[WRC] Croatia Rally 2023

[Rallyest]

Neuville SS20 onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upgb6ZIYCEk

Ogier/Tänak onboard SS13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xdxyEncjY

Love videos like this, 8:17 you can see how Ogier gave his advantage away with 1 hairpin, so close still everywhere

[J4MIE]

Glad we have so many legal experts on here that know better than pesky WRC Promotor's legal team.

As a competitor you are not allowed to share any of your own in-car footage you take on social media etc. But you can pay them €1,750 to allow it if you want (might have changed for 2023), but that includes any footage they get of you (if the cameramen hang around that long).

[denkimi]

Glad we have so many legal experts on here that know better than pesky WRC Promotor's legal team.

As a competitor you are not allowed to share any of your own in-car footage you take on social media etc. But you can pay them €1,750 to allow it if you want (might have changed for 2023), but that includes any footage they get of you (if the cameramen hang around that long).

As a competitor you have signed an agreement with the organisor of the rally. You have agreed to give away the rights to your own footage.

As a spectator that's a different story.

[drive]

wrc promoter CAN claim to youtube to take down any video from WRC event if its not approved by them, thanks god they do not use this power.... I have very sad experience with Dakar and ASO.... but wrc promoter sees some advantage from fans videos, for now, so they let them be... hope they wont get greedy and start blocking videos as greedy french Dakar rally organisers.....
anyhow, its not croatia rally issue, it is as it is in this digital world..

[J4MIE]

As a spectator that's a different story.

Spectators agree by attending.

[Kras]

Spectators agree by attending.

Why are you you so stubborn? Spectators ate not attending a stadium, they didn't buy a ticket and are spectating from either public or orivately owned land which isn't leased by the organisers.

In Croatia the promoter has 0 case to claim footage taken in public. If they want to own the footage they should lease all surounding land, build a fence around it and not let anyone in without a ticket. And even then, if someone films it from behind the fence they cant claim they own that footage.

It's like me filming your house from the street. It may be your house, but the footage is mine

[240RS]

Rallying, like City Marathons, present unique problems. One cannot legislate against filming or even spectating because shared common spaces are used even with those not particularly interested in the sport. So the question of spectators "agreeing" by attending does not arise.

Rights holders use a combination of event organizers and sports organisations to curtail ease of filming or broadcasting. However, even they know that they can't sue someone who chooses to film what is happening in open public spaces. The best they can do is intimidate or forcibly remove those who elect to film. Legally, though, they stand no chance of winning any cases.

[AnttiL]

I don't think it's reasonable to continue this discussion since it's clear that WRC Promoter does not ask to take down spectator action videos. They only did it for this fight video which was just bad publicity for the sport.

[J4MIE]

Rallying, like City Marathons, present unique problems. One cannot legislate against filming or even spectating because shared common spaces are used even with those not particularly interested in the sport. So the question of spectators "agreeing" by attending does not arise.

Rights holders use a combination of event organizers and sports organisations to curtail ease of filming or broadcasting. However, even they know that they can't sue someone who chooses to film what is happening in open public spaces. The best they can do is intimidate or forcibly remove those who elect to film. Legally, though, they stand no chance of winning any cases.

Legally though, the promotors own the rights to any footage of their championship. There may be an argument of whether you think that should be the case or not, but not that it is legally possible, public land or otherwise. You could have a similar argument about being allowed to stand in a particular location as its public land, so you shouldn’t need to buy a ticket.

[Kras]

Legally though, the promotors own the rights to any footage of their championship. There may be an argument of whether you think that should be the case or not, but not that it is legally possible, public land or otherwise.

Citation needed? according to which law in Croatia, or any other country where WRC happens??

You could have a similar argument about being allowed to stand in a particular location as its public land, so you shouldn’t need to buy a ticket.

You can stand on any land that is public or private and is not leased by the organizer without a ticket. Just like how you can watch a football match from your balcony if theres a clear line of sight to the field. organizers of any event have every right to try to obstruct the vision of anyone not paying, but they cant force you to look the other way if theres no such obstruction