Driver market Crazy season impending

[airshifter]

Well of course, achievement counts for nothing nowadays. As you say it was luck, not talent. Seven titles just happen to fall in his lap while taking a stroll. If you have achieved anything substantial, you would not say these things. As you would recognize how bloody hard it is to attain one, not to talk of seven. You clearly can not stand his success in the sport. We have been here before.

I don't hear you saying the same for Alonso who is even older.

I've done more than enough substantial stuff in my life to know none of it comes easy, yet I say these things.

I don't dislike any of the drivers really, some of them have had crap personalities or abilities but they are better drivers than the rest of us for the most part. But I simply don't idolize any of them for their accomplishments either. None of them did it in crap cars, and IMHO often the drivers with great track records against the other top drivers in top cars can easily make a bad move and end up with lesser records in a hurry.

If you want to build shrines to drivers go ahead, but don't think I'm going to do the same.

And if you actually paid attention, I mention Alonso right after Lewis. The names mean nothing other than some press coverage if they aren't driving well. Their value to the top teams will have a lot more to do with their driving then it will with press coverage.

[Nitrodaze]

I've done more than enough substantial stuff in my life to know none of it comes easy, yet I say these things.

I don't dislike any of the drivers really, some of them have had crap personalities or abilities but they are better drivers than the rest of us for the most part. But I simply don't idolize any of them for their accomplishments either. None of them did it in crap cars, and IMHO often the drivers with great track records against the other top drivers in top cars can easily make a bad move and end up with lesser records in a hurry.

If you want to build shrines to drivers go ahead, but don't think I'm going to do the same.

And if you actually paid attention, I mention Alonso right after Lewis. The names mean nothing other than some press coverage if they aren't driving well. Their value to the top teams will have a lot more to do with their driving then it will with press coverage.

Recognizing and appreciating talent is not idolizing as you put it. If you are able to properly appreciate talent without reservation, you would see that.

[F1nKS]

Wel, it is well known how you feel about Hamilton so l would say no more to you about the matter.

LOL, you keep threatening to take you ball and run off, but you always come back an insult anybody who has contrarian view against yours. The world would be so much better if we could

properly appreciate talent without reservation

like you can.

[Nitrodaze]

LOL, you keep threatening to take you ball and run off, but you always come back an insult anybody who has contrarian view against yours. The world would be so much better if we could like you can.

Yawn!

[airshifter]

Recognizing and appreciating talent is not idolizing as you put it. If you are able to properly appreciate talent without reservation, you would see that.

Once again, reading comprehension appears to escape your arguments. Having said they are all better drivers than us appreciates their talents. But a fast car isn't a talent, it's luck of the choices they have usually.

[Bagwan]

I don't think anybody here questions whether Hamilton is talented .

[Zico]

I don't think anybody here questions whether Hamilton is talented .

Hamilton is indeed a great driver, even if he did have the best car for the majority of his career, his many great performances over the years speaks for itself.

The GOAT term hasn't been used in the same sentence on here for quite a long time now.. so maybe the penny has finally dropped for one or two of us?

[The Black Knight]

Hamilton is indeed a great driver, even if he did have the best car for the majority of his career, his many great performances over the years speaks for itself.

The GOAT term hasn't been used in the same sentence on here for quite a long time now.. so maybe the penny has finally dropped for one or two of us?

From my POV he has too many off days to be considered the GOAT and I feel he is lacking overall about 0.1-0.2 tenths per lap to the true GOAT's prime pace. Hamilton is not the best of all time that others claim.

[Nitrodaze]

Hamilton is indeed a great driver, even if he did have the best car for the majority of his career, his many great performances over the years speaks for itself.

The GOAT term hasn't been used in the same sentence on here for quite a long time now.. so maybe the penny has finally dropped for one or two of us?

Hamilton's career is not over, so we should not discount him too early. Statistically, he currently is. On pace, it is impossible to really say, especially as Verstappen is laying down some astonishing times at the moment. To be fair, he was in a faster car but not with slow teammates. Even in the fast Mercedes, he still had to beat Rosberg who was super fast and Bottas was not shabby either. Certainly much different to any other multiple-world champion in recent memory, for instance, Verstappen who had it all laid out for him over the last two seasons, with his teammate assisting him at every turn.

[Firstgear]

That's why I place more worth in Hamilton's titles. He probably did have the best car for many years (like most champions). But unlike guys like Max and MS, Lewis is at least willing to battle for the title with his teammate.