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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    It's not based on an available road car
    And so what?
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    it's not on sale as a road car
    And so what?
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    and cannot be eligible for rally championships
    It is eligible for WR2C, a rally championship. You said you've seen it there.
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    You can call it a car as a broad term.
    Oh right?

    (All rhetorical)

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    you said it's a 100% a rally, as if a regularity rally and a speed rally are the same discipline.
    Rally is rally; maybe you forget WRC is partly regularity rally in classification; time cards, controls and penalties are part of it. There's different ways to classify competitors in rally. You can have rallies where the prettiest car wins or where whoever takes photos of things along the route wins. You could have a Puma Rally1 in a regularity rally or an Ioniq in a speed rally; they both being road cars... in road rallies. Reminder that the context of ecoRally coming up in conversation was road relevance, or in my terms, 'consumer production car relevance'. No amount of mental gymnastics should be necessary.

    The Alternative Energies Cup had other disciplines back in the day besides the rally 'class' that ecoRally Cup was born from. It was circuit racing and speed trials IIRC and they weren't all contested by the same cars and teams. So no, that does not mean they were all rally cars in AEC.

    There used to be open cars with platforms built in for politicians to speak to crowds at rallies, back in the day in USA at least. Maybe they were called rally cars.

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    No, I won't check the regs.
    Try it, you might learn something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    It looks like the best we can hope for is Toyota WRC27 Cars vs the existing Rally2 Cars.
    Reckon promoter will back a tuner or two to beef up the entrants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    Try it, you might learn something.
    Still going on with your ridiculous arguments? It has already been expressed, in a much clearer way than how you write, that many consider the presence of a valid related road car essential for a rally car. You don't agree? Too bad for you.

    I don't care how many times you isolate words in a sentence and pedantically say that rally raid vehicles are rally cars. Speed rally is not rally raid and is not regularity rally. Different championships, different disciplines, different cars. At this point you're just wasting people's time, especially when you started the whole "fans who want to mantain a level of road relevance in rally cars shoudl go watch Eco Rally Cup instead" conversation, which has nothing to do with this topic and no rally fan would consider that seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    many consider the presence of a valid related road car essential for a rally car. You don't agree? Too bad for you.
    Too bad for everybody if nobody ever disagreed. Also my opinion is that those points are very much related to this thread topic, we didn't get there cordially, but maybe can after some time to reset the tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    Reckon promoter will back a tuner or two to beef up the entrants?
    If there is a promoter . . .
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/new-w...-opens-tender/

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    “The FIA World Rally Championship is at an exciting moment in its history. Millions of fans around the world are following the action, and new, younger audiences are driving its global growth"

    "1.3 billion cumulative tv audience"

    .........ohh then why the promoter is leaving ?ohh..... eeeeeeh..... no, its because.... because.... aaaaaaahnn..... ehhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post

    It looks like the best we can hope for is Toyota WRC27 Cars vs the existing Rally2 Cars.
    i guess m-sport will do a new car, they cannot stay in the market with the decommissioned fiesta...

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    I have my own idea from what I've heard and read, but can anyone give their understanding of why they're NOT just making Rally2 (or Rally2+) Cars the top Class in 2027 ? By this I mean a car based on a road car shell as currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I have my own idea from what I've heard and read, but can anyone give their understanding of why they're NOT just making Rally2 (or Rally2+) Cars the top Class in 2027 ? By this I mean a car based on a road car shell as currently.
    i guess for this "tuners" opening, so they don't need a shell, they can buid it themself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I have my own idea from what I've heard and read, but can anyone give their understanding of why they're NOT just making Rally2 (or Rally2+) Cars the top Class in 2027 ? By this I mean a car based on a road car shell as currently.
    Do you mean for the whole period or just for one year?

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