2008 Rally of Turkey - official thread

[Dilek]

Enrty List:

http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/document/entry_list_2008wrc.pdf

Itenary:

http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/d_itinerary.asp

[pantealex]

Where is Deividas Jocius with Xsara WRC ?
Only 16WRC cars, hope to have more in Finland!

[ZequeArgentina]

First surprise: Barry Clark again at the second Munchi´s Car.!!

[dumb]

Where is Deividas Jocius with Xsara WRC ?
Only 16WRC cars, hope to have more in Finland!

Yes.I also want to know where is he. :mad:

[cosmicpanda]

Looking at the Itinerary, I can't see any obvious innovations (significant new stages, etc). I wonder if the university stage will be a success? I recall it giving problems before.

I like the fact that the rally is as long as possible, and in fact is 740 meters over the 360 km limit. Often we see organisers not bothering to try and maximise the distance, which in my opinion just short-changes the fans.

I think Leg One will be the most significant of the rally, as it covers nearly 160 km of distance. Of course this means that the next two legs are much shorter, and the last leg isn't even 70 km, although there are two 30 km stages.

I prefer a Jordan or Monte Carlo style itinerary, but I suppose we can't always have those. Still, this one has good points.

[Roy]

First surprise: Barry Clark again at the second Munchi´s Car.!!

No surprise for me was published before. He will drive also Corsica and Wales in Focus WRCar.

[SchUMine]

I can't wait!

I'm waiting for the Clark's action.

[jonkka]

Tomorrow... :)

[Roy]

This belong on the first page. All info for this rally.

Official site of the rally
http://www.wrcturkey.com

Entry list
http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/document/entry_list_2008wrc.pdf

Rally Radio
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/wrr_pop.jsp

Results:
http://www.wrc.com
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php
http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/

Split Times
http://www.wrc.com

[Viking]

Driver blogs:

PG
http://pgandersson.blogspot.com/

Patrik Sandell
http://patriksandell.blogspot.com/

Eivind Brynildsen
http://www.vgb.no/28412/

Henning Solberg
http://www.vgb.no/6339/

Petter Solberg
http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/in...category/blog/


any more?

[DonJippo]

Any news from SD? :bounce:

[wwbroe]

By the look of things the Fords are ruling the shakedown, with fastest time for Latvalla(3'55"7),Galli (3'57"2) and Hirvonen (3'59"4). Solberg seems to be having problems, very bad time, while Loeb and Atkinson are in the 4'00"7 and 4'00"4. ;)

[bluuford]

Shakedown times can be found here:

http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/document/Shakedown2.pdf

[bluuford]

I just noticed that gardemeister is missing from the times list?

[ARF]

Petter broke something in the front, hence the bad time. TCA or something.

[A.F.F.]

How's the expected weather for the weekend?

[Viking]

How's the expected weather for the weekend?

Hot and sunny :cool:

http://www.meteor.gov.tr/2006/english/eng-cities.aspx?secimNo=8

[Koppomsbo]

I just noticed that gardemeister is missing from the times list?

Someone know something?

[jirka rk]

He has a gearbox problem.

[DonJippo]

He has a gearbox problem.

How about the car? Is that ok?


:s mokin:

[Fischer]

Not much interest for this rally it seems.

[Gard]

How about the car? Is that ok?


:s mokin:

No, lack of stamina

[A.F.F.]

Hot and sunny :cool:

http://www.meteor.gov.tr/2006/english/eng-cities.aspx?secimNo=8

Cheers Viking.

[bluuford]

So.. my friends.. i hope you do write all important news and stuff about the rally here, because tomorrow is very important day for me and I cannot follow the rally. So, hope to read your interesting comments on Saturday morning.

[Roy]

First pic of the rally (shakedown) A lot of dust and rocks. Look at the men who try saved their heads for the stones.

http://www.worldrallypics.com/fotoweb/FWbin/download.dll/File/38A9B03539D16001ABB21A904DF7CEE83A9E2C5C66D8DD1BC3 5562D27967F6F94E5867573BB9D42F26E0A86FDFD12CA69215 08A8AB5A84DDEBC3D7336A82B5699C0DA0E70A4331D116A407 8FF96DC1167B0E59CFF1260FDF32E2DFF572DABF2CEB78C40D B84DDD2C8E14DB7FBB8C5397/12358.jpg

Another new Munchi's Ford livery... for Clark
http://www.worldrallypics.com/fotoweb/FWbin/download.dll/File/0C7A55E9A10D64C8D8E292DF6DD76EECDC2D61D1986BFDEBDF ABC5686326F1FC74543219F37B95A910851DF7CF8F08FF3D7B FFD966322A3AD6760F0C67529B65A94B9E760211DBB515DDCC 7DF3111B4052206633BDEAD2A16D84A6EB7935B312ED47C6DA 99B34B58/12359.jpg

[sp0+]

At least i hope that the Munchi's guys checked the allen screws on the steering wheel, because Vovos - EL EM had some really nasty moments due to this fact here in Greece (that's why they retired....)

[leno]

Let see how good will be subaru boys this weekend.

[Roy]

At least i hope that the Munchi's guys checked the allen screws on the steering wheel, because Vovos - EL EM had some really nasty moments due to this fact here in Greece (that's why they retired....)

Barry build his own rally car:

...I work at M-Sport building these cars anyway – I know my way around a Focus! In fact, when this car retired at the end of day two in Greece (when Aris Vovos was driving it) I spent the next day preparing my own rally car for this event. The cars all have a fairly comprehensive toolkit with them as well.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68198

[wwbroe]

If i am not wrong the SSS should be allready have started. They have a strange order of starting though with first the non seeded cars, then the seeded 1 and 2 cars and after that the seeded 3 cars. It is a little strange, but you can see startlist at official website. :confused:

[John V]

If i am not wrong the SSS should be allready have started. They have a strange order of starting though with first the non seeded cars, then the seeded 1 and 2 cars and after that the seeded 3 cars. It is a little strange, but you can see startlist at official website. :confused:

It's according bulletin nr. 1, first car on stage at 17:00 of CET, DST on

[jonas_mcrae]

nice massive pics roy, thanks

[SubaruNorway]

Rally radio on now if you guys didn't know...

[Koppomsbo]

seems like mikkelsen have the same speed as in italy

[Viking]

seems like mikkelsen have the same speed as in italy

Lets hope it will last a bit longer :)

I am hoping he and Aava could have an "young guns" fight :up:

[Koppomsbo]

Pg a bit off pace isnt he?

And does Mikkelsen have his ordinary co driver with him now?

[Halvis]

Brilliant time for Petter, -1.5 to Latvala!

[Viking]

Pg a bit off pace isnt he?

And does Mikkelsen have his ordinary co driver with him now?

Yes Fløene is back in the codriver seat, they also compited on last saturdays round in Norwegian championship.

[Halvis]

And even faster for Seb, he took it with 0.7 sec!

[pettersolberg29]

Let's hope Petter's shakedown incident doesn't affect his confidence in his ability, and the car.

As a matter of interest - how many people on here support Petter more than any other driver? It seems about half the board love him, the others hate him!

[Viking]

I was hoping for Petters first stage win in the S14, but no, the scruffy looking gymnast had to spoil the fun :devil: :)

[ProRally]

Where are the PWRC competitors... ?

[CEORacingLions]

http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/wrc/or_ssr.asp?ralli_sene=2008&ralliid=47&submit2.x=38&submit2.y=9

[Koppomsbo]

Let's hope Petter's shakedown incident doesn't affect his confidence in his ability, and the car.


what incident?

[COD]

What happened to Andersson and Aava?

[Roy]

What happened to Andersson and Aava?

ANDERSSON P.-G. / ANDERSSON J. "Not good start at all, we had problems with launch control."

AAVA U. / SIKK K. "It is very stupid stage, I remember Wilks destroyed car here three years ago. I drove very carefully."

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=41

[Viking]

Anderson
"Not good start at all, we had problems with launch control."

Aava
"It is very stupid stage, I remember Wilks destroyed car here three years ago. I drove very carefully."

I am also to slow :D

[gloomyDAY]

What happened to Petter's car during shakedown?

[Helstar]

Very good times on the SSS for Baldacci and Campedelli on the Mitsu Evo IX Gr.N ...

First stage is Perge 1 at local 8:38, I wonder if that means 9:38 for Italy ^^ ?

[jonkka]

Mikko 1st on SS2? Where is Seb?

[John V]

Very good times on the SSS for Baldacci and Campedelli on the Mitsu Evo IX Gr.N ...

First stage is Perge 1 at local 8:38, I wonder if that means 9:38 for Italy ^^ ?

Ee, it means 7:38 :) CET DST

[John V]

Mikko 1st on SS2? Where is Seb?
Morning, I think that everything is not correct with splits only.

[jonkka]

Morning John V, I think that too but you know us, always kneejerking when that happens... :eek:

[jonkka]

Ah, there he is

[jonkka]

Interesting entry list, 76 entries but only 60 actually started...?

[jonkka]

Mikko somewhat faster than Atko and also JML loses out on 3rd split...

[jonkka]

And more on 4th

[jonkka]

Mikko 11,1s faster over 22,43km stage, exactly 0,5s/km...

[Raini]

I wonder, where Mikko took a little bit over 10secs on last split?

[jonkka]

Note that it's long split (5 minutes) between 4th and 5th splits...

[John V]

Morning John V, I think that too but you know us, always kneejerking when that happens... :eek:
For me, many times sitting in race control room, so get used to wait bit more. Now we using also GPS system for car tracking on stages and road sections, sometimes it's make you mad ;)

[Raini]

Note that it's long split (5 minutes) between 4th and 5th splits...

I see, that may explain it.

Galli is really fast at the moment.

[John V]

Vai Gigi, sei grande! :)
But we have to wait for Urmo's time as well :)

[jonkka]

Galli is really fast at the moment.

Your countryman seems to be faster still...

[Raini]

Aava is fastest on the third split!

[Raini]

Your countryman seems to be faster still...

Yes, you are right. But let's wait until end of the stage.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Interesting entry list, 76 entries but only 60 actually started...?

I noticed that, too - lots of gaps in the numbers at the tail of the field - didn't send money with the entry form?

[Raini]

But even Gardemeister doesn't have not so bad time at the moment...

[jonkka]

SS3 starts and SS2 is still quite unfinished... grr...

[John V]

Urmo!

[Tom206wrc]

Aava best time at the end of SS2 :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen lost 2 minutes on Loeb on SS3??? :confused:

[jonkka]

Hirvonen lost 2 minutes on Loeb on SS3??? :confused:

Hehee... no...

[Viking]

Good morning! when I said I was hoping for a young guns fight, I did not think they would fight for the lead :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

What happens with the times on SS3 they are anything !!! :mad:

[Raini]

Mikkelsen on the 2nd place overall...this is interesting...

[jonkka]

What happens with the times on SS3 they are anything !!! :mad:

Quite correct times, IMHO.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen on the 2nd place overall...this is interesting...

He for sure don’t seems scared by his early off in Sardinia, all or nothing attack again!

[Tom206wrc]

Now they corrected the times, true :mark:

[Halvis]

Fantastic start for Aava and Mikkelsen, helped by road position, but still! BTW, which Focus does Mikkelsen drive? 07?

Otherwise, dissapointing from the new Subaru, I would have hoped they were faster...

[jonkka]

BTW, which Focus does Mikkelsen drive? 07?

06 according to the entry list

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala is flying :eek:

[Halvis]

06 according to the entry list

Even more impressive!

Latvala going crazy in there, how long will he stay on the road?

[Leon]

latvala too fast

[Viking]

06 according to the entry list


I think it is a 06 car with 07 engine, or something like that :)

[jonkka]

I think it is a 06 car with 07 engine, or something like that :)

You can't mix homologations? :eek:

[jonkka]

Latvala... :eek:

[John V]

You can't mix homologations? :eek:
You can upgrade if you are privateer, we did it with our Focuses WRC (for example 01 upgraded to 02+)

[Tom206wrc]

Aava has a faster(than Hirvonen)first split :)

[bennizw]

His first split is faster than anyone else actually ;)

[Raini]

Latvala... :eek:

Your countryman is crazy... :)

[wwbroe]

Aava has a faster(than Hirvonen)first split :)

Yes Tom, he is even faster then Latvalla, but we will see if Latvalla and Aava will stay on the road at that speed. :D

[jonkka]

Your countryman is crazy... :)

He isn't my countryman, he's from moon! It seems...

[Tom206wrc]

Novikov really fast in PWRC on SS2 :eek:

[Viking]

You can't mix homologations? :eek:

Shhh! :) no I am not sure but it was just something said somewhere, and he is running a privatere spec (not M1,M2 rules) so??

[jonkka]

You can upgrade if you are privateer, we did it with our Focuses WRC (for example 01 upgraded to 02+)

Mixing and upgrading are two different things. You can upgrade 06 Focus to 07 spec but you must do it completely, it has to be 07 spec all around.

[Brother John]

Your countryman is crazy... :)

If he is crazy we need more crazy drivers at the WRC! :s mokin:

[Tom206wrc]

Yes Tom, he is even faster then Latvalla, but we will see if Latvalla and Aava will stay on the road at that speed. :D



I meant Latvala of course :mad: :mark:

[wwbroe]

Aava loosing time compared to Latvalla but still second fastest at split 2. ;)

[jonkka]

Shhh! :) no I am not sure but it was just something said somewhere, and he is running a privatere spec (not M1,M2 rules) so??

Homologation rules are same for everybody, M1/M2 or M/MT have no differences there (except which equipment they may use).

[jonkka]

Mikko was surprisingly slow on this one, just about everyone is faster than him (including Henning).

[Viking]

Even I have to say the Subarus have been sluggish this morning :(

[Tom206wrc]

Wislow is out, or only GPS problem :confused:

[John V]

Mixing and upgrading are two different things. You can upgrade 06 Focus to 07 spec but you must do it completely, it has to be 07 spec all around.

Of course, no way to mix homologations between! No doubts in this case, but maybe he have old bodyshell with new engine, transmissions etc.

[Brother John]

Mikko was surprisingly slow on this one, just about everyone is faster than him (including Henning).

Second driver at the stage is not easy.

[Tom206wrc]

Andersson fastest on split 1 ??? Impossible he can't drive a Suzuki :eek:

[wwbroe]

Very fast opening split of PG Anderson, quickest of all. :eek:

[jonkka]

Second driver at the stage is not easy.

He was 2nd on the road on SS2 too and was way faster then...

[Halvis]

Some Mikkelsen trivia, last night he was awarded "Athlete of the Year" in his school, which is Norways top school for young athletes (16-18 years). I bet this is the first time a motorsport contender wins this, traditionally it has been the winter sports athletes that wins this awards.

[Brother John]

He was 2nd on the road on SS2 too and was way faster then...

I´l hope he has no car problems! :(

[Viking]

Andersson fastest on split 1 ??? Impossible he can't drive a Suzuki :eek:

Must be a steep downhill :D

[Tom206wrc]

Aava's splits stop after the 3rd...GPS(like for Wilslow) ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

GPS for Novikov on SS2 ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Retirement for Aava :eek: ;(

[Raini]

Retirement for Aava :eek: ;(

Where did you hear that?

[Viking]

Mikkelsen looses a lot on ss3 and no time for Aava

[Tom206wrc]

Where did you hear that?



He's not arrived at stage end I just supposed that :mark:

[John V]

Some Mikkelsen trivia, last night he was awarded "Athlete of the Year" in his school, which is Norways top school for young athletes (16-18 years). I bet this is the first time a motorsport contender wins this, traditionally it has been the winter sports athletes that wins this awards.

So another Loeb on way?! :)

[Rally Hokkaido]

Aava lost a rear wheel according to WRR

[Brother John]

So another Loeb on way?! :)

Wait till Sunday! But nice to see some young drivers comming up.http://www.autosportforum.be/images/icons/icon13.png

[Halvis]

So another Loeb on way?! :)

It's early days, I think he has great potensial though.

Some more Mikkelsen trivia, he used to be a alpine skier, actually on the Norwegian Junior Team, but a knee injury forced him to switch to another sport. Seems like he chose right!

[Viking]

Ford M1 team in front of Ford M2 team now!

[Tom206wrc]

Aava lost a rear wheel according to WRR



:mark:

[jonkka]

Ford M1 team in front of Ford M2 team now!

Yesh, it's Ford M1 - Ford M2 - Citroen M1 - 50% of Subaru M1... a team's cup...

[Tom206wrc]

Al Attiyah and Arai on SS3 ???? :confused:

[Brother John]

Great time for Gigi Galli, what will happen after the first service?
Will Loeb be then awake?
Are the roads clean enough to leave behind everyone?
Loeb said themselves before the rally that Latvala is faster than him but that he is more frightened of the regularity of Hirvonen for the championship!

[Tom206wrc]

I'm glad Sandell isn't off pace until now :)

Great time from veteran Uwe Nittel :eek:

Also great time from Eyvind Brynildsen not far from Nittel :)


Arai lost huge time :s

[tmx]

Good to see Gigi doing well here, I guess the road remind of Italy, he was leading the rally in 2005. He had a 10seconds penalty otherwize would be leading as of ss4. But Latvala probably would take the lead soon, but have to see if he can stay there.
Subaru speed is not great.

[Tom206wrc]

Don't count out Loeb as he will rerun the previous stages and though won't have to sweep anymore ;)

[pantealex]

about PWRC:
44 Gabor Mayer did not start, why? Is he sick, like in Greece
54 Travis Pastrana did not start, why? If Travis is not ok, why teams second driver Ken Block is not driving?
Both were in original entrylist.

[Brother John]

Subaru speed is not great.

I had not expected more from Subaru, Greece was more luck than quality. :s mokin: Even in group N the Subaru stand´s nowhere compared to previous years, therefore the new Subaru a top car? I am not convinced so far.

[pantealex]

PWRC
Novikov,Farrah, Al-Attiyah and Aksakov seems to be out of rally for day1, maybe superrally for day2.

[Roy]

Shame Aava is out. Wow he is fast! Also shame for the puncture for Latvala and the dust in the car of Hirvonen. The gap could be bigger without problems.

The new Subaru is even for Atkinson a big problem. He is slower this rallies then he was with the old one.

Wilson is growing in speed. Great to see.

[pettersolberg29]

Could be on for a good rally - nice and tight as about 30 secs separates top 10!

People were asking earlier what problem did Petter have on S'down - he broke some front right damper or suspension or something. Not sure exactly what but it said it on his forum.

[bluuford]

Don't count out Loeb as he will rerun the previous stages and though won't have to sweep anymore ;)

I think that there are quite a lot of sweeping still to come. The entry list is quite long and small two wheel drive cars make a mess on the road. And there are two new stages at the end of leg. I expect Latvala to have at least 30 sek lead by the end of the day.. if.. he keeps it together :-)

[JAM]

The PWRC classification on ewrc.cz results seems not correct. Armindo is with more 3 mins than the others. Why this extra time? Anyone knows?

In other site he is not with these 3 minutes.

[A.F.F.]

Good morning folks :wave:

Hmmm, I haven't seen such an even leaderboard in a long time :eek:

[Wim_Impreza]

Al Attiyah and Arai on SS3 ???? :confused:

All-Attiyah had electrical problems.

[Whinlatter]

eWRC showing Cetinkaya 6 minutes faster than anyone else in SS3.... I know the roads must be better for the later crews, but that's ridiculous! :)

[Tom206wrc]

OK let's go for SS5(SS2 rerun) :bounce:

[jonkka]

Next loop is on!

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvo faster than Loeb on split 1... :mark:

[jonkka]

Mikko and Seb are pretty even...

[jonkka]

Latvala starts easy...

[Tom206wrc]

Unfortuneately it seems Sordo isn't that fast on this stage :mark:

[Brother John]

Latvala starts easy...

+0.8 easy? :eek:

[jonkka]

Faster than Petter anyway

[sp0+]

Barry build his own rally car:

...I work at M-Sport building these cars anyway – I know my way around a Focus! In fact, when this car retired at the end of day two in Greece (when Aris Vovos was driving it) I spent the next day preparing my own rally car for this event. The cars all have a fairly comprehensive toolkit with them as well.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68198


From the fairly comprehensive toolkit that is mentioned, the apropriate allen key was missing in Greece!!!!! Just think of it!!!!

[jonkka]

+0.8 easy? :eek:

Yesh...

[jonkka]

Galli?

[Roy]

No Galli?

[Mr Lopez]

what position on the road is gigi?

[Tom206wrc]

Gigi Galli ??? :confused:

[jonkka]

Should have been between Solbergs...

[Mr Lopez]

Jm fastest - stunning

[Tom206wrc]

what position on the road is gigi?



Normally he's between the Solbergs !!!

[jonkka]

Jm fastest - stunning

But lost towards the end... only 0.9s faster than Mikko

[Mr Lopez]

Normally he's between the Solbergs !!!

thats not good - hopefully tracker problem

[Halvis]

Petter had a really good time between split 4 and 5, from being outpaced, he suddenly gained a few seconds.

[jonkka]

Petter had a really good time between split 4 and 5, from being outpaced, he suddenly gained a few seconds.

It's same for everyone, which indicates that the reference (Loeb's time) is worse than expected. Sordo passed Loeb, even.

[jonkka]

Galli is there! It was just GPS problem!

[Viking]

Galli on top on the result page

[Roy]

Galli is there! It was just GPS problem!

And win the stage...for so far

[N.O.T]

Crazy rally so far......Loeb manages to keep in touch with the top...the ford boys need to up their pace...

Pity for Aava

[Halvis]

I wonder if Mikkelsen have some slight car trouble? Since stage 2 he suddenly loose much time.

[MikeD]

Am I the only one experience tons of fall-outs on WRR?

[Roy]

I wonder if Mikkelsen have some slight car trouble? Since stage 2 he suddenly loose much time.
“The rear dampers broke on SS3 and we had no grip from then on,” said Mikkelsen. “The back of the car was floating around; it was terrible”
Should be make it in Service.


Am I the only one experience tons of fall-outs on WRR?

I have too.

[Halvis]

“The rear dampers broke on SS3 and we had no grip from then on,” said Mikkelsen. “The back of the car was floating around; it was terrible”
Should be make it in Service.



He still loose time, doesn't seem to have fixed it in Service.

[jonkka]

Am I the only one experience tons of fall-outs on WRR?

I am not listening so I don't know...

[N.O.T]

Loeb 16 seconds faster on spit 3 than this morning....

[DonJippo]

And Mikko 18secs faster on split 3 than this morning...

[N.O.T]

Latvala is on a serious charge !!!!

[Viking]

I think some drivers saved tyres on the last stage, but not Galli :D

[MikeD]

Looks like a Latvala win here in Turkey .... except you have that feeling that he's gonna throw it away tomorrow.

[jonkka]

:D

[Roy]

Oh dear... Atkinson +12 :eek: That new Subaru is even worse! Subaru has a big problem. Or could Petter better handle this car comparison the last car and Atkinson?

[jonkka]

JML is in the front...

[N.O.T]

Looks like a Latvala win here in Turkey .... except you have that feeling that he's gonna throw it away tomorrow.

Latvala will have problems creating the racing line tommorow...i wouldn;t crown him a winner yet....especially in a rally like this.

[jonkka]

But interestingly, Mikko kept widening the gap to Loeb all through the stage but in final split it fell from +4,1s to +0,9s?!? :eek:

[kleisj]

Hi all!
Ford teams have the edge as it seems so far. Impressive Galli and Henning sticking close to the top guys. Loeb's pace not so good so far , but ok is still early to judge that.

Aigner and Prokop have their battle in PWRC , no result for the rest of the pack yet. Where is the crazy Bernardo???

Edit: Sorry bad information, Baldacci and Sandel lead as it seems and the two other are following...

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen lost a lot on the last split....about 3 seconds...

The new subaru is a disaster....once more.....

[Tom206wrc]

Oh God !!! Latvala is pushing too much :s

[Roy]

But interestingly, Mikko kept widening the gap to Loeb all through the stage but in final split it fell from +4,1s to +0,9s?!? :eek:

Very strange indeed. Tactics or a mistake/problem.

[Roy]

Latvala loose 1 sec in last sector comparison Loeb. Loeb was fast in last sector.

[Tom206wrc]

Nittel lost his leading place of PWRC in profit of Baldacci, and is under threat of Sandell and Aigner now... ;)

Interesting battle in GrN :)

[Mauri A]

Oh God !!! Latvala is pushing too much :s
Enough, I´d say!

[malscar]

Oh dear... Atkinson +12 :eek: That new Subaru is even worse! Subaru has a big problem. Or could Petter better handle this car comparison the last car and Atkinson?

Looks like this stage does not suit the car. Both are losing more time compared to the others.

[Tomi]

Looks like this stage does not suit the car. Both are losing more time compared to the others.

Lol, funniest post in long time. :)

[Roy]

Looks like this stage does not suit the car. Both are losing more time compared to the others.

Does not suit the car? :s It is a rally car! Com'on

[DonJippo]

Looks like this stage does not suit the car.

It's not just this stage...

[Whinlatter]

Oh dear... Atkinson +12 :eek: That new Subaru is even worse! Subaru has a big problem. Or could Petter better handle this car comparison the last car and Atkinson?
That's too harsh for me. This is still an extended test session - competing in a rough rally like Turkey is bound to identify a few issues that slow them down.

I think Petter's speed is in his head - he'd lost so much confidence in the old car that he wasn't driving it in the most effective way, he was just mad all the time - now he has one good result in the new car and is driving like the old Petter again.

[N.O.T]

Looks like this stage does not suit the car. Both are losing more time compared to the others.

i would say that the car does not suit the sport......

[Tom206wrc]

Wilslow on SS6 ??? :confused:

[jonkka]

Results froze? :eek:

[Roy]

GPS didn't work

[Tom206wrc]

News ??? :confused:

[malscar]

Does not suit the car? :s It is a rally car! Com'on


Some stages suit some cars more, such as tighter stages or more open stages. Or even uphill/downhill. In stages in the last rally both Petter and Atko have matched times with the top 3.

Personally, they should have developed this latest car more before using it in anger. Just embarassing for them and the sport.

[N.O.T]

Loeb finished the last stage of the loop

[N.O.T]

Hirovnen slower by 1.3

[Halvis]

Henning with a puncture? He lost a lot of time towards the end of stage...

[pettersolberg29]

What's happenin'?

No results from SS6 beyond Petter, and none for SS7

EDIT: typical - now they're there!

[Viking]

Try this

http://www.wrcturkey.com/v08/wrc/or_ssr.asp?ralliid=47&stage=5&groups=&ralli_sene=2008&submit.x=31&submit.y=4

[N.O.T]

8 HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "Everything is under control, good, no panic." http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/img/i.gif



LOEB S. / ELENA D. "JML flying, we have bad position today, we are first on the road. I'm doing my best, can't do more. We will see the next."

[MikeD]

puncture for JML - and have lost the lead (15 sec)

[Brother John]

Some stages suit some cars more, such as tighter stages or more open stages. Or even uphill/downhill. In stages in the last rally both Petter and Atko have matched times with the top 3.

Personally, they should have developed this latest car more before using it in anger. Just embarassing for them and the sport.

Subaru went in Greece nevertheless too early on the champagne! :p

[Tom206wrc]

OK now times and splits work ;)

[tmx]

Atkinson retired due to broken suspension, and Dani damaged his too. Jari has puncture and tire wears and lost lead, but he has two spare tires, it's better if the Ford boys employ the same Jordan tactics and not start first tomorrow. If they end the day only a couple seconds in front of Loeb, then Loeb would likely can take the lead easily.

Petter should just cruise carefully to the end of the rally and wait for the rest to have problems.

[pettersolberg29]

Sordo loses 45 secs!

[Tomi]

Some stages suit some cars more, such as tighter stages or more open stages. Or even uphill/downhill. In stages in the last rally both Petter and Atko have matched times with the top 3.

Personally, they should have developed this latest car more before using it in anger. Just embarassing for them and the sport.

What was the problem for them in this stage then?

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo +45s on split 3 SS7 !!! :s

[MikeD]

After SS7

1. Mikko HIRVONEN
2. Jari Matti LATVALA +9.3 +9.3
3. Sebastien LOEB +4.2 + 13.5

... Sordo also in problems. Lost 45 sec.

[Roy]

Sordo in big problems +45 sec

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell really fast two first splits among PWRC(SS6) :bounce:

[pettersolberg29]

Exciting stage then!

[Viking]

Mikkelsen limping in ss6 :(

[Tomi]

Subaru went in Greece nevertheless too early on the champagne! :p

True, sometime its good to see what actually happens in a rally, before start to make early judgement about the car.

[turves]

Sordo broken rear suspension, Latvala puncture

[pettersolberg29]

Lucky that its last stage of the loop otherwise Sordo especially would be in trouble.

[Brother John]

What was the problem for them in this stage then?

They need some Jack :p The Blues is back at the hole team. :s mokin:

[N.O.T]

ATKINSON Ch. / PREVOT S. reported front suspension damage, retired after SS 6

[Tomi]

They need some Jack :p The Blues is back at the hole team. :s mokin:

Looks like it is yes, but the Subaru fans can always wish that the top guys from the front runs in to trouble like in Greece.

[Tom206wrc]

Results frozen again ??? :mad:

[Rallye_106]

Latvala puncture, both right front and right rear tire according to ewrc.

[Camelopard]

ATKINSON Ch. / PREVOT S. reported front suspension damage, retired after SS 6

bugger.........

[Tom206wrc]

Any news of PWRC results on SS6 ??? :confused:

[Viking]

Looks like it is yes, but the Subaru fans can always wish that the top guys from the front runs in to trouble like in Greece.

Looking at it, Petter was the same amount of time behind rally leader after 1,5 h driving in Acropolis, but I don’t like his “something is wrong” so I am going for BJ`s Jack :)

[Tom206wrc]

Alright it works now!!! :D

Stuning time by Sandell in PWRC(now he leads after SS6) :eek:

[malscar]

True, sometime its good to see what actually happens in a rally, before start to make early judgement about the car.


No but it has been close many times, just 1 flat or something simular and it would have won, but this Subaru wont have a chance no matter who drives it.


OK

[jparker]

Does anyone know how many spare tyres are allowed in the car?
Before last loop in Greece Mikko left Service with 2 in the trunk + 1 in the drawer.

[jonkka]

Now it's two spares with mousse banned, but in Acropolis they've had an option to have an extra spare which would explain that 2+1 configuration. Don't know about Turkey.

[Rallye_106]

Does anyone know how many spare tyres are allowed in the car?
Before last loop in Greece Mikko left Service with 2 in the trunk + 1 in the drawer.
Latvala said he has two spares.

[Brother John]

Looking at it, Petter was the same amount of time behind rally leader after 1,5 h driving in Acropolis, but I don’t like his “something is wrong” so I am going for BJ`s Jack :)

Sheers Viking, I will buy an extra bottle to bring with me to Finland. :s mokin:

[Jaanus]

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[Tomi]

Sheers Viking, I will buy an extra bottle to bring with me to Finland. :s mokin:

You better bring more, the roads are very fast, its likely that they dont suite the new Subaru.

[DonJippo]

Now it's two spares with mousse banned, but in Acropolis they've had an option to have an extra spare which would explain that 2+1 configuration. Don't know about Turkey.

No such option in Turkey so maximum two spares.

[Brother John]

You better bring more, the roads are very fast, its likely that they dont suite the new Subaru.

What are you to bring to the fast roads? ;)

[DonJippo]

Sheers Viking, I will buy an extra bottle to bring with me to Finland. :s mokin:

Better make it two, I'm sure goiing to be thirsty :p

[Gard]

You better bring more, the roads are very fast, its likely that they dont suite the new Subaru.

Well... don't gloat to early. According to Atko it is the fast roads that will suit the Subie best and be most competitive

[Tomi]

Well... don't gloat to early. According to Atko it is the fast roads that will suit the Subie best and be most competitive

sounds to me that he is just buying a bit more time.

[Tom206wrc]

Toshi Arai in SS7 ??? :confused:

[Tomi]

What are you to bring to the fast roads? ;)

Better wait and see :)

[DonJippo]

According to Atko it is the fast roads that will suit the Subie best and be most competitive

Did he say why?

[Gard]

sounds to me that he is just buying a bit more time.
:D maybe, but it was on on the fast section he gained most time on his stage win in Greece :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

And frozen results again :mark:

[kleisj]

Looks like it is yes, but the Subaru fans can always wish that the top guys from the front runs in to trouble like in Greece.

It was the right thing to do celebrating their performance in Greece. They needed some morale boosting anyway. It was good to see Peter and the team smiling for a change...

Still is the 2nd outing of a brand new rally car and not the evolution of an existing one so lets be patient, teething problems are something normal anyway at this stage.

[Tomi]

It was the right thing to do celebrating their performance in Greece. They needed some morale boosting anyway. It was good to see Peter and the team smiling for a change...

Still is the 2nd outing of a brand new rally car and not the evolution of an existing one so lets be patient, teething problems are something normal anyway at this stage.

Offcourse it was right to celebrate, the car is just blody slow. What teething problems did Petters car have in Greece or in Turkey sofar?
But its nice to see that their fans has still s much faith in a team that has been bull****ting them for years.

[Roy]

C4 and Focus where fast right out the box. Why would Subaru fans say /believe the subaru is new and is not fast yet? If it is now not fast it is never fast.
No, Subaru is no longer the star in rally. The make nice road cars. But the family cars Focus and C4 are the rally cars, since a couple of years.

[Tom206wrc]

Great !!! Results are frozen on WRC official website but everything is OK on http://www.ewrc-results.com !!! :s

Once again, thanks the Czech, and crap ISC :down:

[pettersolberg29]

Remember the new Subaru is completely different to both drivers as neither of them have ever driven anything other than a 5 door Impreza - the hatchback is very different.

Also the car isn't even finsihed yet - it will be ready by Finland as this is part of the extended testing. Subaru have already said all this.

[White Sauron]

Also the car isn't even finsihed yet - it will be ready by Finland as this is part of the extended testing. Subaru have already said all this.

Well, Australia 2005 was also some kind of extended testing for the new Focus. But if not for some tech problems, both Kresta and Gardi could have finished very high in the points on already its first rally!