Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Morte66]

Is there any adjustment for driver/co-driver weight in WRC? Or does a heavier co-driver weigh you down?

[wyler]

Is there any adjustment for driver/co-driver weight in WRC? Or does a heavier co-driver weigh you down?

there's a fixed weight limit for the car, if you have some margin u can play with that.

[Morte66]

there's a fixed weight limit for the car, if you have some margin u can play with that.

So if the co-driver is lighter, you could put that weight in floor-level ballast to get a lower centre of gravity? That sort of thing?

[wyler]

So if the co-driver is lighter, you could put that weight in floor-level ballast to get a lower centre of gravity? That sort of thing?

technically yes, if u are lighter than the limit u can play with ballast to reach the target weigh. practically, I think they struggle to stay under with the car only.

[Co-driven]

Is there any adjustment for driver/co-driver weight in WRC? Or does a heavier co-driver weigh you down?

No, crew with equipments must have at least 160 kg (if I am not mistaken).

When the car is weighed during an event, usually the FIA takes the measurement withouth the crew (and the minimum weight is the one from the technical regulations) and also with the crew. If the crew's total weight is less than 160 kg, than the car withouth the crew must be heavier.

[becher]

technically yes, if u are lighter than the limit u can play with ballast to reach the target weigh. practically, I think they struggle to stay under with the car only.

On the last point: Toyota was under it from the beginning, Hyundai was struggling or so it was said.

[Steve Boyd]

No, crew with equipments must have at least 160 kg (if I am not mistaken).

When the car is weighed during an event, usually the FIA takes the measurement withouth the crew (and the minimum weight is the one from the technical regulations) and also with the crew. If the crew's total weight is less than 160 kg, than the car withouth the crew must be heavier.

The requirements are in Appendix J Art 262, here https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...2025_final.pdf, which states:

Minimum weight of the car:
The minimum weight is 1180 kg under the checking conditions mentioned below (and with only one spare wheel).
The combined minimum weight of the car (under the checking conditions mentioned below and with only one spare wheel) and crew (driver + co-driver) is 1350 kg.
When two spare wheels are carried in the car, the second spare wheel must be removed before weighing.

Checking conditions
This is the real weight of the car, with neither driver nor co-driver nor their equipment.
The equipment comprising the following :
• Driver’s helmet + head restraining device
• Co-driver’s helmet + head restraining device.
At no time during the competition may a car weigh less than this minimum weight.

In case of a dispute during weighing, the full equipment of the driver and co-driver (see above) must be removed; this includes the helmet, but the headphones external to the helmet may be left in the car.

Ballast
The use of ballast is permitted in the cockpit in the conditions provided for under Art. 252-2.2 .
Ballast and its supports may be fitted in volume Vh (see Article 211).

[ZoomanSP206]

Question for the experts: When was the last time that four world champions were at the start of a WRC event in the top category?

[ictus]

Question for the experts: When was the last time that four world champions were at the start of a WRC event in the top category?

off the top of my head '98 RAC had at least 6 world champions
Before the "Sebs era" you had much more champions

[Corcaíoch]

Question for the experts: When was the last time that four world champions were at the start of a WRC event in the top category?

Australia 2005: Loeb, Solberg, Gronholm and McRae
Maybe some more recent example but can't think of it off the top of my head.