WRC main class in 2025

[saco0o]

can at least we agree that we should start demanding hyundai to run a second team with 2 cars, since they were the ones crying about keeping current cars? hehe cuz latvala said removing the hybrids would be a good idea (they even tested, right?) and msport would never refuse a cheaper program, without hybrids...?
so its all on hyundai for me hehe.

i think things could work out if hyundai started a second team, if toyota really had a second team using subaru's bubble on the top of the rollcage, if msport (toyota and hyundai too, why not?) could rent some ('23 old cars?) non-hybrids rally1s and having them allowed to compete and score points. we would all be fine with that. we just need more cars on the top, more drivers, more teams.

[WRCStan]

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[WRCStan]

can at least we agree that we should start demanding hyundai to run a second team with 2 cars, since they were the ones crying about keeping current cars? hehe cuz latvala said removing the hybrids would be a good idea (they even tested, right?) and msport would never refuse a cheaper program, without hybrids...?
so its all on hyundai for me hehe.

i think things could work out if hyundai started a second team, if toyota really had a second team using subaru's bubble on the top of the rollcage, if msport (toyota and hyundai too, why not?) could rent some ('23 old cars?) non-hybrids rally1s and having them allowed to compete and score points. we would all be fine with that. we just need more cars on the top, more drivers, more teams.

M-Sport did refuse the cheaper programs, all three current manus did.

I'm not sold on second teams, an independent entry is needed to make it a meaningful entry else you only have also-rans. Unless the second teams are all non-hybrid and juniors or something like this. Doesn't have to be every round. Maybe fia/promoter can add 1 Rally Stars car per team sponsored by Saudi or something. I don't know, just thought it up.

[saco0o]

well, these are good ideas too. if we are keeping rally1s because the THREE TEAMS asked for that, then we need more of them on the stages! according to ewrc/cars, there are a lot of rally1 cars around. like, more than 20. how will they work together to run at least another 6 of these? with hybrids or without hybrids. juniors is a good idea, star car is a good idea. i'd hope these cars could score driver's points tho, even if they have no hybrids. they will be behind the hybrids cars anyway, so let them score those rally2 points

[WRCStan]

well, these are good ideas too. if we are keeping rally1s because the THREE TEAMS asked for that, then we need more of them on the stages! according to ewrc/cars, there are a lot of rally1 cars around. like, more than 20. how will they work together to run at least another 6 of these? with hybrids or without hybrids. juniors is a good idea, star car is a good idea. i'd hope these cars could score driver's points tho, even if they have no hybrids. they will be behind the hybrids cars anyway, so let them score those rally2 points

Thing is, more cars is a problem made by fans, and as it gets chatted about it's seen like it is a major problem. It's not really. 6 stars and 2/3 up and comers is about right through history. It's an OK number for the FIA/promoter and makes for a nice hour of TV and all this.

I regret saying this now as it doesn't answer the key question, a junior/non-hybrid class is not top-class in the strict sense of the words. Of course they would get driver points, but IMO not WRC2 points (nor manufacturers). It's more of an idea for the Promoter to back its own future and personalities that could enhance the current circus. It's great that they can do some local drivers here and there but if it can't get meaningful traction it lacks purpose.

[saco0o]

Thing is, more cars is a problem made by fans, and as it gets chatted about it's seen like it is a major problem. It's not really. 6 stars and 2/3 up and comers is about right through history. It's an OK number for the FIA/promoter and makes for a nice hour of TV and all this.
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its weird to think about that because normally people just get used with what they have and thats it. for example:
in F1 they have 10 teams. current teams dont even want a big name like Andretti joining the series. i know in F1 having 10 teams instead of 11 means more money for the 10 teams, but its weird that right now F1 fans are kinda ok with only 10 teams while a few years ago, there were fears and talks about "oh, each team may have to bring 3 cars if we have not enough teams competing" (remember that?). but, with time, people stopped worrying. same for those v6 engines. its not loud as the v8, people complained. now most fans dont care anymore. v6s are fine. we tend to get used to stuff so MAYBE we can get used with wrc with just 6 cars + a few fillers, but it should be a little more interesting that what we have right now. we need better stories and rivalry too.
evans is weak and boring, taka is weak, munster is weak, fourmaux is weak, sordo-mikkelsen-lappi are just "fillers", not thaaat interesting.
Kalle/Seb/Ott/Tierry are the good ones.

[saco0o]

anyway. fascinating topic, always cool to chat about rallying as a whole.
but its to move on... to the 2027 wrc rules.

[Tauri_J]

Imagine if Ogier wins this years championship on part time program. What a story. He has already multiple crowns with three different manufacturers over Loeb. That could also help the whole picture and promotion to reach more and more people.

Winning a championship with part time program is not that special. Has happened many times in the past.

[macebig]

That was before 1993, when only 5/6/7 best results counted and teams and not all rounds counted for both manufacturers and drivers titles. After 94, where all rounds count, it has never happened.

[skarderud]

Take a look at the ERC from sweden, its much better in every way than todays WRC.
Sorry to say, FIA has shot themselves in the foot, and limping around blind without a clue how to stop the bleeding.

Cut rally1 hybrid, if the manufacturers don't want that, cut them too, open up the rules who can build a rallycar, the manufacturers building Electric cars anyway, they don't care about motorsport anymore, if the WRC ending up as a professional nonmanufacturer series like Lemans or F1/F2 its fine for me.
If some of the best drivers don't want to keep driving, thats also fine, not motivated drivers don't bring exitement anyway.

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