WRC mainclass from 2027

[Rallyper]

Respectfully, I don't think this is true. I've looked at several sources and coal only amounts to about 12% of European electricity production, and that number has been steadily dropping.

Also. I am not an expert on this next point, but I suspect diesels are not as clean as you think. Sure maybe during laboratory tests in ideal conditions they can do okay, when the engines are new and properly maintained and driven efficiently (and sometimes when manufacturers cheat on the tests, eg dieselgate). But in real world conditions, when engines are old and/or cold, it's a different story. Where I live, diesels are rare, but when I visit places where diesels are common, the city air literally stinks of diesel fumes.

I have no agenda re: electric cars, I don't own one and I don't particularly want one, but I do feel obliged to try to correct misinformation. Anyone please correct me if I'm the wrong one here.

My source for the 12% is https://www.iea.org/regions/europe/emissions

And Germany for sure themselves are at higher percent.

[Rallyper]

Wow so this forum became boomer posting Facebook? Even if electric production were mainly from coal, which it isn't even remotely, it would be still cleaner.

The efficiency of coal plant + electric car is still much much higher than diesel engine.

You also have to count the full livecircle, from mining to used car...
So only boomers sees things clear then?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A lot of the Renewables percentage is misleading, as there are many times the wind isn't blowing or the sun isnt shining. This is when percentage of fossil fuels jumps hugely and in many cases is imported.

[Kenneth]

You also have to count the full livecircle, from mining to used car...
So only boomers sees things clear then?

Well the metastudies showed the consensus that when you count the full lifecircle, the electric cars become more "cleaner" in about 4 years, which is about a quarter of a lifetime of a car.

So more like boomers ignores clear facts. Unfortunately not just them.

There is nothing wrong in saying you prefer ICE cars because you like them more. The is a lot of wrong in trying to argue ICE cars are better by sharing a many time disproved propaganda shared by oil companies and oil exporting counties. There could have been sustainable fuels for like 50 years already, instead of pushing electric cars now.

[Rallyper]

Well, our discussion on the subject "electric cars - do we like them or not" leads nowhere, so let´s go back to the topic WRC 2027, and sum up some of us are not fooled by the car industry and politics.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Electric cars aren't going to be suitable for proper rallying any time soon. They just dont have the range plus there's the weight of the batteries.

Fans also want the noise of ICE cars and there's the safety aspect. Not unlike on the road where yesterday I saw a pedestrian nearly hit by a Tesla which he never heard coming...