Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

**cali** · 1st January 2023, 09:27

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I'm not sure it's much better than the Dirtfish one.....seems a bit of flawed data.

It's much better and adequate.

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**ictus** · 1st January 2023, 10:40

Originally Posted by AnttiL

Remember RAC 1998, had things gone a bit differently,

.... and Makinen would't slide on an oil spill we would still be champion

**cali** · 1st January 2023, 10:50

Originally Posted by ictus

.... and Makinen would't slide on an oil spill we would still be champion

Mäkinen did the mistake, Sainz didn't

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**doubled1978** · 1st January 2023, 12:02

Originally Posted by AnttiL

In my original list Sainz was fourth, and I think he deserves to be ahead of Mäkinen although the title numbers suggest otherwise. Remember RAC 1998, had things gone a bit differently, titles could be 3-3 between the two, and in that case Sainz would be clearly better in terms of other achievements.

I agree, the top 5 is not in dispute really. I suppose you could say that Kankkunen is an odd one because he never won on tarmac, so all his success came from loose surface rallies.

**AnttiL** · 1st January 2023, 12:06

Originally Posted by cali

Mäkinen did the mistake, Sainz didn't

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I would say both suffered bad luck. It's a part of motorsport, as are technical problems.

**AnttiL** · 1st January 2023, 12:10

Originally Posted by doubled1978

I agree, the top 5 is not in dispute really. I suppose you could say that Kankkunen is an odd one because he never won on tarmac, so all his success came from loose surface rallies.

And Sainz never won on snow. And Mäkinen never on mixed surface.

**Managarium** · 2nd January 2023, 07:15

Is there gonna be official launch of the 2023 WRC cars and drivers like it was almost a year ago in Austria?

**jcevc** · 2nd January 2023, 07:51

Originally Posted by Managarium

Is there gonna be official launch of the 2023 WRC cars and drivers like it was almost a year ago in Austria?

No launch like last year in Salzburg, it will be official presentation of rally1 teams in Monte Carlo on wednesday 18.1. - but smaller scale.

**EstWRC** · 2nd January 2023, 08:16

That’s cheap

**Rallyest** · 2nd January 2023, 11:33

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/whats...5OLj72QxkMXvLM

New regulations for this season summed up by dirtfish.

Tire warming zones are interesting, wonder how many rallies will apply it since it is not mandatory.

Also i like the idea of no more extra 4 tires for shakedown, since it will make tire strategy more relevant on some rallies again.