WRC mainclass from 2027

[JRodrigues]

This looks likes it's going the same way WR2C is atm, and I'm not against that if that's something similar.

[saco0o]

the ex ford europe guy said the new regs are not interesting
https://x.com/WRCgerardquinn/status/1932514123532664950

but again, the reactions are always "yes, wrc is moving away from road cars, thats not what rally should be all about". i dont have twitter, for those who have: go and ask these fellas "which modern relevant road car you want in wrc right now?" - cuz i bet its going to be the same answers i got on facebook: "nah, current road cars are ugly suvs with hybrid engines, i hate those"
so... what do they want? what do 'WE' want? even among the most hardcore fans there isnt a vision. each one of us want something related to our memory or to our visual likes

edit: my best interaction on fb about this so far was someone saying wrc need to use road cars, then I asked 'which car? a suv?' then he said 'yes but down-scaled like the puma', then I said "but you can only re-escale a car if it is a tubeframe', then he told me to 'grow up and stop arguing on the internet'

racing fans are getting hard to understand hehe (myself included, for sure lol)

[saco0o]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-w...or-privateers/
Toyota technical director Tom Fowler

“Look at this really simplistically. Right now, I don’t have a ’27 car. But a Škoda Rally2 car exists and has been driving for more than a decade in different forms. So, when we get to the Safari Rally in 2027, I wouldn’t bet that a car which doesn’t exist today has a better chance of getting to the end faster compared with one which has already done this event and existed for more than a decade – and has the same technical and performance specification"

weird thing for a toyota guy to say but ok lol
good to know some insider guy saying 'wrc27 and r5s will be on the same level', cuz i still had my doubts. thats good. it keeps those thousand of cars still competing for a little longer! (before more and more teams and racers buy/build the wrc27 car)

[Sulland]

345k € for the new car, and then ++ for all you need in addition to make a full season on loose and asphalt.

How much is a new Rally2 and how much is a ++ package for that one?

Do not think 345 000 € opens up for many privateers. Not that easy to get sponsors for a full WRC season these days.

More and more crews goes to ERC where The Rally2s are top dog, and less travel cost compared to WRC.

Maybe a Rally2+ still is the best option long term?

[WRCStan]

Is this question basically just bodyshell v space frame now? What's the description of Rally2 and Rally2+ that will be developed, approved and brought to the stages in 2034?

[skarderud]

Main problem is that the fiesta isn't produced anymore, and the fabia is soon to end without a successor.

No one is interested in suv's in motorsport, and i dont see manufacturers build ice Rally2's out of electric roadcars eighter.

So, if we like it or not, a standard spaceframe is the path.

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[wyler]

345k € for the new car, and then ** for all you need in addition to make a full season on loose and asphalt.

How much is a new Rally2 and how much is a ++ package for that one?

Do not think 345 000 € opens up for many privateers. Not that easy to get sponsors for a full WRC season these days.

More and more crews goes to ERC where The Rally2s are top dog, and less travel cost compared to WRC.

Maybe a Rally2+ still is the best option long term?

i don't see a lot of wrc people going to erc. i see the opposite more, erc to wrc2. (franceschi, koronen, etc)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sadly the spaceframe plus chosen body panels is the only answer. There's just no suitable road cars coming along for a Rally2 or Rally2+ version. The GR Yaris is the last of the kind.

But the €345,000 cost of the 2027 Regs car doesn't work - the factory teams say it's too low to build and run and for the privateers it's still too high.

[skarderud]

Yes, its to expensive, but how is it possible to make it cheaper?

The parts and design is one thing, the construction and development is another part of it.

And, is the future of rallying even suitable for manufacturer teams?

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[saco0o]

2027 is prooobably going to be a lot of R5s competing against a few tubeframe cars probably build by skoda motorsport, gazoo and msport. then with time more of those will be produced to be sold, especially because its a good business opportunity for the brand's motorsport division to make some $$