[WRC] Croatia Rally 2023

[J4MIE]

As a spectator that's a different story.

Spectators agree by attending.

[Kras]

Spectators agree by attending.

Why are you you so stubborn? Spectators ate not attending a stadium, they didn't buy a ticket and are spectating from either public or orivately owned land which isn't leased by the organisers.

In Croatia the promoter has 0 case to claim footage taken in public. If they want to own the footage they should lease all surounding land, build a fence around it and not let anyone in without a ticket. And even then, if someone films it from behind the fence they cant claim they own that footage.

It's like me filming your house from the street. It may be your house, but the footage is mine

[the sniper]

Glad we have so many legal experts on here that know better than pesky WRC Promotor's legal team.

I don't think we know better than them, I just doubt their position would hold up in court universally, but it doesn't hurt them to try, though I imagine it's why they wouldn't try it too often. I think they'd know it's almost inconceivable that anybody would take them all the way to challenging their position in court, so they haven't really got anything to lose. Even if someone paid to go down that road, which nobody would at least on financial grounds, WRC Promoter could easily settle any odd case short of going to court, even likely just by relinquishing their claim on that individual's footage. If the law wasn't open to interpretation, there'd be a lot less lawyers in work...

Spectators agree by attending.

If you take footage of a McDonald's from the road, does McDonald's own that footage and have the right to stop it being distributed, because it features their IP? Particularly if the footage was actually being taken of a fight taking place on public or someone else's private land outside, particularly if being used for non-profit or reporting purposes and the McDonald's just happened to be in the background?

As a competitor you are not allowed to share any of your own in-car footage you take on social media etc. But you can pay them €1,750 to allow it if you want (might have changed for 2023), but that includes any footage they get of you (if the cameramen hang around that long).

Which is clearly entirely different to what was being discussed and I imagine they're well within their rights to hold you to something that you'll have signed by entering the event. Though I imagine they'd do everything possible to settle even that short of court, just in case it doesn't go their way.

It's more about content copyrights. Similarly you could record a song from the radio, which is free for everyone to listen, and put the recording onto youtube, and the artist's label could have it taken down.

I think redistributing a song, it's content having been written, performed, recorded, engineered/produced and distributed by the owner of the IP itself, is a far different case than a piece of self produced original content that happens to feature someone else's IP in a public place, to be fair.

I agree with Antti though that there isn't really much point in arguing about the rights and wrongs of it, as they don't regularly claim footage and they'll never get to court, so we won't get a definitive answer either way.