WRC-Neste Oil Rally Finland 2012

[rage82]

One hour and five minutes ;)
I think you are wrong Mirek The rally starts at 17:23 local time and now is exactly 17:22 h in Helsinki.

[mm1]

No, it`s live in a few minutes

[stefanvv]

lets wish to have a clear rally till the end.

how is the condition of road?

Sun is shining, beautiful for Rally

[dimviii]

Lindholm through first split.

[N.O.T]

The rally is live Lindholm through teh 1st split...

[Mirek]

Good I was wrong. I'm still at work so I can follow it a bit :D

[N.O.T]

It is going to be a Loooong rally for the green clown...

[Mikkaki]

He is unbelievable slow.... Isnt there any young talent from his contry who can drive instead of him?

[N.O.T]

Solberg attacks...

[Mad cat jnr]

He is unbelievable slow.... Isnt there any young talent from his contry who can drive instead of him?

There could be talent, but what has that got to do with him competing? :S

He is a wealthy businessman that does rallying as his hobby and is doing a great job of improving the exposure of rallying in Brazil! It is not his fault that the WRC rules mean that he has to run so far up on the road, im sure he would rather run further down where his pace would put him!

[EightGear]

I always feel a kind of relief when the Ford boys cross the line without problems...

[stefanvv]

Great time for Ostberg

[skarderud]

Any rallyradio? Irally just play ****songs....

[EightGear]

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/)

[rage82]

Very good stuff from Neuville in this first stage!

[Miika]

Neuville, bloody brilliant.

[N.O.T]

Seems like these 3 stages are warm up for the top crews... tommorow the real rally starts.

[EightGear]

Very close, I like it! Atkinson very decent as well.

[N.O.T]

the top 9.... 6 seconds apart :D

[N.O.T]

Problems for Mikkelsen ???

[N.O.T]

MIKKELSEN A. / FLOENE O. FL puncture. "Car was really strange on the rear." rally.cz

[Mad cat jnr]

Hats off to Craig Breen, after everything he has been through to be almost on the pace is a massive step! Good luck to him and Craig

[N.O.T]

Lappi on par with Paddon so far on every split...

[dimviii]

lets see Nikara what he can do in a Mitsu.

[Mad cat jnr]

Lappi looks a massive talent too, cant wait to see how he gets on. The team at EVEN management seem to be good at talent spotting

[skarderud]

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/)
Something that works with an iPhone? An app or something?

[Tom206wrc]

Very good debut for Neuville, good debut for Atkinson :up:

[dimviii]

lets see Nikara what he can do in a Mitsu.

not good,flat tyre?

[Kalm]

Great start from Neuville, I guess Rally Estonia was useful :) and Karl Kruuda 2,9sek faster than Block and 10sek down from Ogier, not too bad on his second rally of the year in the 4wd.

[Tom206wrc]

Not bad Jonas Lindroos in his small C2(29th overall)...can he beat the Fiesta trophy drivers ??? :D

[Hartusvuori]

Anyone knows for sure what happened to Nikara? We saw him in the last corners of SS1 going almost road speed but didn't pay attention to any detail. I think Ketomäki passed before him and there was longer than 5 minute break before them.

We were positioned 1 km before the finish. Relaxed place on a field with a long view, some 15 seconds which is a long time in Rally Finland. Ken Block went a little wide twice in front of us. He simply can't finish or if he finish he'll be at least 12-15 minutes off the pace... Latvala drove clearly more dirty than Loeb and Hirvonen. Neuville and Östberg went well as well, but it wasn't that clear that they were so fast as the stage time is.

Now hurrying to SS3. Lindroos just passed us... Crazy liasons. First 2 hours from Jämsä to SS1. Now almost 2 hours from SS1 to SS3 and then some 2 hours back to Jämsä. Few hours of sleep and drive to Urria. The rally is on :-)

[N.O.T]

The only guy that dropped below the 7 min mark on stage 1 was Loeb.... Boooo Hoooo

[GigiGalliNo1]

Did someone just swear a few times on WRC Live radio!? haha

[Maxi]

Did someone just swear a few times on WRC Live radio!? haha

yeah it was tanak. haha

[Hartusvuori]

The only guy that dropped below the 7 min mark on stage 1 was Loeb.... Boooo Hoooo

How was the 7-minute mark of any relevance in SS Koukunmaa? Not saying that Loeb could be feeding it again to the boys...

[dimviii]

Anyone knows for sure what happened to Nikara? We saw him in the last corners of SS1 going almost road speed but didn't pay attention to any detail. I think Ketomäki passed before him and there was longer than 5 minute break before them.

We were positioned 1 km before the finish. Relaxed place on a field with a long view, some 15 seconds which is a long time in Rally Finland. Ken Block went a little wide twice in front of us. He simply can't finish or if he finish he'll be at least 12-15 minutes off the pace... Latvala drove clearly more dirty than Loeb and Hirvonen. Neuville and Östberg went well as well, but it wasn't that clear that they were so fast as the stage time is.

Now hurrying to SS3. Lindroos just passed us... Crazy liasons. First 2 hours from Jämsä to SS1. Now almost 2 hours from SS1 to SS3 and then some 2 hours back to Jämsä. Few hours of sleep and drive to Urria. The rally is on :-)

Nice review! we waiting for mooooooar!!
what about s2000 cars?

[Hartusvuori]

Nice review! we waiting for mooooooar!!
what about s2000 cars?

We had to run after Mikkelsen, so no detailed review on them. Ogier and Lappi were on their own speed. Mikkelsen was slower of course with the puncture.

[andyone]

is there anyway to view wrc live on the net?? i really wish i can see some of it

[Hartusvuori]

Nikara - loose turbo on SS1.

[EightGear]

is there anyway to view wrc live on the net?? i really wish i can see some of it

No.

There will be great Youtube videos coming though, I'm sure. And daily reports from TV will be on Youtube too.

[A.F.F.]

Something that works with an iPhone? An app or something?

iRally. It's better tham Nokia's WRC application. :up:

[vkangas]

Hose off, fixed now

[A.F.F.]

Hey Finns. Good places to watch Ouninpohja from road 24 ?? I haven't been that part of the stage before...

Please, answer via PM, thanks in advance :)

[Luis Pacheco]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s480x480/376709_10151048783189404_1984603941_n.jpg

[andyone]

iRally

dont work on Jelly bean

[stefanvv]

Loeb is seriously flying.

[EightGear]

Big push by Loeb. He said he couldn't go any faster.

[rage82]

Mad Mads is flying high! I hope he can make it to the end of the rally. He look's very promising in this rally

[dimviii]

Loeb is impressive.Is more impressive if we think that he doesn t need to be faster.Lets see who can be inside road with this rythm inside Finland.

[N.O.T]

Loeb knows that tommorow the Finns are going to give everything on the roads they know by heart thats why he pushes like that...

[Miika]

Mads and Neuville the positive surprises of the evening in the WRC class. Also Block for staying on the road till the night rest.

[Ucci]

Loeb is seriously flying.

The one and the only......master, king ;)

[Allyc85]

No Craig Breen after ss3?

[EightGear]

Very emotional Breen after SS3.

[A.F.F.]

Loeb knows that tommorow the Finns are going to give everything on the roads they know by heart thats why he pushes like that...

Loeb knows these roads as well, if not better than Finns since he has not crashed.

Loeb also will win this rally, he is on to run now and there is no way Latvala or Hirvonen can match him. I'm surprised byt Neuville and Novikov, they might jump into suprises tomorrow. Östberg is having a good rally too.

My main interest is Esa-Pekka Lappi. I want ot see if he is able to put some pressure to Ogier tomorrow? :)

Ketomaa and Rantanen ..... *sigh* :mark:

[rage82]

Oi, oi, oi Lappi is fastest in the s2000 class.

[A.F.F.]

And as I wrote previous post, Lappi made a better stage time than Ogier. :D 3,6 seconds behind him as tomorrow starts, way to go Lappi :hot:

[cali]

Nikara ... WOW what a time!

[Tom206wrc]

Lindroos again fastest of R2s ahead of the Fiestas :)

[stefanvv]

The one and the only......master, king ;)

I know he is capable of that, it is kind of surprise, didn't expect him to push that hard in Finland as there are few tarmac Rallies following.

[Mirek]

Lindroos again fastest of R2s ahead of the Fiestas :)

No, Fisher is faster and almost whole academy is yet to come to the finish of SS3.

[A FONDO]

Very emotional Breen after SS3.

What did he say?

[Tom206wrc]

Excellent pace from young french driver Vincent Dubert, leading R3 class in 2WD :eek:

[EightGear]

He was nearly crying and said he thought it was the end after the crash. He couldn't believe he was here (in Finland) and was thankfull to a lot of people. His voice was very emotional.

[noel157]

And more ref Breen: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nEUNSzmkZ-8/T7vHsoYmxyI/AAAAAAAABIc/sN8d7sI3vSQ/s400/IMG_8893.JPG

[Tom206wrc]

Ukrainian champion Youri Protasov seems to do OK too for his first outing in DS3 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Frederik Ahlin retired :confused:

[Mirek]

And more ref Breen: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nEUNSzmkZ-8/T7vHsoYmxyI/AAAAAAAABIc/sN8d7sI3vSQ/s400/IMG_8893.JPG

I can see Abbring on the photo.

[stefanvv]

He was nearly crying and said he thought it was the end after the crash. He couldn't believe he was here (in Finland) and was thankfull to a lot of people. His voice was very emotional.

I can imagine, Marko Martin quit Rallying after such accident, but Breen is still very young and his career is ahead of him. Sadly but these things are part of the game and just happen.

[sollitt]

Very tight battle between Ogier, Lappi & Paddon. Expect Andersson to join in tomorrow also. Very early days yet.

[noel157]

I can see Abbring on the photo.

Ooops Mirek, wrong link on wrong forum. Here we go:

SWRC Finland WRC Live interview SS3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Bktxys8fI&feature=em-uploademail)

[COD]

The quality of rallying is so sad nowdays. Four factory drivers doing ok, after that just BS. Couldn't have imagined 10 years ago that 15th WRC driver would be 25th overall, was just not possible. Those days, there were good drivers like Loix just making it to top 10, now he would be top 5 in almost any car.
Saw one stage today, not gonna to any more was so dissapointed

[Mirek]

Thanks, Noel.

[cali]

The quality of rallying is so sad nowdays. Four factory drivers doing ok, after that just BS. Couldn't have imagined 10 years ago that 15th WRC driver would be 25th overall, was just not possible. Those days, there were good drivers like Loix just making it to top 10, now he would be top 5 in almost any car.
Saw one stage today, not gonna to any more was so dissapointed
I would heavily disagree as Neuville, Ostberg, Novikov and Tänak heve driven very well. Good drivers also in S2000 machinery. But OK, it's your opinion.
I say that it's going to get better as we have many promising drivers stepping up.

I know the story when back in the day the grass was greener etc, but I'm not buying that anymore :)

[stefanvv]

Ostberg and Neuvile are quite impressive so far in particular. Big battle is going in S2000 as well. I would say it will be very interesting Rally.

[BleAivano]

I would heavily disagree as Neuville, Ostberg, Novikov and Tänak heve driven very well. Good drivers also in S2000 machinery. But OK, it's your opinion.
I say that it's going to get better as we have many promising drivers stepping up.

I know the story when back in the day the grass was greener etc, but I'm not buying that anymore :)

I agree with you. And i also believe that the championship title fights will be more tighter and
interesting when Loeb retires.

[Barreis]

The quality of rallying is so sad nowdays. Four factory drivers doing ok, after that just BS. Couldn't have imagined 10 years ago that 15th WRC driver would be 25th overall, was just not possible. Those days, there were good drivers like Loix just making it to top 10, now he would be top 5 in almost any car.
Saw one stage today, not gonna to any more was so dissapointed

Totally agree but next year Ogier will be in WRC machinery and that will be - 5 quick drivers.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_e0b6a4cf9c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_d86f5101fb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_96d2bc6dec.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_4e7836cbec.jpg

More photos from day 1 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1059)

[Munkvy]

I have to wonder, is Petter playing tactics? The sudden drop in pace on the final stage has put him a fair bit further down the start order for the next day... What is the weather forecast looking like?

[stefanvv]

No tactics, they are starting the same order tomorrow, he had traction problems I think.

[peg306]

Frederik Ahlin retired :confused:

I saw a picture on facebook of his car, looked like he had a crash.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150947344365836&set=at.329642815835.158697.562665835.531015263&type=1&theater

[COD]

Totally agree but next year Ogier will be in WRC machinery and that will be - 5 quick drivers.

If Citroen is continuing... And maybe even six if Latvala to VW and Sordo to Ford. Wow.

[danon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UVBc9CZXQA

[Juha_Koo]

Surprised to see Loeb's good, erhm, excellent speed today!

Our rally group was in SS3 Mynnilä, few wide lines in our place and then came Åhlin... Rolled five and half times.

Photos courtesy of my uncle.
http://juhake.kapsi.fi/motorsport/IMG_0795edited.jpg

http://juhake.kapsi.fi/motorsport/IMG_0806edited.jpg

[danon]

Surprised to see Loeb's good, erhm, excellent speed today!

Our rally group was in SS3 Mynnilä, few wide lines in our place and then came Åhlin... Rolled five and half times.

Photos courtesy of my uncle.


It's a lifetime opportunity and pure luck to be on the right place
at the right time to grab the (bull by the balls) moment.
Hope the guys are OK.

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6KP2vMrous&feature=player_embedded

[danon]

And here's the video of the crach...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6KP2vMrous

[Hartusvuori]

Good morning from SS4 Urria, at Mikko's place. Some 1 hour before 1st car, not too much people yet but there were a lot of overnighters on entrance roads. And the mosquitos are killing my nerves...

Yesterday we did most of the cars at SS3 Mynnilä. Fast straight over a crest which almost was a jump, and a breaking to fast left. A bit of old school atmosphere as spectators, a handful, were waiting other leg on the road as cars approached. It's interesting how Loeb's pace hasn't showed at our spots. He's of course fast, but no clear difference to Mikko, JML or Mads. Atko is doing fine as well, but he breaked far earlier than others, indicating a lack of confidence I think. Ogier, Paddon and Lappi are clearly fastest S2000s.

[MTA]

God Morning! We are on Urria to but at the beginning of stage. Have the same problem with mosquitoes like you. We were on the SS 1 yesterday and saw some realy nice bends at the begining of the stage.
Nr 81 had a real close call and roled almost 2 times.

[Leon]

Good morning from SS4 Urria, at Mikko's place. Some 1 hour before 1st car, not too much people yet but there were a lot of overnighters on entrance roads. And the mosquitos are killing my nerves...

Yesterday we did most of the cars at SS3 Mynnilä. Fast straight over a crest which almost was a jump, and a breaking to fast left. A bit of old school atmosphere as spectators, a handful, were waiting other leg on the road as cars approached. It's interesting how Loeb's pace hasn't showed at our spots. He's of course fast, but no clear difference to Mikko, JML or Mads. Atko is doing fine as well, but he breaked far earlier than others, indicating a lack of confidence I think. Ogier, Paddon and Lappi are clearly fastest S2000s.

thanks a lot for the update. enloy the rally

[dimviii]

10 minutes for Urria. :bounce:

[N.O.T]

Lets see if yesterdays times were just practice runs for the fins...

[rage82]

Good morning! Ready for rallying, job can wait for a while :)
Hope we can see proper battle all the day!

[dimviii]

Blocks moment
2012 WRC Neste Oil Rally Finland Day 1 Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsRFw_JOcTk&feature=player_embedded#!)

[N.O.T]

I am really starting to doubt that Loeb is human.... we are being invaded !!!!!

[dimviii]

waiting for Nikara

[dimviii]

Nikara is flying!

[dimviii]

Nikara equal as top s2000 crews :eek: at a stage with big jumps...

[Koppomsbo]

Isnt Rally Radio on?

[dimviii]

Isnt Rally Radio on?

it is on mate.

[Koppomsbo]

it is on mate.

Then is just my link that doesnt work then :(

[N.O.T]

Mikko wakes up :) :) :)

[dimviii]

Novikov out of road

[stefanvv]

Not continuing :(

[dimviii]

Latvala almost equal with privateer Mads(+2,6) after 4 stages inside his home without problems.Not good.

[dimviii]

Lappi very fast at last split

[cali]

Lappi seems to be massive talent :)

[MR666]

No live text?

[dimviii]

Lappi seems to be massive talent :)

is he better than Nikara? Pitty that guy hasn t got a good back up to see him with proper machinery.Again equal with fastest s2000 cars!!

edit big moment for Nikara,out of road,just some panels rear right side.Damn i jinx him

[N.O.T]

Good fight between Ogier and Lappi...

Wrong event to judge the performance of any fin though to draw general conclusions.... many tomato cans performed well here and they were nothing on other events.


Atko is also on a good pace given the circumsatnces...he beats the future media champion Ketomaa...

[cali]

is he better than Nikara? Pitty that guy hasn t got a good back up to see him with proper machinery.Again equal with fastest s2000 cars!!

edit big moment for Nikara,out of road,just some panels rear right side.Damn i jinx him
Yes, Nikara has had some very impressive stage times, but as you told yourself that he had off in the last stage. He obviously is overdriving his car.

[Miika]

Novikov back on the move in Jukojärvi.
https://twitter.com/MickeLindh/status/231279156011364352/photo/1

[stefanvv]

Novikov has rolled over, continuing for now to the service

[Rally Hokkaido]

Where did Nikara go off? He has a time for SS5

[logic]

https://p.twimg.com/AzWraqsCIAEO_oc.jpg:large
https://p.twimg.com/AzWrVeSCQAAtbBh.jpg

Novokovs car.

[stefanvv]

Latvala almost equal with privateer Mads(+2,6) after 4 stages inside his home without problems.Not good.

That is really odd. In general Fords are little slower than Citroens, but Solberg is faster than him today.

[Hartusvuori]

Traffic rather jammed at Urria exit...

Novikov. He was this > < close from losing it already at Mikko's jump. Longest jump and landed far more on left than any other driver.

[smokin'joe]

Lappi very fast at last split
he has been going well, is he any relation of Ralliart Test driver Lassi Lappi?
Ogier only needs to make small error and Lappi and Paddon will pounce

[Negaiss]

My prediction of how the rally continues. 1. Loeb and Hirvonen continues to show amazing speed. 2. Ford drivers try to match the speed and do mistakes, looses some minutes. 3. Hirvonen is allowed to fight for the win, because loeb has good lead in championship and it's home rally for Hirvonen. 4.Loeb and Hirvonen is 2 or 3 minutes in front of everybody before last stage. 5. Loeb stil wins in pure competition and wins powrstage also.

[Miika]

Paddon on the side of the road somewhere before the service, bonnet open.
World Rally Championship - News - Paddon reveals engine woe in Finland (http://www.wrc.com/news/paddon-reveals-engine-woe-in-finland/?fid=17146&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

[Hartusvuori]

Paddon roadside on liason, bonnet up... Problems?

[A.F.F.]

Good fight between Ogier and Lappi...

Wrong event to judge the performance of any fin though to draw general conclusions.... many tomato cans performed well here and they were nothing on other events.


Atko is also on a good pace given the circumsatnces...he beats the future media champion Ketomaa...

Ogier knows these stages way better than Lappi. This is his second wrc rally ever. To match and be faster than Ogier is very promising.

[smokin'joe]

Paddon roadside on liason, bonnet up... Problems?

well that sure sucks. fingers crossed some Kiwi ingenuity will get them going.

[Miika]

At least Novikov made it to the service.

Stage end:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561281_489087534453534_1664479352_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561455_489087544453533_1037643731_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531558_489089064453381_239914033_n.jpg

[Plan9]

My disappointment of the rally is Ketomaa. He has not been on the pace this rally and in NZ he was quite disappointing. Did not expect to see Atko faster than him

[N.O.T]

ogier knows these stages way better than lappi. This is his second wrc rally ever. To match and be faster than ogier is very promising.

looool...

[MikeD]

Latvala almost equal with privateer Mads(+2,6) after 4 stages inside his home without problems.Not good.

I have said from the beginning that Latvala is sooooo overated. He rarely wins and he crashes all the time.

[amilk]

My disappointment of the rally is Ketomaa. He has not been on the pace this rally and in NZ he was quite disappointing. Did not expect to see Atko faster than him

I think it's time be realistic when peoples are claiming to put back Atko to manu seat. Simply not quick enough here and was not quick in Mexico (I know private etc but still)

[cali]

he has been going well, is he any relation of Ralliart Test driver Lassi Lappi?
Ogier only needs to make small error and Lappi and Paddon will pounce

Lasse Lampi and Esapekka Lappi. Different family names.

[A.F.F.]

looool...

The truth hurts eh?

[COD]

My disappointment of the rally is Ketomaa. He has not been on the pace this rally and in NZ he was quite disappointing. Did not expect to see Atko faster than him

There is one explanation: DMAC

[N.O.T]

The truth hurts eh?

yes ... Laaaaal...

[smokin'joe]

Lasse Lampi and Esapekka Lappi. Different family names.

true, my mistake. last seen Lasse mentioned a long time ago.

[TyPat107]

I think it's time be realistic when peoples are claiming to put back Atko to manu seat. Simply not quick enough here and was not quick in Mexico (I know private etc but still)

I disagree. He's going fairly well in a car that he has relatively no seat time in.

[andyone]

im Enjoying Lappi smelling Ogiers Back... lol that is a nice fight there. whats up with latvala.. i guess he is taking it easy waiting for the other stages

[A.F.F.]

yes ... Laaaaal...

Please enlighten me what is so hilarious with my post?

Let me first bend it to you from barbwire. Lappi has started rallying 2009. Before that he was karting and rally sprinting. This is his first year with 4wd machinery. This NORF is his first or second NORF, maybe someone can clarify it. In Finnish national rallies, the stages of NORF is not used, especially in the summer time.

I counted that this is Ogier's fifth NORF. Surely, with the math of sheep herder, you must realize that Ogier has more experience of these stages than Lappi ??

Anyway, enough of you, Lappi is nowhere near a complete rally driver and surely his pace won't be this good in foreign rallies to him BUT to be in par with Ogier here, is very promising and will be a boost to his selfconfidence for the future. I'm very happy that we have such a talent in making and maybe Lappi will be a part of WRC stuff in the future. :)

[Miika]

whats up with latvala.. i guess he is taking it easy waiting for the other stages

In the interviews he has said he has tried everything so far, from aggressive to more tidy style, so far without a result. On the local rally radio they mentioned that they won´t give Latvala any splits in the next few stages, so that he can concentrate purely on the driving. Playstation era, eh.

[A.F.F.]

Latvala needs a new setup for his brain......

[N.O.T]

Please enlighten me what is so hilarious with my post?

Let me first bend it to you from barbwire. Lappi has started rallying 2009. Before that he was karting and rally sprinting. This is his first year with 4wd machinery. This NORF is his first or second NORF, maybe someone can clarify it. In Finnish national rallies, the stages of NORF is not used, especially in the summer time.

I counted that this is Ogier's fifth NORF. Surely, with the math of sheep herder, you must realize that Ogier has more experience of these stages than Lappi ??

Anyway, enough of you, Lappi is nowhere near a complete rally driver and surely his pace won't be this good in foreign rallies to him BUT to be in par with Ogier here, is very promising and will be a boost to his selfconfidence for the future. I'm very happy that we have such a talent in making and maybe Lappi will be a part of WRC stuff in the future. :)

so in other words you are saying that a professional rally driver who is considered a future finnish star (No 3478) hasn't practised the worlds most famous stages all these years ??? i am not saying he did illegal recce but i really doubt he has not run these stages a million times before or at least more times than Ogier.... and even if he did not... the stages in finland are so unique that it is not really necessary to do the stages themselves to learn them....

[Mad cat jnr]

Of course it is neccassery to do them to learn them, there is NOWHERE like Finland, so how are you meant to be quick on stages that you have never driven anything like before?!

I am a member of the Nicky Grist Young Co-Driver Academy here in the UK and spent a day with Nicky and John MaCrone 2 weeks ago, Nicky was telling us stories of how he did the rally with Juha Kankkunen and he was reading the notes, but Juha didnt need them because he knew the roads and the cuts etc. he also told us of stories of how they did 1 recce pass and then went playing golf while everyone else carried on recceimng, experience (and seat time) are everything in world rallying!

[dimviii]

I disagree. He's going fairly well in a car that he has relatively no seat time in.

he had about 200+ km test with ds3.But for sure he isdoing well till now.

[TyPat107]

he had about 200+ km test with ds3.But for sure he isdoing well till now.

Ok, i thought I heard in an interview he had like 30km. My mistake.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen closes in :D :D very nice, hope this time he stays on the road and wins...

[N.O.T]

Paddon out retired before the stage.

[Rally Hokkaido]

And here's Paddon's explanation (engine) Photos du mur | Facebook (http://t.co/lzUI2PMZ)

[Miika]

Plot thickens in the S2000, 0.3 now the difference.

[dimviii]

nice video
Day 1 Highlights - 2012 WRC Rally Finland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_2LyBw6LI&feature=player_embedded#!)

[A.F.F.]

so in other words you are saying that a professional rally driver who is considered a future finnish star (No 3478) hasn't practised the worlds most famous stages all these years ??? i am not saying he did illegal recce but i really doubt he has not run these stages a million times before or at least more times than Ogier.... and even if he did not... the stages in finland are so unique that it is not really necessary to do the stages themselves to learn them....

That is excatly what I am saying. He just said in the radio that he is first time in these roads !!!!!!

You must understand something. This guy has won ALL the events in Finnish national series so far, against the guys who has way more experience of those roads also !!

So, swallow your pride and be a man instead of Mousefart. Ogier has more experience than Lappi and now he is feeling pressure of this youngster.

[AP-Racing]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. (st. č. 3) "I did some changes, it already feels better, but touching to the ground, maybe too low."

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[N.O.T]

Then you have no idea what you are saying...

wish the best to lappi.... lets see him on roads he REALLY doesn't know and then we can draw conclusions.

[N.O.T]

Loeb fights back...

[A.F.F.]

Then you have no idea what you are saying...

wish the best to lappi.... lets see him on roads he REALLY doesn't know and then we can draw conclusions.

You are just unbelievable my friend.....

However, I do agree with one thing. I wish Lappi all the best and let's hope he have the chance to rally all the roads in the future.

[stefanvv]

Loeb fights back...

With "small mistake", impressive

[N.O.T]

The thing is on every rally finland we have a new future media star... first was ketomaa, then rantanen, then lindroos, nikara, ects ects ects....now we have Lappi

What he does here is impressive indeed... but many people before him did it and the result was the same always in the last decade... they fail when they set foot on roads they do not know by heart.

He is still young and hope his managers have a better plan than make him a media champion...

When people realise that Finland is a unique event where local Knowledge counts for 70% of the performance (unless you are an alien like Loeb) then they actually might start have a chnce of disstinguishing between real talent and manager games...

I really wish that Lappi is a true talent and shows it in the following years and shows the speed he has now on events that differ from Finland.

[dimviii]

To our Fin mates....which stage of rally is exactly same as 2011 to compare stage times?

[N.O.T]

By comparing the mileage just Uria so far... 2+ seconds faster this year.... 5.59 compared to Hirvonen first pass in '11 6.01

and it is also the only one with the same Kms as in 2011... all the other stages are either different or have more or less Kms than in 2011

[N.O.T]

Wow Hirvonen in 2010 with 2lt WRC was 4 seconds faster than this years time of Loeb (first pass in both cases) 5.55.08 in 2010.... 5.59.05 this year

[dimviii]

By comparing the mileage just Uria so far... 2+ seconds faster this year.... 5.59 compared to Hirvonen first pass in '11 6.01

and it is also the only one with the same Kms as in 2011... all the other stages are either different or have more or less Kms than in 2011

thanks.What about Ouninpohja ? is the same as years back to compare times?

[N.O.T]

Ouninpohja hasn't been used in 11-10-09

[dimviii]

Ouninpohja hasn't been used in 11-10-09

yes i know that,is it the same distance?

[N.O.T]

Last time it was used it was back in 2007... and was 33 kms.. this year is 33.01.

[dimviii]

ok.Thanks Not.

[stefanvv]

Wow Hirvonen in 2010 with 2lt WRC was 4 seconds faster than this years time of Loeb (first pass in both cases) 5.55.08 in 2010.... 5.59.05 this year

This should be normal - 2l vs. 1.6l

[Mirek]

Last time it was used it was back in 2007... and was 33 kms.. this year is 33.01.

If I remember our Finns told that there were some major road works on Ouinpohja and that the stage is not in same shape as back then.

[bjalverud]

Last time it was used it was back in 2007... and was 33 kms.. this year is 33.01.

Same as SS 14/16 in 2007, without chicanes

[AP-Racing]

Guys, who is Hamalainen?

[jerse]

Atkinson off road in Lankamaa

[MikeD]

Atkinson off road in Lankamaa

He really isn't doing himself any favours. He is fast, but he really should focus on finishing in the points more than taking risks ... he might be a bit "rusty" in a WRC car but this is his second chance in a WRC car this year, and it's the results that matters. Let's hope he will be back tomorrow and can claw his way back...

[Juha_Koo]

Guys, who is Hamalainen?

Gentleman driver.

[bjalverud]

418959_10150960608000754_1892419506_n - hebergeur d'image - Casimages.com - (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=12080301574923605.jpg)

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty for Atko :(
What happened to Dubert on SS5 and to Protasov in SS6 :confused:

[N.O.T]

He really isn't doing himself any favours. He is fast, but he really should focus on finishing in the points more than taking risks ... he might be a bit "rusty" in a WRC car but this is his second chance in a WRC car this year, and it's the results that matters. Let's hope he will be back tomorrow and can claw his way back...

Atko unfortunatelly is a lost cause for some time now...

[Mikkaki]

Then you have no idea what you are saying...

wish the best to lappi.... lets see him on roads he REALLY doesn't know and then we can draw conclusions.

Im with you. We have seen those guys several times before. Like Mats Jonsson (1st in Rally Sweden 1992 and 1993) Thomas Rådström (2nd in Rally Sweden 2001), they'll go fast att there homeplace but then??? When this Lappi-kid takes a victory in another gravel rally then Finland I'll give him my consent.

[stefanvv]

Im with you. We have seen those guys several times before. Like Mats Jonsson (1st in Rally Sweden 1992 and 1993) Thomas Rådström (2nd in Rally Sweden 2001), they'll go fast att there homeplace but then??? When this Lappi-kid takes a victory in another gravel rally then Finland I'll give him my consent.

Yes, Rally Sweden, it is very specific isn't it? Same you might say for Panizzi in Corsica. There were/are some "specialized" drivers. Well Finns are a bit different - very fast on almost every surface, we might expect him to be "real" talent.

[N.O.T]

Yes, Rally Sweden, it is very specific isn't it? Same you might say for Panizzi in Corsica. There were/are some "specialized" drivers. Well Finns are a bit different - very fast on almost every surface, we might expect him to be "real" talent.

yes like ketomaa, paasonen, rovanpera, rantanen, lindroos, pykalisto, nikara blah blah blah....

[jerse]

Lappi's power steering is broken.

[EightGear]

Atkinson hit a rock, retirement I think.

[stefanvv]

This won't be Atkinson's Rally - hit a rock and lost wheel.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/fin/DSC_5425.jpgNice rally,tight dogfight,no major retirements.

some photos

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/fin/DSC_5390.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/fin/DSC_5137.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2012 Timo Anis (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=3494&fotograf=79)

[AP-Racing]

https://p.twimg.com/AzYNGdZCQAAII2r.jpg

[Mirek]

Lappi's power steering is broken.

That's a shame.

[userwave]

https://p.twimg.com/AzYNGdZCQAAII2r.jpg

I feel for Atkinson, but between this and his exit in Mexico, he is going to be a tough name to sell to any sponsors moving forward.

[jerse]

Nobre off road in SS 10. Mini is sleeping with fishes.

Edit.... Mini is not in fishpool :)

[N.O.T]

Green Clown of Nothingness !!!

[dimviii]

Nobre off road in SS 10. Mini is sleeping with fishes.

into a lake?

[Miika]

Evgeny´s adventures this morning:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1mK5JfxUA

[jerse]

into a lake?

First info said that Mini is in fishpool, but now information said it is in forest.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395881_489199001109054_1632200045_n.jpg

[N.O.T]

Poor Giraudet... he is too old for that !!!

[stefanvv]

"Little Green Pig" has been stuck in the mud. Might like it there :D

[Mirek]

I feel for Atkinson, but between this and his exit in Mexico, he is going to be a tough name to sell to any sponsors moving forward.

Atko was statistically the most crashing driver of whole WRC era and it doesn't seems to change...

[jonkka]

Atko was statistically the most crashing driver of whole WRC era and it doesn't seems to change...

Say what? juwra.com**|**Statistics - Retirements (http://www.juwra.com/stats_dnf.html)

[N.O.T]

Say what? juwra.com**|**Statistics - Retirements (http://www.juwra.com/stats_dnf.html)

maybe he means from works drivers... or maybe among the drivers when he was competing regularly not all times... or maybe he is wrong

[GigiGalliNo1]

So we think Loeb will win yes?

[N.O.T]

Hirovnen is running out of time i think if he doesn;t manage to take the lead after the next stage team orders to hold position are going to be employed... Latvala is no threat to the real men.

[Mirek]

Say what? juwra.com**|**Statistics - Retirements (http://www.juwra.com/stats_dnf.html)

WRC.com documentary (I think from 2009) was saying it was Atkinson ahead of Duval far in front of McRae or Mäkinen. I think they counted also retirement in legs which resulted into superally.

[stefanvv]

So we think Loeb will win yes?

Looks that way. He finishes today ahead and tomorrow won't need to fight anymore.

[Barreis]

If I remember right McRae was in 10th place (movie from 2009)...

[jonkka]

WRC.com documentary

Heh... Say no more...

[dimviii]

Looks that way. He finishes today ahead and tomorrow won't need to fight anymore.

with Fords at 20 sec behind he can t go slower.Diificult decision for Matton,he wouldlike to aply orders after leg finish,but Fords are close.

[jerse]

Mikkelsen in trouble... Engineproblems.

[Tom206wrc]

Mikkelsen in problems :mark:

[Mikkaki]

Say what? juwra.com**|**Statistics - Retirements (http://www.juwra.com/stats_dnf.html)

He said most crashing driver. Not most retirements.

[Tom206wrc]

Battle Östberg vs Neuville at its best: 2" gap after SS10 :D

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen in trouble... Engineproblems.

Ogier suspension problems.

[userwave]

Latvala is no threat to the real men.

hahah why so hard on him ? given his track record this season he is better of being "somewhat conservative" and at least finish then end up with another DNF

[dimviii]

Ogier suspension problems.

oh no next stage is 23 km

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Lappi too :(

[AP-Racing]

Piggy in oranges

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255256_4353090071221_1167401304_n.jpg

[dimviii]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/576132_10151167471203083_199432342_n.jpg

poor Wilson,he needs some budget to compete with Citroen.

[Tom206wrc]

Not a bad Finland rally for Aussie Molly Taylor until now :)

[stefanvv]

Latvala is no threat to the real men.

So is Solberg. Fords are just slower here.

[jonkka]

He said most crashing driver. Not most retirements.

Crash-prone driver hardly would feature 18th on list of drivers with lowest retirement ratio, would he?

[Tom206wrc]

10 minutes to go before start of the longest stage of the leg(SS11 is 23km) :cool:

[Miika]

Tweets saying Lappi is out from today, but after already losing a year on the last one it doesn´t really matter.

[A.F.F.]

And Lappi is out :(
How bad he went off? Can he continue with superrally?

[Tom206wrc]

Dubert was flying on SS10 among the 2WDs field :eek:

[logic]

Hirovnen is running out of time i think if he doesn;t manage to take the lead after the next stage team orders to hold position are going to be employed... Latvala is no threat to the real men.

So strange , last year Mikko was a sick dog and now he is a real man?

[stefanvv]

So strange , last year Mikko was a sick dog and now he is a real man?

Must have to do something with the car :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Frozen splits on SS11 :mark:

[A.F.F.]

Most amazed of them all I'm of Neuville !!!! Very good performance so far. And Block still between the ditches :D

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen fastest on first splits SS11 :cool:

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hanaa Mikko HANAA!! GO GO Mikko......

[Tom206wrc]

Interestingly Solberg has faster second split than Loeb :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

What ??? Solberg even faster than Hirvo on split 4 :confused:

[stefanvv]

And the winner of the last stage is.... Solberg

Edit: with gear selection problems :D

[AP-Racing]

Neuville stop on the stage

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville faster than Latvala with two splits to go ;)

[dimviii]

And the winner of the last stage is.... Solberg

Edit: with gear selection problems :D

Loeb mist junction,about a couple of seconds reported.

[Miika]

Neuville rolled, too bad.

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville stop on the stage



:eek: :confused:

[cali]

Neuville stopped on a stage!

[Tom206wrc]

Crash from Neuville(crew OK) :s

[Mirek]

Nikara faster than all S2000 now.

[A.F.F.]

Just as I wasw cheering him... :s

[AP-Racing]

Nikara faster than all S2000 now.

????
Where?

[Juha_Koo]

What happened to Dubert on SS5

He went off in our place, a bit weird off, he somehow lost it on the braking and slid to the ditch. It was a deep ditch so it took some time to get it out from there. I have some lifting photos as my sister took the camera when others went to push/warn.

[MartijnS]

Crash from Neuville(crew OK) :s

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/547745_388217007911706_221121092_n.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

Just as I was cheering him... :s

Well I suppose you'll be more careful in future.
:D

[AP-Racing]

Tamrazov

https://p.twimg.com/AzYv-aYCAAAHnxt.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Frozen splits again now :confused:

[AP-Racing]

Frozen splits again now :confused:

Short stage

[Mirek]

????
Where?

SS11

[Tom206wrc]

Martin Koci out :confused:

[gravelman]

Is the radio on irally working at all, cannot get rally radio on iiPad

[Mirek]

Martin Koci out
:confused:

Looks like that. Pity, he was doing great for his experience :(

[rallye-sport]

Second day -> http://www.rallye-sp...e-filande-2012/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-filande-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/dsc2833.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/finland_24.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/dsc2781.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

Again at 18th hour awake and still a bit longer than hour drive left. Glad we had those 3 hours of sleep...

We managed 4 stages today and all showed some nice driving action. Today it've been clear that at least Latvala is disarmed. Only good thing is that there are plenty of kilometres left still, but his voice at stage-end interviews have reached another octave stage by stage. And that means he can't help it. Loeb's pre-rally talks of not taking risks and all was once again just talk, psychological war, first scratch. On SS Mökkiperä 2 we were at well-known downhill left-right with a round stone on the inside. Loeb had most hunger there and perhaps cut the most. In the big SS Palsankylä jump he did some 30-40 metres, I think only Tänak jumped longer. On the said jump, both Latvala and Solberg had unrest with the car on landing which could tell there's some things to change at Ford. But that was only one - and very big - jump. On Urria's Mikko's jump there wasn't so big difference for top drivers, I think. For last today we ended up Lankamaa 2 some 700 metres before finish. Not really a planned spot, because we changed in three times while driving - it was almost a close-call. That was just nice passage of downhill left, but still the difference between Loeb and Latvala was clear. Hirvonen however could still have an ace in his sleeve - if not for team orders... Then again, Loeb could have two.

Lindroos have been keeping a great pace at 2WD, though on Lankamaa 2 it sounded his car wasn't at its best. Hopefully I'm wrong. Don't know exactly what happened at the end of Lankamaa 2, but last handful of cars drove through the stage (semi) road speed. I was told a car had caught fire near start of the stage but nothing more serious.

Shame for Neuville. For a first timer he kept great pace, especially considering the gap never really grew that big - for a first timer. And must admit Block has surprised me as well. He's always giving a bit of show, but still after all the expectations and talk, this could be most mature act from the eternal child.

Few more hours of sleep next and then ready for last set of stages.

[Hartusvuori]

Has this been linked?

Åhlins massive crash at Rally finland 2012 SS3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6KP2vMrous)

It's raining here, by the way.

[Malozerow]

some photos
Rallye de Finlande 2012-21.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/7694524120/in/photostream/)



Same girls different outfit ;)
Rallye de Finlande 2012-21.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/7705576468/)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_1aca9ca56f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_8945f1b81f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_3b204064b0.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_66a6d60a91.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_898d68c915.jpg

More photos from day 2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1059)