WRC mainclass from 2027

[focus206]

The people doing the sport will decide it's fate not those who only comment. If SxSs and Extreme E buggies come to the fore than so be it, you can play tiddlywinks instead and yearn for yester year.

So be it? You just quietly accept everything? The 2024 point system was disliked by almost every fan (you and very very few others are the "almost"), it was changed for 2025 to an improved version. Obviously the input of drivers and teams played a part in it, I imagine.
But no, I will not just be quiet and accept what it's decided. I'd be ashamed if I did that for my country, and I won't do that for rallying. I can't practically do anything about it, but I value criticism more than I value quiet acceptance. It's not like I'll post in WRC 2027 rallies threads how much I dislike these concepts to spoil it for others, but I'll definitely criticize them when they're on topic.

But every time you mention buggies as a possibility it's a reminder that you're either not understanding the new regs or are hyperventilating on them because you don't like the actual change or evolution. I shudder at the thought of a world without change. Even in rally, 4wd was not found in production cars but they made it happen, turbos weren't widely found but they put them in, sequential gearboxes.... You'd have been there saying "hell no!"

I don't see much difference between these new made up cars and Extreme E protos in these terms. If current Rally1 are 1% as I said, both Extreme E and these new cars are 0%. No related production models, not even loosely. And maybe one day even manufacturers will also decide to enter Extreme E-like protos, or Dacia Sandrider-like stuff. You'll probably like that, but many won't...
Those changes you mentioned are peanuts to me, in comparison to 2027. I didn't say anything negative when the 2011 regs came up, nor the 2017 regs, nor the hybrid and not even when the spaceframes came up, even if I dislike them.

[WRCStan]

So be it? You just quietly accept everything?

No. If I don't like something I don't own or cannot change, I walk, I don't accept it or whinge. You don't have a better, viable idea than this which would count for constructive criticism, that just makes you a crybaby not valuable. The points system was in the power of the championship to change as they owned it. They can't force manufacturers to play their game. That's why alllllllll this is happening. I'm not sure you've understood that.

And maybe one day even manufacturers will also decide to enter Extreme E-like protos, or Dacia Sandrider-like stuff.

Except they don't fit the regs' dimensions or championship philosophy, and they clash with other FIA series', so it'll never happen. They're too big, the wheels are exposed and not in wheel arches, they're built for off-roading and not a road sport. Why keep yammering this because the FIA had to move away from series production manufacturers because those manufacturers don't want to play? It's needless fearmongering.

[PLuto]

Yeah no lmao. Did anyone making Rally2-kit heard anything from Skoda or Suzuki or Dacia legal department?

You will be surprised, but yes, they heard. And they didnt liked it (not all of them of course) and were fighting against it. Thats one of the reasons why this category was killed by FIA...

[Rallyper]

How about collision safety with only spaceframe and no real panels surrounding the bodyshell? Will the G-forces increase when hitting a firm object.

An ordinary bodyshell itself has zones mitigating g-forces, which I don´t really see a spaceframe has...

[focus206]

Except they don't fit the regs' dimensions or championship philosophy, and they clash with other FIA series', so it'll never happen. They're too big, the wheels are exposed and not in wheel arches, they're built for off-roading and not a road sport. Why keep yammering this because the FIA had to move away from series production manufacturers because those manufacturers don't want to play? It's needless fearmongering.

I said Extreme E-LIKE protos and Dacia Sandrider-LIKE stuff, telling me they can't use exactly the Extreme E protos or exactly the Dakar Dacia Sandrider has no meaning. It's obvious what I mean.
If manufacturers don't want to play they can leave and we can scale rallying down to ERC level. I'm not someone who cares for expanding to USA, India and wherever else to have a "true world championship". I don't care if the sport has to become more amateurish, at least it would still be rallying.

In any case, it's obvious that I have different values than you, so I don't know what you want from me. I'd much rather complain than walk, complaining means signaling a problem, without locating the problem there's never any fixing. I imagine all this is happening also because there has been complaints about low entries in the past years - it's just that I think the solution is worse than the problem. Maybe it won't bring anything, but I still did my part.

[WRCStan]

I said Extreme E-LIKE protos and Dacia Sandrider-LIKE stuff, telling me they can't use exactly the Extreme E protos or exactly the Dakar Dacia Sandrider has no meaning. It's obvious what I mean.

No it's not obvious. It makes no sense at all which is why I continued to quiz it.

In any case, it's obvious that I have different values than you, so I don't know what you want from me. I'd much rather complain than walk, complaining means signaling a problem, without locating the problem there's never any fixing. I imagine all this is happening also because there has been complaints about low entries in the past years - it's just that I think the solution is worse than the problem. Maybe it won't bring anything, but I still did my part.

I fully accept you have your position, I just want to understand the reasoning it's based on. With that understanding I can challenge my own position, learn something and maybe offer corrections to any misunderstandings. It's why I enjoy coming here, thanks for engaging.