WRC3

[Astro83]

Haha. Okey rewiev but have the reporters really heard a new wrc car in real life!?!?!?!

The sound is so good. No it's not! It's really poor, only to compere with the real ones!

But nice reading, we will see but I think this is going to be ok and fun to play I hope! :)

[Hazza555)]

Okay so there is a silly woman talking through most of it, but you do get a good idea of the sound, both inside and out. She really revs the heck out of as well, taking it well past 6000-6500 where the drivers usually change up in competition


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6g0y9-xYw&feature=BFa&list=HL1348698850

[Astro83]

Yes and wrc 3 :s Fiesta do NOT sound anything as beautiful as in this video! It's a make up kind of sound in wrc 3.

The only sound in the game that is kind of good and correct is when the cars stand still, but the sound is even there to low.

[Astro83]

But Milestone maby didnt show us the final sound product in the demo? I dont know? Because in the review they wrote that the sound was "sooo good" and the reporters can't be so stupid to write that if we hear the same sound??

[pino]

Too bad that many won't buy this game due to poor sound...I will :p :

[Astro83]

I'v allready pre-order the game for a long time ago and is really looking forward to the realise. But it's good to discuss this game like we do and speak about all the things they need to do better next time and even the good stuff!

But the sound is a very big thing for the feeling so it's a shame that the sound is so poor.

[lcd]

I am afraid I will have to agree with pino. It would be unfair, for the sport Itself (WRC) mostly and not for Milestone, If there will be any rally fans won't get the game, just because sounds are not realistic!!! What about the radical Improvement In so many other Issues?
Longer, tight special stages, new/ refreshed special stages, more accurate physics, more rally atmosphere, new
co-driver pacenotes, new detailed high quality graphics and so many other Improvements, many people were
complaining about some months ago? Even the sounds have been Improved, compared to the previous one.
Do you guys prefer more, no WRC game than having a very decent one? (even not 100% perfect?)

[bennizw]

I´ll certainly be purchasing the game, but I still think we have to be strict on our demands as hardcore fans towards Milestone to make their games a good as possible.

[Astro83]

I'm with Bennizw in this question..

[bennizw]

Is anyone able to get a respond to whether the game will support clutch and h-shift gearing? I have even sent Irvin Zonca a PM on Facebook without an answer..

[pino]

No more reply to me from game director neither :(


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[Allyc85]

I´ll certainly be purchasing the game,

Its already sorted that il be getting it for christmas! :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Motorsport Italia posted a photo of their MINI on Facebook from Wrc3 game

[lcd]

Thanks for the Info GigiGalliNo1 :p The mini looks seriously Improved!

http://i46.tinypic.com/2m4w2oj.jpg

[Astro83]

Looks really good! That's fun because I just love the Mini wrc and S2000! :)

Regarding clutch and more, it didnt felt like the game supported that when I look in demo in controller setup???

[bennizw]

No, I realized that myself. Considering that most racing games since mid 2000 have had support for clutch and h-shift gearing, I should think Milestone should have thought of that? There are many cars in the game that actually are driven with manual/dog-boxes...

[Astro83]

Bennizw: yes I think same as you but I hope that they think of that in WRC 4!!!

[lcd]

New Zealand 6min. stage! It combines all the sections of the shorter stages In a real big one!

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[Astro83]

Haha lcd, Milestone is on a role!!!!! :D ****, that's soooooop nice!!!! 6min stages, longer then RBR!
Thats cool, that they have both little shorter stages (normal and good lenght) and this big one! :p really like this!!! :) Now I'm pumpt! :p

[bennizw]

I am pretty sure we can do that stage much faster than six minutes - not exactly great driving by Alan. Extremely long gear ratio´s too! ;)

[lcd]

That NZ stage Is fantastic. Long enough not to memorise It easily. And extremely technical.
I recall Alan going flat out, In all stages of the 2010 preview videos :p
Staying on the road will be the key for some great times. That new stages design philosophy
has really nothing to do with the previous games.

[bennizw]

Is this a trailer we haven't seen yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claIDp5qsYY

[pino]

Wow looks like graphics have improved from previews trailer :up:

Can't wait !!! :bounce: :D

[AndyPQube]

Yes, this is a new trailer showing the different aspects to the "Road to Glory" mode, we will be releasing this trailer on Monday in the UK. This is the new "career" mode, which is a whole other experience to the traditional "Championship".

I've had a green disc (finished code) a few days now and been playing through the Championship so far. Despite being obviously bias, I am really impressed with it. The Mexico stages have been the toughest so far, Sweden and Monte Carlo were great fun, but Mexico has a lot of tough corners and bends (the SSS is a great example of this).

If you guys have any specific questions, feel free to direct them to ask.

(I am the UK Marketing Manager for WRC 3 on all formats).

[bennizw]

Hi AndyPQube,

Thanks for writing and letting us ask questions. I'd be happy if you could answer the following questions:

* Will there support for clutch and h-shift gearing in WRC 3 - if not, is there a possibility this could be included in future updates?
* Have the car engine sounds been improved since the demo version?
* What kind of DLC can we await the coming months after the release?

Thank you!

[AndyPQube]

No problem.

* Will there support for clutch and h-shift gearing in WRC 3 - if not, is there a possibility this could be included in future updates?
I will find out from the developer and let you know.

* Have the car engine sounds been improved since the demo version?
Since the previews yes.

* What kind of DLC can we await the coming months after the release?
There's nothing confirmed yet but I know new tracks and cars are possible.

[pettersolberg29]

* Have the car engine sounds been improved since the demo version?
Since the previews yes.

* What kind of DLC can we await the coming months after the release?
There's nothing confirmed yet but I know new tracks and cars are possible.

Hey Andy - cheers for making yourself availible for questions! Two quick things - as you say 'from the previews, yes' does that mean since the demo, no improvements?

Also are there any plans to introduce DLC for the Hyundai i20 if it ends up making its debut next season?

[bennizw]

Thanks for your answer! Considering the fact that most racing games the past 5 or 6 years have had support for clutch and h-shift gearing, it's about time Milestone include it too. Especially since there are so many cars in the game that are supposed to be driven that way. Looking forward to hearing more from you!

[darkos]

Looks awesome, can't wait

[AndyPQube]

Hey Andy - cheers for making yourself availible for questions! Two quick things - as you say 'from the previews, yes' does that mean since the demo, no improvements?
I didn't notice anything dramatically different, but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. My ears won't be as "keen" to the nuances as you guys :)


Also are there any plans to introduce DLC for the Hyundai i20 if it ends up making its debut next season?
I can't give any specifics on DLC, purely because nothing has been confirmed yet.

[bennizw]

Another sound question for you Andy: Do the S2000 cars in the game actually sound like S2000 cars?

[AndyPQube]

Another sound question for you Andy: Do the S2000 cars in the game actually sound like S2000 cars?
All of the cars in the game have been recorded directly from the original cars themselves. They have been recorded from inside and outside of the car (so when you switch to cockpit view you also get the cockpit sound). They all sound great to me, but you guys will have a lot more knowledge of how they should sound than I do. I know they have worked with the drivers themselves to get their feedback on the sound too.

[darkos]

Sound already is incredible but what exceeds sound and graphics is driving physics :)

[bennizw]

No chance you can give us a quick video sample of the sound of an S2000 car in the game, Andy? Milestone say the car sounds are real recordings, but judging by what we hear in the demo, there is sadly not much resemblance to the real engine sounds of the DS3 WRC and Fiesta WRC. I don't know how involved you are in rallying, but I suggest you to check out some video's with the real cars in action, and then listen to the sounds that Milestone have made for WRC3.

[Astro83]

Now I only have seen Alans videos and I have played the demo, but I can't understand, really can't understand how some of you guyes can say that the car sounds great? Is that a JOKE?
In demo the cars sounds nothing as in real when the cars comes up in speed!

But the last link with the video - looks great!! Good graphics!

[bennizw]

Thank you Astro! ;)

[Astro83]

It was nothing Bennizw, only the truth! ;) :)

[lcd]

Het Andy, what exactly the Combo Contest Is?
Discription says: 'Mixes two or more mechanics from the other challenges' but can't really figure It out...
Can you be a little more specific?

[lcd]

New Info+screens from PQube: WRC 3 Challenge Mode and Boss Battles Announced (http://www.pqube.co.uk/wrc3/wrc-3-challenge-mode-and-boss-battles-announced/)

[lcd]

...and here's a mind-blowing mini :)

http://i50.tinypic.com/14btaoi.jpg

[bennizw]

What kind of rims does it have on there?

[Astro83]

This Mini from the 60's looks very beautiful but I can't see that the extra lights has glas over the "light"?? :o but very nice anyway!! :)

[lcd]

New preview from Alan and VVV for Mexico extended stage!

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[Astro83]

Looks really good! Nice stages!

[Bruce D]

@ Andy, is there any chance of finding out minimum PC system requirements for the game? Seems to be very quiet on that part and I'm worried my system won't handle it.

[AndyPQube]

Hi Bruce

Minimum requirements:

Operating System: Windows®XP™ SP2, Windows®Vista™ or Windows®7
Processor: Intel™ 2.4Ghz or similar
Hard disk space: 5,5 GB
RAM: 1GB
Video Card: NVIDIA® Geforce 8800 GT or , AMD® Radeon™ HD 3870 or higher (it must be able to
manage Pixel Shader 3.0) with at least 512MB of display memory.
Online Gaming: Broadband internet connection

Recommended requirements:

Processor: Intel™ Core 2 Duo / AMD™ Athlon 64 X2 or higher
RAM: 2 GB on Windows®XP™, 3 GB on Windows®Vista™ and 4 GB on Windows®7
Screen: 19" LCD Wide Screen or bigger.
Video card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ series 9000 or higher, AMD® Radeon™ HD4000 series or higher (it must be able to manage Pixel Shader 3.0) with at least 1GB of display memory.

Laptop versions of these cards are not fully supported

Supported peripherals:

Xbox 360 Controller
Xbox 360 Wireless Racing Wheel with Force Feedback
Logitech Driving Force GT
Logitech Driving Force Pro
Logitech G25
Logitech G27
Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S
Fanatec Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2
Fanatec ClubSport Pedals
Thrustmaster Ferrari F430 force feedback
Thrustmaster RGT Force Feedback Clutch Racing Wheel
Thrustmaster Ferrari GT Experience 3 in 1
Thrustmaster T500 RS
Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 Italia
more tbc

[AndyPQube]

Het Andy, what exactly the Combo Contest Is?
Discription says: 'Mixes two or more mechanics from the other challenges' but can't really figure It out...
Can you be a little more specific?
I (think) this is when they combine multiple challenges into one challenge! It sounds exciting to me!

[bennizw]

Any news on the clutch and h-shift support Andy?

[AndyPQube]

Any news on the clutch and h-shift support Andy?
There will be no support for this. There's an almost endless list of improvements they have made over WRC 2, but this isn't one of them I am afraid.

[bennizw]

That is sad, and very weird considering this is a game which is best driven with a wheel. We are in 2012, all racing games have this support today... Will you ask if this can be included in a future patch?

[Astro83]

The "clutch problems" and other improvments must be done in wrc4 but I hope and I think it will (?) if we look at what the guys have done with this game compared to the other horrible wrc games...

That's sad that clutch is not supported in wrc 3 but they show as I sad before, that they have a clear goal with this games!

It think that we sould start a WRC 4 thread before next year to discuss the future improvments that we would love to see in this future series... I think it's the only way to communicate with the developers! And I have allready seen that they listnen and change some things for wrc 3 that we had discuss/hoped to see, so that's really good!

I think this is going to be great and absolutly it will be great in future and hopfully allready to wrc 4! :)

Andy: Do you know if Milestone gets some $$$ from the WRC promotor? In this case in future now that gladly, it's promoted buy the big and rich company Red Bull??

If that's the case, then I think Milestone will do some as kicking rally games in the future. Because - it's all about the money! ;) to get axsess to good "programs" and other gamebuilding stuff that I can not describe in english! ;)

[Bruce D]

Andy, thanks for that! Mega! My system meets the recommended specs, let alone the minimum specs. Definately gonna get this one then! :D

[lcd]

PC requirements look allright ;) Thanks for replying Andy.

[AndyPQube]

Andy: Do you know if Milestone gets some $$$ from the WRC promotor? In this case in future now that gladly, it's promoted buy the big and rich company Red Bull??

I doubt it - it's probably the other way if anything :)

[Astro83]

Okey, yes of course, I'm stupid ;)

Do you andy have a pic from the inside of the Mini WRC?

Is there a pic of the Mini S2000?

Can we use for example the Mini S2000 and the Peugeot 207 S2000 in singel stage mode??

Can you Andy explain the championship mode when we drove the whole WRC. Is it a good mode!? Have never played it?
Is there any improvements from last 2 games in championship mode??

For us sim fans, should you Andy recommend championship mode or road to glory??

[Rally-eMag]

Can't wait to get my hands on it to see if they finally created the game I always wanted this to be, just one more week.... The first two were major disappointments, due to the arcade feel and ugly graphics. I guess it will remain a dream that they ever build something like Richard Burns Rally again, but if it feels like the first 3 Colin McRae games, I'm a happy man.

[lcd]

My guess Is that WRC3 will be added In my personal Best Rally Games list of all times:

-Colin Mcrae rally 2.0
-WRC4 PS2
-Richard Burns Rally
-WRC3 (2012)

[Astro83]

This is mine:

-RBR
-WRC 3
-And nothing....

If the physics and the car SOUND and champ mode will be realistic and good for WRC 4 then RBR will be on second place!

Rbr :s physics is nice as hell as in original game mod but with all the updates most of the new cars physics is absolutly to hard and not realistic at all but the sound is great, I have a swedish co-driver, the sound is good, the sound is good to great but with todays tec I think Milestone can do better if they really want!

No, RBR is a great game but not so good as some boys will think. Drive some 4wd and 2wd rallycars and play RBR again, then you will see that the physics in that game is too hard in most of the cars...

WRC 4 will take RBR.... :p

[lcd]

RBR was 100% based on the feedback of Richard Burns himself.
It's mostly a game designed by a rally driver than a gaming company. ;)
Now back to topic or move on to RBR thread! :p

[AndyPQube]

Okey, yes of course, I'm stupid ;)

Do you andy have a pic from the inside of the Mini WRC?

Is there a pic of the Mini S2000?

Can we use for example the Mini S2000 and the Peugeot 207 S2000 in singel stage mode??

Can you Andy explain the championship mode when we drove the whole WRC. Is it a good mode!? Have never played it?
Is there any improvements from last 2 games in championship mode??

For us sim fans, should you Andy recommend championship mode or road to glory??

I don't have any additional images/pics.

I think you can use all of the cars (except the 1964 MINI, if you have pre-ordered) in the single stages.

I would definitely recommend the Championship for the "sim fans". This is the mode I am playing through at the moment and it is fantastic! I'm about halfway through and the variety in the stages is the most notable thing. In other racing games I have used the same driving "style" through every track. With WRC 3 I have had to adapt my driving style to each track and specific stage, it's very challenging and I think that is a major positive over some of the other competing titles (where you can just go "flat out" the whole time, win by 2 minutes gap and not even think about the kind of terrain or track layout you are racing on).

The Road To Glory is still a great mode - it gives you "hardcore" guys something to play after you have finished the Championship and gives the more casual gamers something different from the "point to point" rally.

It is worth making clear that it is 2 separate modes - if you just want to play "hardcore rally", you don't even need to look at the Road To Glory mode and you still have a huge career mode to play through.

- Andy

[Hazza555)]

I think that RBR is so hard because it literally just throws you in the deep end. 300 BHP, 4WD, narrow stages, realistic physics. It was never going to be easy. such a realistic game, needed a realistic introduction to ease the learning curve.

I love taking the 205 GTi for spin. you really can just floor it. the limit seems to be never-ending. great car to learn RBR in. especially tarmac

[Astro83]

Oh great answear Andy! Thank you!

One week to go and I can't wait! ;) I'm in Rome in Italy when the game comes to my mailbox back at home in Sweden so next weekend I will play some WRC 3 all night long! :D

Oh yes LCD, I know that RBR is off topic ;) but I need to compered with that game sometimes and I only saying that the game - RBR is'nt that good anymore when all the modds have came the physics is not so realistic anymore and I only saying that Milestone will beat that game in the future.. ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

MEXICO VIDEO!!!

Rally Guanajuato Mexico Gameplay Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2kUUjCrSg)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Actually, watching the exhaust of the MINI... the flames don't come from the Exhaust.... hrmmmmmm can you spot this too?

[xX Jojje Xx]

Great video !

Many negative comments on youtube. :confused:
I think it looks great and most importantly the handling ( in the demo ) is spot on..for me!
I have compared the sound to the linked video( real sound ) and of course this sounds nothing like it.
But while driving the demo I think the sound is ok,nothing that bothers me during the race.
Want this game NOW ! :p :)

Jojje

[Astro83]

Really nice, the Mini looks like the nice Mini that it is! :p the stage is going to look absolutly beautiful on my PC next weekend! :)

The sound is far from good but it's A LOT better then previews games and can only be better but I can absolutly play and smile with this beautiful and I think, very satisfying rally kind of sim! ;)

Really good job at Milestone! Very big improvments! :)

[bennizw]

To me it seems as so the car is extremely grippy on the gravel. There is almost no powersliding at all?

[lcd]

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[pettersolberg29]

Finland stage looks nice, the physics look much poorer than it felt on the demo

[bennizw]

Have the sound technicians been drunk while making this game? The C2R2, Lancer and the Proton sound absolutely horrible! I had really got my hopes up for the final product, but it seems they have done almost nothing sound wise from last year.

[lcd]

It's possitive each class has Its own sounds though.

[bennizw]

I think that is the least we can expect from the game, that the car classes have their own sounds. They have an exclusive license, and should make the very most of it! Come on LCD, up your expectations and demands a little bit ;)

[lcd]

A little off topic, but Important news:

WRCgame Greek Fans facebook community are rallying with WRC3 In a real rally event
supporting crew Hlias Kolokythas-Nikos Ntovas with a Ford Escort MK2 at 1st Meteora Rocks Rally Sprint this weekend 6-7 October (GREECE)!

http://i47.tinypic.com/x7gk4.jpg

[Astro83]

Now that I look at this videos I think that the game is going to be as we sad before, really good, the graphics will be really good, the cars is more or less really beautiful done! The cars looks like they do in real more or less and that's good!

The thing Milestone really has to rebuilt and think really hard how it has being this bad is the sound of cars. I can't understand this when everybody say that this is live-recorded??????????????

The sound of the Proton, DS3 WRC, Evo 9, Clio, Fiesta WRC is good when the car stand still in the start of stage when the player not accelerate the engine - then I really hear the individual sound of each and every car. There all is good BUT as we accelerate away and the car is "working" in full speed, something happends and the sound of each and every car "dies" and sounds the same?? why???

I hear that every class has it "own" sound and that's good but it's not okey. As Bennizw sad - we need to have demands and this is the WRC license that Milestone have - they need to do better on the car sounds...

I can hear a little EVO sound from the Mitsubishi in full power and that's also good but it's much much more to do for the future of WRC 4! Because then, Milestone has had 3 games and a lot of time on their hands to fix this small things!

As Bennisw wrote, I only demand that all things in a WRC game is going to be as real as it can be in a game! And if Codemasters can do "okey" sounds, then I think Milestone with their "live recording" soundsystem can do much better then this! And when amatur people around the world can do almost perfect car sound for RBR, then Milestone can do it for the real WRC game!

For me it's okey if Milestone had say that they for WRC 3 had to prio the graphics, physics and other stuff instead of car sound. And if they had sad that the real sound had to wait for example the WRC 4 game. Then it's absolutely okey!
But don't say that "the sound now is going to be real and now we have live-recorded each and every car, inside and outside". That's a lie... ;)

This game is going to be great but I hope for much better improvements in all the things for next year! They need to step it up and not be satisfied...

Now when they have done really good stages in their "new" built rallys, then they need to fix the rest!

But I have said this before. Milestone has done a great work because we can no longer speak about the last two ****ty games when we talk about this one and that make me smile! They have done a good job but Bennizw is right!

Looking forward to next weekend!! :)

[bennizw]

Once again we agreed. The main problem is that Milestone are lying about their work. If they said that they have improved the sounds a little, it would have been OK. But, when they say they have recorded the actual cars, and results are as we hear, they are lying to our faces...

[Astro83]

Yes and that's a fact! Otherwise it would't be this way. I'm talking about this things because I think that the sound in a rally game is VERY important for the feeling. All of us real rallyfans want the true feeling with the sound and all the small details in the stages and more. It's very important for the whole concept.

The true rallyfeeling....

I only hope that Milestone will work hard on this for next game!


;)

[kirungi okwogera]

As someone who has done a little sound work for film and TV I can say it is entirely possible and likely that they are not "lying", and recorded the real cars inside and out and ended up with weak results - keep in mind the system must match the RPM, clutch, shifting, turbo noises to what you're actually doing in the game, so it is playing (ideally) a different sound file for every little gradation of RPM. This is very hard to switch between smoothly and sound responsive and correct. The easier way is to create loops and change the frequency (pitch up or down) instead of using a different loop for the many many steps between idle and redline RPM. The problem with this way is even if you started with a real sound, it ends up sounding synthesized because the computer is changing the frequency rather than using different sounds for each step of RPM. Perhaps that's it?

The other issue is reverberation simulation changing depending on if there's a rock wall on one side or the other, or both, or forest vs. open space, narrow village street, etc. I haven't heard enough of WRC3 to criticise that aspect, but Dirt 3 did both pretty well.

[AndyPQube]

As someone who has done a little sound work for film and TV I can say it is entirely possible and likely that they are not "lying", and recorded the real cars inside and out and ended up with weak results - keep in mind the system must match the RPM, clutch, shifting, turbo noises to what you're actually doing in the game, so it is playing (ideally) a different sound file for every little gradation of RPM. This is very hard to switch between smoothly and sound responsive and correct. The easier way is to create loops and change the frequency (pitch up or down) instead of using a different loop for the many many steps between idle and redline RPM. The problem with this way is even if you started with a real sound, it ends up sounding synthesized because the computer is changing the frequency rather than using different sounds for each step of RPM. Perhaps that's it?

The other issue is reverberation simulation changing depending on if there's a rock wall on one side or the other, or both, or forest vs. open space, narrow village street, etc. I haven't heard enough of WRC3 to criticise that aspect, but Dirt 3 did both pretty well.

Thank you. You put this way better than I could have.

The team definitely aren't lying to you (as far as I know!).

:)

- Andy

[Astro83]

Kirungi: You work with this, you seems to know what you're talking about, can you please explane for me and others who wonder...

How can the amatur people get almost perfect car sound, inside and outside for RBR and Codemasters get a okey/good sound for Dirt but Milestone can't??

What do you think is the diffrence? Why do they never succsess on this part of the game?

I cant understand this but want some answear from a guy like you who work with this! :)

For me it sounds easy for a team like codemasters and Milestone to get a Fiesta, DS3 and Mini WRC to sounds like real in a game when the amaturs almost fix this for a old game like RBR??

[Astro83]

I like what I see, I do not like what I hear!! :D ;) :)

[Astro83]

Lcd: Alan has put out a SSS stage. I can't put it on this forum! Only for info! ;)

[bennizw]

Sadly another disappointing engine sound. Sorry if I have been sounding extremely negative the past days, it's just that sound is such an important part in whether a rallying game is enjoyable or not.

[Astro83]

I can only agree with Bennizw but in this case I'm sure that I will enjoy WRC 3 anway but I will absolutly be enoyed by this sound! And It will drag down the whole thing a little bit.

They need to do much better, this game with some more details and great sound will be absolutly perfect!!

And I'm sure it will happend for WRC 4...

I cant think of any other way. If Milestone do this good from last game, they must dubbel up the greatness for the 4th game! ;)

Keep on working guys, this will beat the 90+ even with bad sound.. But it's a BIG thing for us rallyfans who LOVE how the beautiful car sounds!

[Plan9]

About the Mexico video: Very early lift off on the throttle, so just like Nobre in real life. The car does not have the flag on it, why is this? I think the JCW sounds like it did in WRC2. Standing stage side the car has a sharp bark and the anti-lag system causes a wooshing sound and fire from both exhausts, very unique and hard to describe and replicate. maybe too hard to reproduce?

[Plan9]

Can we use the 01B as well as the 01A? It would be a shame not to have both as in the first WRC game we could get the Focus WRC08 and 09 to compare differences.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can you all stop complaining about the sound? Seriously, have each and everyone of you sat inside a Rally car? yes you've heard them drive past and as we've had an explanation a few posts before.... when you sit inside a rally car.. I have on gravel, not only do you hear the engine rev's and noises in the helmet, and the co-driver, you hear the gravel racketing around... all over the place! Under your feet, in the wheel arches it's ridiculously LOUD! As equal or if not MORE louder then the engine noise! On the outside, yes we've all heard the cars start off and accelerate past us... but it IS difficult to replicate each driver/player pushing the car or braking and changing gear. Milestone have done a great job so far and they have plenty of time to fix things in more games to come! Did everyone complain when WRC1 came out before this 3rd version? How about the older series of the game?!

[bennizw]

Yes, I have sat in numerous rally cars, and know how it sounds from inside with the engine sound, gravel, intercom etc. My point is: If Codemasters could replicate amazing engine sounds for DIRT 3, why can only Milestone manage sounds we'd expect from the 90's for WRC3? The fact is that the older series of the game (with Evolution studios between 2001 and 2005), actually had good engine sounds considering the time period they were brought out - therefore there wasn't much complaining on that regard.

[Astro83]

Gigi:

Yes, I have... For a very, very long time...

And no, the sound is really poor.
It's not realistic....

It's a very big thing for the whole experience....

You have right, Milestone has done a fantastic job, but NOT with the sound...

And when other people can sit at home and fix great sound for a very old rallygame, and when Milestone have a WRC-license and said that the sound for WRC 3 is now going to be realistic and "live-recorded".....

- Then we have a absolutly right to complain big time!

Listnen to the amatur who has fixed the sound for the 2011 Fiesta WRC in RBR2012...
That's some real ****, listnen to that sound from the inside. That is exactly how it sound inside the Fiesta WRC... And that guy do not own or work at a big develop office...

We have a absolutly right to put some demand on Milestone when they have the license...

The sound is a very very big thing for most of the fans, the sound create the true realism and the goddies to our ears! ;)

[lcd]

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Request: Some of you have already made pretty clear your thoughts on the sounds Issue.
Please don't post the same things again and again, post after post. It's getting quite boring
for visitors to come here and read the same things day after day ;) There must be some more things
about the game you'd like to discuss...

[Astro83]

Lcd: Okey, yes there was one more thing... The SOUNDS of the birds.... ;) ;) ;)

I will stop, but I just get going when someone says that the ***** is good... That's just get me going... :D

But thanks for the vids! Very very kind of you! :)

[bennizw]

Fine, we'll let the sound issue lay dead for now - untill someone says it's good again ;) I hope Milestone have taken the point that this needs immence improvement for WRC 4.

[bennizw]

By the way LCD: Would you make a setup thread for WRC 3 for when it releases? It would be interesting to share setups and see how we can make the cars handle as realistic as possible. I am sure a fair bit can be done.

[xX Jojje Xx]

By the way LCD: Would you make a setup thread for WRC 3 for when it releases? It would be interesting to share setups and see how we can make the cars handle as realistic as possible. I am sure a fair bit can be done.

Sounds like a good idea :)

Jojje

[GigiGalliNo1]

I understand it guys =)

[Astro83]

I understand it guys =)

I know you know... ;) But that thing with the S***D makes me go nuts... :P
I played the demo a little bit more on my PS3 and I can't really wait for my PC version to come home next weekend! It's going to be really good! Nice physics I can tell when playing with no "help".. It's going to be cool with my G27! :P

Nice graphics and nice stages... I will love to drive Sordos Mini! :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

I wanna drive the VW :D See if it's like my new Polo GTI tehehehehehehe

[Astro83]

I wanna drive the VW :D See if it's like my new Polo GTI tehehehehehehe

Hehe! Probably not but who knows! :D It's going to be crazy fun! I have looking forward to this for a long time now...

Do Andy or someone know if we in this forum can drove our own rally or championship online as a "locked championship or rally" or is everything open for everyone as in Dirt 3??

It would be so cool if that option was able to do!?


I personally will first drive the championship in single player mod to get good control of stages and my driving style before I challenge you guys! :P

[GigiGalliNo1]

Of course we will all drive our selves and then compete!

Question to the man who know. I forgot your name. I'm in Australia, can I order the game and will it work here? PAL version for Xbox 360?

Also I love all the options on which WRC car to use! (see VW video above!)

[bennizw]

A couple of new videos from some of the SSS stages:

WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally de México SSS - HD 720p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpraktqpTM)

WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally de Suecia SSS - HD 720p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnFD9ghHAY)

WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally Alemania SSS - HD 720p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AnjdoPdI-Q)

WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally Argentina SSS - HD 720p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ca1dbiIpus)


One showing the photo

WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Photo Mode / Modo Foto - HD 720p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYGSAgzr0E)

[Astro83]

The best SSS is in Argentina.. Best effects! But why does not the cars going dirty as hell?? When all that mud sprays and the car is clean? That can't be like that in the final product??

But this is the SSS from WRC 2? I recognize them... :)
They have not do something to the SSS for wrc 3, right?

[bennizw]

No, the SSS's seem very much the same as in WRC 2. Too bad they haven't actually made them identical as in real life (ex. Karlstad SSS).

[Astro83]

No, the SSS's seem very much the same as in WRC 2. Too bad they haven't actually made them identical as in real life (ex. Karlstad SSS).


Yea, I agree but it will happend for next year?? :) ;) The SSS from wrc 2 is so boring so I will not play them if I not must in championship mode or something...

[bennizw]

We'll see. If somebody from Milestone actually had been bothered to answer our questions, we'd be able to know. LCD: Another suggestion. How about we make a new thread for WRC 4 once WRC 3 has been released, so we can post suggestions for improvements for WRC 4 in one go? The earlier we give our feedback, the better the chances are that the improvements will be made for next years game.

[Astro83]

We'll see. If somebody from Milestone actually had been bothered to answer our questions, we'd be able to know. LCD: Another suggestion. How about we make a new thread for WRC 4 once WRC 3 has been released, so we can post suggestions for improvements for WRC 4 in one go? The earlier we give our feedback, the better the chances are that the improvements will be made for next years game.

I'v already sad this to LCD and I also hope that someone create a WRC 4 thread as fast as possible when WRC 3 is out in the stores and we played the game for some times to discuss future improvements.

Milestone is very bad to answear questions but now I hope for "andy" from UK to answear and provide Milestone with our suggestion improvements! ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

I hate the replays.. specially that Argentina SSS... Looks horrible!!!

Picture mode... another one for the kids!

[Astro83]

I really would like a heli/tv replay like in real. That would be awesome!

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

I am dissapointed that a forum moderator has tried to quell the obviouse distain put forward by simulation enthusiasts,if the internal and external engine sounds are not to they're liking surely this is the place to vent those concerns especially as there is a direct link to the developer through the UK distributor,as a person fortunate enough to compete in several national B rally events as co driver and was taken around the Cardiff super special stage in Richard Burns last competitive WRC car driven by Mark Higgins, I can tell you with confidence the sound is poor at best in trying to recreate the audio that comes from these fantastic machines.Please remember this is their third attempt at the WRC franchise and only now are we getting anywhere near a pure rally game that we can actually play that has a passing resemblance to the motor sport we love,This third instalment should have been the very least we should have expected from the first game and we should be now well on the way to toppling an ancient RBR game alas we are not,Even though we will soon be £100 + lighter in our wallets come friday.

[bennizw]

Well said!

[lcd]

The 'WRC3' thread Is for general discussion about the game. My aim Is to keep It Interesting for all
(members + visitors) and not recycle the same things over and over again.
Anyone wishes to discuss the WRC3 sound Issue only (or any other), please make a separate thread and do It!
No problem at all!

P.S. A 'WRC4 Wish list' thread will definitely open, some time after we get the whole picture about the game ;)

[Astro83]

LCD: regarding the WRC 4 thread, thanks!! Let it open in late november, begining of December, so we hopfully can pass on our discussion and improvement wishes to Milestone before they start to work and create the new game! :)

Regarding this thread. I can absolutely understand what you mean, I personally it's carying away and see "red" when the sound discussion starts and it's not funny to read the same things page down and page down but we must discuss it but I think we have done that now and if Milestone read this, then they hopfulley understands that many fans is not satisfyed yet! ;)

I will stop talking about it and now we soon can discuss the whole game and compete together!! :D

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

Yes indeed the WRC3 thread has been created for the general discussion of all aspects of the game,including the SOUND which is the SECOND most important aspect of any motor sport simulation video game only beaten by the physics handling model,So this is indeed the right place to DISCUSS the relevant issues with the poor sound for existing members and visitors alike, For the overall immersion of any video game to work you need to feel that all your senses are being attacked from all relevant inputs from the force feedback wrenching at your wrists from your steering wheel (GT500) to the enveloping sounds of your cars engine straining as it comes near its limits, To the road and tyre sounds that give you vital clues as to where the traction is gained and lost to keep the momentum of your car flat out through the stage to obtain the fastest possible time.So please let us mere mortals have our gripes and groans about the poor SOUND aspect within the WRC3 game thread from your lofty position MR moderator.PS now ive had my rant about freedom of speech looking forward to any set up tips next week and possible time comparisons can't quite get my head around the sub 4minute times on the demo stage can only manage 4:16s funny how no one shows them actually playing and and the options used.

[Astro83]

Wrc focus:

One thing is sure, I can't belive how someone with a handcontrol on a console can drive the singel stage in the demo version around 4min (4.01-0.4) with NO helpsetups engage! Thats respect!

With a good steering wheel, absolutley but with a handcontrol and no "help"... :O

No feeling at all but respect if it's possible! :P

[xX Jojje Xx]

I hope they follow Forza leaderboards, where you can see if they used assists or not.

Jojje

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

Totally agree Astro83 can't understand how the cars look so stable whilst apparently using a hand controller and no driver aids doesn't look right to me,ive driven the stage dozens of times with a wheel and with the increase in speed with the higher gear needed to try and match their speed the cars become naturally unstable more so than shown on the videos,i have tried to follow their lines not that they are really anything different but can't carry as much speed as they seem to be to achieve such times.

[xX Jojje Xx]

Totally agree Astro83 can't understand how the cars look so stable whilst apparently using a hand controller and no driver aids doesn't look right to me,ive driven the stage dozens of times with a wheel and with the increase in speed with the higher gear needed to try and match their speed the cars become naturally unstable more so than shown on the videos,i have tried to follow their lines not that they are really anything different but can't carry as much speed as they seem to be to achieve such times.

I asked the same question in the demo thread.
The car is not that stable with assists off..but perhaps they know something we don't ;)

Jojje

[Astro83]

Wrc focus & Jojje: We are on to them now!!! Mohahaha ;)

Wrc focus: When you play with the wheel, do you think that the demo version has good physics??

I think that it's promesing when I cant get good "control" when I play with no assists and a handcontrol...

I would be nice to hear if you think that the not finish demo version has good physics? Then the realise version must be even better! ;)

I even hear that Alan in Team VVV had sad that in PC version, we can use any steeringlock we want on our wheel. That's really really nice!!

But for you guyes who play on consoles, the lock will be set on 300.

I really really hope that they succeed with the physics in this game! :O

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

Astro83 I believe the physics model in this current demo is what we will get in the finished game,Which to me is a good thing as this is what has completely changed our (simulation rally game fans) minds towards the franchise after such poor performances in all aspects of the first two iterations of the game,i cant even mention the first game as it went in the bin after about ninety minutes,the second game lasted considerably longer due to the fact it played with the T500 on ps3 and some small improvements to the overall gameplay especially the handling model,back to your original question for me the most significant improvements within gameplay with the steering wheel is the force feedback which has ten times the strengh over the other games and the ability to be adjusted which is fantastic for all the wheels available for the title,I like the feedback load sensation through the wheel using lift-off oversteer and other sensations felt through tyre load but feel there is lots of room for improvement as there is so much of the surface sensation missing,there needs to be road camber,ruts,rocks divets etc seen and hidden and all felt through the wheels feedback in the future which may sound obssesive but achievable with todays technology after all this is why we hand over our hard earned cash to immerse ourselves in simulation as close to the real adrenalin fuelled Motorsport that we love as possible.

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

Jojje i tried the demo with all aids on with the ps3 controller (being a seasoned wheel gamer) not my thing and i equalled my wheel times easily and the replays looked just as stable as the other vids,so with a lot of practise maybe they can do it ????????????

[xX Jojje Xx]

Jojje i tried the demo with all aids on with the ps3 controller (being a seasoned wheel gamer) not my thing and i equalled my wheel times easily and the replays looked just as stable as the other vids,so with a lot of practise maybe they can do it ????????????

I dont ever use assists but I also tried it.
It's just that the car behaves so different and it's almost like on rails.
Just as most ( or all ) of the sub 4 videos that I have seen.
But as you say,perhaps they are that good.
We just have to keep practicing.. :)

Jojje

[Astro83]

Wrc focus live:

Okey, Thanks for the good answear!
If I understod you right, so is the physics really good with a decent wheel? Good force feedback and more...

But is it no feeling in the wheel when you going over a crest and jumps?? And when the road is poor do you not feel this either??

I agree with you, I didnt even play the last to games because it was soooo badly developt, no feeling at all, that was not rallygames...

This will be so much better but indeed, it's need much more improvements for WRC 4 but I think this game will be great and I can stop playing the old RBR.. ;)

[lcd]

Challenges look quite Interesting afterall. The courses may be short, but technical!
Gates revealed just some meter before you approach them; this Is a nice Innovation ;)

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[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

LCD,nice early videos of the mini games, the Top Rally stage section looks fantastic to drive wonder if its part of the actual event stage or just something made for the mini games ?

[lcd]

Looks like challenges courses, are sections taken from the 'actual' event stages.

Meanwhile, watch carefully this video: Looks that Mexico, Argentina and Germany have 7 stages each (6 special stages+1 super special)

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[xX Jojje Xx]

Totally agree,that Mexican stage look absolutely amazing :)

Jojje

[Astro83]

Wrc focus live:

Did you see my answear to you and some new questions for you about the physics? ;)
It's over the newest videos on last page...

Lcd:

The last video to see that the game has 7 SS didnt work. Youtube cant open it.


It is looking very good. I good thing about the S***D is that every car has it's own sound! :)
The stages in "contest" is sections from "singel stage" mod.

As long as the Championship mode is a real and realistic rally game/sim mode then this "contest" will be a fun thing to do between the rounds in the importent championship! :D

I dont think that this "contest" mode/ road to glory is a bad move from Milestone as long as the real wrc championship mode is just as real as it gets!!

[lcd]

...The last video to see that the game has 7 SS didnt work. Youtube cant open it.!

That's strange. I am watching It right now...

e.g Mexico:

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ss3.Comanjilla
ss4.Los Mexicanos
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[Astro83]

I have seen the video now, Sweden and Portugal also have SSS.

To bad that it's not the real SSS taken from real life. It's the SSS from the fantasy make WRC 2.

But I hope that they make all new stages who is like the real thing for WRC 4. And also "power stages".

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

LCD, nice video again and it gives a clearer picture as to what were getting, Astro83 the physics model in the demo is fun and forceful with the Thrustmaster t500rs on the Ps3 there is good strong feedback when you steer quickly with tyre load on both tarmac and gravel with decent sensations under braking but its the small detailed input from the road surface it-self that is missing especially on gravel with very little feeling biased towards momentum over gravel or pot-holes, cambers,rocks and jumps,if you compare it with say Dirt3 (in my opinion) Dirt has the better overall feedback sensations but WRC3 has a more realistic handling model,the console titles are far less developed that the PC version so that could be a whole lot better regarding the overall driving experience.

[bennizw]

Am I the only one who thinks the cars seem a little too grippy on gravel? I especially get the feeling of this when seeing the car from behind.

[Astro83]

Wrc focus live:

Thanks for your answear! :D
Okey that sounds very intresting and I'm glad to read this, and I hope very much that I feel the same when I get to try this on my PC with my custom built G27! Intresting as I say! :)

But it's very important that it's a good feeling on gravel, the momentum and feeling that you acculy drive on a gravel road!
But if the overall feeling is much better then dirt, then I think it's going to be really good and for WRC 4 with even more development it's going to be perfect!!

Bennizw: sometimes I think the same but I can get som long drifts on the demo, but it's all up to the speed! ;) And today, it's much faster to go with a lot of understeering on gravel to! ;)
But with a steeringwheel you will get some good slides.. :)

[lcd]

Am I the only one who thinks the cars seem a little too grippy on gravel? I especially get the feeling of this when seeing the car from behind.

Based on Alan's videos, looks that grip depends on each countries surface. Mexico Is more grippy than Italy for example but less than Wales or Sweden. Alan has stated there Is an obvious change of car's peformance, each time the rooad surface changes.

[Astro83]

Yes and that's good and real!
I hope that Rally Sweden is very grippy because on snow and Ice with snow tires for rally, it's a really really good grip, almost and can be much better grip then on gravel. IF you drive in the "trail" (?) after the other cars...

I hate all rallygames, even RBR with stages on snow, because the grip on snow is so unreal in all games I'v tried. I hope WRC 3 is better! :D

[Integrale]

I got it, a day early!

Very good so far.

[AndyPQube]

Glad you are enjoying it! I'll hopefully see you on the leader boards, I am "PainMachine13" for reference. It doesn't have the same ring to it in racing games as it does in FPS games...

[lcd]

Games arrived!!!

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[Bruce D]

LCD I'm so cheesed, I can't afford just the Pc version and you've got the PC & Xbox versions!

Seriously noticed how all the forums and facebook pages have gone very quiet, I presume everyone is enjoying the game! ;)

[MrJan]

LCD I'm so cheesed, I can't afford just the Pc version and you've got the PC & Xbox versions!

Seriously noticed how all the forums and facebook pages have gone very quiet, I presume everyone is enjoying the game! ;)

Nah, I pre-ordered with Amazon so I probably won't receive it before Christmas ;)

[Astro83]

I'm in Rome just now and will be back on Saturday, back home to my PC version.

Can someone who play the game tell us how it is, the good and less good things?? :D

I can't wait, but I would love to hear your oppinion on the game so far! :)

[bennizw]

I'm getting the game tomorrow, no stores would sell it to me the day before release, even though they had it in stock :)

[bennizw]

Now that you've got the game LCD, are there improvements to the car sounds or not?

[lcd]

The sounds need more work, but the game In general Is the most solid rally game we've seen, since the CRM series died ( In 2005), WRC3,4 PS2 and RBR. If you consider yourself a rally fan /gamer, get this game and support It! Don't believe youtbe; It's so misleading!

Here's some real proof:

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[Plan9]

Yes I am loving WRC3. It is hard. I have put it on full difficulty, no restarts, no driver aids and I am thrashing it with Nobre. No points yet but I am so happy ot just be able to experience the different rally surfaces. Playing the game has actually made me appreciate the real WRC more as I now notice the different styles of event and how they are pared together. For example, Argentina and Greece are together and favour endurance style driving where as NZ and Finland are flat out. I don't like the sound of the cars (especailly the Mini as I love it) and I am sad not to have the 01B but other than that I would give the game a good 8 out of 10. Keep it up!

Other members: Lets do a championship together and compare results?!

[Plan9]

1 issue: I pre-ordered and I did not get a code for the Mini Cooper S. How can I get this? Or is someone willing to spill and share? lol

[Astro83]

Thanks guys! It's so fun to hear! I'm glad to hear that this became a real and good rallygame!

Now I really can't wait for tomorrow!!! :)

How is the championship mode. A true rallyfan mode??? ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Plan9 did you buy the game in nZ?

[lcd]

Each car has Its own sound and most Important- handling and performance.
Have noticed huge differences between Proton, Honda Civic and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 (Road to glory)
Stages are probably the best ever seen In a rally game (Including RBR). Very narrow, with many bumps, blind crests and many, many tight turns and hairpins. Also there Is a great variety In altitude. The Argentina and NZ forest sections are unbelieveable!!! The carrer Is much more Interesting without boring repeatitions In stages/countries! There will be definitely much more things to discuss! This game will last for many months!

[liposh]

I have downloaded the WRC3 PC demo yesterday, played for one hour and then deleted from my hard drive. Not bad but in most of points it is little bit worse than RBR (I mean RBR with all those extras made by users) Cost of RBR is 2,- Eur

[spyros]

We need more news reviews about the game,i want to know more about physics and car settings.

[EightGear]

Seriously? A maximum of 180 degrees of rotation with a wheel!? What a joke! It is UNDRIVEABLE like that! :(

If Milestone can't even sort out simple thing like that, I seriously doubt what on earth they have been doing thepast 3 years... Unbelievable.

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC3 release in Australia on Oct 25!! Crap!

[xX Jojje Xx]

Milestone..thank's for a great game!
This is the best rallying experience I have ever played..
When playing a game the most impotand thing ( for me ) is the fun factor..
I have been playing games for a long time..really long time ;) and this is the best and most fun rallying game..no doubt!
Argentina,NZ,Greece..Italy Amazing :)

The graphics on Xbox are great can't image how it will look on high end pc.
The sound..most discussed issue... I think is ok!
I have been playing with Microsoft Xbox wheel..and it's working super!

No Assist!

Jojje

[bennizw]

Had an hour and a half with the game today - not bad! The physics are ok, allthough I find certain surfaces too grippy. Also irritated by the too grippy grass in hairpins which somehow nearly seem to put the car in neutral. Graphics are good, but I am still let down by the sounds of most cars. The sound of the Civic wasn't too bad actually. Also missing to be able to use the clutch and h-shift gearbox, hoping for a fix for this!

[xX Jojje Xx]

Had an hour and a half with the game today - not bad! The physics are ok, allthough I find certain surfaces too grippy. Also irritated by the too grippy grass in hairpins which somehow nearly seem to put the car in neutral. Graphics are good, but I am still let down by the sounds of most cars. The sound of the Civic wasn't too bad actually. Also missing to be able to use the clutch and h-shift gearbox, hoping for a fix for this!


Which surfaces?

Jojje

[A FONDO]

Just started a full season with the Polo. Monte Carlo is really amazing, Mexico is very good, Sweden is the same stages but wider with no bumps and stones outside, Portugal is stupid. Generally the roads are narrow as they should be, but still there are some parts with huge cuts possible. The engine sounds are way more realistic. The handling seems pretty easy even though I'm playing with keyboard, sometimes I post green splits or top 3 times with 2-3 crashes (all this on default difficulty at medium opponents' strength bar and no rewind). I love the long stages, all I need is somebody make a mod for infinite loops. About the graphics, well the dust/snow/tyre smoke particles are quite poor - very saturated in the beginning and quickly vanishing completely. Tyre marks on tarmac are also unnatural, like drawed with big black paintbrushes. BTW I couldnt find a way to return to the main menu when in a rally, only Alt+F4 works.

[Astro83]

Glad to hear all of the good comments about the game! Really nice to hear!

Tomorrow will be the day! :)

[kirungi okwogera]

Kirungi: You work with this, you seems to know what you're talking about, can you please explane for me and others who wonder...

How can the amatur people get almost perfect car sound, inside and outside for RBR and Codemasters get a okey/good sound for Dirt but Milestone can't??

What do you think is the diffrence? Why do they never succsess on this part of the game?

I cant understand this but want some answear from a guy like you who work with this! :)

For me it sounds easy for a team like codemasters and Milestone to get a Fiesta, DS3 and Mini WRC to sounds like real in a game when the amaturs almost fix this for a old game like RBR??

Apologies for the late response - everyone's enjoying the game now anyway but I thought I'd add my response to this complaint as I would guess it.

I can't say for sure (I've never done game sound, only film/tv), but I presume that a software team might have dozens of artists, many physics programmers, etc. but perhaps not a large sound design crew. If you get a guy who is great with recording tyre noises, crowd noises, atmospherics, etc. but doesn't have a touch, or a natural ear, for in-car engine audio, you might not have the budget to get someone else. A really obsessed fan working on a patch for RBR is doing it for passion with no deadline and nothing else they're required to do for the game... it's a different situation. I've seen videos of almost flawless sounding pacenotes in Daniel Elena's real voice on RBR! How much Loeb onboard video would you have to download, listen to, cut up, programme in... Passion can create great details but passion alone doesn't make 100+ people coordinate to make a unified, large final product like Dirt or WRC3 - or in my case, a finished film. You need paid professionals with a schedule and a deadline and a budget. That creates great potential results but it does force decisions on where to limit your resources!

I've just spoken to so many people who work on a project like this and you ask them about a problem that everybody knows about, a problem they were involved in, even, and they will NEVER look at you confused and say "wow, I thought we'd done a great job on that! I'm amazed audiences had that reaction!". They will ALWAYS say "yes, I knew about this problem, wanted to make it better and spend more time, and I did everything I could with the time and resources we had - I told the bosses it needed to be better, blah blah blah, and it was finally decided we couldn't delay things/blow the budget/whatever just to fix it! It's so frustrating!"

All that said, I hope for a patch or fan-mod, but I will definitely be buying this game to reward Milestone's passion AND coordination in the many other important aspects that everybody seems to be really liking! I can only congratulate them for developing and improving every iteration of the game.

Finally I've also driven a rally car and I definitely remember the gravel and road noise being much more noticeable that the engine noise. It is there no doubt but the suspension, tyres, gravel hitting the bodywork and notes in your headset are the biggest things I noticed.

[steveggz]

Just played the pc demo. Love the graphics. Without FSAA I am getting stable 120 frames per second and my 120hz monitor. Which, by the way, looks beautiful. One major improvement from 2010 (never played 2011) is that when you don't use FSAA (anti-aliasing) the game doesn't force edge smoothing which made the first game look terrible. I rather have the clean crips look than edge smoothing.

As for the gameplay... I'm not to impressed. I think 2010 played a lot more realistic and I find 2012 to be arcade like. Just because 2012 is harder control doesn't mean it's more like a simulation. And another thing I don't like is how the camera shakes with the car when using the ouside rear view. The camera should only shake when your inside or front view.

I hope they don't add or force edge smoothing in the official game. I also hope they fix those issues I mentioned maybe with a patch.

[Plan9]

Plan9 did you buy the game in nZ? Yes. I have the game now. Just done my first season. Came 12th with no assists and full AI difficulty. Now doing season 2 with Armindo. I still want the Cooper S code though...

[Astro83]

Kirungi: Thank's, good answear!

[lcd]

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[pettersolberg29]

Excellent video LCD - I haven't been able to play it yet but after seeing that video it looks like there's been a pretty big improvement (though Sweden looked identical). I can't wait to get my hands on it!

[bennizw]

I have only been playing the career mode so far, but yes, Sweden and Germany are still identical to the first and second game! Extremely boring and wide stages which i usually skip. Can't believe they have done nothing to them since the first game. This goes for all rallies, exept those that have had revamp.

[Astro83]

Hej Andy / Milestone!

Just installed WRC 3 on my high end PC! It looks like a great game!!

BUT it's a MAJOR BUGG in the menus of the game! Look at this and please fix a update very soon!

It's a frustrating thing to have!

I will play the game much more and then I will write a revview of the game! ;)

But please Andy / Milestone. Fix the bug in the menu!!

[bennizw]

There are a lot of bugs on the PS3 version too. The game freezes now and then, the head to head event i France can't be played as the car just drifts backwards from the startline and goes no where, no engine sound on the Renault R2, and various graphical glitches. The sound also cracks up totally now and then, and that's beside it being extremely poor from before.

[xX Jojje Xx]

Astro83: Looking forward to your review :)

No bugs on the 360 so far.
Loving the game!

Jojje

[daguru]

Hi all,
Im new here but have followed this thread from the begining,
i have it on pc, first of all they have done a great job on this (not an RBR beater)but very good all the same the more i play the more i like it however theres some bugs first of all im using logitech g27 and the pedals dont work to move the car setup tabs anyone else find this? the arrow keys dont always work in the menus and the biggest of all you cant use multiple controllers i have an homemade e brake out of a old joystick which can be configured in RBR,rfactor well all the best sims out there but not this if anyones got a fix for the probs i got plz plz let me know cheers
Dag

[lcd]

Welcome daguru! Hope you get some help round here!
Sadly, I use the xbox controller, so not familiar to wheels (Though I used to, but that was a long time ago :p )

[EightGear]

I'm doing a season with Neuville. Somehow I can't get the AI to be on the hardest difficulty, so I've got it setup on the almost-hardest difficulty now. :P

Monte Carlo was quite an easy win, Sweden I also won. But Mexco and Portugal were harder! Now in Argentina I'm only 5th after 5 stages.

The physics aren't really special, but the AI is quite hard to beat. That's what makes it a lot more fun because I won't play it just for the driving fun.

Must say though, the Argentinian stages are amazing!

[Astro83]

Like Dag says... I have similar problems! And the menu lags as hell but the game does not!

And no, my PC fix this game easily... ;)

I really hope Milestone or Andy read this soon so the can fix this with an update!!

An example, when I push F2 to setup my G27 for feed forceback and more I cant shift between all the options with arrow-keys and so on! And the menu lags like hell as I say! ;)

Fix it...

Jojje: It will come as soon as I have played it a wile so I can talk about it in a good way! ;)

[Astro83]

Force feedback.... :D not feed forceback... Haha I'm tired...

[bennizw]

Astro! Post this in the WRC3 bug thread I just made :)

[Astro83]

Bennizw:

It's done! ;)

[daguru]

Hi all,
Im new here but have followed this thread from the begining,
i have it on pc, first of all they have done a great job on this (not an RBR beater)but very good all the same the more i play the more i like it however theres some bugs first of all im using logitech g27 and the pedals dont work to move the car setup tabs anyone else find this? the arrow keys dont always work in the menus and the biggest of all you cant use multiple controllers i have an homemade e brake out of a old joystick which can be configured in RBR,rfactor well all the best sims out there but not this if anyones got a fix for the probs i got plz plz let me know cheers
Dag


Hi i know im answering my own question but i fixed one of the problems i unpluged all my usb input devices (i have a logitech g13 and logitech extreme 3d pro) and in the car setup menu pedal scroll left and right now work i can finally play about with the car setup whoop whoop !!!!!!

[A FONDO]

I just had a nice flight in the finnish forest :D isnt it funny without the rear bumper - http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/7c87526fd27cd8f0ece36c247b19976a.jpg

Must add that all of the rallies after Portugal are pretty amazing!

[EightGear]

Forgot to mention: It's not very realistic. Latvala only crashed for the first time in Portugal.

[Astro83]

Eightgear:

What do you mean? What in the game is not realistic?

Are you meaning that the AI does not "DNF" as much like in real??

[bennizw]

By the way: Isn't it possible to drive the car classes in Road to Glory (2000's, 90's, 80's etc.) in WRC Experience, Single stage, rally and championship? What's the point with so many cars when you only can drive them in a certain game mode?

[GigiGalliNo1]

I would love another game like I mentioned before V-Rally3!

You play career mood, 10 seasons from 2000 to 2011 or something an move from team to team car to car and the cars go in era of Focus to fiesta or 206 to 307 and so on, Subaru from sedan to hatch, to Evo WRC to WRC05 and Octavia to Fabia.!

I don't necessarily want to play one year season! Oh man, what a dream!

[bennizw]

I know GigiGalliNo1! For me that was the best career mode to date in a rallying game. Milestone should follow up on that :)

[EightGear]

Eightgear:

What do you mean? What in the game is not realistic?

Are you meaning that the AI does not "DNF" as much like in real??

Yes. Usually Latvala crashes a lot more. :D

Now with the news Ford is quitting WRC today, I don't really mind if all Ford's are destroyed. :P

[Astro83]

Eightgear:

Yes I agree! Latvala was good on that thing this year, to crash out sadly.. ;)
But I have only start a championship round last night in a N14 STI and only completed Monte Carlo... So I cant say anything about the AI besides they are very competetiv on the hardest level witch is great!! I ended up in 8th place in the class with some misstakes...

It was like having sex when a look at that rally with Milestones new graphic and stagebuilding.. Very very very good graphic and effects!! I will set my "grade" at this game later when I have played the game much more and I will discuss all the good and bad things then and hopfully in a new WRC 4 thread... ;)

WRC 3 looks to me as a 87-90+ rallygame to me and I'm really hyped about it! Have waited a long time now. It beats Dirt 3 easy! If you are a rallyfan and not a K Block skate redneck from the states... ;)

[lcd]

In case you haven't discovered yet:
ALL career cars are available for single stage/single rally!
Stay to Road To Glory, pick any event, select 'free run', choose 'Single stage/single rally' and finally pick any car, from any class you wish!

http://i50.tinypic.com/10zofnd.jpg

[bennizw]

Nice, LCD, I hadn't seen that one :)

[Lemieux]

I cant set the OPPONENT LEVELS to highest...? Please milestone fix this i really like the game! i want even more challenge

[A.F.F.]

I tested the game and for me it was similar disappointment like the previous games of the series :mark: I don't like the handling and the stage planning. It feels like Milestone could do better if they wanted.

[Astro83]

I dont agrre all the way there. The physics is really good, take the Civic R3. It's behave exactly like a powerful fwd! It's overall really good but there's a BUT everywere..

Milestone MUST fix one thing about the physics till next time, it's the feeling of the road and every surface. Stones, ditches and more.

I most feel that in the steeringwheel - That they really hsve to fix! Also more real dynamics / physics in the car on reaplays. It looks like the car more or less floats on the road snd that's a really shame!

[daguru]

Hi All,
is there a glitch on this game ? or have we got cheats already "Col de Turini monte-carlo" pc version the fastest time is 00:53.28 if this is cheating then the leaderboards are compromised hope milestone keep an eye on this!!!!!

[Iain]

I downloaded the demo today. Not sure what to make of it. The tarmac handling is a bit slippery and for some reason my controller kept switching off in the DS3 demo stage. Car noise isn't too good and the handling is a bit twitchy. Maybe it's because I've not played an offroad game that wasn't made by Codemasters for many years. Think WRC05 was the last non-Codemaster rally game I played. I'll play it some more though and maybe change my mind.

[Astro83]

Check this out!

EC Sim is working on a really intresting thing...

They are going to realise a advanced physics engine for WRC 3!!!

I think it will be very intresting to try it out in a game with ok physics! To see the diffrence!

Soon I have completed 2 seasons in WRC 3 then I will let you know my opinion on this game! :P

[lcd]

Honestly, I think the game's physics are just fine. I'd prefer to see a sound mod mostly ;)

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

SORRY LCD, can't agree with that as ive extensively played the pc version and for me the physics are average at best, they are a big improvement on the last two games but miss the mark because of the over eagerness to please the everyday casual race gamer and not the more simulation based gamer,there is to much grip and and no feel of connection to the road surface,compared to RBR pc version its poor i know this is boring and repetitive but the feedback feeling through a descent wheel and the sound collaboration in RBR gives so much more of a connected feel to every crest, rut,jump and bump in the road surface compared to WRC3s disconnected feeling imo.So as for any mods for the physics YES PLEASE and i agree with the sound mods to.

[lcd]

I agree RBR Is the bible of rally sim gaming, but Ιt's so unfair comparing WRC3 (or any other rally game) with It all the time.
Why no ones compares It with the CMR series or DiRT or WRC series PS2? That would be Interesting too ;)

[WRC FOCUS LIVE]

Yes i do agree to be fair i think WRC3 has surpassed all those games mentioned regarding all out point to point timed stage rallying,but I find it difficult to accept that a modern developer cannot surpass a piece of software written 8/9 years ago especially as how quickly technology advances forward. ;) I think that the best thing that could happen would be for Code Masters to nail the next Dirt rally only game and give Milestone something to think about as a bit of competition would be beneficial to us gamers.

[JVille]

I was surprised how good this game actually is and in this game really has enough challenge from the beginning. I hated it when I first read that this one still has the 180 degrees of wheel rotation. I'm driving this game with Logitech G27 and steering is good and very driveable. Not too twitchy like in the earlier ones. I usually drive other games with 450 degrees of steering but steering actually works in this one.

I have been and I still am a big fan of RBR. But finally I can leave it dusting in the game shelf for a long time. I hate it when people always compare every rally game to RBR, which as a game is nowhere near perfect. Gravel feeling in WRC3 is very good, in RBR you are driving all the time on loose gravel or that is how it feels like. Top drivers usually have a change to drive cleaned roads and some countries like Finland has a very clean road in the beginning of the stage. I do have a better grip on road tires in my daily driver on finnish roads than I ever experience in RBR, something strange? Another example is what Astro83 mentioned earlier is driving on snow and ice. I have never seen a game that has enough grip on ice on studded tires. If you search enough you can find a BFGoodrich news where Loeb says that driving on ice with studded tires is the same than driving on wet tarmac.

I was surprised to notice that there is already Advanced Physics in development, but at the moment while looking at the YouTube videos it seems more like bad tyre choice mod.

The only thing that I hate about this game is that I know there isn't any modding tools and while looking at other Milestone games it seems that most we will ever get is something like livery mods. I also really hope that someday we will get more steering angle to make this game even better.

[Astro83]

I agree with wrcfocuslive on this. The game is absolutely a good and fun rallygame. I can be the first to congratulate Milestone for a well done game and a big step forward to make VERY GOOD rallygames in future. I didn't think before this game realese that I would play a Milestone rallygame because I hated the first two games. I really hated that... :)

I think this physics is a big step in right direction, absolutely! But it's far from a good and perfect physics. The main thing is what wrcfocuslive is saying. I don't "feel" the road surface at all in the wheel. It's like I'm floating or flying over the road. In tarmac stages it's okey but on gravel and snow it is nooot good at all.
They most get this right for WRC 4 and I hope they understand that it's very importent to get it right because it would take a game like this to the sky..

I want the feeling of the surface in the wheel and then we must compare this with RBR in this way.

I think the game has a good level of difficult and I just ended my first season in Class 3 with a EVO IX and I ended up in 5th place after some mistakes. But it's fun to have to push hard for a stage win and that has Milestone succeed with...

JVille has a big point, I also love RBR as you all know but I agree big time. RBR have perfection but RBR also has many many things that is very very wrong and it's not all a perfect game. But the original RBR in "physics way" is pretty awesome and I hope that Milestone succeed to create that feeling for WRC 4.

I only want to "feel" the road. That can't be so hard to fix for next years realise!?


Then I think that Milestone should have waited with the realise of WRC 3? had they not try the game? It's ALOT of bugs and more in this game who needs to be fixed and I think they will do it but why realise a game who isn't finish??


But a job well done for making it in the rally world. Milestone is there and I now have big hopes for the future... RBR is for now in a sleep-mode! :)

[lcd]

Welcome JVille! You nailed many Issues with your very first post! :up:

[A FONDO]

I agree RBR Is the bible of rally sim gaming, but Ιt's so unfair comparing WRC3 (or any other rally game) with It all the time.
Why no ones compares It with the CMR series or DiRT or WRC series PS2? That would be Interesting too ;)

Because when you buy something new you want it to be better than everything else seen so far.

[lcd]

Because when you buy something new you want it to be better than everything else seen so far.

That was exactly my point. Everything else...not just RBR!!! :p

[JVille]

Thank you lcd for welcoming me.

Feeling to the road has been always one thing no one is ever happy. I do agree that it could be improved. I do think that it should be kind of easy to improve but would take a lot of time, really a lot. I am not certain of the following but I think that I am right. At least the earlier WRC game looked like it and I don't think they have changed the method of 3d modelling the stages. The stages are modeled as simple, which means that in the 3d modelling there is only elevation and curvature, no bumps. Bumps to the stage come from texturing. If bump maps are too simple it will feel like your driving on a perfect route, so basicly no feeling at all.

A lot of newer games has a similar technique, for example rfactor2. Older like rfactor(1) and RBR have the bumps modelled. This is great thing as it allows laser scanned stages and when modelling is done awesome it is good thing but with bad modelling things go bad. I'm sure RBR players have noticed on some stock and mostly on addon stages that suspension doesn't know how to act when road has razor sharp edge and you are not ever able to predict perfectly how suspension works.

With texture made bumps the game engine should be able to predict what is coming on the road and it doesn't eat performance as much as precise modelling. By the way performance wise this game has a great improvement, I wasn't able to run earlier game even near the full settings (motion blur, high res textures etc., not talking about resolution), now I can even though WRC warns me about graphic card memory.

I'll have to dig later that was I right but now I'm only focusing on driving. I haven't been happy ever with road feeling from first drive, when driving on steering wheel it takes at least few hours or more to adjust FFB settings.

[lcd]

A great comparison video between WRC3-DiRT3 Monte!

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[lcd]

Great set!

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[Astro83]

A great comparison video between WRC3-DiRT3 Monte!

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WRC 3 Mone Carlo owns Dirt 3s version I think. The only BIG problem Milestone has that they also have to fix is the cartoon coloring they use. Look at all the green stuff like trees and grass in for example: Finland, Gremany, Argentina and more...

That thing is Dirt 3 much much more good at, to bring the realism color on things.... But that a small thing to change for future games.

[Astro83]

Were is your reviews of the game guys??? :) you most have much things to talk about! :)

I will write one tomorrow night i think... I want to hear your reports! :)

[bennizw]

I´d rather have a WRC 4 thread opened so I can write down what I would like to see improved for WRC 4! ;)

[Astro83]

Yes I agree Bennizw but we can begin here and talk about what "we have" and then we will come to the point of the future - WRC 4

I look at TeamVVV's forum an the WRC 3 thread and they have a WRC 4 thread... But I can't register myself there, something is wrong with that page..

I will think long and hard about what I'm going to write for WRC 4 and write about all things from the menus to the driving in stages... I know that Milestone not listnen to all we say but I think that they like thoes of us who really want to help them so they csn develop the game as far as they can!

There is so many freaks out there who only say ****ty things and only compare the gsme to K Blocks Dirt 3 and RBR without come with constructive things to develop.

If we do this right, then I think Milestone will take much of our wishes under considerations...

I hope so anyway!

This game is allright/ok/ good/fun but much needs to improve..

Like for example, many rallyes who is taken from WRC and WRC 2 is so boring, the stages does not look like rallystages and I dont feel like I drive a rallystage but the new built rallys like Akropolis, Mexico, Monte Carlo - Very well done!!

The only problem is that there is only 1 SS in every rally. That will make me bored. At least 3 separate stages for eatch rally would be the thing and then drive them backwards the second run!

Can someone tell me what rallys is from WRC 2?

I think that they most make new realistic rallys for Wales, Sweden, France, Germany!!!, Argentina. I think I have miss some rally but **** the same... :)

Wales is much better then WRC 2 but the stage is not look at a stage in wales at all. It's to easy made..
It's 5-10% of the stage who really look at a resl wales stage.

But I think that I clearly can see what rallys they really put some time to create and witch they don't put so many hours on??

The same about the cars in the game.

[eestlane]

Hi. I tried to buy wrc on the internet and the payment was ok but when I started to download an error came up saying that the wrc3.exe file has viruses on it or is broken. And if I try to download with seperate files it says that insert disc 1 but I don't have a disc because I bought it online , so I let him to search for the file but it doesn't find it. So I put the file to a pacific folder and it still does not find it. Please help because I'm very frustrated . I downloaded with nexway.
If you can help, Please do

[bennizw]

Just finished a season of the WRC championship - can't say that was very rewarding..

[Plan9]

You win? I've been doing it on full difficulty and I can't get much more than stage wins.

[Plan9]

What difficulty did you do it on?

[bennizw]

I can't set my game to full difficulty, only the second highest, some bug in the PS3 version. But won the championship yes. Milestone have to go through the difficulty of the AI on each rally again, because certain events have AI that are far to easy, while on others the AI is impossible to beat even when you are flat out without any mistakes. I had one first spilt on a stage in Italy where I more or less had my foot to the bottom all the the way from the start. At the split point I was 4,8 seconds behind. Weird.

[Astro83]

I have played two championships now, 5th first time in class 3, 2th and same points that Paddon who won had in Class 2. Now I'm 3th in WRC in this season I play now.

But as Bennizw say, It's a dissapointing feeling the whole championship mode... It has to be more, much more contents... Like manufactorchampionship, more to intrest the player. Like in prew games, before a rally, see more like maps over stages, and more stuff like that!

More contents after a event. Price cermoni and more like that!

Look at the new F1 games when you need to answear interwjus and more.

Maby even have shakedown before every event, and a servicepark... Service like in real after 3 stages maby?

Milestone as to fix a much better and more intresting championship mode for WRC 4!

[Astro83]

I agree on what Bennizw says again... AI is easy to beat in some rallys and on other rallys, it's extremly tuff? But okey, it's good that the AI is hard and sometimes is driving slower sometimes like real...

But it most be a bug right of now...

The AI needs to DNF more then now like in real.

A cool thing for championship mod would be to see like in RBR, "media heds-up" of why they are DNF and more like in real.

Maby have some things like WRC live? That she sho is speaking of every rally in this game also speaks after every stage, on what has happend after every stage...

Milestone needs to look at the real thing and copy all of that in to the game! ;)

[A FONDO]

Maby even have shakedown before every event, and a servicepark... Service like in real after 3 stages maby?

Milestone as to fix a much better and more intresting championship mode for WRC 4!

The first CMR's had shakedown and service after 2-3 stages :) The stages were more, all different and longer, with a decent gfx for its era. Wasn't it the poor handling, I would have still played them.

[bennizw]

I agree with the whole career mode part! Take inspiration from V-rally 3, RBR and the F1 games, much more interactive for the player. I will write more about this when we get a WRC 4 thread.

Speaking of that, in this article it says that it isn't done the Milestone will be doing WRC 4, the license is being discussed: Veni Vidi Vici - WRC3's Challenge mode explained: "DiRT doesn't have the rally authenticity that we have" (http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/WRC3s-Challenge-mode-explained-DiRT-doesnt-have-the-rally-authenticity-that-we-have)

[Astro83]

Bennizw:

Thanks for putting up this article here! Nice reading!

After reading this, it seems to be more importent now of making a WRC 4 thread! They will start to look for inputs from our sites soon to see what we want for WRC 4 and what we think.

If we want to have a chans to say what we want and get Milestone inputs, we need to get started! ;)

If Milestone or somebody else get this license now is not importend I think. WRC 4 will be created.

And I dont think that Codemasters are very intrested, they have Dirt and Milestone has made a very big step since WRC 2.

[mousti]

Crazy extra modes on the Career mode, driving against a helicopter, car getting broken and get kits, drift contests (DIRT???) and even racing on col de turini, where the rival even will bump u and get u damage but he doesn't get any! Ultimate battle is crazy difficult, I defeated Loeb then Sordo in round 2 DS3 is at 100 Mini should be way slower and he defeats me with almost ease and I'm doing everything flatout very late brake points. After ultimate batlle is it done then? Not even a real championship? Then Career mode sucks..

[Francis44]

Crazy extra modes on the Career mode, driving against a helicopter, car getting broken and get kits, drift contests (DIRT???) and even racing on col de turini, where the rival even will bump u and get u damage but he doesn't get any! Ultimate battle is crazy difficult, I defeated Loeb then Sordo in round 2 DS3 is at 100 Mini should be way slower and he defeats me with almost ease and I'm doing everything flatout very late brake points. After ultimate batlle is it done then? Not even a real championship? Then Career mode sucks..

Yes after those super special challenges against the WRC stars it's over. I had a difficult time aswell beating Hirvonnen and Sordo. I noticed that I started taking crazy lines and driving mad and I would always finish behind. If you take it easier and brake early in order to prevent the car from spinning too much you'll notice it is easier to beat them, I did that and I was finally able to finish the career mode.

[lcd]

...Not even a real championship? Then Career mode sucks..

There Is a separate Championship mode, with all locations+special stages of the WRC 2012 season calendar. ;)

[mousti]

Yeah but u can't play it with your own character, so that's for me not really interesting.

[bennizw]

I recieved a reply to my bug e-mail from Milestone today, seems they have been going through the feedback lately.

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WRC3 Advanced Physics Mod - just released! (http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=8670#p64561)
http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/styles/dark-grunge/imageset/icon_post_target.gif (http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?p=64561#p64561)by oregonwings (http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15456) » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:14 pmEC Sim Hardware has just released their 0.5 Advanced physics mod for WRC3.
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Añadido/Addon | EC Sim Hardware (http://ecsimhardware.com/?page_id=2108)

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http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/styles/dark-grunge/imageset/icon_post_target.gif (http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?p=64574#p64574)by oregonwings (http://www.insidesimracing.tv/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15456) » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:38 pmI just tried one stage (Argentina) with the advanced physics mod, and I can't believe the difference! We are talking close to Richard Burns Rally quality now! Need to dial down the FFB from where I had it before though.

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[Astro83]

What do you guys think about this mod then?

I'm going to download this tomorrow..

Is it near RBR as the comment say?
Is there any difference between the cars as before with this mod?

Thank you EC Sim hardware!!

[lcd]

I like the mod. It Is suggested for rally sim gamers only (RBR fans Included!) Others will find It Impossible to control the car
and finish a single stage In a competitive time (or without a crash or exit at all!). The breaking distance has been Increased, steering Is much more sensitive, better feel of the car's weight, lot of powersliding and drifting too. Forget high speeds In twisty sections. And when you are driving fast on open stages, It would be very difficult (or Impossible In some cases) to correct any mistake. This mod Is extremely punishing and requires much more technical driving. To bad for console players, this one Is for pc only... Overall, I think It's the most sim version of WRC3 so far. Good work to all Involved!

[Astro83]

Thanks LCD. It seems to be very intresting! Nice!!

[daguru]

Wow just had quick go on france with this mod took a few goes to adjust to the whole new setup and what can i say its much more sim like no more flat out makes you more cautious which i love only downside so far if you do run off track its so slippery you just rev up though all the gears trying to get back on, to thumbs up from me (a massive RBR fan)well done to EC Sim hardware good job a great game just got a whole lot better!!!!!!!

[A FONDO]

I cant steer normally with this mod, its like an offroad jeep with all diffs locked.

[lcd]

I cant steer normally with this mod, its like an offroad jeep with all diffs locked.

Actually you can't steer easily on higher speeds, right? It's easier on low speed Isn't It?
If I remember well, this feature has to do with filters (like In RBR) that make steering harder on high speeds so car Is more stable.

[EightGear]

Is it possible to adjust the steering rotation with this mod? I adjusted it in the Logitech profiler to 362 degrees but in the game I have the full 900. It is impossible to drive like that.

[Astro83]

I'v tried the new EC Sim physics mod now and I can only agree with eightgear. It's almost impossible to drive I think.

It feels like it is a 900• degrees wheelrotation... Not good.

Because of that I really can't say anything about how good the mod is sadly!

I hope EC Sim read this and can change this??

[Astro83]

I wounder when a update to this game will come??? I can't understand why it take so much time... Boring to wait all this time and Mileston is so ****ing bad on tell the fans what's happening!! Not a word...

[bennizw]

That Italians for you... No offence Pino!

[Astro83]

Bennizw:

???

[daguru]

I wounder when a update to this game will come??? I can't understand why it take so much time... Boring to wait all this time and Mileston is so ****ing bad on tell the fans what's happening!! Not a word...

I agree we need an update on this to fix the problems and like you said no word on how long we the customers have to wait, they have an update button on the launcher that link to there website (which is rubbish) with no info what so ever.

Im happy with the game (bugs aside)but not the support they have sold a flawed game and need to fix it ASAP

[Astro83]

I think the game is okey but I dont like the "easy made" championship mode... It's no content in there who make the championship intresting. The Road to glory is the whole game I think and that sucks.. It's like a bad replica of the boring Dirt 3 game!

The stages is not fun anymore because they repet themselves all the time...

And then the total lack of communication with their customers... Thats sad and if Codemasters will make a real rally game in Dirt 4 as the rumors says, then Milestone really needs to step up BIG TIME.

[lcd]

...It's no content in there who make the championship intresting...!

Really don't get It...What more should the championship mode have, to be more 'Interesting' for you?
What else apart racing all the countries/stages using any of the cars/drivers of the official WRC 2012 calendar?
Do you mean, service park after 2-3 stages? Or some podium footage after finishing each country? Or a special video award after finishing the whole championship? All those would Indeed be nice additions but wouldn't really change the actual meaning of the championship....


I think dynamic weather, night stages, unique special stages and staggered starts would really give some points to the championship mode.
But I guess those will feature In WRC4 anyway ;) Have fun with WRC3 as Is Is...It's been radically Improved and following a very right direction, regarding stages design and physics :)

[pino]

That Italians for you... No offence Pino!

So lazy those italians...arent they ? ;)

[Astro83]

Pino:

They seem to be lazy yes! They have FB and it takes 1 minute to write a post so all of us see that they are intrested of us and what we want...

LCD:

What I want more...

You said it yourself! ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Played the full game for the first time this evening and have to say I'm impressed. Started a career with Henning, full difficulty on the PS3 and did Monte and have to say it was fun. Few too many repeat sections for my liking, but if this trajectory continues this WRC4 may finally be the game we've always wanted!

[cGFrench]

Hi all,

I'm new here, but a huge fan of motorsport & rallying in general.

I just bought the WRC3 PC game, and am looking for enthusiasts / people who like to play on the multiplayer :)

I use the xfire (xfire.com) instant messenger and steam (steampowered.com), with the username "imafrenchie" on each messenger... if anyone here has the game, feel free to give me a shout! For those of you who've yet to buy it or are on the fence, it's fantastic and the most realistic rally game I've ever played!

Cheers

[lcd]

Welcome to the forum CgFrench. Glad you like the game :up:

[Arska]

I did a world record time on Comanjilla yesterday: 2:53.96

[Astro83]

This is a sad company... No updates, not patch, no nothing... I had a better feeling about Milestone but this sucks... Are they building a whole new game as a update!?!?!

That would be the only thing who is accepted when it takes a great deal of time!!!!

Codemasters realise updates all the time...

Milestone - start to take care of your fans or you will never succeed. I even see that the reviews about this game is cold, not that good! Shape up!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Maybe after the release of the game they go on holidays.... No?

[A FONDO]

I am really stuck in the career mode! That Luchini in Greece I have to overtake, aaargh I've tried a dozen times! Could somebody take my save file, do the task and then send it back to me? Here's the address:

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/374802/Saves-7z.html

[lcd]

Why don't you lower the difficulty AI level so to pass this event?