WRC-Neste Oil Rally Finland 2012

[Salist]

The Rally Guide 2 is published but the maps pdf is password protedted.
Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/)
Have someone the maps?

[Co-FIN]

The Rally Guide 2 is published but the maps pdf is password protedted.
Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/)
Have someone the maps?

Here
Neste Oil Rally Finland | Finland | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/Finland/rally/38/Neste-Oil-Rally-Finland)

[Salist]

Thanks a lot!

[Plan9]

Henning Solberg, yes, looks like all he wanted from WRC is to enjoy himself, and he did. Matt Wilson... I really don't what his agenda is, and I don't want to judge anybody, but with all these years in WRC he should have some progress. I mean, what is stopping him? Everything is setup to him, he don't have the problems of most of the young drivers - to find a sponsor and a good team, struggling over the years again and again with these. May be he is bored to be in the second Ford team?

uuu, that might be little harsh.

I agree with what you said about Henning. He was a charming guy and I miss seeing him around the WRC. About Wilson;I felt that Kris or Guy (or someone else from the British Isles who showed potential & speed, if being British was the criteria for Matt's drive) should have had the drive. Matt Wilson had a awesome opportunity with Stobart and he did not get the results to merit further investment. Perhaps I am being a bit harsh as well...

[donlorean]

I've heard that two new names is going to show up in entry list soon...

[Barreis]

Instead of who?

[pantealex]

Instead of who?
Nobody, only draft entrylist is out, so 2 new names coming

S and S
I believe

[DonJippo]

Nobody, only draft entrylist is out, so 2 new names coming

S and S
I believe

Both with Mini?

[Rallyper]

Nobody, only draft entrylist is out, so 2 new names coming

S and S
I believe

Why this hush-hush about names?

[pantealex]

Why this hush-hush about names?
I heard only first letter

[tolis]

Salo and Sordo??? :D

[greencroft]

The Rally Guide 2 is published but the maps pdf is password protedted.
Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/)
Have someone the maps?

Just went into this and out of curiosity looked at the tyre order form - seems competitors only get to LEASE the tyres i.e. have to hand the used ones back at the end and for the privilege pay €315 plus VAT per tyre for the Michelins (or only €180 for the D-Macks). I thought my gravel tyres were expensive but never realised that WRC competitors were paying this amount for them. Do the works teams get a discount?

[focus206]

or Sandell? ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Sandell perhaps... Or a long shot, Kristian Sohlberg.

[Miika]

S and S? Naturally it is C. Sainz (celebrating 50th birthday) and T. Salonen (60 last year). No? ...

[Addicted]

I said that because the last few years finnish drivers tend not to go abroad... like ketomaa, when he finally did it he was too old and he failed so hard it is not even funny.... yet he was hyped way too much like the next big thing... LOLORZ same for rantanen, lidroos and the list goes on and on and on...

The WRC needs the TRUE finnish champions back... not the wannabies, manager lap doggys, and media little kids we got fed for some time now

If what you say about lappi is true and he approaches his career like that then i wish him all the best and his chances are already look brighter than the jokes the media presented as future champions.



I think everyone is aware of that... that is why rallying is not for "favela boys" and you must be prepared to lose a lot of money if you want to get some back (and that is a big IF).

However i disagree that becoming a rally driver in IRC or WRC it isn't video game.... Nobre with no driving skills at all (let alone rally skills) proves that to become a WRC rally driver you need MONEY...

To become a manufacturer driver is a different story and not even talent, money, sponsors, connection can help you if you do not have luck and be there at the right time.

Ketomaa is one of most talented guys at the moment here, too bad hes chosen wrong paths during years. Crappy chinese team and DMACK now. Rantanen is just average talent with enthusiastic team around him, Lindroos is fast and poor who had golden opportunity in NORF last year.

Now you are getting true champion back when Sebastian Lindholm returns... And Juha Salo as multiple champion gets his chance with Proton. Though hes never been succesful in longer international rallyes. Hope these two WRC rounds will make an exception for him.

Lets give Lappi some time to see if he really can make it to the top. I believe he will.

Nobre is just having fun time in WRC, why wouldnt he cause he can afford it? Even he has been learning about driving during hes program. Its unfortunate that everyone aint supertalents with millions on their pockets to create career. Not every orange kicker become Pele. Rallying has always been hobby for rich people and let it be like that. That is their way to support rallying.

[vkangas]

Sandell perhaps... Or a long shot, Kristian Sohlberg.
I'd also go for Salo and K. Sohlberg.

[vkangas]

Now you are getting true champion back when Sebastian Lindholm returns... And Juha Salo as multiple champion gets his chance with Proton. Though hes never been succesful in longer international rallyes. Hope these two WRC rounds will make an exception for him.

Nice to see Lindholm once again, but we have to remember that it's only one rally for fun (50 years in the meter tradition of Finnish champions...). Juha Salo is also past his Peak. Both of these drivers have done many things little differently than others. They have been very successful in Finland but have chosen to make rally career/business in Finland. For some (personal) reasons they have never tried 100% to build international career.

For some members who are not familiar with Lindholm: He is 8 time Finnish rally champion and has 8 second places. He is also 3 time Finnish rallysprint champion. :)

[dimviii]

For some members who are not familiar with Lindholm: He is 8 time Finnish rally champion and has 8 second places. He is also 3 time Finnish rallysprint champion. :)

Ι think Lindholm has a relation with Gronholm?

[Juha_Koo]

Ι think Lindholm has a relation with Gronholm?

He is Grönholm's cousin.

Also, please note that in these Mini speculations, Salo in question is former F1 driver MIKA Salo, not 7-times Finnish champion JUHA Salo, as he is 100% committed to his Proton drive.

[Tinke1979]

I´ve heard from a friend (who heard it from another friend etc.) that Riku Tahko will drive WRC Mini on Rally Finland.. But this information is somewhat not so reliable (at this time atleast)..

[[WRCRR]]

I´ve heard from a friend (who heard it from another friend etc.) that Riku Tahko will drive WRC Mini on Rally Finland.. But this information is somewhat not so reliable (at this time atleast)..

Confirmed by latest entry list: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2012-07-10T15-38-31253.pdf

No Mika Salo though...

EDIT: There is one addition, Joonas Lindroos with Citroën C2 R2.

[pantealex]

]Confirmed by latest entry list: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2012-07-10T15-38-31253.pdf

No Mika Salo though...

EDIT: There is one addition, Joonas Lindroos with Citroën C2 R2.
and Riku Tahko with MINI

[Tinke1979]

]Confirmed by latest entry list: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2012-07-10T15-38-31253.pdf

No Mika Salo though...

EDIT: There is one addition, Joonas Lindroos with Citroën C2 R2.


Nice :) I sure hope that Riku will make some good stage times!

[tolis]

Which double "S" entries you meant?

[[WRCRR]]

and Riku Tahko with MINI

Yes, like I said the latest entry list confirmed what Tinke1979 reported earlier. Tahko was already entered in S2000, he just changed car to WRC Mini. Only addition to the original list is Lindroos, who was not included at all before.

EDIT: Also, Craig Breen's co-driver has been updated to Kris Meeke's usual co-driver Paul Nagle. Looks like Breen might start after all - I really hope so and wish all the best to this crew!

[Salist]

Can someone how much will be the parking fee near the spacial stages? Thanks.

[pantealex]

Can someone how much will be the parking fee near the spacial stages? Thanks.
usually between 2-5€, sometimes nothing.

[Salist]

pantealex: Many thanks!

[Miika]

No NORF for M. Salo apparently.
https://twitter.com/realmikasalo

[stefanvv]

Chris Atkinson eyes podium on Rally Finland - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101136)
Is he serious?

[N.O.T]

Chris Atkinson eyes podium on Rally Finland - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101136)
Is he serious?

words are for free...

[janvanvurpa]

Chris Atkinson eyes podium on Rally Finland - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101136)
Is he serious?

Was he ever? :rolleyes:

[AMSS]

Ketomaa is one of most talented guys at the moment here, too bad hes chosen wrong paths during years. Crappy chinese team and DMACK now. Rantanen is just average talent with enthusiastic team around him, Lindroos is fast and poor who had golden opportunity in NORF last year.

Now you are getting true champion back when Sebastian Lindholm returns... And Juha Salo as multiple champion gets his chance with Proton. Though hes never been succesful in longer international rallyes. Hope these two WRC rounds will make an exception for him.

Lets give Lappi some time to see if he really can make it to the top. I believe he will.

Nobre is just having fun time in WRC, why wouldnt he cause he can afford it? Even he has been learning about driving during hes program. Its unfortunate that everyone aint supertalents with millions on their pockets to create career. Not every orange kicker become Pele. Rallying has always been hobby for rich people and let it be like that. That is their way to support rallying.

I don`t think it`s fair to blame all on the DMacks, if you would know the actual difference between DMacks and Michelin on back to back testing with WRC cars, all other manufactorers except Citroen has done and are doing this(that`s not even a big secret) you`d be surprised how close they really are, in some conditions even faster!
Also bear in mind that Ketomaas teams Fiesta is not full spec factory car. Of course he can`t be as fast a driver as the works guys either due to limited time in a WRC!

[Juha_Koo]

Also bear in mind that Ketomaas teams Fiesta is not full spec factory car.

At minimum, 1s/km slower...

[N.O.T]

At minimum, 1s/km slower...

Is it any different than Ostbergs and Novikovs cars ??

[AMSS]

Is it any different than Ostbergs and Novikovs cars ??

Yes!

[AMSS]

In particular the driver is different... If there has been a top WRC-driver in the car and he is slower than usual, then I will believe it, blaming the car is too easy...
But I still have a lot of respect for Ketomaa and I'm confident about it that he will set great times in Finland.

We`ll engine mapping, damper homologations, some specific differential parts not to be confused with different diff setups, some weightdistribution stuff etc. lots and lots of small things make one big thing.
And I`m not saying that Ketomaa would win in a similar car but I know for a fact that there are for instance these differences between Ketomaas car and the works cars.
Also M-sport cars have much more updates than "private" cars! Basically if you get the good stuff Malcolm has to be able to control that no one else can see it...

[Rallyper]

Rumours say that Mads and Novikov get better parts for Finland. I heard it from a reliable source.

[Francis44]

In this video (WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 - Vascão (Vip zone) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcygsDMg35E)) you can see the difference between Ketomaa and the others.

He is the only driver to lift on that corner after the slow righ hander. Bear in mind that I think the car was working good in this stage.

[AMSS]

[quote="Francis44"]In this video (WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 - Vascão (Vip zone) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcygsDMg35E)) you can see the difference between Ketomaa and the others.

He is the only driver to lift on that corner after the slow righ hander. Bear in mind that I think the car was working good in this stage.[/QUOTE

Wasn`t he driving with Michelins in Portugal??

[AMSS]

That's how it was, the DMack team drove on Michelins in Portugal, check it out if you whish, I'm sure it's even here in the archives!

[A FONDO]

We`ll engine mapping, damper homologations, some specific differential parts not to be confused with different diff setups, some weightdistribution stuff etc. lots and lots of small things make one big thing.
And I`m not saying that Ketomaa would win in a similar car but I know for a fact that there are for instance these differences between Ketomaas car and the works cars.
Also M-sport cars have much more updates than "private" cars! Basically if you get the good stuff Malcolm has to be able to control that no one else can see it...

Prokop drove the same car in Argentina and posted better times than Ketomaa can dream for

[N.O.T]

It is very nice to see that when a driver fails it is always the car...

[DonJippo]

Prokop drove the same car in Argentina and posted better times than Ketomaa can dream for

That was more due to nominated tyre compound than anything else.

[janvanvurpa]

Basically if you get the good stuff Malcolm has to be able to control that no one else can see it...

Anybody who pays can buy the Homologation papers. EVERY part on the car must be in the homologation papers with a description and a photgramph and/or a drawing, and a part number.Lengths, weights, tooth counts, everything---unless everything has changed since when World Rally Car rules became the norm.. I have Homologation papers for my old saab for Groups 1, 2, 4 and GroupA, i have Ford Capri Group 1,2 and 4 and I have Opel Kadett GSI 16v, and have spent some pleasant time looking at World Rally Car Escort Cosworth.. and writing down things (like +10mm longer connecting rod than the old Sierra or '93 spec Escort Cosworth, something I was glad to see)

Have they done away with Homologation papers now? They can't have.

[AMSS]

Anybody who pays can buy the Homologation papers. EVERY part on the car must be in the homologation papers with a description and a photgramph and/or a drawing, and a part number.Lengths, weights, tooth counts, everything---unless everything has changed since when World Rally Car rules became the norm.. I have Homologation papers for my old saab for Groups 1, 2, 4 and GroupA, i have Ford Capri Group 1,2 and 4 and I have Opel Kadett GSI 16v, and have spent some pleasant time looking at World Rally Car Escort Cosworth.. and writing down things (like +10mm longer connecting rod than the old Sierra or '93 spec Escort Cosworth, something I was glad to see)

Have they done away with Homologation papers now? They can't have.

Yes everybody can pay IF someone sells...That`s how it works at M-sport! A car can several homologations for same parts!

[A.F.F.]

Yes there have been problems with tyres. Yes there have been problems with the car, with the setup, with the engine mapping. But still, at some point I would have wished at least ONE top stage time for Ketomaa. I have to say I wished more from him. If he is not able to deliver something outstanding at NORF, I'm afraid it's all over from him. If not already :mark:

[AMSS]

I couldn't agree more!

[tolis]

Kruuda's livery for NORF:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/600131_398467123545170_1126859454_n.jpg

[N.O.T]

If he is not able to deliver something outstanding at NORF, I'm afraid it's all over from him. If not already :mark:

It is over long long time ago for him... doing good in Finalnd means nothing anymore.

[A.F.F.]

It is over long long time ago for him... doing good in Finalnd means nothing anymore.

I'm afraid you are right about that.

[Arska]

Kruuda's livery for NORF:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/600131_398467123545170_1126859454_n.jpg

Looks a bit like a touring car.

[dimviii]

Lappi testing for Finland.Nice video!!
Esapekka Lappi preparing for Rally Finland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3btQkj2sgxI&feature=player_embedded)

[Juha_Koo]

Most likely two entry cancellations coming after Saturday's FRC event in Kouvola and hard crashes which happened. Annala had a bad roll after a jump (car landed copletely on the nose and started to roll rear-front-rear-front...) and car is destroyed. Kaisanlahti had a really nasty off, went off and hit a tree stump, 100+ kph to 0 in less than a second, engine came into cabin etc. Both taken to hospital. I'll write a bit more tomorrow to the FRC thread when I have time.

[Tinke1979]

O.K. AUTO SM RALLI Kouvola 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkjDq86qhU) -- From this clip you can see Annala´s heavy roll after jump...

OK Ralli 14.07.2012 EK 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5n9VjBjk0&feature=share) -- Here is Kaisanlahti.. Very heavy impact :(

[MartijnS]

Meh..really bad impact.

[A.F.F.]

O.K. AUTO SM RALLI Kouvola 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkjDq86qhU) -- From this clip you can see Annala´s heavy roll after jump...

OK Ralli 14.07.2012 EK 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5n9VjBjk0&feature=share) -- Here is Kaisanlahti.. Very heavy impact :(

They both look bad but the latter one is terrible :(

[CellarDoor]

Did anyone order tickets online and if so have you received them yet? I am sure many people who are local pick them up somewhere but I wanted to insure I got them and they still have not arrived. I leave the US in just over 10 days so I am starting to get worried.

Also, right now my plan is to drive to our hotel in Laukaa then possibly drive back for SS3 at night.

On Friday we are looking at catching SS4 and then SS6. We also though about sticking around for SS8 but that would require us driving back by our hotel in Laukaa. Any thoughts or advice? We need to be back to Helsinki later afternoon on Friday and I am not sure how it is at rally's like this driving between stages and parking? Is it mostly all well groomed dirt roads between stages - I know that seems horrible to ask since I am attending a rally (lol) but I will driving my brand new Volvo and I can't return it back to the factory for shipment to the US with any "damage":-)

[A.F.F.]

Did anyone order tickets online and if so have you received them yet? I am sure many people who are local pick them up somewhere but I wanted to insure I got them and they still have not arrived. I leave the US in just over 10 days so I am starting to get worried.

Also, right now my plan is to drive to our hotel in Laukaa then possibly drive back for SS3 at night.

On Friday we are looking at catching SS4 and then SS6. We also though about sticking around for SS8 but that would require us driving back by our hotel in Laukaa. Any thoughts or advice? We need to be back to Helsinki later afternoon on Friday and I am not sure how it is at rally's like this driving between stages and parking? Is it mostly all well groomed dirt roads between stages - I know that seems horrible to ask since I am attending a rally (lol) but I will driving my brand new Volvo and I can't return it back to the factory for shipment to the US with any "damage":-)

Just to make sure I understood. You arrive thursday 2nd to Helsinki, plan to drive to your hotel at Laukaa, then drive back south to catch stage 3 Mynnilä?( it's going to be late when you finally get to sleep) Then, on friday morning head to stages 4 and 6, possibly drive north to SS8 which starts at 1.32 pm and then try to get back to Helsinki at late afternoon?? It's not going to happen. First of all, there are basicly two different routes to Helsinki, at both sides of lake Päijänne. If you are on a tight schedule, I'd strongly recommend you forget SS8 and choose your way back after SS6. The reason is that there are a PLENTY of others also on the roads. That weekend police will be monitoring speedlimits so from SS6 I would say it'll take about 2,5hrs at least to Helsinki.

The roads between the stages are dirt roads but depending how you approach them, you may get relatively close via tarmac roads. The dirt roads are in good shape, not too many bumps so from that point you don't have to worry about your brand new Volvo ;) Of course, if you're not able to stick in between the ditches..... :p BUT, I would like to point out again, those stages are very popular and there are plenty of people with cars in that area so there will be waiting in lines etc.

Every year folks explode their heads because they get frustrated when they realize they are not going to make to stages in time ... because they make too tight schedules. Some members here probably still remember my awesome shortcut through the small roads. :D

My advice is that don't make too big of a bite. And remember that if the routes and timetables on rally guide look possible, it is just theory. You need time on stages as well in order to look a perfect spot for your rally experience :)

[CellarDoor]

Thanks AFF, your are probably right; after looking at the actual distances it's not going to happen. I think SS8 is out of the question but it sounds like trying to make SS4 and 6 might be tight too? The only reason we decided to drive back to SS3 is because originally we planned to hit SS1 on the way north to Helsinki on the way to Laukaa but didn't realize how much later SS1 started (as we get into Helsinki on the ferry shortly after 6am). We then decided me might drive to our hotel and spend some time there - maybe catch a nap before heading out to the night stage. Seems like we might be doing lots of traveling that night though - how much time (each way) to drive from Laukaa to SS3?

It sounds like it might be a better idea for us to hang out in Helsinki a bit in the morning before heading north to SS1 - would you estimate that taking approx 1.5 hours? After SS1 we can travel on to our hotel in Laukaa with the possibility of getting there by 20:00? Maybe later? I guess we'll have to decide how much sleep we want.

Pardon my ignorance with how the rally runs and spectating works, I am used to US Rallys which are much less spectated and spectating areas are usually at the finish or start so everyone is parked up the road at start or finish and that is it. You can hike into the woods a bit but certain stages are not even open to spectators so it is harder for me to wrap my head around how this works but I,m sure I can just follow the crowds :-) Is there a good spectating map I can pick up when I arrive in Finland?

BTW..I made this post today and got home and my two Rally passes were in the mail!

[A.F.F.]

First of all, summer here in Finland means that the sun won't go down until very late for a short period of time. So, even the stages start late in the evening doesn't mean that they will be driven in the dark. You only drive back to your hotel dark :)

You have estimated the times pretty well. From Helsinki to SS1 it'll take about 1,5hrs depending the traffic as well as from your hotel to SS 3. That probably take a little bit more because many travelling from north will take the same route as you will.

You may buy an official rally guide from Neste Oil gas stations in which are very good stage guides, including parking and spectating directions. Don't worry, there are about a million of NESTE stations all over Finland. After you have parked you car, you may find a way to the official spectating point or you may follow the stage in the woods and find yourself a better spot ;) There will be marshalls who moderate the stage, some of them are friendly, some of them are not. Don't worry, none of them carry a gun :D . As long as your own spectating point is in a safe place, the marshalls probably won't say anything. The stage is closed an hour before the stage starts and after that you must hike in the woods, not on the stage. This is the reason I recommend a flexible timetable. When you reach the stage and have parked your car, it is very good if you have time to locate a perfect spectating point of your own. At official spectating areas there are services, tents where they sell MAKKARA, sausages, coffee etc.

Your plan to get SS4 and SS6 seem realistic unless you want to see all the cars. If you skip the latter part of the cars, you can make it easily from SS 4 to SS6.

One good hint is to listen the rally radio where there are directions and news conserning the rally, trafficjams, parking jams also in english. It's usefull when you have a plan to find a certain parking area and it's allready full. They usually warn that in the rally radio.

[Franky]

Thanks for the info. Is it really not allowed to walk on the stage from 1 hour before the stage starts? Even just quickly crossing the stage for example is forbidden?

Depends on the location and marshall. In a crowded place it's a nightmare.

[A.F.F.]

Thanks for the info. Is it really not allowed to walk on the stage from 1 hour before the stage starts? Even just quickly crossing the stage for example is forbidden?

Yes it is. But of course folks use the stage, especially if the marshalls won't see. The use of common sense is highly recommenned. They send zero cars before the first WRC, when those pass you by, it's better to be on the spot already. It's not only your own safety but if the marshalls see that spectators are not in proper places, the stage might be in jeopardy. The official spectating points are usually very crowded so IMO it's better to find a place of your own.

Oh and btw.... there are two different rally guides on sale. The official is Tuulilasi magazine and the unofficial is VM magazine which used to be official many year. I haven't seen Tuulilasi edition but VM is very good. YOu can find them for instance Neste Stations. ( Neste should give me free diesel for year for this promotion ;) )

[pantealex]

VM (vauhdin maailma) Rally Guide is out today, last 20years this has been the official one.
This year Tuulilasi Rally Guide is the official one and it will be out tomorrow 18.7

Both cost about 8€, so get them both

They sell them everywhere, gas stations, food stores and also in Helsinki Airport and Ferries to Finland

You will Find all the info you need in those magazines, written in English also.

[pantealex]

Rally HQ and servicepark are easy to visit we and thu, little bit harder fri and sat.
There is many parkinghouses near servicepark, max 10min walking.

[Salist]

Could someone tell me, where is this turn of the SS Ruuhimaki?
Neste Oil Rally Finland 2011 Shakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JIj8qyrSw)
Many thanks.

[HarriK]

Nearly end of the stage, very easy to get there.

[Salist]

Thanks HarriK.
Maybe here is a TEBOIL petrol station near the 9 road.


Nearly end of the stage, very easy to get there.

[Juha_Koo]

After a quick glance, the VM guide looks good. Stagemaps are precise "orienteering maps" and it also has a big complete rally route map. Though it feels that VM is completely pointed to Finnish spectators as it doesn't contain anything in English... Some nice fill stories e.g. big Ouninpohja story and some interviews.



Thanks HarriK.
Maybe here is a TEBOIL petrol station near the 9 road.

Yes, the place is easy to reach from that junction. But ofcourse there is going to be lots of people, so possibly car has to be parked a bit further away.

[Salist]

Many thanks the informations Juha_koo.
I have the last VM edition and I remember that includes a few information about special stages in English.


After a quick glance, the VM guide looks good. Stagemaps are precise "orienteering maps" and it also has a big complete rally route map. Though it feels that VM is completely pointed to Finnish spectators as it doesn't contain anything in English... Some nice fill stories e.g. big Ouninpohja story and some interviews.




Yes, the place is easy to reach from that junction. But ofcourse there is going to be lots of people, so possibly car has to be parked a bit further away.

[RS]

It is very nice to see that when a driver fails it is always the car...

Only applies to Finnish drivers though.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Many thanks the informations Juha_koo.
I have the last VM edition and I remember that includes a few information about special stages in English.

Tuulilasi is now official rally magazine. Maybe there is little english too. Tomorrow we can see that.
http://www.tuulilasi.fi/artikkelit/mm-rallin-virallinen-katsojaopas-ilmestyi

[HarriK]

Tuulilasi is now official rally magazine. Maybe there is little english too. Tomorrow we can see that.
MM-rallin virallinen katsojaopas ilmestyi | Tuulilasi (http://www.tuulilasi.fi/artikkelit/mm-rallin-virallinen-katsojaopas-ilmestyi)


If NOT, maybe we have to do the translation for members ;)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

If NOT, maybe we have to do the translation for members ;)

Oh yes. And that have to be real ralli enklish.

[janvanvurpa]

Oh yes. And that have to be real ralli enklish.

Vi hav gud stage tajm but the söspendöös was prokken så vi ver biten by coupla sekunds..

. like that realy ralli englantalainen?
Voi vittu! :uhoh:

[Rallyper]

Hyyvvin suomean puhutaan John! Minä ollen Ruotsalainen.

[janvanvurpa]

Hyyvvin suomean puhutaan John! Minä ollen Ruotsalainen.

Ei poika. En edes vittu lue se erittäin hyvä. Kuka voi todella lukea tuota paskaa? Saksa, varmista, ranska ei ole ongelma, italia helppo, Hollanti on helppoa kaikille Englanti ja ruotsinkielinen idiootti, vaikka mitä toverit puhuvat yli, että tie on suhteellisen helppoa. Mutta perkeleen helvetin suomalainen, en usko niitä kusipäät voi todella lukea sitä.

Och jag fattar ej mycket Amerikanskij hellre men det är mer betydelse än själva ensatka ord.

（tack Google）

[AMSS]

Only applies to Finnish drivers though.

If NOT was referring to my comments about the difference in the cars for Ketomaa, than you completely misunderstood my intention, what I meant was only to try and enlighten the difference between factory cars and customer cars. Same differences applies for as well Novikov, Kresta, Block, Östberg etc. Though the M-sport cars have more upgrades than the completely privateer cars.
Everybody can look at the results and see who drives with what car the best! For instance Novikov and Östberg have identical cars, Solberg and J_M identical etc. That was my point NOThing else...
This discussion is over and out for me!

[AMSS]

Ei poika. En edes vittu lue se erittäin hyvä. Kuka voi todella lukea tuota paskaa? Saksa, varmista, ranska ei ole ongelma, italia helppo, Hollanti on helppoa kaikille Englanti ja ruotsinkielinen idiootti, vaikka mitä toverit puhuvat yli, että tie on suhteellisen helppoa. Mutta perkeleen helvetin suomalainen, en usko niitä kusipäät voi todella lukea sitä.

Och jag fattar ej mycket Amerikanskij hellre men det är mer betydelse än själva ensatka ord.




Jeesus Christ din finska är ju jävligt bra, kunde nästan tro att du är finne... tai jotain sellaista.
Some complements are in order! ;)

[janvanvurpa]

Ei poika. En edes vittu lue se erittäin hyvä. Kuka voi todella lukea tuota paskaa? Saksa, varmista, ranska ei ole ongelma, italia helppo, Hollanti on helppoa kaikille Englanti ja ruotsinkielinen idiootti, vaikka mitä toverit puhuvat yli, että tie on suhteellisen helppoa. Mutta perkeleen helvetin suomalainen, en usko niitä kusipäät voi todella lukea sitä.

Och jag fattar ej mycket Amerikanskij hellre men det är mer betydelse än själva ensatka ord.




Jeesus Christ din finska är ju jävligt bra, kunde nästan tro att du är finne... tai jotain sellaista.
Some complements are in order! ;)

Eiii helvetti! jag sade "tack google'' för deras översättare, pga jag kan bara läsa ytterst liten finska.

Det är synd, men jag missade chansen mellan 35-40 år sen. Du vet under den tiden det fanns några hundratusen Finnar i Sverige, och jag jobbade i svensk industri som svarare och sen svetsare och lärde min ''rikitiga jobb'' att åka moto-cross över hela avlånga landet och senare över hela Väst Europa lite överallt t.o.m. Syd Afrika, allt utom granlandet där ni galningar bor.... Även hade några heta äffar med mycket såt finska ''cuties''. Alla åren slitande brevid massor av Finnar och jag kan svära och räkna till 3 eller 4 ibland.. Och dom flest ord som jag kan är mestadel lån ord från tysk eller svensk, eller tyska via svenska.

Men aldrig kom på besök... Synd.

uh oh,

I can do a very passable imitation of Finland-svensk..

One day......I'll make it there, I really want to see F-cup in person, I was the one who introduced America to F-cup, makes sense I should see it.. Jotkut humalassa on lähtenyt ovelta kumi huoneeseen auki ja ne karannut hullu turvakodit
Only reasonable explanation.

[AMSS]

Eiii helvetti! jag sade "tack google'' för deras översättare, pga jag kan bara läsa ytterst liten finska.

Det är synd, men jag missade chansen mellan 35-40 år sen. Du vet under den tiden det fanns några hundratusen Finnar i Sverige, och jag jobbade i svensk industri som svarare och sen svetsare och lärde min ''rikitiga jobb'' att åka moto-cross över hela avlånga landet och senare över hela Väst Europa lite överallt t.o.m. Syd Afrika, allt utom granlandet där ni galningar bor.... Även hade några heta äffar med mycket såt finska ''cuties''. Alla åren slitande brevid massor av Finnar och jag kan svära och räkna till 3 eller 4 ibland.. Och dom flest ord som jag kan är mestadel lån ord från tysk eller svensk, eller tyska via svenska.

Men aldrig kom på besök... Synd.

uh oh,

I can do a very passable imitation of Finland-svensk..

One day......I'll make it there, I really want to see F-cup in person, I was the one who introduced America to F-cup, makes sense I should see it.. Jotkut humalassa on lähtenyt ovelta kumi huoneeseen auki ja ne karannut hullu turvakodit
Only reasonable explanation.


Saken e biff, om du nångång kommer och behöver hjälp då du kommer så kan en liten finlandssvensk stå till tjänst..!

[Jajá]

En puhu suomea! Puhutteko englantia? (emergency sentence!) :)

[N.O.T]

I think we had enough of Finnish talk in an international forum.... if you want to say something about the event please do it in English for the benefit of everyone, otherwise PM eachother.

[stefanvv]

What about Rally Finland? A Finn will win :D

[A.F.F.]

I think we had enough of Finnish talk in an international forum.... if you want to say something about the event please do it in English for the benefit of everyone, otherwise PM eachother.

Most of it was swedish :mark:

[pantealex]

I have both rally magazines (VM and Tuulilasi)
and
Tuulilasi official rally magazine is much more better for English speaking rally visitors
It has all the rally info in english, even the big 8-page rallymap is with english notes.
8€ from Neste Oil stations, 10€ in other shops

VM (vauhdin maailma) is only in Finnish language this year

both have same fails:
car 32 Craig Breen co driver Paul Nagle´s neme is missing
car 53 Riku Tahko is not driving Fiesta S2000, he is in MINI WRC
car 98 Joonas Lindroos C2-R2 not in entrylist

[N.O.T]

Most of it was swedish :mark:

it doesn't make much difference in the end... does it ?

[Franky]

Pantealex, but which one is better if you leave the language aside?

[pantealex]

Pantealex, but which one is better if you leave the language aside?

Tuulilasi, it has lot more info for getting in stages (ie SS3: VM tells you how to get start and finish and Tuulilasi has 7 different places to see the stage)

VM has no road closing times, Tuulilasi has them.

Tuulilasi is just like VM has been and VM is worse than before.

[pantealex]

Pantealex, but which one is better if you leave the language aside?

Tuulilasi, it has lot more info for getting in stages (ie SS3: VM tells you how to get start and finish and Tuulilasi has 7 different places to see the stage)

VM has no road closing times, Tuulilasi has them.

Tuulilasi is just like VM has been and VM is worse than before.

[janvanvurpa]

En puhu suomea! Puhutteko englantia? (emergency sentence!) :) Yeah but it is in Finland thread, so why not write in one of the 2 official languages there? I have made some efforts at reading Pork-and cheese when I knew a bunch of crazy rally guys from the Azores and one guy from Mozambique, but it was hard. Those guys said Brasilian was even harder because so much slang, and so many diphthongs... Keeping this a little to WRC Finland is Nobre coming? Does he, or has he done any events in Brasil or nearby like Argentina?

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[Jajá]

Yeah but it is in Finland thread, so why not write in one of the 2 official languages there? I have made some efforts at reading Pork-and cheese when I knew a bunch of crazy rally guys from the Azores and one guy from Mozambique, but it was hard. Those guys said Brasilian was even harder because so much slang, and so many diphthongs... Keeping this a little to WRC Finland is Nobre coming? Does he, or has he done any events in Brasil or nearby like Argentina?

Yep, for N.O.T.'s happiness :-), Nobre will be present in Finland (it's his 2nd time in Finland, btw), as well as he's supposed to run all WRC events this year.

[A.F.F.]

it doesn't make much difference in the end... does it ?

Yes it does. It makes all the difference. 6-1 :)

[Hartusvuori]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/471170_448128798541883_1234045454_o.jpg

Riku Tahko's Mini. Picture from Toksport's FB.

[AMSS]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/471170_448128798541883_1234045454_o.jpg

Riku Tahko's Mini. Picture from Toksport's FB.

Good that there are more WRC drivers, but he`ll be happy if he can keep up with the S2000 cars or even Gr.N cars...

[[WRCRR]]

Any news on whether H. Solberg or Rantanen are going to start or not?

[SubaruNorway]

Bit of a late call but I'm thinking about going by myself, does anyone happen to know of a place to stay in Jyväskylä city? Alkio Opisto is still free close to the end of Leustu but would be nice to stay somewhere else for a change.

[Abarth]

Anything in rumour of Henning in Mini?

[zdr65]

Dear rally friends,

I will have a second chance to attend the great rally Finland which will take place this year.
From my first visit in 2007 I had great experience and moments. Especially the great car jumps in Ouninpohja, Velipohja!!!

Our group of people is coming from Bulgaria in the evening of 30th July and we are going to stay close to Jamsa, cottage in Himos.

I will let you know my plan for watching the rally by segments. I will appreciate if you can answer the questions I have. We would like to watch jumps and fast-driving segments as much as we can. I spent many nights in searching in Google maps and other websites, watching clips, so I made the following schedule:
01.08. Shakedown
I chose two jumps one after another, which are situated in a long distance before the finale.
02.08. SS 1 –Can you please advise me a place where we can watch fast racers? In some of the articles on the web I watched an amateur clip with a regular car, but I didn’t see any jumps on that segment. Is that right?
I would be happy if you advice me where to watch SS3, as it is a new one and we are interested in it.
03.08
1. SS4 Urria – the chosen place is a car jump close to Orrati lake.
My question is the following: Can you reach that segment with a car from road Hakamaentie, which is separating from road 23?
Or can I go from road Uriantie east, where it intersects with the segment, but from that point to the car-jump place is around 3 km, isn’t it too far?
2. SS7-10 Palsankyla – the chosen place is the car-jump segment close to Iso Pohjoislampi lake. We can enter to the segment from road Pilkakoskentie.
Or we can enter from Aholantie, where in my opinion is closer to the car jump.
Since there will be too many people and cars, do you, guys, think that we can go from SS4 to SS7 in time? My plan is to watchWRC and S2000 at SS4.
3. SSS – do you think we will manage to reach it after SS10?
04.08.
1. SS 14 Leustu – Jump Novikov, is situated on road Hirvimaentie. Since SS will be on the opposite direction, do you think that there will be a jump on that opposite side?
2. SS Ouninpohja –jump Yellow house !

Maybe there is incorrect information and some mistkaes in all that I mentioned above but after all it is in theory. Probably many of the questions I asked you about would have their answers after I arrive there and buy the schedule (parking lots, how to reach the segments and etc.)

Thank you in advance to all of you for your comments and pieces of advice!

Best rally regards,
Zdravko

[pantealex]

Sebastian Lindholm is driving Tamrazov's WRC.
original idea was drive with S2000, but Oleksei Tamrazov said that it is same for him which car he drives in NORF.
So, WRC for Basti and S2000 for Oleksei

Source: mtv3.fi

[pantealex]

Mads Östbergs car was in Printsport Lievestuore this morning.
probably testing somewhere near Laukaa today.

[zdr65]

Dear rally friends,
I will have a second chance to attend the great rally Finland which will take place this year.
From my first visit in 2007 I had great experience and moments. Especially the great car jumps in Ouninpohja, Velipohja!!!
Our group of people is coming from Bulgaria in the evening of 30th July and we are going to stay in a hotel close to Jamsa, cottage in Himos.
I will let you know my plan for watching the rally by segments. I will appreciate if you can answer the questions I have. We would like to watch jumps and fast-driving segments as much as we can. I spent many nights in searching in Google maps and other websites, watching clips, so I made the following schedule:
01.08. Shakedown
I chose two jumps one after another, which are situated in a long distance before the finale.
02.08. SS 1 – Can you please advise me a place where we can watch fast racers? In some of the articles on the web I watched an amateur clip with a regular car, but I didn’t see any jumps on that segment. Is that right?
I would be happy if you advice me where to watch SS3, as it is a new one and we are interested in it.
03.08
1. SS4 Urria – the chosen place is a car jump close to Orrati lake.
My question is the following: Can you reach that segment with a car from road Hakamaentie, which is separating from road 23?
Or can I go from road Uriantie east, where it intersects with the segment, but from that point to the car-jump place is around 3 km, isn’t it too far?
2. SS7-10 Palsankyla – the chosen place is the car-jump segment close to Iso Pohjoislampi lake. We can enter to the segment from road Pilkakoskentie.
Or we can enter from Aholantie, where in my opinion is closer to the car jump.
Since there will be too many people and cars, do you, guys, think that we can go from SS4 to SS7 in time? My plan is to watch WRC and S2000 at SS4.
3. SSS – do you think we will manage to reach it after SS10?
04.08.
1. SS 14 Leustu – Jump Novikov, is situated on road Hirvimaentie. Since SS will be on the opposite direction, do you think that there will be a jump on that opposite side?
2. SS Ouninpohja – jump Yellow house !
Maybe there is incorrect information and some mistkaes in all that I mentioned above but after all it is in theory. Probably many of the questions I asked you about would have their answers after I arrive there and buy the schedule (parking lots, how to reach the segments and etc.)
Thank you in advance to all of you for your comments and pieces of advice!

Best regards,
Zdravko

[A.F.F.]

SS14 Leustu. There will be a jump but it's marked red to the notes. Don't expect anyone jump like Novikov did few years back :D

SS Ouninpohja. I strongly suggest to avoid the yellow house jump. There will be about a million spectators there at the jump and in worst case you won't be able to see nothing from there. Remember, the first ones will spend a night there and they won't give up their spot easily. Don't worry though, there are plenty of good... no, great spectating points at Ouninpohja. Just try to get there way before the stage start and find yourself a good one :)

[Co-FIN]

Some rumours of Lappi ;-)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5460/lappid.jpg


Jahas, ensi viikon työkalu saapui pajalle.. (8 = Okay, next weeks tool arrived to shop.. (8

[Francis44]

Some rumours of Lappi ;-)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5460/lappid.jpg


Jahas, ensi viikon työkalu saapui pajalle.. (8 = Okay, next weeks tool arrived to shop.. (8


Interesting. If it happens I hope He takes the most out of it.

[Juha_Koo]

Good practical joke from EP & Printsport... :D

[Co-FIN]

Good practical joke from EP & Printsport... :D

Heh, yeap. I Personally think its Basti´s car.

[HarriK]

Nope, its Mad's car. Just spend there night and washing...

[Hartusvuori]

No Rally Finland for Mikko Pajunen. Shame.

Mikko Pajunen ei ajakaan MM-rallissa | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/uutiset/mikko_pajunen_ei_ajakaan_mm-rallissa/6229687)

[Arska]

D'oh, let's just hope the other rally stars are still there. The entry list is after all so short.

[pantealex]

Ford is already building their House, only 7 big Ford trailers so far in Paviljonki HQ

Al-Rahji is in Laajavuori

Some of paviljonki roads will be closed already this night.

[Maxi]

Part of Chris Atkinson's livery

https://p.twimg.com/AyustHqCUAAxLQn.jpg:large

[Arska]

Hmm, I could visit Paviljonki already tomorrow. Is the area open for public?

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone got a archive of inboards they could post easy? I deleted mine :/

Just started looking around a bit.

Here is this years SS1 Koukunmaa same as ss7 last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFXHqDtf3lY

[Red bull]

FIRST PICS: Chris Atkinson reveals Citroen livery - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/07/27/first-pics-chris-atkinson-reveals-citroen-livery/)

[stefanvv]

FIRST PICS: Chris Atkinson reveals Citroen livery - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/07/27/first-pics-chris-atkinson-reveals-citroen-livery/)

"ATKO 21" - what is 21?

[Tom206wrc]

WOW !!! Many DS3 R3T on entrylist !!! :)

[stefanvv]

It's a number... Put your name (can not contain more than 4 or 5 letters because that would be too difficult) and the number on a "hiphop-cap" and all the little fanboys will walk around with it and be so proud they have a cap... :rolleyes:

Ken Block did it :D

:D Well it's not the answer to meaning of live stuff, it is 42, which is 21 * 2 :confused:

[Salist]

New Ford Fiesta RS livery:
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/thumb/120727/fiesta_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg (http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/120727/fiesta_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

[EightGear]

Can someone please change the topic title?

[stefanvv]

World Rally Championship - News - Features - Wrc.com preview: Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.wrc.com/news/features/wrccom-preview-neste-oil-rally-finland/?fid=17095)

[A FONDO]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205227_428253427212756_541453510_n.jpg

[Brother John]

Can someone please change the topic title?


The topic title is changed now.

[SubaruNorway]

I have found most stages on youtube now but if someone could help me with inboards of these stages i would be very grateful :)
Jukojärvi
Palsankylä
Lankamaa
Mynnilä

I know someone mentioned Mökkiperä was different to before, how?
This guy got lots of inboards with road car.
Finland Onboards VW1.9TD: 2004 SS3, SS9 Mökkiperä 13,96 km NORF: Stage Filmed June 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtIVCZNbqA&feature=plcp)

[Hartusvuori]

Bluuford, any chance for weather predictions? I'm seeing it might get rainy which I really don't hope for. Firstly because of spectator parking (no field parking = long roadside walks), secondly because of comfort.

Apparently a lot of testing going on at the moment. Customer Fords (Block, Rantanen) and Hirvonen at least.

[Hartusvuori]

I don't know Lankamaa too well, but it is for sure traditional stage for the rally and relatively fast too (average over 120 km/h). Most notably for this year the end part is different, thus no "barn bend" which is famous for several high speed offs (Al-Qassimi, Llovera + 1 in 2010, P.Solberg in Focus 2000?).

[HarriK]

S2000 shakedown today in Saarijärvi:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/531741_460735107279012_1052969325_n.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

Small video from SWRC tests...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofj-TWXiJ3Y

[janneppi]

Bluuford, any chance for weather predictions? I'm seeing it might get rainy which I really don't hope for. Firstly because of spectator parking (no field parking = long roadside walks), secondly because of comfort.

I heard mentioned that field parking is already out of the question for most stages because of the rainy summer we've had.

[bluuford]

Bluuford, any chance for weather predictions? I'm seeing it might get rainy which I really don't hope for. Firstly because of spectator parking (no field parking = long roadside walks), secondly because of comfort.

Apparently a lot of testing going on at the moment. Customer Fords (Block, Rantanen) and Hirvonen at least.

Yeah, no good weather. Enjoy Thursday, the other days took raincoat with you. But weather maps are changing very qickly.
Anyyway, today early in the morning you had very rough thuderstorm on the stages.

[vkangas]

Nice gallery from Tahko's and Ketomaa's tests and some service park building etc.
2012 Preview « Sutipro.com (http://www.sutipro.com/?page_id=1259)

[Barreis]

Don't like corporation stuff in the name of the thread. :P

[sollitt]

Presumably they've paid for the naming rights, therefore this is the correct event title.

[Hartusvuori]

It indeed were heavy thunderstorm for a while in this area too (near Ouninpohja start) and I read similar stuff from further north of Central Finland.

Recce started this morning. Let's hope there's no trees fallen across the roads etc. (remember SS Myhinpää 2010) to slow them on a busy day.

[SubaruNorway]

Shakedown is the same as last year apart from it ending just after the junction right after the jumps right? Shame cos the last combination was really good and in the open so everyone could see.
https://vimeo.com/27261984

[Hartusvuori]

Shakedown is the same as last year apart from it ending just after the junction right after the jumps right? Shame cos the last combination was really good and in the open so everyone could see.
https://vimeo.com/27261984


You're right about the end, but the beginning of the stage is different, longer from last year.

[Rallyper]

OK! In a couple of hours we are leaving for NORF. I´m looking forward to this year as well as other years. It will be exciting. Pity the pickems thread isn´t opened. I did my pick anyway which you can read at that topic.

Go Petter! It´s his time now. And Mikko will follow. Loeb? Visiting a ditch a couple of minutes makes him just fifth or sixth...

[SubaruNorway]

You're right about the end, but the beginning of the stage is different, longer from last year.

Can you make out the beginning from this? Junction at the end is by 5:20min
Finland Onboards VW1.9TD: 2009 SS23 Ruuhimäki 6,50 km NORF: Stage road June 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-u9Q-GNg1A&feature=relmfu)

[Rallyper]

Can you make out the beginning from this? Junction at the end is by 5:20min
Finland Onboards VW1.9TD: 2009 SS23 Ruuhimäki 6,50 km NORF: Stage road June 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-u9Q-GNg1A&feature=relmfu)

The start should be at about 1:58-2:00.

Now heading for NORF. See you all!

[dimviii]

The start should be at about 1:58-2:00.

Now heading for NORF. See you all!

Have a nice watch Rallyper!!
a nice photo from today morning before recce
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/spinningbackKick/f1d61cb0.jpg

[James Graham]

How do people rate the chances of Chris Atkinson on this rally?

It appears he is there more for a PR exercise to build his own brand than to go rallying. He only has a few small sponsors decals on the car and he seems to be trying to get close to Ken Block in terms of brand positioning and tie-ins. I hope it works out for him, he was certainly a spectacular driver and maybe there will be room for him in the WRC again when Loeb retires and the competition is opened up a little.

Atkinson's DS3 WRC does look great though, although I'm not sure of the American style of drivers 'claiming' a number as their own as he and Block appear to have done. I remember when Valentino Rossi did the same for Rally GB years ago, the FIA weren't happy to give him number 46. Then again, if it brings well supported, well branded drivers and their money into the WRC it will help revive the sport.

[rallyfiend]

How do people rate the chances of Chris Atkinson on this rally?

It appears he is there more for a PR exercise to build his own brand than to go rallying. He only has a few small sponsors decals on the car and he seems to be trying to get close to Ken Block in terms of brand positioning and tie-ins. I hope it works out for him, he was certainly a spectacular driver and maybe there will be room for him in the WRC again when Loeb retires and the competition is opened up a little.

Atkinson's DS3 WRC does look great though, although I'm not sure of the American style of drivers 'claiming' a number as their own as he and Block appear to have done. I remember when Valentino Rossi did the same for Rally GB years ago, the FIA weren't happy to give him number 46. Then again, if it brings well supported, well branded drivers and their money into the WRC it will help revive the sport.

His brand IS to go rallying. Not sure what you mean.

He's there for exactly the same reason as everyone else - try and make a career out of it and land a seat.

As for the numbers - the FIA were only reluctant to give Rossi 46 because someone else had that number all that season (PWRC, I think?) so fair enough. Make him pay to use it!

[ProRally]

How do people rate the chances of Chris Atkinson on this rally?

It appears he is there more for a PR exercise to build his own brand than to go rallying. He only has a few small sponsors decals on the car and he seems to be trying to get close to Ken Block in terms of brand positioning and tie-ins. I hope it works out for him, he was certainly a spectacular driver and maybe there will be room for him in the WRC again when Loeb retires and the competition is opened up a little.

Atkinson's DS3 WRC does look great though, although I'm not sure of the American style of drivers 'claiming' a number as their own as he and Block appear to have done. I remember when Valentino Rossi did the same for Rally GB years ago, the FIA weren't happy to give him number 46. Then again, if it brings well supported, well branded drivers and their money into the WRC it will help revive the sport.

There is reason behind the 43 of Ken Block, he used to own (until he sold it for huge amount, but still is actively involved) in DC Shoe company. Which numbers are these letters in the alphabet ? ....
Hence he is so proud/keen on this nr.

[Hartusvuori]

First, I'm happy that Atkinson is making appearences in WRC this year. He was not exactly an also-ran in his Subaru years, especially the last two. In his last performance in Finland, he claimed a podium. That doesn't come for nothing. But for now - it's best not to have any high expectations for him because of the break he's been into. If he get the rhythm, I'd say he land somewhere around positions 6-8, but it's just as possible that he'll get DNF. Anyway, he is one of the nicest additions to the entry list - out of the regulars, that is.

By the way, does anyone have any fact that Henning will start? Any sights of him?

[Hartusvuori]

a nice photo from today morning before recce

This photo appears as it've been taken from the walk bridge when arriving the service park. The new hotel that's been built in the middle of the service park is finished now and some (many?) of the drivers are staying there and at least Mikkelsen posted similar photo in his Twitter account. It's clear that the city of Jyväskylä lives for and from the rally.

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone got experience of parking by the big spectator junction in Ouninpohja at the top north? I was thinking about walking for a while down the narrow road where Galli crashed one year at a fast double jump.

[Franky]

Anyone got experience of parking by the big spectator junction in Ouninpohja at the top north?

You mean the Kakaristo junction, I guess. Usually there has been a huge field parking area there. Was there last time in 2003 and then some cars got stuck somehow - stupid driving methods.

[MartijnS]

This photo appears as it've been taken from the walk bridge when arriving the service park. The new hotel that's been built in the middle of the service park is finished now and some (many?) of the drivers are staying there and at least Mikkelsen posted similar photo in his Twitter account. It's clear that the city of Jyväskylä lives for and from the rally.

Neuville made it.

[vkangas]

@SubaruNorway: There are plenty of roads arriving at the Kakaristo-junction, I think there should be enough possibilities to park there. ;)

Leaving to Schiphol (NL) tomorrow to fly to Helsinki... Hoping to have a nice event. Thanks guys (Hartusvuori and Juha_Koo in particular) for the info. :)

Summer has been pretty wet and if it rains a lot this week the fields used for parking may turn out to be too wet. Better to prepare for the worst case that is a walk of few kilometers. 2008 there were 15000 people at kakaristo and now even more is possible. If the weather is goog they are expecting 50-100 000 rally fans to Ouninpohja stage! ;)

Google-kääntäjä (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fyle.fi%2Fuutiset%2Fmarat_pellot_kai paavat_poutaa_ennen_ralliryntaysta%2F6228893&act=url)

[Hartusvuori]

At Ouninpohja start. No sign of Henning... Otherwise it was relaxed feeling among the drivers. Ken Block getting to know Ouninpohja for the first time - first time in Finland for him as well.

[Jeppe]

No sign of Henning neither in Petri´s pics from the Recce day 1.

Rally Finland 2012 - Petri Skog Motorsport Photography (http://www.petriskog.com/Rally/2012/Rally-Finland-2012/24461160_wRZ6wc)

[MJW]

Henning not starting.

[Hartusvuori]

https://p.twimg.com/AzHuvdYCMAADou6.jpg

Esapekka Lappi's recce car :-) Sure it sticks out from all the polished 4WD of the big boys...

Also was interesting to notice how Loeb & Hirvonen arrived to recce start later than pretty much anyone else from top drivers. Loeb was perhaps the last to start the first recce run, meaning he could already see where other drivers have "tried" to cut. They both also stayed concentrated inside their cars, Ogier also, whereas Ford boys and most of the rest of the field were out of the cars having a chat.

Abbring was also doing recce in VW's car. Few other recce-only crews, but didn't recognize them.

[traxx]

Petter Solberg Interview just after the tests :
Interview Petter Solberg Finland 2012 (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2012/07/31/interview-petter-solberg-finland-2012/)

[Petris]

https://p.twimg.com/AzHuvdYCMAADou6.jpg

Esapekka Lappi's recce car :-) Sure it sticks out from all the polished 4WD of the big boys...

Also was interesting to notice how Loeb & Hirvonen arrived to recce start later than pretty much anyone else from top drivers. Loeb was perhaps the last to start the first recce run, meaning he could already see where other drivers have "tried" to cut. They both also stayed concentrated inside their cars, Ogier also, whereas Ford boys and most of the rest of the field were out of the cars having a chat.

Abbring was also doing recce in VW's car. Few other recce-only crews, but didn't recognize them.

E-P's recce car was in upper class if compares few WRC Academy guys recce cars... ;-)
might be funny to knew where they found it... Some car dealer smiling wide somewhere..
Like Ford escort stw, about 1990 with studless winter tire..

Loeb and Mikko was in first ten group yesterday.
It was nice to take "face shots" instead of cars, everyone looks happy, that's great

[danon]

Happy birthday, Mikko! (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/Happy-birthday-Mikko)

[Gregor-y]

This is another reason for me to be a fan of Loeb. He is a few months older than me.

[vkangas]

No sign of Henning neither in Petri´s pics from the Recce day 1.

Rally Finland 2012 - Petri Skog Motorsport Photography (http://www.petriskog.com/Rally/2012/Rally-Finland-2012/24461160_wRZ6wc)
Jari-Matti has quite a nice seat in his recce car! ;)
Rally Finland 2012 - Petri Skog Motorsport Photography (http://www.petriskog.com/Rally/2012/Rally-Finland-2012/24461160_wRZ6wc#!i=1995604355&k=GbCTBSv)

[Mintexmemory]

Opinion from any Finnish guys please - Salo, Pajunen or Lappi to provide the main threat to Paddon?

[stefanvv]

Will there be online streaming for some stages (perhaps power stage)?

[A.F.F.]

Opinion from any Finnish guys please - Salo, Pajunen or Lappi to provide the main threat to Paddon?

Lappi.

[Miika]

Pajunen won´t be starting (not enough money for the S2000 honey?) so it is down to two choices - I´ll bet on Lappi as well.

[Hartusvuori]

Some enthusiastic rally fans here :-) Shortly after we arrived at SS Leustu start during the recce, some locals arrived with tree stump dug out of the ground. It was what was left of the tree that Evgeny Novikov crashed in SS Leustu in 2009 and this is what happened:

WRC - Novikov signs a tree stump that ended his Rally Finland in 2009, SS Leustu - YouTube (http://youtu.be/8AsaM6yed_M)

All of the top drivers I asked said the Visala/Novikov jump is worse ran in the direction they are doing it this year and it shouldn't be a flat out place. Even Novikov agreed.

[6789]

Some enthusiastic rally fans here :-) Shortly after we arrived at SS Leustu start during the recce, some locals arrived with tree stump dug out of the ground. It was what was left of the tree that Evgeny Novikov crashed in SS Leustu in 2009 and this is what happened:

WRC - Novikov signs a tree stump that ended his Rally Finland in 2009, SS Leustu - YouTube (http://youtu.be/8AsaM6yed_M)

All of the top drivers I asked said the Visala/Novikov jump is worse ran in the direction they are doing it this year and it shouldn't be a flat out place. Even Novikov agreed.

Man I love Finnish fans! That's classic!!

[James Graham]

Some enthusiastic rally fans here :-) Shortly after we arrived at SS Leustu start during the recce, some locals arrived with tree stump dug out of the ground. It was what was left of the tree that Evgeny Novikov crashed in SS Leustu in 2009 and this is what happened:

WRC - Novikov signs a tree stump that ended his Rally Finland in 2009, SS Leustu - YouTube (http://youtu.be/8AsaM6yed_M)

All of the top drivers I asked said the Visala/Novikov jump is worse ran in the direction they are doing it this year and it shouldn't be a flat out place. Even Novikov agreed.

Brilliant. Finnish rally fans always seem to be having fun.

[dimviii]

Some enthusiastic rally fans here :-) Shortly after we arrived at SS Leustu start during the recce, some locals arrived with tree stump dug out of the ground. It was what was left of the tree that Evgeny Novikov crashed in SS Leustu in 2009 and this is what happened:

WRC - Novikov signs a tree stump that ended his Rally Finland in 2009, SS Leustu - YouTube (http://youtu.be/8AsaM6yed_M)

All of the top drivers I asked said the Visala/Novikov jump is worse ran in the direction they are doing it this year and it shouldn't be a flat out place. Even Novikov agreed.

ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[dimviii]

what time is the shakedown?

[dimviii]

New Zealand to Finland! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ju2d6i8Oo&feature=g-all-u)

[Jajá]

any place where we can follow the free practice times?

[6789]

Quali starts at 7:30pm Finland time I think

[6789]

Looks like the iRally twitter feed is posing times. Mads was quickest with Loeb and Mikko yet to run

[dimviii]

Quali starts at 7:30pm Finland time I think

Gerard Quin twitter said about 6 o clock.

[AMSS]

Gerard Quin twitter said about 6 o clock.

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2012-08-01T16-05-39253.pdf

[dimviii]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2012-08-01T16-05-39253.pdf

;)

is it raining at shakedown?

[AMSS]

Not at the moment no but it rained on the day earlier! And on/off rain showers are forecasted during the whole weekend!

[dimviii]

Not at the moment no but it rained on the day earlier! And on/off rain showers are forecasted during the whole weekend!

ok mate,keep us informed about shakedown times.

[Hartusvuori]

Also a reminder on the importance of the qualification. Even if there are 3 stages tomorrow, the running order drivers choose applies for Friday as well (Leg 1 is less than 10% of the route, that's why).

Even if the running order doesn't make that big difference in Finland as the differences are small anyway, if it rains more, it could mean more which position you run in.

[Miika]

Neuville visits the ditch in the shakedown stage:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/527413_488394981189456_617749331_n.jpg

[Miika]

Final (?) shakedown times from iRally:


News Image
Sébastien Loeb was fastest in free practice ahead of Qualifying for Rally Finland. The World Champion completed his first run in 2 minutes 18.1 seconds, though he was 1.3 seconds slower on his second.

Here's the fastest times:

Sébastien Loeb 2:18.1
Evgeny Novikov 2:19.1
Mikko Hirvonen 2:19.5
Matti Rantanen 2:19.5
Petter Solberg 2:20.5
Mads Østberg 2:20.6
Jari Ketoma 2:21.2
Jari-Matti Latvala 2:21.4
Ott Tänak 2:21.9
Chris Atkinson 2:22.7
Ken Block 2:22.8
Thierry Neuville 2:23.8
Martin Prokop 2:25.1
Riku Tahko 2:27.3
Armindo Araújo 2:30.2
Sebastian Lindholm 2:34.0
Paulo Nobre 2:36.1

[Jeppe]

Neuville visits the ditch in the shakedown stage:

Finns - Definitely the Fastest Rally Nation ;) ;)

[cali]

Finns - Definitely the Fastest Rally Nation ;) ;)
???
Did you mean France

[dimviii]

???
Did you mean France

he mean about how fast the photo of Neuville from qualifying posted

[EightGear]

And Neuville is not from France.

[cali]

he mean about how fast the photo of Neuville from qualifying posted
Mobile broadband ;)

[MotorCrashed]

somebody have an online broadcast to the race? its about to start.

[rage82]

Why the WRR is not broadcasting live from the qualifying stage?

[Miika]

Local rally radio (not sure if it works outside Finland)
Radio | Radio | Areena | yle.fi (http://t.co/s02DfKix)

[MotorCrashed]

There is no live broadcast to the race?

[Mise]

Mikko 2.18,2

Seb 0,8 faster so 2.17,4

Petter & Novikov 2.18,6

Mads 2.19,5

[MotorCrashed]

Please the race already started can somebody give me a broadcast?

[garais22]

Can somebody show me where can I see SS closing and opening times? Thanks

P.S. Is it possible to see full maps of each SS?

[Mise]

J-m 2.18,0

[Mise]

Please the race already started can somebody give me a broadcast?

google world rally radio

[EightGear]

Please the race already started can somebody give me a broadcast?

Welcome to the WRC, the only major motorsportseries which doesn't know what 'TV' actually means.

The rally starts tommorow by the way. Today there was only the qualifying stage.

[Mise]

Can somebody show me where can I see SS closing and opening times? Thanks

P.S. Is it possible to see full maps of each SS?

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/18/60.937374939146345/25.075381994247437)

[MotorCrashed]

google world rally radio

I thought there is a broadcast on TV, never mind thank you.


Welcome to the WRC, the only major motorsportseries which doesn't know what 'TV' actually means.

The rally starts tommorow by the way. Today there was only the qualifying stage.

So even tommorow wont be a broadcast? what a shame.

[A FONDO]

:D
http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/foto/37087/37119.jpg

http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/foto/37087/37146.jpg

[EightGear]

I thought there is a broadcast on TV, never mind thank you.



So even tommorow wont be a broadcast? what a shame.

No but there will be daily reports on television and you will be able to see them later on Youtube.

[vkangas]

Official 80% english, 20% finnish rally radio (Radio Keski-Suomi).
Keski-Suomi | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/alueet/keski-suomi/)

Click "kuuntele lähetystä" = "listen broadcast". Can someone confirm does it work outside finland or not?

[Jajá]

listening to it from Brazil... but it's 100% finnish!

[vkangas]

listening to it from Brazil... but it's 100% finnish!
Now there's a short news brake. All times etc will be in english and usually also most end of stage interviews.

[Jajá]

Now there's a short news brake. All times etc will be in english and usually also most end of stage interviews.

Still remember some of the numbers from the visit to Finland in 2008, but when they speak fast, I lose myself sometimes... glad that all is around kaksi kaksikymmenta... :)

[rage82]

It' s working for me in Bulgaria ! Thanks for the link

[Mise]

listening to it from Brazil... but it's 100% finnish!

Learning finnish isn't so hard. I learned it when i was 3 years old.

[vkangas]

Shakedown results
1. Sébastien Loeb 2.18,1
2. Jevgeni Novikov 2.19,1
3. Mikko Hirvonen 2.19,5
4. Matti Rantanen 2.19,5
5. Petter Solberg 2.20,5
6. Mads Östberg 2.20,6
7. Jari Ketomaa 2.21,2
8. Jari-Matti Latvala 2.21,4
9. Ott Tänak 2.21,9
10. Chris Atkinson 2.22,7
11. Ken Block 2.22,8
12. Thierry Neuville 2.23,8
13. Martin Prokop 2.25,1
14. Riku Tahko 2.27,3
15. Armindo Araújo 2.30,2
16. Sebastian Lindholm 2.34,0
17. Paulo Nobre 2.36,1

[AMSS]

isn't that the shakedown results..?

[Miika]

My guess is Loeb will select #1 spot and make the rest of the bunch suffer.

[Mise]

Shakedown results
1. Sébastien Loeb 2.18,1
2. Jevgeni Novikov 2.19,1
3. Mikko Hirvonen 2.19,5
4. Matti Rantanen 2.19,5
5. Petter Solberg 2.20,5
6. Mads Östberg 2.20,6
7. Jari Ketomaa 2.21,2
8. Jari-Matti Latvala 2.21,4
9. Ott Tänak 2.21,9
10. Chris Atkinson 2.22,7
11. Ken Block 2.22,8
12. Thierry Neuville 2.23,8
13. Martin Prokop 2.25,1
14. Riku Tahko 2.27,3
15. Armindo Araújo 2.30,2
16. Sebastian Lindholm 2.34,0
17. Paulo Nobre 2.36,1

Edit. too many beers

[vkangas]

I think these are free practise results.
You are right, my mistake.

[Miika]

S2000s at the shakedown start:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/394761_488451687850452_1460923933_n.jpg

[PLuto]

Qualify stage results here - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14160)

[stefanvv]

My guess is Loeb will select #1 spot and make the rest of the bunch suffer.

Judging from QS and supposing it will rain two days, that would be the case.

[Miika]

Apparently they don´t believe in rain, Loeb takes position #10.

And Latvala #11, Hirvonen #12.

[N.O.T]

Go Mikko !!!

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_5786209f36.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_b853c3a28e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_a2db6c7555.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1059/1059_neste_oil_rally_finland_2012_d003c5ee04.jpg

More photos from shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1059)

[jbmarcus21]

Lindholm, Nobre, Araujo ... the first drivers in the road for Thursday & Friday at Rally Finland. Full Start List Programme du Rallye Wrc de Finlande 2012 (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/finlande12.htm)

[A FONDO]

1. Sebastian Lindholm (Ford)
2. Paulo Nobre (Mini)
3. Armindo Araujo (Mini)
4. Ken Block (Ford)
5. Rick Tahko (Mini)
6. Martin Prokop (Ford)
7. Matti Rantanen (Ford)
8. Jari Ketomaa (Ford)
9. Ott Tanak (Ford)
10. Sebastien Loeb (Citroen)
11. Jari-Matti Latvala (Ford)
12. Mikko Hirvonen (Citroen)
13. Petter Solberg (Ford)
14. Evgeny Novikov (Ford)
15. Mads Ostberg (Ford)
16. Thierry Neuville (Citroen)
17. Chris Atkinson (Citroen)

[Juha_Koo]

Nice QS and SD in Ruuhimäki, good jumps at the big jump... Surprise was Nobre, he came flat out and flew really high and long! :up:

Quick bad edit with laptop.
http://juhake.kapsi.fi/motorsport/nobre_ruuhimaki.jpg

Now some sleep and tomorrow the action continues. :)

[danon]

http://bgnrc.info/images/stories/BGDriversChujbina/2012-FIN-Shumen-BG-002.jpg

http://bgnrc.info/images/stories//BGDriversChujbina/2012-FIN-Shumen-BG-001.jpg

[danon]

We have a mission... :bounce:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ju2d6i8Oo&feature=player_embedded

[danon]

Neuville 5 min in the ditch during shakedown - pulled out by spectators ...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/527413_488394981189456_617749331_n.jpg

[danon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOoBjP5AZ7k

[6789]

For Ford its probably a good thing that they didn't win the qs, that way they don't have the opportunity to stuff up the road positions!

Bring on the rally, looking forward to seeing everyone's vids and pics, have an awesome time out there!

[dimviii]

some photos
Rallye de Finlande 2012-21.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/7694524120/in/photostream/)


Shakedown - 2012 WRC Rally Finland - Best-of-RallyLive.com - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITcP6AdYO-w&feature=player_embedded)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXUJ7SKvxcc&feature=player_embedded

[GoVassago]

Anyone seen SD-times for the S2000's? Would be interesting to compare Breen, Mikkelsen, Ogier, Andersson and Paddon. Read a tweet from Craig Breen saying something about him being fast, but no times mentioned.

[ELPE]

Anyone seen SD-times for the S2000's? Would be interesting to compare Breen, Mikkelsen, Ogier, Andersson and Paddon. Read a tweet from Craig Breen saying something about him being fast, but no times mentioned.

I read this on P-G website

PG and Emil has just completed shakedown and was the fastest of the Super 2000 cars running on World Cup points.
- "We adjusted a little bit more now during the shakedown, and it felt really good. So I was pushing the car to the fastest time on the last time around" laughs PG.

[GoVassago]

Thanks, then we know PG was fastest, followed by Breen. Anyone else with more information? ;)

[sollitt]

Thanks, then we know PG was fastest, followed by Breen. Anyone else with more information? ;) We don't know that at all. The comments are not definitive. Neither is the shakedown particularly important as it is not a qualifying stage with the starting order already predetermined.
Realistically you would expect Anderson to be fastest out of the blocks tomorrow but the contest and the result will be thrilling.

[Malozerow]

some photos
Rallye de Finlande 2012-21.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/7694524120/in/photostream/)


Thanks for sharing my pic :)

[GoVassago]

We don't know that at all. The comments are not definitive. Neither is the shakedown particularly important as it is not a qualifying stage with the starting order already predetermined.
Realistically you would expect Anderson to be fastest out of the blocks tomorrow but the contest and the result will be thrilling.

It is not important, I know that, but sometimes it could indicate the pace. PG was obviously pushing max to get the best time, while Ogier probably just had a run to check the settings. And I do not expect PG to be fastest out of the block, Ogier would be my favourite - Paddon may have the pace straight from the get-go as well. I agree the contest will be strong and intense, will be the most entertaining battle this year - I hope!

And I have a fetish for SD-times ;)

[Koppomsbo]

And as ELPE writes, PG was fastest of the guys running for points.. Guess that doesnt mean the VW motorsport guys

[GoVassago]

True, but still interesting to compare the pace, at least from my point of view. Hoping PG will finish and climb up the resultsheets throughout the rally. And if Mikkelsen is on Ogier's pace, he might secure a ride next year, don't you think? Can't wait for this afternoons opener!

[rallye-sport]

First day -> http://www.rallye-sp...e-filande-2012/ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-sport.fr%2Fphotos-rallye-de-filande-2012%2F&h=PAQEC2zDd)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/dsc2413.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/finland_07.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/finlande-2012/finland_03.jpg

[James Graham]

Great shot of the DS3 there. The rear wheel arches look even wider than usual from that angle; super wide-track for Finland!

[dimviii]

Thanks for sharing my pic :)

you are welcome mate! this one is fantastic!

ps waiting for more during rally.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7249/7694499674_526a12656d_c.jpg

[N.O.T]

2 hours to go...

[dimviii]

2 hours to go...

haven t we got same time as Finland? :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

yes stage starts at 16:23...

[dimviii]

yes

start isnt at 17,23?
World Rally Championship - Results - Rally Finland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/neste-oil-rally-finland/itinerary/)

[N.O.T]

ooops you are right i was using the planet marcus times and the bold are for france...

Programme du Rallye Wrc de Finlande 2012

thanx for the heads up. (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/finlande12.htm)

[Roy]

start isnt at 17,23?
World Rally Championship - Results - Rally Finland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/neste-oil-rally-finland/itinerary/)

Current local time in Finland (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=1397)
Same time with Athens, Greece,
+ 1hour wit Amsterdam, Brussels, Berlin, etc
+ 2 with London, lisabon etc.

[dimviii]

nice video from shakedown
Neste Oil Rally Finland 2012 Qualifying/Shakedown Ruuhimäki - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R8LGCNaZw0&feature=player_embedded#!)

Prokop very wide
Martin Prokop big drift at Rally Finland 2012 Shakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhMO7KCr790&feature=player_embedded)

[6789]

^^ That video of Quali is crazy!! A big well done to the uploader. Under 2 hours to go and bring it on

[Xsara Fan]

Photos from service park (yesterday and today) & shakedown (http://www.almrally.ru/novosti-wrc/info/8657/)

[rage82]

I've already have my late afternoon whisky, turn the WRR on and waiting for the start of rally Finland. Have an enjoyable rally to all of you guys!

[N.O.T]

5 minutes to go...

[Mirek]

One hour and five minutes ;)

[dimviii]

lets wish to have a clear rally till the end.

how is the condition of road?