WRC mainclass from 2027

[Kenneth]

but BRANDs and new CARS from A BRAND is different from a spaceframe tube with generic body pannels / aerokit, no? like... "Sir. what is this car you are driving on the road?" - "Its a Oreca build spaceframe" ...not sure its the same thing haha

So what's a difference between "Oreca built spaceframe" and "M-Sport built spaceframe, but it kinda looks like Ford".

[saco0o]

So what's a difference between "Oreca built spaceframe" and "M-Sport built spaceframe, but it kinda looks like Ford".

yep, u got me.
do they get special permits for public roads? or the fact it "is a ford puma" makes it legal? if its a total generic car, can they have permits that are not mega expensive?

[WRCStan]

yep, u got me.
do they get special permits for public roads? or the fact it "is a ford puma" makes it legal? if its a total generic car, can they have permits that are not mega expensive?

This is a loaded question. The permit itself shouldn't be expensive in the grand scheme of things, perhaps having the staff to do it all would be.

In the UK should be similar to EU, anyone can build a car at home and get it approved for road use but it has to be inspected at a cost to check it meets minimum standards. A manufacturer can produce up to 500* vehicles per year this way but each individual car built must be inspected. I imagine this is what the kind of outfit we're discussing would do

Or, mass-manufacturers can go for type approval, meaning only one gets inspected in theory, and they then make however many identical cars. But really everything about the manufacturing process is inspected, this requires a lot of effort, documentation and a lot tougher standards of safety, emissions this kind of thing.

A spaceframe rally Puma, whoever built it, would be seen as a completely different vehicle to normal production Puma, as it doesn't conform to the type approval standard. It's just shared branding. Kenneth is right, there's no difference between Ford or Oreca spaceframe cars.


*I've read 300 elsewhere from the same Government agency that does it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

We all know the spaceframe Rally1 Cars aren't based on a road car shell. But each one has been made by a Manufacturer (or virtual with Ford/MSport) and are clearly designed to be / resemble a Puma, Yaris or i20.

The issue would be what an Oreca made car would look like and what if any manufacturer car it would resemble ? If no Manufacturer panels are used who would fund it ? And do we want to see anonymous 'coild be anything' vehicles representing the top of rallying ?

[Kenneth]

Iirc the scrapped 27 ruleset said that the Rally1 still has to resemble a road car (no matter if it's hatchback, sedan, suv or even a concept), so that's not really an issue. The difference is that they don't need an approval from manufacturer.

Imo that will open doors for support from local dealer / manufacturer branch. Paddon have enough support from Hyundai NZ to build various cars, that will never be FIA homologated because there is no support from Hyundai. Now that won't matter.

[saco0o]

Iirc the scrapped 27 ruleset said that the Rally1 still has to resemble a road car (no matter if it's hatchback, sedan, suv or even a concept), so that's not really an issue. The difference is that they don't need an approval from manufacturer.

Imo that will open doors for support from local dealer / manufacturer branch. Paddon have enough support from Hyundai NZ to build various cars, that will never be FIA homologated because there is no support from Hyundai. Now that won't matter.

could that work? like, would mitsubishi be ok if i start a wrc team with a eclipsecross, for example? no need to authotize me?
that would be super interesting and it would solve all problems tbf. literally haha
spaceframe, body pannel from ANY car. they can even have something like "it gotta be one of the top 5 most selled cars from the brand over the last 3 years" (OR NOT, so we could have old school cars body pannels with modern engineering ??????)

[WRCStan]

Iirc the scrapped 27 ruleset said that the Rally1 still has to resemble a road car (no matter if it's hatchback, sedan, suv or even a concept), so that's not really an issue. The difference is that they don't need an approval from manufacturer.

Imo that will open doors for support from local dealer / manufacturer branch. Paddon have enough support from Hyundai NZ to build various cars, that will never be FIA homologated because there is no support from Hyundai. Now that won't matter.

If you think that Paddon car will be called a Hyundai then that is absolutely not going to happen without Hyundai entering as a manufacturer. There's no real distinction between HMSG and Hyundai NZ; the make will be Hyundai regardless. There's no free ride for any manufacturers and never will be.

We all know the spaceframe Rally1 Cars aren't based on a road car shell. But each one has been made by a Manufacturer (or virtual with Ford/MSport) and are clearly designed to be / resemble a Puma, Yaris or i20.

The issue would be what an Oreca made car would look like and what if any manufacturer car it would resemble ? If no Manufacturer panels are used who would fund it ? And do we want to see anonymous 'coild be anything' vehicles representing the top of rallying ?

What the rules do allow for is bespoke designs, so an Oreca car will be a bespoke Oreca design and will be funded by the privateer market, likely with Oreca being forced to enter the championship as a manufacturer for the privilege of their cars being eligible for the championship.

Remember the McRae R4 for a bespoke design?

could that work? like, would mitsubishi be ok if i start a wrc team with a eclipsecross, for example? no need to authotize me?
that would be super interesting and it would solve all problems tbf. literally haha
spaceframe, body pannel from ANY car. they can even have something like "it gotta be one of the top 5 most selled cars from the brand over the last 3 years" (OR NOT, so we could have old school cars body pannels with modern engineering ??????)

Adding to the above, you cannot take a brand and apply it to your own products without approval.

[skarderud]

I think a official importer can, with agreement from the manufacturer of course, run a "importerbased" team as i brand. But they dont need the homologation from a manufacturer to do it if its a base spaceframe chassis approved from FIA that is allowed to use between stages.

To be honest, its obvious that no manufacturers (exept Toyota) is interested in WRC these days, so its quite easy: open the rules for other teams or let it die.

I really dont see a manufacturer deny a official importer make a rallycar, they both get exposure without official involvment, they can put some money into the team without complicit theire green politics, they can sell the electric cars and let the people that don't know belive the brand is all green.
It's a win-win-win consept.

Maybe not for FIA that cant have big fees for enter the championship, but i really don't feel sorry for those guys.

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[deephouse]

What about those Lancia's who burned everything down (and almost the whole championship) from WorldRX. I know it's completely different. What car were they based on under "official" delta skin. And how do they get approval from manufacturer or FIA to compete at the top level.

[Kenneth]

What about those Lancia's who burned everything down (and almost the whole championship) from WorldRX. I know it's completely different. What car were they based on under "official" delta skin. And how do they get approval from manufacturer or FIA to compete at the top level.

In RX it's a bit different. You can make a RX car from any chassis that was ever homologated by FIA (I'm not sure right now if it's just Group A or literally anything, but that's not important right now). Doesn't matter what was inside or outside the car, it just need to use homologated chassis.

As Lancia Delta Evo was of course homologated at some point, they could have build a RX car out of it.

Same reason why there is Skoda or Hyundai cars in RX althrough neither of the brands were involved.