumps.

[Plan9]

I loved Mexico, Portugal and Germany. They were always my secret aces to keep my championship hopes alive. GB always sealed the deal for me as well.

I think WRC 3 is looking good so far. If codies cannot get the rights to WRC; maybe they could try do IRC. That could lead to more exposure to both Codies and IRC. A new generation of fans even. It would be interesting to see if the non-turbo series could sell more games than the turbo one!!!

[Plan9]

Oh quick poll: Which driver will you use most in WRC3? (In previous games I've tended not to use the top guys as I liked to compare my speed with them).

[rjbetty]

I like Jordan, but it's by far the trickiest one for me, as I always clip some sort of rock somewhere, and that's game over. Italy is as bumpy as Cyprus on the first WRC2 by Evolution Studios a decade ago, but the AI is easier. I have won a stage on WRC Max mode and have a best finish of 7th.

As for drivers, I've only ever gone Matthew Wilson haha, and expect I will in this one too!

[Plan9]

Why do you like to use Matt W so much? (I have no issue with your opinion whatsoever, each to their own). I am thinking Sandell would be fun to use for WRC3. I can't believe he couldn't rent the Mini for more than 2 rounds this year although he was impressive on them!

[rjbetty]

Why do you like to use Matt W so much? (I have no issue with your opinion whatsoever, each to their own). I am thinking Sandell would be fun to use for WRC3. I can't believe he couldn't rent the Mini for more than 2 rounds this year although he was impressive on them!

I don't know, I just like him and he's my favourite. And I've been wanting a chance to choose him in a game since around the time the old PS2 games were still around! Others I might try are Block, Andersson and Raikkonen.

Oh is Sandell gonna be in this one? BTW does anyone know all the drivers who will be in WRC3? Just the WRC class I really wanna know.

[lcd]

BTW does anyone know all the drivers who will be in WRC3? Just the WRC class I really wanna know.

All the drivers of the FIA WRC 2012 season will be In WRC3.

[lcd]

New gameplay video of Portugal!!!

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[lcd]

New screens:

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7378/80644871427413144251848.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/80644871427413144251848.jpg/)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3320/48766748714257131444220.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/48766748714257131444220.jpg/)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1923/31366648714284131441549.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/31366648714284131441549.jpg/)

[NISMO_GTR]

That must be a really old build of the game. So many gitchies with the replay camera and also it looks to me there is no driver in the car lol

Heres a full rally video! 6 stagies and I must say its looking really nice :)

WRC 3 (http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-3-srt-gameplay-footage)

[lcd]

Heres a full rally video! 6 stagies and I must say its looking really nice :) WRC 3 (http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-3-srt-gameplay-footage)

OMG It's perfect!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sorry but Italy in WRC2 is nuts. So many ruts and ditches on the side of the roads! Grrrr

[lcd]

The new particles system, gives life to dust, as It vanishes smooth In the air!

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3345/particlesnew.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/particlesnew.jpg/)

[spyros]

OMG It's perfect!!!


i didnt play the previous games but for me physics are just not right,cars seems to be way to heavy no powersliding at all,steering through corners is not right or the driver was to slow.WRC cars have power,you have to master it.

[lcd]

i didnt play the previous games but for me physics are just not right,cars seems to be way to heavy no powersliding at all...

One of the previous games main complaints, was the extreme powersliding/drifting of cars no matter the surface.
Hopefully the will find the balance for this one. WRC cars have power Indeed, but the don't spin,slide and drift like hell,
especially on asphalt. GroupB cars -as far as I am Informed- will have that kind of behaviour though.
Anyway, It would be very Important to play the previous ones (at least WRC2) so to get the whole picture and make a safe comparison, with WRC3 ;) Τα ξαναλέμε λοιπόν, όταν κυκλοφορήσει το παιχνίδι!

[Zico]

If thats all we have to look forwards to I wont be buying this game. Its very pretty graphically but the physics look absolutely awful.
Eight years on...you would think that we would have had something that was able to compete with RBR in the physics department by now, I guess the casual gamer market is the largest. :(

[lcd]

Picking up a game, Is obviously a matter of personal taste.
The point about the WRC3, Is to be as decent as possible, since It's the official WRC game.
Based on what seen so far, It's moving towards that direction; It looks Improved In many aspects,
compared to the previous 2 titles.
RBR will continue to be the King Of Sim Rallying for many more years. I believe It was made to be that way... :)

[lcd]

A lot of new footage and comments, In Sim Racing preview:

Th_OVkttH0g

[pino]

Very nice and detailed preview with many positive critics...I am almost sure that when finished this game will rock :up:

[rjbetty]

Yeah! But it'll be weird to see drivers like Loeb and Hirvonen often getting beaten to wins by Dennis Kuipers, Michal Solowow, Daniel Oliveira and the rest again... :)

[lcd]

Milestone check these forums (among others too) and as far as I know, they have already written down all observations (Including the AI suggestions) So far we know that AI drivers will be more aggressive compared to the previous titles; let's hope their performance Is based on real drivers career statistics.

So far, we've seen many thing been asking about:

-new stages
-narrow roads
-longer stages
-technical stages design
-more detailed enviroment
-Improved sounds
-New co-driver
-Improved physics (based on previews)
-more WRC atmosphere In the presentation, the menus and during race

Hopefully, there will be more things to add/Improve until game Is complete ;)

[Bruce D]

Well it's pretty easy to work out relative pace of the different drivers, even per event, based on a formula we use in SA to determine seeding order for our rallies. Surely it's not hard to work that out based on the time in stages. Sure there are variables but it's not that hard. Simply divide the person's stage time by the fastest time of the stage. After a few stages of doing that you get an average percentage and you can multiply any stage time by that factor to work out what time a AI should do through a stage.

I do like the new co-driver, sounds like a massive improvement, just hope he doesn't keep moaning at you and forgets to tell you where the next few corners go, like the last two versions did.

[pettersolberg29]

I wasn't a huge fan of the last 2 games, though I played them due to a lack of alternatives, however this one looks like a real step up. The sounds still need massive improvement but overall it looks like physics and graphics wise it's going to be the best WRC game ever (RBR excepted of course!)

[NISMO_GTR]

Yeah the sounds are not exactly great but are passable. But I do think the backfire sounds do need some improvement and it happens to often (drive the Lancer and the Mini you will understand). If they increase the sound of the exhaust note and maybe fine tune the turbo wine and just add a low hum of the engine I think it will sound good.

Also a very small detail why don't some of the cars have mudflaps? no mudflaps = penalty points lol.

[lcd]

...If they increase the sound of the exhaust note and maybe fine tune the turbo wine and just add a low hum of the engine I think it will sound good.

I think that's exactly what they should do ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

I want longer stages! Give me a 10minute + stage!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Think it might be a bit late for this though... Just thrashing the old Lancer in WRC2 in Jordan... Flipped and rolled the car but the spoiler was still intact? More physical damage to the car would be grand!

And!!! Punctures!! Got a puncture we should be able to pull over on the side of stage, press a button and quickly change tyre! 20-30 seconds you know!

One more thing: splits. Do we need to know splits? Can we run in selection of order like they do in 2012? In the old WRC games if you were leading the rally you would set the splits and find out AFTER the stage is done if your leading.. Or now a days if your running second or fifth you get to know the previous split times once the other drivers have driven through through your radio comm via co driver OR on screen! I know distraction but you can switch it off and wait till end of stage! Eh eh????

[Zico]

Milestone staff, if you are reading this, please have a look at this RSRBR11 video... RSRBR2011 East West C4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Navjbp9H5Dg)

Game physics aside... this user looks to have the audio plug-in that allows all the various sound levels to be adjusted to preference. It shouldn't be a difficult thing to do and would be a great feature to have, notice how much faster it looks/feels over other RBR vids due to the increased transmission whine adding to the visual cues.

[bennizw]

LCD: Could you ask Milestone whether they are planning on including support for H-shift gearing and clutch for wheels which have these features?

[lcd]

Just did Benniz. Don't get replies for everything I ask, but they have assured me that every pm
Is passing to the right department, so I guess they wil see that too, and hopefully Include It.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Normally I'd be very interested in this, but I can't help feeling that the game will suffer given the sorry state of the WRC at the moment.

[pino]

Normally I'd be very interested in this, but I can't help feeling that the game will suffer given the sorry state of the WRC at the moment.

??? :confused:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can someone write to the makers of the game to keep van Merksteijn DS3 paint in the game? I love this car and paint work! Perhaps rather changing cars/option of car with a team how about a car with an official livery? Ahhh.... Keep it!!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

??? :confused:
I just think the WRC is very weak these days. It's been in decline for years, and nowhere near as interesting as it once was.

[lcd]

I just think the WRC is very weak these days. It's been in decline for years, and nowhere near as interesting as it once was.

Many things, not just the WRC, are In decline because of last years recession.
Is this a reason, not to enjoy a game??? :p

[lcd]

It's been posted a couple of day ago, but this Is a better quality version, Including the new co-driver!

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[pino]

Best video so far ! :up:

[bennizw]

Portugal stages looking much more realistic and challenging than in WRC 2. Let's just hope for better car sound, and a less arcade sounds co-driver, and things could shape up well.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Will Rally NZ be in WRC3? Rally Australia sucks!!!! I hate the Super Special stages... the city ones I mean... WHY?!?!?!? Get rid of them and make stages longer... make 4-5 stages then repeat those in reverse rather then 3 stages and then reverse them! More stages! I want van Merkstejin car too! :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

Great video! Also to add. I hate Spain... why is it gravel and tarmac?? I loose in the gravel section splits and drive well in the tarmac! Silly to have both surfaces in a stage! Oh what am I saying!? hahaha TARMAC!!

[Plan9]

Will Rally NZ be in WRC3? Rally Australia sucks!!!! I hate the Super Special stages... the city ones I mean... WHY?!?!?!? Get rid of them and make stages longer... make 4-5 stages then repeat those in reverse rather then 3 stages and then reverse them! More stages! I want van Merkstejin car too! :D

Of course NZ will be there. It was part of the 2013 calendar after all. You will have to ask the FIA why Australia was ever included in the WRC, it escapes me as well. I think WRC3 will be another step up on 2 but some compromises will have to be made to fit everything onto a disk. You liked Pete Jr? I liked him as well. Terrible in the WRC but cool livery. He did Monte Carlo this year so I see no reason why he should not be included in the game.

My biggest problem this year? No Meeke either in-game or in the flesh on any WRC stages stages at all thie year!!!!

[rjbetty]

You will have to ask the FIA why Australia was ever included in the WRC, it escapes me as well. I think WRC3 will be another step up on 2 but some compromises will have to be made to fit everything onto a disk. You liked Pete Jr? I liked him as well. Terrible in the WRC but cool livery. He did Monte Carlo this year so I see no reason why he should not be included in the game.

My biggest problem this year? No Meeke either in-game or in the flesh on any WRC stages stages at all thie year!!!!

Yeah I'm happy to see NZ - it was amazing on the WRC4 of 2004! One of my total favourites. I won't miss Australia even though I've gone well on there with a best result of 2nd so far on WRC2.

Will it really cause such a problem on the disk to have just a few more drivers...? I'm sure van Merks Jr will be there cos I see from the videos Matt Wilson is too (yay!) even though he's only done Monte Carlo himself. With the old games, the drivers were rendered very well, and they looked like they do in real life. But the cost was that there were only 14 drivers in the game, making it very boring. :( I'd rather have more drivers with less quality graphics any day. Van Merks will probably win the odd rally on WRC3 going by the way these new games are. :)

Yeah it's sad about Meeke. He needs to be around to lift the standards of the WRC higher...

[lcd]

Some screenshots ripped from InsideSimRacing preview video:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1773/wrc33.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2844/wrc32.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/69/wrc31.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/9774/wrc34.jpg

[lcd]

WRC3 rally passion trailer!

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[lcd]

Could Becs Williams be the voice behind WRC3 In-game narration?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8535/101108becs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/101108becs.jpg/)

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[A FONDO]

uuuugh now I'm certain I wont buy this game!!!!!

[pino]

Because of Becs ? :s

[lcd]

lol pino! btw, she may not be as hot as other rally girls :D but she's got a great voice!
Ηer addition to the game, gives more rally atmosphere, which was missing from the 2 previous titles. :up:

ps: Love 'Welcome to Sardinia' song on the video above!!!

[pino]

Love her voice and that's another reason for me to buy this game on the release day :D

[MrJan]

lol pino! btw, she may not be as hot as other rally girls :D

I still would.

Game starting to look alright, depending on the engine sounds I may actually buy it...although for some reason I never seem to play anything but NHL11 at the minute.

[MrJan]

It's been posted a couple of day ago, but this Is a better quality version, Including the new co-driver!

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I hope they have an option to change the delivery of pace notes, a lot of those are far too late for me.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Just spoke to Becs and it's not her who does the voice over! Sorry to disappoint you!

[Allyc85]

I hope they have an option to change the delivery of pace notes, a lot of those are far too late for me.

Yea I was going to say that some of the notes are called as the car turns into the corner!

The co-driver is an improvement. There is more of a flow to it and it dosnt sound like a robot!

[lcd]

Thre will probably be an option how the pacenotes will be spoken, like previous games had: In extra advance, In advance, normal, delayed, extra delayed

[Plan9]

New request for Blackbean- Put Atko in the game as a driver for Motorsport Italia (of course with whatever livery he chooses to continue the season with). Hope it is not too late.

[lcd]

WRC3 DLC packs confirmed:
World Rally Championship 3 - Interview With Milestone (http://www.gamingexaminer.com/wrc-3-interview-with-milestone/17468/#.UDDLH6M-N0J)

[lcd]

Taken from the article/Interview above:
'...In the next future we would like to use the same techniques to draw all the stages in the game.'
FIA WRC license stays on Italian ground ? :up:

[bennizw]

Can seem so. Didn't they in the first place have the license for three years? If so they must have renewed it as they are speaking of future games. I had been hoping Codemasters would give it a shot, but I guess they are doing something equally interesting. LCD: Isn't about time Paul Coleman started revealing some news? It's closing in 1 1/2 years since Dirt 3's release. Considering the frequency of the release dates of the DIRT titles (DIRT 1 2007, DIRT 2 2009 and DIRT 3 2011), we should be bound for a new game some time next year?

[GigiGalliNo1]

LCD I think anyone can go out drive/record the stages and get photos and create the stages. I don't think anyone will stop anyone from making a road the same road in a game from real
Life :)

[lcd]

Do you get this message, while watching latest game trailer?
I guess this Is the first DLC coming free with every pre-order!

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1193/wrc3dlc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/wrc3dlc.jpg/)

[Bruce D]

[quote="bennizw"]

You can already buy DIRT Showdown in South Africa, let alone pre-order it. Don't know what's going on...

Dirt: Showdown (pc) | Buy Online in South Africa | TAKEALOT.com (http://www.takealot.com/gaming/driving/dirt-showdown-pc,11037074)

Dirt Showdown, Games - kalahari.com (http://www.kalahari.com/games/Dirt-Showdown/372/44915124.aspx)

Takealot even say they have it in stock, which means 24 hour delivery time anywhere in the country.

[bennizw]

DIRT Showdown really doesn't have anything to do with the previous games. It's basically a game on banger racing, so yes, I am awaiting a new game from Codemasters ;)

[pino]

Please let's not talk about crappy game (Showdown) in here :p :

[Bruce D]

Ah ok that explains it then. Wondered why nobody was saying anything about it!

[Plan9]

Icd, there is a video in the top right of your screen grab that looks like it has Jari Ketomaa's car in it. If possible can you put the link for that video on here??? Also if you know of Sandell's presence in the game please let us know...

[lcd]

I think This Is Maciek Oleksowicz's Ford Fiesta S2000.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2684/5630627654253769d46c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/5630627654253769d46c.jpg/)

Anyway, here's spaziogame's whole video:

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[lcd]

...Didn't they in the first place have the license for three years?

That's what I remember too.

[GigiGalliNo1]

New video

PHILIPS RALLY OF ARGENTINA - GAMEPLAY VIDEO - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq5fDrTLUI8)

[pino]

Nice one, but it doesn't look like Argentina :s

[lcd]

Fantastic technical stage, totally breathless, with narrow twisty roads,
beautiful changes of surface and amazing shaddy parts In the forest!
Co-driver gives a show of his own and the sounds got more aggressive! Very well done!

@pino: I get your point: Looks like there Is too much vegetation for Argentina...

[pino]

Exactly too much vegetation...and almost no spectators :( otherwise a great stage.

[bennizw]

That stage is exactly the same as last years.

[Bruce D]

Well I'm impressed! That opening section is very quick in WRC2 but much tighter and slower on this one. Clearly the grip level is much lower. The car sounds a bit flat but they do say the audio isn't final.

[lcd]

That stage is exactly the same as last years.

Indeed. But hardly reminds the old one. Amazing what graphics can do!

[MrJan]

That stage is exactly the same as last years.

Thankfully I didn't get WRC2 :D

[pettersolberg29]

That looks pretty awesome to be fair - and I guess spectators will be added at the end?

[lcd]

... I guess spectators will be added at the end?

Of course they will ;)

[lcd]

New Info:
-Cars will get dirty, depending on the type of each surface!
-All cars, Including the career ones, will be available for single stage/single rally mode.

[lcd]

A very Interesting German pre-view, regarding physics:

'...The input to the controller does exactly what you'd expect. Maybe a little too sensitive, but that can be optimized if possible, even on the settings in the game... the car moves smoothly, leans a bit and responds to the ground as well as the condition of the roadway...'

And something has been already mentioned around here, regarding FIA license staying on Italian hands:
'...Next year, current plans are to the other routes, or at least a part of it, be inspired by their real role models not only visually but also in length and road'

WRC 3: FIA World Rally Championship 2012 Vorschau, Preview | games.reveur.de - all about racing games (http://games.reveur.de/wrc-3-fia-world-rally-championship-2012/preview/179,Gamescom-2012--Mit-grossen-Schritten-auf-dem-Weg-zum-Rally-Podium)

[lcd]

Hellicopter feature for WRC3?

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9384/wrc3hellicopter.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

We fly helicopters?!

[lcd]

We fly helicopters?!

I guess they'll have their own pilot :p

[A FONDO]

The car sounds a bit flat but they do say the audio isn't final.


They've been saying it from the demo of 2010 version..... I dont believe them anymore....

[pino]

I would love to have the helicopters view of all stages like in Evolutions Studios WRC1 and 2 :up:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Rather emphasis the graphic more on the game and not waste them on a helicopter or something the graphic can better go towards!

[lcd]

I would love to have the helicopters view of all stages like in Evolutions Studios WRC1 and 2 :up:

Especially, the stages Intros of WRC2, where you could fly over the stage before start was a fantastic feeling!

[lcd]

Rather emphasis the graphic more on the game and not waste them on a helicopter or something the graphic can better go towards!

I don't think the addition of a hellicopter or other tiny details will waste the main graphics.
We should be concerned more on the performance, If the game gets too heavy. It all depends on the abilities of the new engine.

[lcd]

Sadly, the hellicopter feature Is confirmed, but as a 'challenge' In single player mode.
Obviously It won't appear In the special stages during championship...

Preview: WRC 3 (World Rally Championship) for Xbox 360 | D-Xbox Games (http://downloadxboxgames.com/2012/08/20/preview-wrc-3-world-rally-championship-for-xbox-360/)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Rather emphasis the graphic more on the game and not waste them on a helicopter or something the graphic can better go towards!
I think the helicopter is there to give the game a little bit more atmosphere - the broadcasts of the rallies generally employ helicopters to follow cars, particularly through the power stages (especially the longer ones).

[lcd]

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One of the thing didn't like In both previous games, was that all non official cars, had really poor liveries.
I see that this Is carrying on In WRC3. I think It would be possible for the studio artists, to give a more racing look on those cars, even If the sponsors or labels used, were Imaginary.

[bennizw]

What car is that supposed to be?

[Bruce D]

What car is that supposed to be?

:o

Please tell me you're being sarcastic!?!?!? :p

[lcd]

Please tell me you're being sarcastic!?!?!? :p

Of course he Is :s mokin:


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[bennizw]

That was at least one horrible model they have made! To me that looked more like some old Datsun than a MK1.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Did anyone here play V-Rally 3? Can you remember the career game play?

You join small team/car.. Then move to a WRC car and get offer from teams... I use to drive the Corolla for 6-7-8 seasons and win win win like Loeb does now. Then on a chance change teams to a Mitsu Evo WRC 7 (god I love that car) have a crap season or two... Then work my way back to the top to a new team ie Ford and win again! Wish there could be a game like that!

Jnrs, then PWRC then SWRC... Then WRC for at least 10 seasons!

So far I'm in WRC2 driving the Road to WRC and drove an ex WRC Subaru for the first time... Forgot what level/career year..

[Plan9]

I am playing WRC 2 on ps2. Full difficulty with Radstrom. **** it is hard!!! Not in the top 10...

[Plan9]

I will be interested to see if Blackbean differentiates between the 01B and the 01A (in terms of performance and speed) that Nobre drives...if so I will be dead keen to see how hard it would be to clock WRC3 with the green pig

[lcd]

For your Information, Blackbean Is no longer envolved with WRC3. Milestone Is both developer & publisher ;)

[bennizw]

I loved V-rally 3's career mode! Very entertaining and the most realistic rally career mode to date. Too bad the handling was kind of crap, but other wise a very good game.

[rjbetty]

I am playing WRC 2 on ps2. Full difficulty with Radstrom. **** it is hard!!! Not in the top 10...

Man, you're joking right? That game is a breeze (easy as pie). :)
I take it you must just be getting used to it huh?
I wish I had a PS2 again. I haven't played that game since the end of 2006...!

Have you seen g z i i . n e t - accueil (http://www.gzii.net) ? That site is amazing with a list of times players have done. Seeing the times by swissplayer and co showed me what was possible and my driving went to another level! I even "won" 3 rallies (OMGosh!!!) but the entries for those rallies (Cyprus etc) was very low and much less quality (no offence). I am RJB and usually driving a Hyundai Accent or Mitsubishi Lancer.

What I hated about those games, and CMR2 though, was having to work through the intermediate difficulty first before gaining access to Expert mode. I'm glad it was fixed from WRC4 and hope it never appears on the Milestone games...


Some Tips for WRC2 (PS2):
If you slide into the barrier, just get out of the throttle altogether, steer out, then reapply the throttle. Don't strain to save every tenth. Just be calm, cos the car gets "tangled" in the barriers if you stay on the throttle. It's crazily annoying. I almost wanna shout just thinking of the memories!

If you stay outta trouble and just let the car do the work, you should do pretty well. You don't need every tenth. Aim more to just stay on the road, and slow down as much as you need to to stay on the road. The times should then come to you. It's surprising.

If you think about it, the AI cars are not driving at impossible speed. It's surprising how slowly they would be driving if you could see them. But they are driving (quite slowly) on rails and don't make mistakes, and that's where they're getting all their time from.

Most of all, don't go wide and DO NOT MAKE THE TYRES SCREECH. Nothing seems to cost performance as much as tyre wear. It makes a huge difference driving with the tyres in mind.

If you do crash, don't lose your rag. Just accept it happens and focus on going forwards.

(Some of these are pretty basic, but they turned me from a crasher into a pro - well someone who can win every stage on every rally with ease anyway)

Now I think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing what tips other people have, for this game or any other.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I use Xbox 360 for WRC2... The car handles better when turning either a 2/3/4 type corner if you actually USE the brake then letting go of the accelerator to guide the car through the corner... I've begun to use the normal brake on hairpins and the car slides, using Handbrake slows the car way down... Give it a shot an it controls the car better too!

[Plan9]

Man, you're joking right? That game is a breeze (easy as pie). :)
I take it you must just be getting used to it huh?
I wish I had a PS2 again. I haven't played that game since the end of 2006...!

Have you seen g z i i . n e t - accueil (http://www.gzii.net) ? That site is amazing with a list of times players have done. Seeing the times by swissplayer and co showed me what was possible and my driving went to another level! I even "won" 3 rallies (OMGosh!!!) but the entries for those rallies (Cyprus etc) was very low and much less quality (no offence). I am RJB and usually driving a Hyundai Accent or Mitsubishi Lancer.

What I hated about those games, and CMR2 though, was having to work through the intermediate difficulty first before gaining access to Expert mode. I'm glad it was fixed from WRC4 and hope it never appears on the Milestone games...


Some Tips for WRC2 (PS2):
If you slide into the barrier, just get out of the throttle altogether, steer out, then reapply the throttle. Don't strain to save every tenth. Just be calm, cos the car gets "tangled" in the barriers if you stay on the throttle. It's crazily annoying. I almost wanna shout just thinking of the memories!

If you stay outta trouble and just let the car do the work, you should do pretty well. You don't need every tenth. Aim more to just stay on the road, and slow down as much as you need to to stay on the road. The times should then come to you. It's surprising.

If you think about it, the AI cars are not driving at impossible speed. It's surprising how slowly they would be driving if you could see them. But they are driving (quite slowly) on rails and don't make mistakes, and that's where they're getting all their time from.

Most of all, don't go wide and DO NOT MAKE THE TYRES SCREECH. Nothing seems to cost performance as much as tyre wear. It makes a huge difference driving with the tyres in mind.

If you do crash, don't lose your rag. Just accept it happens and focus on going forwards.

(Some of these are pretty basic, but they turned me from a crasher into a pro - well someone who can win every stage on every rally with ease anyway)

Now I think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing what tips other people have, for this game or any other.

Yes I have not played this game in a good few years. I have won titles playing WRC1,3,4 on hard. I am not used to the PS2 controller after so long with a PS3/XBox 360 controller! Thanks for the advice though. In WRC2 I can win the title very easily on all other levels but just adpating.

Do you have any more driving advice? I think the handbrake is no use really; what about you? I will keep the tyres in mind.

For WRC1,2 and now 3 on the PS3/XBox I usually win the title on full difficulty although I do use resets.

I look forward ot hearing more advice from you.

[Plan9]

I use Xbox 360 for WRC2... The car handles better when turning either a 2/3/4 type corner if you actually USE the brake then letting go of the accelerator to guide the car through the corner... I've begun to use the normal brake on hairpins and the car slides, using Handbrake slows the car way down... Give it a shot an it controls the car better too!

Yes I have also noticed this. If I do not slow down fully-then use handbrake I ****ing slide off the road. Much better in a lot of cases not to try the handbrake too much.