[WRC] 80. Rally Poland 2024

[AndersX]

That's impossible. You can't change car specifications mid-rally. Scrutineering ain't gonna allow it. Plus, I would think Sesks' Puma runs different engine maps to cover up the hybrid boost difference in a way. They aren't gonna re program the ECU or change it. It's a pure fantasy.

Exactly. Sounds like overiptimistic nonsense. But, i think Malcolm is already receiving calls from high-end private teams around the Europe. M-Sport business should boom now. However, we do not know the real difference of the hybrid vs non- on slower rallies, also tarmac. Acceleration difference you could see on SSS start. Every launch is about up to 1 sec, then every 1-3rd gear corner with good grip, another sec or so. In total it should be min a sec/km. Still, Martins has done massive promotion to WRC, M-Sport and R1- cars.

[J4MIE]

Can I clarify this with you? Sure it's about priority rather than national cars (article 12.3)? I don't see anything about priority like this in the rules, and obviously a national car would make a crew non-priority, but a Rally2 or 3 can be non-priority too but well within the list of 12.4 which I consider as 'any car' - ie any FIA car.

12.3.1 Cars homologated or approved by the ASN of the organising country will be permitted to take part in WRC events if stipulated in the supplementary regulations, without eligibility to score Championship points.

I would say:
9.1 CRITERIA FOR PRIORITY DRIVERS

FIRST PRIORITY DRIVERS (P1) Drivers of Rally1 cars complying with the 2024 Appendix J, Art. 262 when

- Entered by a Manufacturer or a WRC Team and nominated to score points or
- Endorsed by the FIA.

So i would say that as he is on the entry list as P1, it must have been agreed with the FIA, who i guess are also curious how the car would perform.

It doesn’t look like there were national cars allowed to enter the rally, so maybe they used the above as a bit of a fudge?

[J4MIE]

Exactly. Sounds like overiptimistic nonsense. But, i think Malcolm is already receiving calls from high-end private teams around the Europe. M-Sport business should boom now. However, we do not know the real difference of the hybrid vs non- on slower rallies, also tarmac. Acceleration difference you could see on SSS start. Every launch is about up to 1 sec, then every 1-3rd gear corner with good grip, another sec or so. In total it should be min a sec/km. Still, Martins has done massive promotion to WRC, M-Sport and R1- cars.

I guess it might depend how much the car costs without the hybrid? Surely still a lot. Even a set of bumpers for a WRC car cost tens of thousands of euros

[saco0o]

But he has shown that hybrids add absolutely nothing but costs. Although everyone who wanted to know that already did. They should get rid of them but retain the name. Those who care don't know the difference anyway.

i cant stop thinking this watching this rally. a rookie running a car without the hybrid with + 100kg of ballast is doing this amazing job. shoot on the foot for the wrc haha the hybrids is literally useless.

[J4MIE]

i cant stop thinking this watching this rally. a rookie running a car without the hybrid with + 100kg of ballast is doing this amazing job. shoot on the foot for the wrc haha the hybrids is literally useless.

I assumed before the first event for them that the battery wouldn’t be used on stages, but would be enough to power them on all road sections. Not just enough for 10km or whatever it is.

[mknight]

The main reason for adding hybrid was because the manus (Ford and Hyundai) demanded it to stay in WRC. More precisely demanded that the cars will be hybrid without caring about the hybrid specs at all.

The main goal of the rule set then done by FIA was to keep the car behavior as similar as without it, to be able to use the same petrol engines and to keep the costs on same level as 2017 cars (looks like the last part failed).

So the hybrid was added as a autonomous automatic unit that the drivers can't directly control, with a small battery and even more importantly strictly limited levels of energy use (limiting the amount of regen as well).
The goal was never to make the car as fast as possible or to make the hybrid radically change the driving.

[Corcaíoch]

Such a shame we didn't get to see Tanak all weekened, could watch his onboards all day!

[bugwrx]

Crazy raw speed from Tanak

[spyros]

Amazing Ott

[jonkka]

When one got nothing to lose, it's easier to go extremely flat out.